peugeot 207 NON STARTER, Why Me?

[z786]

Hi, yes another pile of french shite

car was jet washed in engine bay and under front passenger wheel arch ( dont ask i dont know why )

the main fusebox in engine bay was replaced and car started

now its a non starter again

iv plugged in pp2000 and there is no comms whatsoever in car

no CAN/VAN

what can be the cause?


thanks

[Meat-Head]

We had one of these in *THINK* this is correct information, but worth noticing

The engine ECU is next to the under bonnet fusebox can't remember it's name to well
call it Jacque.

Any way the one he had at M-H-M came in for something daft side light bulb - dunno. the car DROVE IN.

Some how , but no idea how the engine ecu case which is a negative, touched the main positive feed from the battery in the fusebox - not sure how that happened, but for some reason, car no start, crank long-time, but no love.

SOME HOW, there was some blow tracks in the ECU.

This is how good the boss is at M-H-M

[autoelectric]

Hello m8
I think that you are not so lucky with french cars.
Anyway when you say that you have no com you mean that you cannot communicate with any ecu?
For how long the car worked with the new BSM?

[z786]

french cars dont like me.
earlier in year car had the fusebox replaced, car had been parked on driveway for 6 months, when owner tried to start car after 6 months it wudnt go

there is no comms with any ecu in the car whatsoever

[cleevesy]

check all the basics , fuses , earths etc see if you have feed to the modules bsi and bsm ,check pp2000 software, do you have ignition lights?

[z786]

evrythin obvious on car has been checked, car was towed to garage

earlier in thee year it snowed really badly

so the owner decided to clean his car of snow, jet washed the shit out of it

car refused to start so replaced main fusebox, after that car was parked on driveway for 6 months

when you switch ign on car is in eco mode

starter truns but car doesnt tick over

there is loss of comms with the car, i need to knw wat can cause it to go down

[Meat-Head]

Ah more infor the better.

Suggest you PUSH OFF, out of curisity.
If not suggest's BSI has got wiped if battery slowly gone flat
AND?OR
suggests the under bonnet fusebox has now decided to rot out

[cars]

Dear colleague, if you can read ECU engine means that the CAN line is OK,
PP2000 with controls (measures and status) ECU that engine is not locked to real estate.
If ECU is not locked you check power supply ignition coil (12V) and sensors (5V).

[cleevesy]

by turns over do you meen it turns over and over or , or it turns over for a sec the stops, as dont think you will be able to communicate intil vehicle is out of eco mode.

[z786]

@ cars i cant read any ecu in car

no comms

@cleve

iv diagnosed loads of pugs in eco mode and they all communicate fine

[Larue]

Hmmm....have You tried disconnect ECU, ABS control unit and then speak with BSI?
I think it's worth trying, if communication will apear, then You will now there is a problem with one of these control units, if not, You will now - there is something wrong with communication wires.
Can You get CAN signal on oscilloscope?

[Albanais]

Remove the BSI and check if is corroded, it is very fragile, BSI likes the water like the bull likes the red color, lol. Really if you have no com with no one of the ecu s the bsi is ~~~~ed up,if master i ill all the slaves will bi ill to.
CHEERS

[cars]

[QUOTE=z786;823135]@ cars i cant read any ecu in car

no comms

See below the diagram of the diagnostic plug and try to see if the pin 6 -14 CAN line, if there is not the problem it can be in BSI (power supply, fused or ECU).

[thomasnb]

check abs connection. maybe water on connection can interrupt can comunication. witch component doesn't comm with diagnostic pp2000 on global test?? and defaul codes appear ?
where?

[thomasnb]

diesel or gasoline and type of engine?

[z786]

diesel

there is NO COMMS at all mate, nothing, zilch, nada :D

global test reports no ecu responds

[Meat-Head]

damm late for work, now sober, just thought was a thread on here the other day.

