ECU simulator

[Mac Gyver]

I intend to build a simulator for testing ECU bench trucks.
any participant of DK already does this and would like to exchange information?

[easytech]

I do this for testing, repairing and finding the right maps.

[Mac Gyver]

easytech,

you built your ECU truck bench simulator?
you can share more details?

[Furax]

something like jimstim?

jbperf.com - DIY EMS Components (http://jbperf.com/JimStim/index.htm)JimStim/index.htm

[easytech]

Not special for truck ecu's. For ecu's in common.
Trouble is to test common rail injector outputs.
Made a huge patch panel with several cables on
one end the ecu connector the other end with a connector to the patch panel.
So have every pin from the ecu match a contact on the panel 168pins max.
Potentiometers for most of the sensors. Made a generator for the cranck and cam signals.
For relay outputs I use a light bulb. For 5v outputs a driver to a bulb.
Normally test all outputs with light bulbs, but in case of common rail I use a set of old injectors.
Injector time measuring with a scope, dwell also and timing with a phase meter.
Also use some old stepper motors for idle valve etc.

[dimitar]

something like jimstim?

jbperf.com - DIY EMS Components (http://jbperf.com/JimStim/index.htm)JimStim/index.htm


Yea JimStim is excellent it covers almost all the crank and cam patterns, easy to build and very cheap.

[Mac Gyver]

easytech,

my difficulties are cranck and cam signals.
in the forms of waves.
you could say how many signs and perhaps uses data available on these signs?
more trucks used here in my country are:
VOLVO, SCANIA, MERCEDES BENZ, VOLKSWAGEN, FIAT, IVECO and FORD.

[hercamp]

crank and cam signals not difficult too make mate...just need an inductive simulator...with 2 different voltages..cam with..shorts pulses...and crank with a long one ...but problem start in common rails...or doble inyection squences..

I use some like this
Taller Plus - Generador de Pulsos y Controlador de Banco (http://www.tallerplus.com.ar/modules/oledrion/product-196-generador-de-pulsos-y-controlador-de-banco.html)
well I had to adapt from this idea because voltages are different with some models ...but can help u.at different rpms

[Mac Gyver]

I may not express myself as well as the difficulties of the signals.
I've even made a signal generator using microcontroller for testing cars ECU, it works very well.
about the signs for trucks I do not know how they are compounds, eg number of high pulses and number of low pulses.
this kind of doubt that I would receive tips.

[easytech]

On trucks I don't know the wave form for the cranck and cam. I know for MS6.x it is still 60-2 for the cranck and 4 long and 1 short for the cam.

[Mac Gyver]

New Stimulator (http://www.sonic.net/~mikebr/ecm_555/stimulate.html)

[kugglefischer]

really nice stuff!:rock:

[sapeka]

nice nice....

[baburs]

New Stimulator (http://www.sonic.net/~mikebr/ecm_555/stimulate.html)
Good work!!! RESPECT!!!

[CNOBD2]

Hi Mac,
your simulator is really very good. Do you know sensor signal simulator MST9000? Anyone have experience on it? See the below pictures.

New Stimulator (http://www.sonic.net/~mikebr/ecm_555/stimulate.html)

[elecautocr]

Very nice tool MST 9000, Who sell it and How much it cost ?

[BUSCADOS]

THIS IS MADE IN ARGENTINA:thrasher:
LECCHI ChipCars (http://www.chipcars.com.ar)

VERY GOOD

[scousewithbeans]

im just posting to so i can get a download
sorry









OINK

[DiegoAC]

MacGyver, what if you start recording the signals from the crank and cam sensors, build your own database and use later as needed?

[hinko]

Very good!!!

[Mac Gyver]

DiegoAC,

I bought this simulator signals:
YouTube - VICTRIO100's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/VICTRIO100)
works great.

[speedcar]

Hi,
You can check sensor type in MITCHELL ON-DEMAND TRUCKS

Mitchell On Demand Heavy Truck service manuals, repair manuals, diagnostic, wiring diagrams, service specifications for heavy trucks, USA market (http://www.autoepc4you.com/catalog/view/?id=651)

[speedcar]

Try this:

Crankshaft Timing Signal Wheel Simulator (http://www.megamanual.com/router/crankwheelpulser.htm)

[sinautoscan]

sinautoscan.com under products search for simulators

[bazare]

I took a look but it seems over complicated for me. Im also looking for an ecu simulator.

[sinautoscan]

SINCERE AUTO SCAN INC - ISO 9141-2 ECU (http://sinautoscan.com/page12.php?view=productPage&product=1&category=1)

[impactops]

There is no point wasting money on radioshack kits

YouTube - Injectronics Virtual Automotive Simulator

This is what you need

[DiegoAC]

I`ll take a look at it, tough sure is not cheaper than my solution ;) Thank you.


DiegoAC,

I bought this simulator signals:
YouTube - VICTRIO100's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/VICTRIO100)
works great.

[Mac Gyver]

DiegoAC,

You are developing their own ecu simulator?

