Ford V Series Calculator

[alexics]

I now have a method I can use for hopefully generating a Ford V Series calculator. The process may have to be left to run for some time. I should at least be able to quickly discard invalid combinations. Wish me luck.

[Meat-Head]

Knowing who you are, well done.

For thoses who think this guy is daft for starting this thread, think again.

Not promising, but would it help if members wrote down customers serial numbers and codes?

Unable to press your thanks button more than once!

[elektro128]

good luck

All we are waiting a long time
regards

[bonus2010]

Best O' luck mate.

[Car235]

Good luck mate !

I hope you get a solution ... shortly :champions::congrats:

[alexics]

Knowing who you are, well done.

For thoses who think this guy is daft for starting this thread, think again.

Not promising, but would it help if members wrote down customers serial numbers and codes?

Unable to press your thanks button more than once!

I am past the stage where I need anymore numbers :thrasher:

[alexics]

BTW The Ford techies must have had a good laugh because the starting sequence for the m series was something like 123456. i.e. sequential and so easy when you find it. If the v series has a similar start point and you find it then bingo.

[Dunker]

I did write a 16 bit command line app for users running a certain DOS program that wanted the M calc without having to have windows on their sub 150 meg pentium using this... (not sure if this was the final algo ver but I'm sure it worked):


Ford M serial number algorithm. (Test serial = M763412) & *M000000*

Serial in the form M,n6,n5,n4,n3,n2,n1

Find lookup table number as follows:

r1 := lookup[n1 x 10 + 5] (so if n1 = 2 then r1 = 25th in lookup which is 9) *7*
r2 := lookup[n2 x 10 + 3] (so if n2 = 1 then r2 = 13th in lookup which is 6) *4*
r3 := lookup[n3 x 10 + 8] (so if n3 = 4 then r3 = 48th in lookup which is 7) *1*
r4 := lookup[n4 x 10 + 2] (so if n4 = 3 then r4 = 32nd in lookup which is 4) *3*
r5 := lookup[n5 x 10 + 1] (so if n5 = 6 then r5 = 61st in lookup which is 8) *5*
r6 := lookup[n6 x 10 + 6] (so if n6 = 7 then r6 = 76th in lookup which is 5) *2*
r7 := lookup[n7 x 10 + 9] (n7 is always 0 and 9th in lookup is also 0) *0*

From the lookup table:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

00 9 5 3 4 8 7 2 6 1 0
10 2 1 5 6 9 3 7 0 4 8
20 0 4 7 3 1 9 6 5 8 2
30 5 6 4 1 2 8 0 9 3 7
40 6 3 1 2 0 5 4 8 7 9
50 4 0 8 7 6 1 9 3 2 5
60 7 8 0 5 3 2 1 4 9 6
70 1 9 6 8 7 4 5 2 0 3
80 3 2 9 0 4 6 8 7 5 1
90 8 7 2 9 5 0 3 1 6 4

The result is the 7 digits r1, r2, r3, r4, r5, r6, r7

Four more values res1,res2,res3 and res4 are then derived from the lookup table as follows:

res1 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r6][r2] + 1) + (lookup[r4][r3] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r5] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r4])}

res2 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r5][r4] + 1) + (lookup[r5][r2] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r3] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r6])}

res3 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r4][r2] + 1) + (lookup[r3][r6] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r4] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r5])}

res4 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r6][r3] + 1) + (lookup[r3][r7] + 1) x (lookup[r2][r5] + 1) + (lookup[r4][r1])}

where lsd is the least significant digit of the result.

so if serial = M763412 then r1..r7 = 9, 6, 7, 4, 8, 5, 0
(69th=6 + 1) x (56th=9 + 1) + (47th=8 + 1) x (08th=1 + 1) + (94th=5) = 93 and res1 = lsd'93' = 3
(69th=6 + 1) x (84th=4 + 1) + (86th=8 + 1) x (07th=6 + 1) + (95th=0) = 98 and res2 = lsd'98' = 8
(69th=6 + 1) x (46th=4 + 1) + (75th=4 + 1) x (04th=8 + 1) + (98th=6) = 86 and res3 = lsd'86' = 6
(69th=6 + 1) x (57th=3 + 1) + (70th=1 + 1) x (68th=9 + 1) + (49th=9) = 57 and res4 = lsd'57' = 7

so if serial = M000000 then r1..r7 = 7, 4, 1, 3, 5, 2, 0
(47th=8 + 1) x (24th=1 + 1) + (31st=6 + 1) x (05th=7 + 1) + (73rd=8) = 82 and res1 = lsd'82' = 2
(47th=8 + 1) x (53rd=7 + 1) + (54th=6 + 1) x (01st=5 + 1) + (72nd=6) = 120 and res2 = lsd'120' = 0
(47th=8 + 1) x (34th=2 + 1) + (12th=5 + 1) x (03rd=4 + 1) + (75th=4) = 61 and res3 = lsd'56' = 1
(47th=8 + 1) x (21st=4 + 1) + (10th=2 + 1) x (45th=5 + 1) + (37th=9) = 72 and res4 = lsd'72' = 2

