Movano non runner

[teerak2uk]

Got a problem with a non running Vauxhall movano and seems diagox as this vehicle dont have an ecu so have have tried using SBB to see how many keys are in the system but get an error saying ecu disconnected so could there be a problem with it sending out the code to start as the led illuminates as normal and goes out as it should so has anyone come accross this same problem as i see others on the net have had similar problems

many thanks

[tomtom0785]

sounds a liitle bit more like damaged ECU or a liitle bit more simple missing Power supply (maybe a Fuse or missing ground)
If diagnostic tool tells that ECU doesn't answers, most of times missing voltage is responsible for such problems

[teerak2uk]

Strange thing is it dont have the usual ecu that most cars have but only the immo box under the stearing column which when it says ecu is disconnected i presume this is what it means so am trying to find out if there is a way it can be tested or if the solonoid on the pump can be replaced with a non coded type

many thanks

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Don't forget Movano's are Renault's and as we all know Renaults are really pain in A***S when it comes for communication with the ECU's.

Try going under Renault Software and see if you can get communication with Engine ECU.

Also the Keys to fail is a common fault on this models but, as you say the Immobiliser light is behaving as it should be than I think the key should be OK, but still its worth testing it to see if you can see the Transponder in there.

Also what is the story about this vehicle was it running before it broke down or it was just parked some where for a while.........

Ash

[teerak2uk]

Vehicle has no engine ecu only immo box as for running was driven accross the road and stalled then would not start after

many thanks

[Ashraf6119]

Vehicle has no engine ecu only immo box as for running was driven accross the road and stalled then would not start after

many thanks

Hello,

This is some thing NOT Possible that the vehicle was running without the Engine ECU.

There should be ECU in there its just may be you have NOT found its location, can you give us the Year of this Vehicle so we could tell you where the ECU is located.

Ash

[teerak2uk]

2001 2.8 diesel

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Have you checked next to the Battery fuse box in there :questionmark:

Ash

[Meat-Head]

non running Vauxhall movano


:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Two type of these bag of shite

1) 'Old fashioned' type - sounds like this one, the flint has worn out

BUMP-SPAM

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f178/renault-megane-1997-immo-off-ir-key-174873/

2) HDI - EDC15 - do a search by member Obdmaster started threads -
then download an emulator from avon-diagnostic.co.uk

As you open the hood something that like

1) Pug 406 HDI laughing at you
2) Something that looks like it fell out of Noah's Arc

[Meat-Head]

liitle bit more simple missing Power supply (maybe a Fuse or missing ground)


BUMP-AGAIN-NOT EDIT-RE-RECORD-NOT-FADE-AWAY.

Yeah, now you said that, there is a confirmed rumor going around which states there is a 2amp fuse for the immo system, grey in color laughing at you in front of drivers knee.

As the immo light goes off this would suggest a 'mechanical' fault
does it have a engine light? Have you tried Op-com?
Do you hear horses running in the night? Ever woundered what chases them?

[Liteace]

Check the earths on both sides on inside A pillar under kick panels even if they look \ feel tight crack them undone and retighten

[teerak2uk]

Hi

Have you checked next to the Battery fuse box in there :questionmark:

Ash



yes only some maxi fuses and a small relay

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Can you physically see the ECU Multi Plugs disconnected to prove the ECU Unit is missing.

As I still can't be-live that the vehicle was running with NO Engine ECU Unit in there,it must be in there some where, it might have just lost its power that's why may be you are not getting communication with it.

Take your time and have a good look at it once again.

Ash

Ash

[teerak2uk]

no ecu plugs and i read somewhere that the obd is only for immo box communication

[Liteace]

Check fuses:

FC 21
FC 5
FL 12

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/saxo/4197-opel-van.png

When the ignition is switched on, the immobiliser control unit (A) requests the code (1) from the key (B). The code is sent (2) to the immobiliser control unit and the transponder (PLIP) code is validated. The telltale immobiliser LED (F) illuminates. The receiver (C) for the immobiliser signal only transmits the codes.
If the code is valid, the immobiliser control unit sends a code (3), related to the security code, to the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve (D) at the fuel injection pump. If the code is invalid, no code is sent to the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve and thus the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve stays de-energised.
The code sent from the immobiliser control unit is compared with the code held in the memory of the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve and, if the codes match, the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve is energised to allow fuel to the injection pump.
The acknowledgement signal (4) is sent to the immobiliser control unit, so that the immobiliser control unit knows that it is safe to keep the immobiliser functions released.
If the codes do not match, the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve remains de-energised. An absent signal (4) is sent to the immobiliser control unit, which activates the immobiliser functions.
On normal behaviour the telltale LED should extinguish approximately 3 seconds after the ignition is switched on.
The immobiliser system becomes active approximately 10 seconds after switching off the ignition with the key withdrawn from the ignition, after which the telltale LED will slowly flash (1 Hz.).
The electronic immobiliser and key, in conjunction with the Fuel Cut-Off Solenoid Valve operate independently from the central door locking system, though the two systems share the same control unit. Thus, the remote control is only used for locking and unlocking the opening elements.

[Liteace]

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/saxo/4199-opel-van-1.png

[Meat-Head]

no ecu plugs and i read somewhere that the obd is only for immo box communication

ABS - Absoulte Bag O Shite, Hair-bag where fitted.