[mandrake]

Some simulators ecu:

Truck Diesel - Chiptronic - Tecnologia Automotiva (http://www.chiptronic.com.br/index.asp?secao=cpwm31&codigo_categoria=1&codigo_produto=5&enumerar=1)
Petrol car - http://www.chiptronic.com.br/index.asp?secao=cpwm31&codigo_categoria=2&codigo_produto=11&enumerar=2 ( I have )
Honda simulator ECU - http://www.moates.net/honda-b-series-engine-simulatorecu-tester-p-198.html

[omglol]

There is no point wasting money on radioshack kits

This is what you need

How much does this cost? Does it cover European vehicles? Thanx!

[DiegoAC]

MacGyver, I just made my own it`s pretty straight forward.

Cheers.


DiegoAC,

You are developing their own ecu simulator?

[DiegoAC]

One thing to mention, Chiptronic had a truck flasher for sale that looked so similar to BS Truck that I sent an enquiry to Holmes, and answer was "NO WE JUST SOLD THEM 1 FOR THEIR USE NOT FOR RESALE", now chiptronic`s web is missing their truck flasher... Just a heads up, their products might not be that "original".
Regards.


Some simulators ecu:

Truck Diesel - Chiptronic - Tecnologia Automotiva (http://www.chiptronic.com.br/index.asp?secao=cpwm31&codigo_categoria=1&codigo_produto=5&enumerar=1)
Petrol car - Chiptronic - Tecnologia Automotiva (http://www.chiptronic.com.br/index.asp?secao=cpwm31&codigo_categoria=2&codigo_produto=11&enumerar=2) ( I have )
Honda simulator ECU - Honda B Series Engine Simulator/ECU Tester [HONDA_SIMULA] - $199.00 : Moates.Net (http://www.moates.net/honda-b-series-engine-simulatorecu-tester-p-198.html)

[cater50]

Very interresting !! And nice work McGyver

But How can you simulate an ECU with Immo ?
You can plug whatever u want on ECU but u will not have yours outputs (injectors, etc). Ecu is freezed

Maybe my question is silly?

[Mac Gyver]

cater50,

to simulate a ECU with immo, should leave it with
immooff.

[cater50]

Hi All, i come back to give my mind.

I think it can be quite easy to simulate old ECUs like them supported for example whith Chiptronic tools (Seems to be gret tool).

But, to my mind , it seems to be quite hard to simulate laters ECUS ( EDC16 from BOSCH, etc) . When the Immo is OFF, the ECU is waiting for Anti Theft learning Frames in order to record it in its memorY. Before this operation, the ECU is in locked mode and will not be operational.

After this exchange, it will work fine but U have to use ECU and the Manufacturer Control Units (BSI for Peugeot, etc) to have the CAN dialog and simulate it..

Quite Hard to simulate it alone !

It's just an own thinking .......

[mymurat]

New Stimulator (http://www.sonic.net/~mikebr/ecm_555/stimulate.html) nice niceee

[crx1616]

interesting

[CNOBD2]

Hi your simulator is nice. Coult it do diesel pump? Our MST-9000 can only work for cars, not for diesel ones. Hope your simulator can do it.

New Stimulator (http://www.sonic.net/~mikebr/ecm_555/stimulate.html) nice niceee

[sebastian]

Hello I buy this mst 9000
They say that it can prove ecus diesel and petrol but the problem to be that his intrucciones are very bad and not to put on it in functioning, if anybody could explain like agradeceria regards from espa?a and pardon for my Englishman

[ghauman]

hello,
just bouhgt the mst9000 2011 version.
The cd that came with it includes allot of information but nothing about how to connect a ecu to it,
does enywone have a tutorial or instructions about how to connect a ecu to the mst9000?
where to get full pinouts for the ecu?
at this point i want to test a ford XS5F-12A650-FA need pinout for it and need to know if i have to put immo off and how.

Thanks

[Jluis22]

In this video you can see how DYE a Ecu Simulator

YouTube - ‪PROBADOR DE ECUs.wmv‬‏

:beer:

[brchip]

I'm about to buy the MST-9000, I've built my own simulator but I need a more professional and complete tool.

Where did you buy? How much did you pay?

Cheers!

[ecufix]

Very interresting !! And nice work McGyver

But How can you simulate an ECU with Immo ?
You can plug whatever u want on ECU but u will not have yours outputs (injectors, etc). Ecu is freezed

Maybe my question is silly?
My main reason for allways looking for IMMO OFF

[kavan]

I'm about to buy the MST-9000, I've built my own simulator but I need a more professional and complete tool.

Where did you buy? How much did you pay?

Cheers!


Automobile Sensor Signal Simulation Tool MST-9000 (http://www.uobd2.com/wholesale/automobile-sensor-signal-simulation-tool-mst-9000-2300.html)

[brchip]

My main reason for allways looking for IMMO OFF

Well, it depends on what is the problem with the ECU. Sometimes I remove the immo, sometimes I take the immo box out of the car and plug it with the ECU on the bench. Sometimes you don't even need the ECU running for a diagnose, if the driver for the relay is faulty or the fuel pump you can see that just by energizing the ECU.