Another four values are derived from the lookup table as follows:

xres1 := (lookup[res1][5] + 1) x (lookup[res2][1] + 1) + 105
xres2 := (lookup[res2][1] + 1) x (lookup[res4][0] + 1) + 102
xres3 := (lookup[res1][5] + 1) x (lookup[res3][8] + 1) + 103
xres4 := (lookup[res3][8] + 1) x (lookup[res4][0] + 1) + 108

so if serial = M763412 then
xres1 := (35th=8 + 1) x (81st=2 + 1) + 105 = 132
xres2 := (81st=2 + 1) x (70th=1 + 1) + 102 = 108
xres3 := (35th=8 + 1) x (68th=9 + 1) + 103 = 193
xres4 := (68th=9 + 1) x (70th=1 + 1) + 108 = 128

code(3) := lsd{xres1(1) + xres1(0) + r1 = 3 + 2 + 9} (=14) = 4
code(2) := lsd{xres2(1) + xres2(0) + r1 = 0 + 8 + 9} (=17) = 7
code(1) := lsd{xres3(1) + xres3(0) + r1 = 9 + 3 + 9} (=21) = 1
code(0) := lsd{xres4(1) + xres4(0) + r1 = 2 + 8 + 9} (=19) = 9

code = 9174

and if serial = M000000 then
xres1 := (25th=9 + 1) x (01st=5 + 1) + 105 = 165
xres2 := (01st=5 + 1) x (20th=0 + 1) + 102 = 108
xres3 := (25th=9 + 1) x (18th=4 + 1) + 103 = 153
xres4 := (18th=4 + 1) x (20th=0 + 1) + 108 = 113

code(3) := lsd{xres1(1) + xres1(0) + r1 = 6 + 5 + 7} (=18) = 8
code(2) := lsd{xres2(1) + xres2(0) + r1 = 0 + 8 + 7} (=15) = 5
code(1) := lsd{xres3(1) + xres3(0) + r1 = 5 + 3 + 7} (=15) = 5
code(0) := lsd{xres4(1) + xres4(0) + r1 = 1 + 3 + 7} (=11) = 1

code = 1558 The old DOS exe is attached if anyone wants it.

[juisro]

I now have a method I can use for hopefully generating a Ford V Series calculator. The process may have to be left to run for some time. I should at least be able to quickly discard invalid combinations. Wish me luck.


Good luck with the project

Regards

[alexics]

I did write a 16 bit command line app for users running a certain DOS program that wanted the M calc without having to have windows on their sub 150 meg pentium using this... (not sure if this was the final algo ver but I'm sure it worked):


Ford M serial number algorithm. (Test serial = M763412) & *M000000*

Serial in the form M,n6,n5,n4,n3,n2,n1

Find lookup table number as follows:

r1 := lookup[n1 x 10 + 5] (so if n1 = 2 then r1 = 25th in lookup which is 9) *7*
r2 := lookup[n2 x 10 + 3] (so if n2 = 1 then r2 = 13th in lookup which is 6) *4*
r3 := lookup[n3 x 10 + 8] (so if n3 = 4 then r3 = 48th in lookup which is 7) *1*
r4 := lookup[n4 x 10 + 2] (so if n4 = 3 then r4 = 32nd in lookup which is 4) *3*
r5 := lookup[n5 x 10 + 1] (so if n5 = 6 then r5 = 61st in lookup which is 8) *5*
r6 := lookup[n6 x 10 + 6] (so if n6 = 7 then r6 = 76th in lookup which is 5) *2*
r7 := lookup[n7 x 10 + 9] (n7 is always 0 and 9th in lookup is also 0) *0*

From the lookup table:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

00 9 5 3 4 8 7 2 6 1 0
10 2 1 5 6 9 3 7 0 4 8
20 0 4 7 3 1 9 6 5 8 2
30 5 6 4 1 2 8 0 9 3 7
40 6 3 1 2 0 5 4 8 7 9
50 4 0 8 7 6 1 9 3 2 5
60 7 8 0 5 3 2 1 4 9 6
70 1 9 6 8 7 4 5 2 0 3
80 3 2 9 0 4 6 8 7 5 1
90 8 7 2 9 5 0 3 1 6 4

The result is the 7 digits r1, r2, r3, r4, r5, r6, r7

Four more values res1,res2,res3 and res4 are then derived from the lookup table as follows:

res1 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r6][r2] + 1) + (lookup[r4][r3] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r5] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r4])}

res2 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r5][r4] + 1) + (lookup[r5][r2] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r3] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r6])}

res3 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r4][r2] + 1) + (lookup[r3][r6] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r4] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r5])}

res4 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r6][r3] + 1) + (lookup[r3][r7] + 1) x (lookup[r2][r5] + 1) + (lookup[r4][r1])}

where lsd is the least significant digit of the result.

so if serial = M763412 then r1..r7 = 9, 6, 7, 4, 8, 5, 0
(69th=6 + 1) x (56th=9 + 1) + (47th=8 + 1) x (08th=1 + 1) + (94th=5) = 93 and res1 = lsd'93' = 3
(69th=6 + 1) x (84th=4 + 1) + (86th=8 + 1) x (07th=6 + 1) + (95th=0) = 98 and res2 = lsd'98' = 8
(69th=6 + 1) x (46th=4 + 1) + (75th=4 + 1) x (04th=8 + 1) + (98th=6) = 86 and res3 = lsd'86' = 6
(69th=6 + 1) x (57th=3 + 1) + (70th=1 + 1) x (68th=9 + 1) + (49th=9) = 57 and res4 = lsd'57' = 7

so if serial = M000000 then r1..r7 = 7, 4, 1, 3, 5, 2, 0
(47th=8 + 1) x (24th=1 + 1) + (31st=6 + 1) x (05th=7 + 1) + (73rd=8) = 82 and res1 = lsd'82' = 2
(47th=8 + 1) x (53rd=7 + 1) + (54th=6 + 1) x (01st=5 + 1) + (72nd=6) = 120 and res2 = lsd'120' = 0
(47th=8 + 1) x (34th=2 + 1) + (12th=5 + 1) x (03rd=4 + 1) + (75th=4) = 61 and res3 = lsd'56' = 1
(47th=8 + 1) x (21st=4 + 1) + (10th=2 + 1) x (45th=5 + 1) + (37th=9) = 72 and res4 = lsd'72' = 2