HDI - with electronic injectors

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Old fashioned type

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[Liteace]

no ecu plugs and i read somewhere that the obd is only for immo box communication


The engine ecu is connected the the DLC as well as the immo ecu

[teerak2uk]

where is the engine ecu located????

[Meat-Head]

The engine ecu is connected the the DLC as well as the immo ecu

Road Test: Vauxhall Movano 2.8DTi (Commercial Motor, 18 Jan 2001) - Verdict (http://www.roadtransport.com/ROADTESTSRESULTS/128/1/vauxhall-movano-2.8dti.html)

Quote: Last September Vauxhall followed in Renault?s footsteps by revealing details of an ?all-new? 2.2DTi common-rail engine (from Renault) to replace the 2.5D in the front-wheel drive in the Movano range. While the new engine will take most of the sales, there?s a perennial market for larger-capacity engines: the 2.8-litre turbo-diesel tested here is a reliable choice which should prove popular.

*THINK* iT'S A NIL POI JOB.

TYPE NUMBER PLATE IN EUROCARPARTS.COM - GET ENGINE CODE
Sorry caps lock

[Meat-Head]

where is the engine ecu located????

90% sure the ecu it don't have is 'behind' passenger headlight on inner wing-dings

[teerak2uk]

i thought that it should be there but but no sign of it so presume it dont have one

[Liteace]

where is the engine ecu located????


Is it not under the front seat or under a panel under the seat

[Liteace]

What engine code does it have S9W-702 or S9W-700 ?

[Liteace]

Is it not under the front seat or under a panel under the seat

This is pic from Ren master with same S9W engine code, if its the same its where Meat said it was


http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/44003-liteace/albums/saxo/4201-ren.png

[teerak2uk]

ill have another look on thursday but did not notice anything in these areas

[Meat-Head]

ill have another look on thursday but did not notice anything in these areas

chances are it's hammer time. If mechanical 75% sure will NOT have a 'sideward facing foo-foo valve' - one less thing to worry about.

Take some photos

[teerak2uk]

foo foo valve ????

[Liteace]

foo foo valve ????

Mate you cant be DK Veteran with over a 1000 post and not know what Meat's famous foo foo valve is !!!!!!

[teerak2uk]

LOL soz matey i`m baffled this time

[Liteace]

Here you go, here's all the posts:

Digital Kaos - Search Results (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=4559034)

where the famous foo foo valve (sometimes sideward facing) gets a mention

[Meat-Head]

Here you go, here's all the posts:

Digital Kaos - Search Results (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=4559034)

where the famous foo foo valve (sometimes sideward facing) gets a mention

This one of ONLY a few faults with DK - you can't search for other users.

[teerak2uk]

Tell me about it

[m3vuv]

Hi all,just a couple of things! firstly i seem to think the ecu is under the n/s front wing but it was a long time ago so cant be sure,the other pint is he said it stalled? sounds to me like cambelt bust?,just a thought,cheers Paul m3vuv

[teerak2uk]

Hi Paul yeah cambelt was my first thought but seems fine and tight enough to presume it has`nt jumped too

[teerak2uk]

@ MH have you removed the immo box that covers the start/stop solonoid on the pump from one of these before as i noticed 2 x torx bolts but it does seem quite tight as gonna pop to it in the morning i think its gonna probably be the solonoid that needs to be replaced

[Meat-Head]

No mate, never done one - just from a rumor going around - look at that reno thread in above link.

Word on street says, you can spilt Diesel pump in half if your not careful.

Now pi55ed off - just spent 2 hours re-deiging said SBB key programmer, not only has it lost it's happiness even more, it's just died without reason or warning.

Nothing, zero, no relay clicking, no screen, no led's nil poi, dead as a parrtot found in Monthy Pythons Flying Circuis.

[teerak2uk]

Strange thing is with my SBB i tried to read the movano with no luck op-com read it in the end but did say imm,keys etc all seem ok hence now to chisel down to the solonoid.

p.s. where is the renaul thread you are on about and have you come accross any pics of the pump showing exactly what secures the immo ecu to the pump

[Meat-Head]

Strange thing is with my SBB i tried to read the movano with no luck op-com read it in the end but did say imm,keys etc all seem ok hence now to chisel down to the solonoid.

p.s. where is the renaul thread you are on about and have you come accross any pics of the pump showing exactly what secures the immo ecu to the pump


sorry not in mood right now - still -MUST- suck - blow and swap an eeprom before morning

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/movano-non-runner-175375/#post866078

going for a bath - if i'm not back in an hour - wait longer.

[teerak2uk]

bit different to the one i got showing 2 screws that are removed but still seems quite tight

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8761/sdc15099.jpg

[Meat-Head]

YEUCH. IT'S all rusty and covered in pig piss.

would be inclined to remove the ht leads - sorry manic monday - fuel lines, gaffa tape up the outlets, let rip with Dremal

Going for a bath now - back hurting - got no chocolate in the house either.

Do some internet searching - your user name comes up enough times in google searches lol

[teerak2uk]

good idea just got the quality street out and as for the movano pump i managed to remove it and bypass the immo ecu but still not running so looks like it needs a mechanic to get his hands all dieseled up and start checking timing,diesel pump etc

3 x screws marked in pic

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7094/movanoimmoecu2.jpg