*THINK* it's 207 that don't like pps2000 clone. have you tried autobose thing

also, but you have had yours a while member Wiggyholme had a problem with his pps2000 - was soldered with pigeon shit

[z786]

iv had it on several 207s no problem

i hav diagnosed the car as havin no comms, the problem is i dont know why lol

[Larue]

diesel

there is NO COMMS at all mate, nothing, zilch, nada :D

global test reports no ecu responds
Have You used oscilloscope to see what's happening on CAN wires? Sometimes it's giving direction where to move.

[z786]

i havnt got 1
never needed one.........

any otherway to test

[Larue]

i havnt got 1
never needed one.........

any otherway to test
Is there any voltage on CAN wires? should be about 3,5 volts.
I would recommend to by some oscilloscope. With that You can manually check signals. I like to see how they are looking on screen.

[z786]

so what pins do i check for can voltage on DLC?

[Larue]

Just look at post No13 In this thread,mate. Cars have already posted DLC wiring diagram.

[Aniskey]

hi
in the most time peugeot and citroen cars lost configuration in their bsi, so please verifywith pp2000 that VIN number in the car is the same of the car and that keys are programmed too

verify too that customer had no damage the key

[amoss1]

had same problem as u m8 3 garages looked no one could cure it after 17 week it turned out all it was was the crank sensor on bottem fly wheel and i only changed this by luke just before i was about to scap it because some one told me hope this helps :ridinghorse:

[Meat-Head]

had same problem as u m8 3 garages looked no one could cure it after 17 week it turned out all it was was the crank sensor on bottem fly wheel and i only changed this by luke just before i was about to scap it because some one told me hope this helps :ridinghorse:

Wow you must have a LOT of thick slow garages near you.

Are you in Meat-City or something

[thomasnb]

dis you check batterie contact connection. last week on 307 1.6 hdi nothing works, nothing absolutly nothing.
I had disconnect positive contact clean and connect again. result ok

[cleevesy]

Any update been following this one Z786?

[z786]

nope, iv lost hope in french cars
will fone the garage and see if its started for them lol

[Meat-Head]

nope, iv lost hope in french cars
will fone the garage and see if its started for them lol

there is a rumor going around which clearly states there has been a number of Peugoet put on a boat and uploaded back to France - as nobody could fix them!
HTH

Meat.

[cleevesy]

had a new bsi supplied by peugeot and it was faulty does that not sum it all up!!

[kevfield]

z786 did you check resistance of CAN ? Pin 6 and 14 on obd plug make sure you remove earth from batt there should be 60-65 ohms if network is ok and if you see anything above 120 ohms this will mean that CAN is faulty i had this on 407 hdi and it turned out to be BSI or posable the CAN gateway will be ABS also i have seen this on other peugeot,s i have done.

Thanks kev

[Meat-Head]

had a new bsi supplied by peugeot and it was faulty does that not sum it all up!!

OFF TOPIC:-

A 'while' ago we had a Reno Migraine in, 1998 model, window and something else fault. Got it down to fusebox/UCH but because of the immo, it ended up at Meat-City Renault, $50+vat to recode - do it.

Phone call, it won't code, la la la.
Not our problem, you said $50+VAT, your parts supplied the unit, ask parts department.

Lar lar lar, nope had to order another fusebox lar lar lar.

Next day, it's running that's $600 + VAT.

Turned out they wanted to charge for their time swapping unit.

Also turned out a dealer orders a part - fit's it, not cured it, send it back - turns out the first fusebox had been programmed already

Upshot is the bird in the office - been snotty - ended up in tears - awesome job by Team-Meat - as the whole job became FREE.

RESULT.

[Meat-Head]

had a new bsi supplied by peugeot and it was faulty does that not sum it all up!!

ACCIDENTAL BUMP:-

We at M-H-M have had two of these now, SSSOOOOOOO boring when you discover simply swapping the under bonnet fusebox - it starts.

Meat.