Another four values are derived from the lookup table as follows:

xres1 := (lookup[res1][5] + 1) x (lookup[res2][1] + 1) + 105
xres2 := (lookup[res2][1] + 1) x (lookup[res4][0] + 1) + 102
xres3 := (lookup[res1][5] + 1) x (lookup[res3][8] + 1) + 103
xres4 := (lookup[res3][8] + 1) x (lookup[res4][0] + 1) + 108

so if serial = M763412 then
xres1 := (35th=8 + 1) x (81st=2 + 1) + 105 = 132
xres2 := (81st=2 + 1) x (70th=1 + 1) + 102 = 108
xres3 := (35th=8 + 1) x (68th=9 + 1) + 103 = 193
xres4 := (68th=9 + 1) x (70th=1 + 1) + 108 = 128

code(3) := lsd{xres1(1) + xres1(0) + r1 = 3 + 2 + 9} (=14) = 4
code(2) := lsd{xres2(1) + xres2(0) + r1 = 0 + 8 + 9} (=17) = 7
code(1) := lsd{xres3(1) + xres3(0) + r1 = 9 + 3 + 9} (=21) = 1
code(0) := lsd{xres4(1) + xres4(0) + r1 = 2 + 8 + 9} (=19) = 9

code = 9174

and if serial = M000000 then
xres1 := (25th=9 + 1) x (01st=5 + 1) + 105 = 165
xres2 := (01st=5 + 1) x (20th=0 + 1) + 102 = 108
xres3 := (25th=9 + 1) x (18th=4 + 1) + 103 = 153
xres4 := (18th=4 + 1) x (20th=0 + 1) + 108 = 113

code(3) := lsd{xres1(1) + xres1(0) + r1 = 6 + 5 + 7} (=18) = 8
code(2) := lsd{xres2(1) + xres2(0) + r1 = 0 + 8 + 7} (=15) = 5
code(1) := lsd{xres3(1) + xres3(0) + r1 = 5 + 3 + 7} (=15) = 5
code(0) := lsd{xres4(1) + xres4(0) + r1 = 1 + 3 + 7} (=11) = 1

code = 1558 The old DOS exe is attached if anyone wants it.

I haven't checked your method but your table is right.:barscarf:

[alexics]

I have 10 test codes with serial numbers. Overnight I had a block that reproduced 7 of the 10. I may have started the sequence after the point I am looking for so I will leave it until tonight to see if I get more hits. If not I will modify the program and restart it.

[benas]

I have 10 test codes with serial numbers. Overnight I had a block that reproduced 7 of the 10. I may have started the sequence after the point I am looking for so I will leave it until tonight to see if I get more hits. If not I will modify the program and restart it.

hi man i work hardly for this domain i have some data base for serie v if you interest contact me privitly

i sure that we have calc serie v
good luck

benas :celticparty:

[digitalspa]

Wow, good luck with this! :)

[alexics]

I have analyzed the m series algo and found some interesting things. Although the serial number is six digits only five are used to actually calculate the final code. These five are derived from the original number. This gives 100000 possible combinations. As there are only 10000 codes from 0000-9999 in theory there should be 10 variants of each code. This is not the case. The top 40 codes account for over 50% of the range and 160 codes will never occur at all using this algo. It is more likely that any m series radio will have one of these top 40 codes. I have attached a file with the statistics for those interested.

The other interesting thing is that the code blocks appear in groups of 10. Analyzing any databases of codes anyone has collected would be of great benefit.

[alexics]

[QUOE=benas;721447]hi man i work hardly for this domain i have some data base for serie v if you interest contact me privitly

i sure that we have calc serie v
good luck

benas :celticparty:[/QUOTE]
I will get back to you shortly.

[alexics]

I am now getting pairs of codes produced from the same algo at regular intervals. It will either just click into place or I will find threes then fours etc.

[Meat-Head]

Sure that makes sense to you, but on behalf of people with IQ of a dead goat.

WHAEYY

[benas]

I am now getting pairs of codes produced from the same algo at regular intervals. It will either just click into place or I will find threes then fours etc.

hi my friend
for comparison

Prefer this data to comparet with the results obtained by the
this is original code in original serial nember

V000001=5954
V013643=9221
v039927=9201
v021320=8915
V042360=6638
V126001=2716
V124168=1850
V240506=0453
V263612=8316
V134838=0796
V521838=3049
v016794=3338
v006701=0163
v001249=0538
v028935=7281
v114635=8550

soooooooooooooooon we have calc serie v
in chaa alaah :barscarf:

[alexics]

The scan has now found one set of three codes and one set of four. I am now looking for 5 in a row. It looks like I am in the right direction.

[benas]

The scan has now found one set of three codes and one set of four. I am now looking for 5 in a row. It looks like I am in the right direction.

Good work dear
If you want to help remember my name
I am under the service
your Friend
benas

[Arsenic003]

The same program with a DOS-like interface with the radios ford:celticparty:
Oh yes if my post was helpful than please don't forget to press THANKS on your right :wink:

[tiguan]

The same program with a DOS-like interface with the radios ford:celticparty:
Oh yes if my post was helpful than please don't forget to press THANKS on your right :wink:

file is not complete, please post again.

Thanks

[Arsenic003]

file is not complete, please post again.

Thanks

Ford M windows repost

Oh yes if my post was helpful than please don't forget to press THANKS on your right :wink:

[alexics]

I have now found the following two codes with the same algo

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

What are the chances of that as a coincidence? If the serial number and code combinations are valid this means there may be a slight alteration that will produce the full set. Though don't get exited yet grasshopper. The road to wisdom sometimes stops at the cliff edge.