[ecufix]

As you say , depends on what is wrong . Most times the immo will affect the complete test of the ecu and as I have ECUs sent from faraway it is not always possible to link up the whole outfit for a quickie

[blacklisted]

Automobile Sensor Signal Simulation Tool MST-9000 (http://www.uobd2.com/wholesale/automobile-sensor-signal-simulation-tool-mst-9000-2300.html)


My main reason for allways looking for IMMO OFF


I'm about to buy the MST-9000, I've built my own simulator but I need a more professional and complete tool.

Where did you buy? How much did you pay?

Cheers!


In this video you can see how DYE a Ecu Simulator

YouTube - ***x202a;PROBADOR DE ECUs.wmv***x202c;‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aBdPNxKBeY)

:beer:


hello,
just bouhgt the mst9000 2011 version.
The cd that came with it includes allot of information but nothing about how to connect a ecu to it,
does enywone have a tutorial or instructions about how to connect a ecu to the mst9000?
where to get full pinouts for the ecu?
at this point i want to test a ford XS5F-12A650-FA need pinout for it and need to know if i have to put immo off and how.

Thanks


Hello I buy this mst 9000
They say that it can prove ecus diesel and petrol but the problem to be that his intrucciones are very bad and not to put on it in functioning, if anybody could explain like agradeceria regards from espa?a and pardon for my Englishman


this mst 9000 how on earth do you connect a ecu to it ant 1 manage to figure it out

think we need a thred just for it confusing shit LOL

[ecufix]

Post what info you have and lets all have a look to see if we can work it out .

[cater50]

If not immo off, you can't simulate it.


But when immo off, it's possible to simulate some functianalities such as injectors, airflowmeter, throtle body, etc

But it's hard to see if an ECU is in a degraded mode

[cater50]

Should be glad to list all the crank and cam signal you need for each ECU ? No?

Could help some DK guys

[cater50]

I begin :

EC16C34 : Peugeot-Citroen
Crank signal : 60-2 tooth
Cam signal :

[diagmaster]

i do not know how to enclose all pictures about " how to use MST9000" here. Just 4 pics first.
If you want to know more, please PM me
I will send more details to your email
Hope these be useful for all of you.

[diagmaster]

these are are second pars

i do not know how to enclose all pictures about " how to use MST9000" here. Just 4 pics first.
If you want to know more, please PM me
I will send more details to your email
Hope these be useful for all of you.

[diagmaster]

htis is the last

these are are second pars

[ghauman]

Hi All,
Havent done much with my MST-9000 so far but was playing wit it a couple of days ago an found in the menu there are examples in how to connect a ecu or even dash in order to test it.
Perhaps this is helpfull in conecting other ecu or dash that is not as a example in the mst9000 menu all you would have to know is full pinouts.

Perhaps we can share connections if somebody has tested a ecu or dash.

Regards

[Mac Gyver]

a friend here in DK can tell me the characteristics of the Crankshaft and Camshaft signals in trucks VOLVO, MERCEDES BENZ and more others, for me to develop a generator with a microcontroller.

[alclot]

Hi. I bought the Chinese MST9000. It works but the manual sucks and it's hard to know how it works already. Would need to know how to operate two channels with different signals. For example, "Mark sensor CH1" and " RPM signal CH2". Anyone who has could explain me how?
Thanks in advance

[elecautocr]

Hi. I bought the Chinese MST9000. It works but the manual sucks and it's hard to know how it works already. Would need to know how to operate two channels with different signals. For example, "Mark sensor CH1" and " RPM signal CH2". Anyone who has could explain me how?
Thanks in advance


You need to create the waveforms in the editor and write them in the mst9000. I worked ok with digitals signals, but for analog signals you get very poor quality signals in the outputs channels (chinesse quality !!!!)

[alclot]

You need to create the waveforms in the editor and write them in the mst9000. I worked ok with digitals signals, but for analog signals you get very poor quality signals in the outputs channels (chinesse quality !!!!)
Very poor quality of the Chinese. As always!! hehe Thanks for the quick response. Once I program the signs made in the editor, as I do to work together?
Do not know how to operate the signals edited.
regards

[elecautocr]

In the editor you have 4 channels, if you create 2 waveforms, save the file, write the file in the mts9000 and you will have waveform 1 in channel 1 and waveform 2 y channel 2. But I you want to change frecuency using the button, it will change the frecuency of both waveforms.

[brchip]

I'm considering buying a MST-9000 but just realized there are different versions! Do you know what are the differences?

Model 1:

http://www.autoleap.com.br/image/cache/data/produtos/ECUSIMv2012-500x500.jpg

Model 2:

http://www.eobd2.com/upload/pro/automobile-sensor-signal-simulation-mst-9000-1.jpg

Model 3 (seems to be the oldest of the 3):

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/829/052/438/438052829_279.JPG

[toastedsiopao]

Any user here of this simulator?

Sorry for bumping an old thread.

[thebigk]

If the 9000 isn't confusing enough... put mst12000 in your pipe and try to smoke it.


I am also curious on how a tool like this can actually test an immo enabled ECU. Should we be reading the information via can to see if it's working or not? Or does this simply check if the circuit is closed

[ecutruck]

hi and thanks