[Copax]

Maybe becouse there isn't a specific algo for those codes at all.
Maybe the codes are randomly picked and stored into a database, same as Grundig codes.
Just saying.

[bonus2010]

Well, it was my theory that if Ford wanted to create
randomly assigned code values as per serial number,
that would be very much possible today due to the
improved performance of computers - memory/capacity etc

alexics, has clearly demonstrated that a relationship
between serial number and code must exist when the
SAME algo is used in determining the code from serial,
for two different serial numbers.

alexics has found a key, the hard work now, is to find
the MASTER key that unlocks the codes for all the doors,
for all the serial numbers....

Thanks for the encouragement, best o' luck alexics..

[alexics]

In answer to Copax

I wouldn't say so. Remember the Philips 'database' of codes. I proved that they were calculated too. I don't know why the database existed. Maybe so the algo didn't get out.

A large company will always automate. These companies don't have the time or inclination to suffer mistakes made through error. They want a code generated by machine that can be written to a device automatically and stored efficiently. A database takes up space and can be lost. An algo is small and can be issued to authorized agents. Equipment will almost always be recalled in case of a company failure.

[prusony]

Old Ford - algo(formula)
L Ford - algo
C Ford - algo
M Ford - algo
V Ford - algo ???? yes - ALGO !! because tradition, or face of company...

[Meat-Head]

1) I have now found the following two codes with the same algo

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

What are the chances of that as a coincidence?

2) In answer to Copax

I wouldn't say so. Remember the Philips 'database' of codes. I proved that they were calculated too. I don't know why the database existed. Maybe so the algo didn't get out.

1) You clearly know what you are doing, i don't, so this going to have to be one of them STUPID questions that a scaffolder would ask!

If you 'lay out' on the table the algorythem for the M series and the
V series can you see a 'BIG' difference or a 'small' difference.

Also altough not very helpful to the fat bloke who has just lost his code and about to go on holliday, if your generater is 80% correct on the code
tough shite, the bloke will have to go the stealer. So what

2) Is it possable to upload in this thraed for evaluation purposes?

Thanks Meaty

[alexics]

1) You clearly know what you are doing, i don't, so this going to have to be one of them STUPID questions that a scaffolder would ask!

If you 'lay out' on the table the algorythem for the M series and the
V series can you see a 'BIG' difference or a 'small' difference.

Also altough not very helpful to the fat bloke who has just lost his code and about to go on holliday, if your generater is 80% correct on the code
tough shite, the bloke will have to go the stealer. So what

2) Is it possable to upload in this thraed for evaluation purposes?

Thanks Meaty

1) It will either wok 100% of the time or not at all. That's just the way it is. There are enough differences to the m series.

2) No. Would you?

[alexics]

Now I'm in the weird zone. I was getting.

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

I must have made a mistake in the data because now those two don't return the right codes. BUT V133729 and V170386 should also return code 9481. However V133729 gives 9487 and V170386 gives 9486 where only the last digit is wrong. I will have to go back and check the data. This may be one of those happy accidents.
:party :

[benas]

I have now found the following two codes with the same algo

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

What are the chances of that as a coincidence? If the serial number and code combinations are valid this means there may be a slight alteration that will produce the full set. Though don't get exited yet grasshopper. The road to wisdom sometimes stops at the cliff edge.
hi
The same thing happened to me by my friend
This is when he passed on Radio Philips
http://codedradio.info/pics/RENAULT/22dc481-62.jpg

a pr?code was : tuo228
and
The serial number was : rn942fv9019770

The result is the same code : 1709

The code calculated two programs and two different photo shows that ?

[Car235]

Friend benas

the last time your picture calc is deleted mods !
why do you upload again ?

[Meat-Head]

2) No. Would you?

If i had a copy, would be more than happy to.
Meat-Head-Motors send phillips radio's - rover etc to 'Meat-City Radio Repairs Ltd' ( A company you have dealt with lol)

If you or any other users wish to send me a PM with a rapidshare link for
evaluation purposes, feel free.

Thank
Meaty

[benas]

Friend benas

the last time your picture calc is deleted mods !
why do you upload again ?


i see brother but its for explication only

[Copax]

Now I'm in the weird zone. I was getting.

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

I must have made a mistake in the data because now those two don't return the right codes. BUT V133729 and V170386 should also return code 9481. However V133729 gives 9487 and V170386 gives 9486 where only the last digit is wrong. I will have to go back and check the data. This may be one of those happy accidents.
:party :
It is not necessary your mistake.
Maybe is a well known (and quietly accepted by the car-radio producing companies) ?collateral damage? or ?bug? if you like, made by many of their algorithms.
Maybe M-calc has the same problem, who knows ?
If I am in Canada and another HU owner in Australia and we have the same code but diferent serial numbers... who cares ?
Those two persons will never find that, they will never meet.
Again, i am just saying...

[benas]

Now I'm in the weird zone. I was getting.

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

I must have made a mistake in the data because now those two don't return the right codes. BUT V133729 and V170386 should also return code 9481. However V133729 gives 9487 and V170386 gives 9486 where only the last digit is wrong. I will have to go back and check the data. This may be one of those happy accidents.
:party :

if this caracter is tru
the bad information is code serie v not calculated but found in data base ???????????????

[alexics]

I now have V037737 9481, V043995 9481 and V133729 9481 all using the same algo. Now tell me it's a database of random codes. Notice the repeating digits in these examples, 77, 99 and 33.

[Badbad]

I now have V037737 9481, V043995 9481 and V133729 9481 all using the same algo. Now tell me it's a database of random codes. Notice the repeating digits in these examples, 77, 99 and 33.

oh i see you have better infomation,had help you my Serial a little:thrasher:

[Copax]

I now have V037737 9481, V043995 9481 and V133729 9481 all using the same algo.

It's not using the same algo. It's using YOUR ALGO.
Not necesarry the corect one... Yet.
Don't take it personally.
I hate to repeat it but ... maybe it's really a database of random codes.
There are too many coincidences for a decent algo...

[alexics]

It's not using the same algo. It's using YOUR ALGO.
Not necesarry the corect one... Yet.
Don't take it personally.
I hate to repeat it but ... maybe it's really a database of random codes.
There are too many coincidences for a decent algo...

Skepticism is good. It's up to me to prove it.

[alexics]

There are too many coincidences for a decent algo...

This is wrong actually. The solution is all coincidence. All codes coincide in the same algo.

[siti]

nothing is random,100% algo

in my opinion:smokin:

[martiboy]

Skepticism is good. It's up to me to prove it.

I havent a clue how you work out the algo and wouldnt even like to try but keep up the good work

[alexics]

These are the sets of three codes found so far.

V037737 9481 V043995 9481 V133729 9481

V000001 5954 V037737 9481 V043995 9481

V037737 9481 V043995 9481 V170836 9481

I would like to get all four versions of 9481 from one combination. If that happens all the others should click into place. The program has another month to run so I will know one way or another then.

BTW The program learns as it goes so it has cut the processing time down from thousands of years to weeks.

[carbyvw]

please can I get code for this radio 600cd.
V018619
thanks

[PremierD]

Try ..7931 mate

[alexics]

Try ..7931 mate

???? Erm how did you arrive at that one?

[Rdecode]

Hi,

First of all I wish you good luck in developing ford V serial calculation algorithm.

I have a few questions and hope you will kindly give me answers:





I have analyzed the m series algo and found some interesting things. Although the serial number is six digits only five are used to actually calculate the final code.

Do you think that this really applies to M algo? only 5 digits are used in M algo?







These are the sets of three codes found so far.

V037737 9481 V043995 9481 V133729 9481

V000001 5954 V037737 9481 V043995 9481

V037737 9481 V043995 9481 V170836 9481




here you have indicated that V170836 9481, but in the post below:


Now I'm in the weird zone. I was getting.

V037737 9481
V043995 9481

I must have made a mistake in the data because now those two don't return the right codes. BUT V133729 and V170386 should also return code 9481. However V133729 gives 9487 and V170386 gives 9486 where only the last digit is wrong. I will have to go back and check the data. This may be one of those happy accidents.


it is V170386, I think it is a mechanical mistake, isn't it?

and so which one is correct serial V170386 or V170836 for the code 9481 ?


Are the following serials and codes (also others above) 100% original and come from dealers databases?

V037737 9481
V043995 9481


Thanks

Rdecode

[impactops]

I believe that in order to solve this u need to collect as many of the original codes as u can, so if the people who deal with the V series on a day to day basis requesting codes collaborate with others & post them in a file here the we can start deriving the algo

[alexics]

Hi,

First of all I wish you good luck in developing ford V serial calculation algorithm.

I have a few questions and hope you will kindly give me answers:






Do you think that this really applies to M algo? only 5 digits are used in M algo?









here you have indicated that V170836 9481, but in the post below:



it is V170386, I think it is a mechanical mistake, isn't it?

and so which one is correct serial V170386 or V170836 for the code 9481 ?


Are the following serials and codes (also others above) 100% original and come from dealers databases?

V037737 9481
V043995 9481


Thanks

Rdecode

The five digits remain after the initial processing. All six digits of the serial number are involved in the first stage.

I can't help typos, human error. :banghead:

Codes and serial numbers have been supplied from two sources one with a partial database of v series codes obtained from the Ford database and the other from a friend.

[alexics]

I believe that in order to solve this u need to collect as many of the original codes as u can, so if the people who deal with the V series on a day to day basis requesting codes collaborate with others & post them in a file here the we can start deriving the algo

Get 1 million unique serial numbers and job done. :thrasher:

[impactops]

Get 1 million unique serial numbers and job done

You dont need 1 million, more than one would be good for now

[Meat-Head]

I believe that in order to solve this u need to collect as many of the original codes as u can, o


Here, thought of this thread so saved it for you

V034697
9948

[Badbad]

hey and all my collections
the fat all 100% right,members say thx right code
V001249=0538
V006701=0163
V013643=9221
V016794=3338
V018155=5058
V018619=7931

V021320=8915
V025970=5057
V028935=7281
V034697=9948
V039927=9201
V042360=6638
V042701=9032
V114635=8550
V124168=1850
V126001=2716
V134838=0796
V263612=8316
V240506=0453
V245565=4811
V521838=3049

[carbyvw]

thank you PremierD
IT WORK:the code is ok

[alexics]

Try ..7931 mate

How did you get that code in 11 mins?

[Badbad]

Try ..7931 mate
yes where you have the answer for all problems???
OH MASTER

[bonus2010]

I wouldn't need to ask the question.

As in DK and real life, I'm sure PremierD has helped
many people by freely giving information. I'm
sure PremierD has made many friends as a result of this
who are able to help also with V codes, as with anything else relating to automotive technology.

[Meat-Head]

How did you get that code in 11 mins?

I would bet a wet fish round the face it was acutally

1 Min to get the code
10 Min to remember his DK password to log on to reply.

Well done anyway

[Badbad]

hey my friends at DK i have interest info look down and don?t vergot to say THX we?re together make V-Algo
V000000= 8396 TOP Secret 100 right
V000001=5954
V000002=3870
V000003=2353
V000004=8963
V000005=0901
V000006=0422
V000007=9944
V000008=2560
V000009=6622
V000010=5602
V000011=1266
V000020=5354

[anjomaca]

When Sixpack disappear, PremierD appeared and calculators manouvers in dark. Some people has know-how because has power in charge.

[smirnoff_rules]

I would bet a wet fish round the face it was acutally

1 Min to get the code
10 Min to remember his DK password to log on to reply.

Well done anyway

and his m8 works at the local ford agents

[Meat-Head]

and his m8 works at the local ford agents
Exactly, 1 min to get the code it was then.

IF his mate does work for Ford, could be get Alexis a list of codes he needs to complete the taask in hand lol

[alexics]

and his m8 works at the local ford agents

Yes but it takes longer than that.

[alexics]

Exactly, 1 min to get the code it was then.

IF his mate does work for Ford, could be get Alexis a list of codes he needs to complete the taask in hand lol

Please, no more codes. I don't need them, honestly.

[alexics]

Currently rewriting the software to add new filters. This should speed up the process. I am hoping to find positive results soon.

[dj_meteo]

good luck man

[Meat-Head]

*BUMP* ERR bumped into 'Meat-City Radio Repair Man' the other day, turns out
we both visit the same err umm 'massage parlour' - (Alice is the best) , anyway
he didn't mention the V-Series so one would assume, that your work is 'Top Secret' and only shared within DK, awesome.

Dumb question, but assuming a person could read and write and count, would it in theroey be possable to work out the codes 'by hand'? - sorry thinking of Alice again.

like the Pugot code by serial thread whereever it went.

[Badbad]

V000000=8396 TOP Secret 100% right all Codes
V000001=5954
V000002=3870
V000003=2353
V000004=8963
V000005=0901
V000006=0422
V000007=9944
V000008=2560
V000009=6622
V000010=5602
V000011=1266
V000020=5354

[dasboard3]

hi i need code my radio
v014471

[Copax]

alexics, you may want to take a look here.
http://www.qariya.com/vb/showpost.php?p=425837&postcount=8
Somebody there explains the M series algorithm.
For me it's something too complex, but maybe it helps you somehow.
If you've already seen it, sorry for wasting your time.

[Badbad]

alexics, you may want to take a look here.
http://www.qariya.com/vb/showpost.php?p=425837&postcount=8
Somebody there explains the M series algorithm.
For me it's something too complex, but maybe it helps you somehow.
If you've already seen it, sorry for wasting your time.

hey copax the list of Algo for M-Ford is here by DK look
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f176/ford-v-series-calculator-153206/
and it is not complex,it very easy
lets rock:thrasher:

[bonus2010]

Hey Badbad - you beat me to it...

It's interesting to note, that the M series Algo was posted
here on Digital Kaos - FIRST - three days earlier..

[Badbad]

Hey Badbad - you beat me to it...

It's interesting to note, that the M series Algo was posted
here on Digital Kaos - FIRST - three days earlier..

here the code for M123456

Ford M serial number algorithm. (Test serial = M123456)

6 5 4 3 2 1
Serial in the form M,n6,n5,n4,n3,n2,n1

Find lookup table number as follows:

r1 := lookup[n1= 6x 10 + 5]=65th (so if n1 = 6 then r1 = 65th in lookup which is 2)
r2 := lookup[n2= 5x 10 + 3]=53th (so if n2 = 5 then r2 = 53th in lookup which is 7)
r3 := lookup[n3= 4x 10 + 8]=48th (so if n3 = 4 then r3 = 48th in lookup which is 7)
r4 := lookup[n4= 3x 10 + 2]=32th (so if n4 = 3 then r4 = 32nd in lookup which is 4)
r5 := lookup[n5= 2x 10 + 1]=21th (so if n5 = 2 then r5 = 21st in lookup which is 4)
r6 := lookup[n6= 1x 10 + 6]=26th (so if n6 = 1 then r6 = 16th in lookup which is 7)
r7 := lookup[n7= 0x 10 + 9]= 9th (n7 is always 0 and 9th in lookup is also 0)

From the lookup table:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

00 9 5 3 4 8 7 2 6 1 0
10 2 1 5 6 9 3 7 0 4 8
20 0 4 7 3 1 9 6 5 8 2
30 5 6 4 1 2 8 0 9 3 7
40 6 3 1 2 0 5 4 8 7 9
50 4 0 8 7 6 1 9 3 2 5
60 7 8 0 5 3 2 1 4 9 6
70 1 9 6 8 7 4 5 2 0 3
80 3 2 9 0 4 6 8 7 5 1
90 8 7 2 9 5 0 3 1 6 4
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The result is the 7 digits r1, r2, r3, r4, r5, r6, r7

Four more values res1,res2,res3 and res4 are then derived from the lookup table as follows:

res1 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r6][r2] + 1) + (lookup[r4][r3] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r5] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r4])}
72th 77th 47th 04th 24th it from[rx]

res2 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r5][r4] + 1) + (lookup[r5][r2] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r3] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r6])}
72th 44th 47th 07th 27th it from[rx]

res3 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r4][r2] + 1) + (lookup[r3][r6] + 1) x (lookup[r7][r4] + 1) + (lookup[r1][r5])}
72th 47th 77th 04th 24th it from[rx]

res4 := lsd{(lookup[r2][r1] + 1) x (lookup[r6][r3] + 1) + (lookup[r3][r7] + 1) x (lookup[r2][r5] + 1) + (lookup[r4][r1])}
72th 77th 70th 74th 42th it from[rx]
where lsd is the least significant digit of the result.


R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7
so if serial = M123456 then r1..r7 = 2, 7, 7, 4, 4, 7, 0

res1 = (72th=6 + 1) x (77th=2 + 1) + (47th=8 + 1) x (04th=8 + 1) + (24th=1) = 103 and res1 = lsd'103' = 3
7 3 9 9 1

res2 = (72th=6 + 1) x (44th=0 + 1) + (47th=8 + 1) x (07th=6 + 1) + (27th=5) = 75 and res2 = lsd' 75' = 5
7 1 9 7 5

res3 = (72th=6 + 1) x (47th=8 + 1) + (77th=2 + 1) x (04th=8 + 1) + (24th=1) = 91 and res3 = lsd' 91' = 1
7 9 3 9 1

res4 = (72th=6 + 1) x (77th=2 + 1) + (70th=1 + 1) x (74th=7 + 1) + (42th=1) = 38 and res4 = lsd' 38' = 8
7 3 2 8 1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another four values are derived from the lookup table as follows:

xres1 := (lookup[res1][5] + 1) x (lookup[res2][1] + 1) + 105
xres2 := (lookup[res2][1] + 1) x (lookup[res4][0] + 1) + 102
xres3 := (lookup[res1][5] + 1) x (lookup[res3][8] + 1) + 103
xres4 := (lookup[res3][8] + 1) x (lookup[res4][0] + 1) + 108

so if serial = M123456 then
xres1 := (35th=8 + 1) x (51th=0 + 1)= 9 + 105 = 114
xres2 := (51th=0 + 1) x (80th=3 + 1)= 4 + 102 = 106
xres3 := (35th=8 + 1) x (18th=4 + 1)=45 + 103 = 148
xres4 := (18th=4 + 1) x (80th=3 + 1)=20 + 108 = 128

code(3) := lsd{xres1(1) + xres1(0) + r1 = 1 + 4 + 2} (=07) = 7
code(2) := lsd{xres2(1) + xres2(0) + r1 = 0 + 6 + 2} (=08) = 8
code(1) := lsd{xres3(1) + xres3(0) + r1 = 4 + 8 + 2} (=14) = 4
code(0) := lsd{xres4(1) + xres4(0) + r1 = 2 + 8 + 2} (=12) = 2 code = 2487

[Copax]

Well, I didn't see that post.
As i said, sorry for wasting your time.
By the way, still looks complex to me.
Where that lookup table came from ?

[bonus2010]

Well, I didn't see that post.
As i said, sorry for wasting your time.


You've not wasted anybody's time. I for one appreciate your
efforts very much..

Hey, just hope someone can make use of the M series algo
to invent the V series. I've tried but not been very
successful.

Cheers.

[Badbad]

Well, I didn't see that post.
As i said, sorry for wasting your time.
By the way, still looks complex to me.
Where that lookup table came from ?

this it from Ford Algo,this is original from Forddealer-Visteon,i don?t no where it comes????

[Badbad]

You've not wasted anybody's time. I for one appreciate your
efforts very much..

Hey, just hope someone can make use of the M series algo
to invent the V series. I've tried but not been very
successful.

Cheers.
yes i?tried it too,to make V-Code but it comes the same shit out!!!Damm
who can, than Alexics,it?s a genie in my eye?s

[Meat-Head]

You've not wasted anybody's time. I for one appreciate your
efforts very much..

Hey, just hope someone can make use of the M series algo
to invent the V series. I've tried but not been very
successful.

Cheers.


1) Second first bit, at least you tried to help

2) Would love to help, but sorry can't read or write

[alexics]

Computer froze and I lost a whole days worth of data. The file I was using to mark the point I was up to was corrupted so I'll have to try to retrieve that. It does record date and time so I'm hoping I can start it not too far from where it went off.

[bonus2010]

Computer froze and I lost a whole days worth of data. The file I was using to mark the point I was up to was corrupted so I'll have to try to retrieve that. It does record date and time so I'm hoping I can start it not too far from where it went off.

Hope you manage to resolve this...
Had my computer analysing data, went on for 4 days. Ended up with three
V code pairs with the same algo, could have more, still to re-start it up again
with a different program method.

It's made me re-assess, one million combinations, has bound to have duplicates when
outputing to four digits...

[racin-snake]

good on ya mate for spending the time and your brain on this
i havnt as yet cane across ant v series sets
but i wish you all the best mate

hope ya get there ...:beer:good luck

[Meat-Head]

Computer froze and I lost a whole days worth of data. .

Shitter.

Sorry going to be vague, but bet you have already, sure there is
a programme that 'auto backs up' every 10 mins.

*THINK* a 'ethernet hard drive' is the thing.

Try posting in the pc help section.

Sorry no more use

[Meat-Head]

Hi guys, seem to have lost the relevnt thread, so will just spam this one instead!

Can anybody supply code for V056431 Please.
Non paying job, dumbass brothering law. I did check the code was in the glovebox first but wrong one!

Bonus side is 'one day' in next couple of weeks i get the whole radio - cool can bugger it up - awesome

Thanks guys

[carradio2001]

Who is interested in finding algo, I have a tabel of 100 good codes. Send me a pm with your e-mail address.

Carradio2001.
(Owner of CalcGEN Made by I.S.A)

[soukehal]

Ford 6000 CD serial "V" if anyone can help me with Ford 6000CD single CD-KW2000part no.6S61-18C815-AH Ford 6000 CD Audio systemPart n? 6S61-18C 815 -AJserial n? FDB200 7 V299999 15/ 11/2007model single CD KW2000 thanks!

[mo_ferwana]

Hi Alexics
How can I got these database
I have V031203
can I got the code or the database
Regards

[andersonmaxi]

ur code is 0021 or 0621

[mo_ferwana]

Hi
mo_ferwana@yahoo.com
Thanks

Who is interested in finding algo, I have a tabel of 100 good codes. Send me a pm with your e-mail address.

Carradio2001.
(Owner of CalcGEN Made by I.S.A)

[carradio2001]

Something interesting:

V000010 5602
V000011 1266
V000100 6931
V000101 6050
V000111 4426
V001000 0234
V001100 6004
V001111 1420
V010000 8915
V011111 9089
V100000 5958
V111111 0750
V123456 3067
V200000 5925
V222222 6081
V300000 2628
V333333 1082
V400000 0938
V444444 4870
V500000 5714
V555555 4943
V600000 6962
V666666 6740
V700000 5947
V777777 9620
V800000 9392
V888888 5092
V900000 4847
V999999 4174

Well ? Good luck !

Hey guys, nobody not will tell you this algo !
Only will see how appear some calculators V series on money !

Carradio2001.
(Owner of CalcGEN Made by I.S.A)

[impactops]

Only will see how appear some calculators V series on money !


The others prior to this were in the same boat, initially being sold then becoming public.It is sellers that have started a business because of sites like these where people become reluctant to share

[alexics]

Something interesting:

V000010 5602
V000011 1266
V000100 6931
V000101 6050
V000111 4426
V001000 0234
V001100 6004
V001111 1420
V010000 8915
V011111 9089
V100000 5958
V111111 0750
V123456 3067
V200000 5925
V222222 6081
V300000 2628
V333333 1082
V400000 0938
V444444 4870
V500000 5714
V555555 4943
V600000 6962
V666666 6740
V700000 5947
V777777 9620
V800000 9392
V888888 5092
V900000 4847
V999999 4174

Well ? Good luck !

Hey guys, nobody not will tell you this algo !
Only will see how appear some calculators V series on money !

Carradio2001.
(Owner of CalcGEN Made by I.S.A)

My view is now that the v series calc WILL be derived from the m series, rightly or wrongly I now hold this view. It will be like the difference between the blaupunkt standard calc and the t1. On my opinion blaupunkt and ford are working hand in hand.

[Rdecode]

My view is now that the v series calc WILL be derived from the m series, rightly or wrongly I now hold this view. It will be like the difference between the blaupunkt standard calc and the t1. On my opinion blaupunkt and ford are working hand in hand.


Sorry, but I must admit here that:

1) V series can not be derived from M series, moreover I am sure (99%) that M series algo was cracked from original Visteon factory calculator (as well as BP standard algo), because it is impossible to reverse 10x10 latin square matrix and algo by not knowing which arithmetical permutations are done before with serial number digits, even by writing complex application which estimates permutations...

2) Ford V is not that simple algo like FORD L/C/FIC and 3 digits OLD models

3) What you are doing now I did already few years ago... I wrote VC++ application which tries to determine correct 10x10 latin square matrix, calculation takes weeks and months, but it is useless for the reason mentioned above. My application calculates billions of variants, (google it and find out how many possible permutations can be retrieved from 10x10 latin square and you would see)

4) However I was lucky with this universal VC++ application to crack some other algorithms like alpine (BMW, Jaguar, Chrysler etc) but not Ford V or VW &AUDI, since they are too complex and BTW VW&AUDI is very special case, I have some very remarkable observations with this regard... but I can not tell this now...

5) Forget about your application. The only way is to analyse data (serial=code examples) by hand and not by using C++ applications, you will get stuck, believe me I have big experience in using applications for algorithm cracking automation...
　
　
　

Good luck!!!

Rdecode

[Car235]

@Rdecode :champions:

Good to hear your opinion !
Thanks for your post and I want happiness in your work ...

Regards !

[habbyb]

i`m stuck .. V008928 this is serial can anyone help me finding a code ? Thanks

[andersonmaxi]

hey cristian what thats ????????????????,

[THOMAP]

Hi.
Help me pleas with code for ser. no. V006193
Thanks.

[TOINO]

my radio serial ford part n 6c1t-18c815-aj serial no.v 077762 the code is 7670


by visteon
thanks and good lock

[richard27]

Ford fiasta 2008 v218726 please code Can you give

[raptors]

Please code for FORD 6000 CD VISTEON
V 106402
Thanks

[sicacole07]

ford 6000cd
SERIAL No: V132157

Please help, code. Thanks

[ciptel07]

please code for radio 6000 cd visteon made by portugal part no 6S61-18c815-AJ , V280722 thanks!!!

[Meat-Head]

ford 6000cd
SERIAL No: V132157

Please help, code. Thanks

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[zemunac]

6000cd
VISTEON VP8S7F18C844EA
vpp112191
V001974

[avolion]

try this FORD V SERIAL NUMBER RADIO CODES (http://www.autotek.ro/fordvcode/)

[Hashim1]

It's been a while since the last update on this, what's the latest on the situation of the Ford V algorithm? Presumably it hasn't been cracked yet or you would have posted an update - did you run into some obstacles that made it impossible/harder than first expected?

[shooting]

It's been a while since the last update on this, what's the latest on the situation of the Ford V algorithm? Presumably it hasn't been cracked yet or you would have posted an update - did you run into some obstacles that made it impossible/harder than first expected?

The Ford V database has been around for a long time now,
a search will find it quite quickly




wbr

[Hashim1]

The Ford V database has been around for a long time now,
a search will find it quite quickly




wbr

Apologies for the late reply, I'm aware of the database but it's the algorithms I'm personally interested in and the maths behind them

[erdesigns]

@Hashim1 did you find the algo for the ford V codes? Im also working on trying to decode it, i do have the database but would like to find the algo..