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bkenigma
26th September, 2011, 10:37 PM
Hey whats up guys. Have a friend who works at MB Germany. I was showing him my AVDI today and letting him know how the w221 and w216 comprehensive correction works. He sorta chuckled and told me this is the same for almost all models, anyways, he made me a list that I think will be helpful to all users here as you can change/erase and have them re-read via next startup from dash by running the actuator tests. Below find the list of all models/years/and locations you need to correct; Dont forget to thanks. For those of you who dont have AVDI I'll find out if this can be reset via star developer but I think this is good info to have as Ive read a few posts lately about people getting nailed for silly things like tire pressure mileage.

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CLASS=A
W168 1997-1999 DASH
W168 2000-2004 DASH
W169 2004-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP
CLASS=B
W245 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP
CLASS=C
S202 1996-2000 DASH
S203 1999-2003 DASH,EZS
S203 2004-2007 DASH,EZS,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI
S204 2008-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
W202 1996-1998 DASH
W203 1999-2003 DASH,EZS
W203 2004-2007 DASH,EZS,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI
W204 2007-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
CLASS=CL
CL203 2001-2007 DASH,EZS
CL204 2008-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
C140 1996-1998 DASH
C215 1999-2000 DASH
215 2001-2004 DASH,EZS
C216 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,SRS,CDI,TPM
CLASS=CLK
A207 2007-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
A208 1996-1998 DASH A208 1999-2001 DASH A208 2002-2003 DASH,EZS
A209 2004-2008 DASH,EZS,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI
C207 2007-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
C208 1996-1998 DASH C208 1999-2001 DASH C209 2002-2004 DASH,EZS
C209 2004-2005 DASH,EZS CLASS=CLS W219 2002-2008

DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,TPM
CLASS=E
S210 1996-1998 DASH S210 1999-2002 DASH
S211 2003-2009 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI,TPM
S212 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
W210 1996-1998 DASH W210 1999-2001 DASH
W211 2002-2008 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,CDI,TPM
W212 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
CLASS=G
W461 1996-1998 DASH
W461 1999-2000 DASH
W461 2001-2005 DASH,EZS
W461 2005-2009 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
W461 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
W463 1996-1998 DASH W463 1999-2000 DASH
W463 2001-2005 DASH,EZS
W463 2005-2009 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
W463 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
CLASS=GLK
X204 2008-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,SRS,CDI,TPM
CLASS=M
W163 1996-2004 DASH
W164 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SAMR,TPM
CLASS=GL
X164 2006-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SAMR,TPM
CLASS=R
W251 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SAMR,TPM
CLASS=S
V140 1996-1998 DASH
V220 1999-2002 DASH
V220 2003-2005 DASH,EZS
V221 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
VF140 1996-1998 DASH VF220 1999-2002 DASH
VF220 2003-2005 DASH,EZS
VF221 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
W140 1996-1998 DASH
W220 1999-2002 DASH
W220 2003-2005 DASH,EZS
W221 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
CLASS=SL
R129 1996-2002 DASH
R230 1999-2003 DASH
R230 2003-2006 DASH,EZS
CLASS=SLK
R170 1997-2004 DASH
R171 2004-2009 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP
CLASS=SPRINT
W901 1999-2001 DASH
W902 1999-2001 DASH
W903 1999-2001 DASH
W904 2002-2004 DASH,EZS
W906 2005-2010 DASH,EZS
CLASS=VITO/VIANO
V112 1999-2002 DASH
V111 2001-2004 DASH,EZS
W638 1999-2002 DASH,EZS
W639 2004-2010 DASH,EZS

bkEnigma

T72
27th September, 2011, 11:34 AM
what special function we need to edit other modules in MB(not dash or ezs) in 211, 220, 221, 203...? Is it enougth MN016?

mercis
27th September, 2011, 11:40 AM
star with dev. mode

bkenigma
27th September, 2011, 11:51 AM
what special function we need to edit other modules in MB(not dash or ezs) in 211, 220, 221, 203...? Is it enougth MN016?

Not exactly sure, I have mn002/mn003/mn006/mn007/mn010/mn011/mn013/mn015/mn016. Now looking at what I purchased, I think its just the ecu learning license which lets you acomplish this i believe. Basically select a module, read actual values, goto actuator test, and run tests to erase current values. This will erase current values and be picked up by new ones upon next restart. Keep in mind theres a bug when hit read test, it just stays on test running but it finishes the minute you press it. So say tire pressure for instance, select the module, read actual values, goto actualtor tests, run test, stop test, goto next one run and stop, and same with third. Now re-read values. This should set them from old km to 0,now when you start driving or deactivate/reactivate tire pressure sensor it will pick up all new values.

bkenigma.

And to think a fellow member wouldnt even send me the service reset for aston martin. Boy some people are just plain out greedy around here, I guess I dont share enough information lol

T72
27th September, 2011, 12:47 PM
Not exactly sure, I have mn002/mn003/mn006/mn007/mn010/mn011/mn013/mn015/mn016. Now looking at what I purchased, I think its just the ecu learning license which lets you acomplish this i believe. Basically select a module, read actual values, goto actuator test, and run tests to erase current values. This will erase current values and be picked up by new ones upon next restart. Keep in mind theres a bug when hit read test, it just stays on test running but it finishes the minute you press it. So say tire pressure for instance, select the module, read actual values, goto actualtor tests, run test, stop test, goto next one run and stop, and same with third. Now re-read values. This should set them from old km to 0,now when you start driving or deactivate/reactivate tire pressure sensor it will pick up all new values.

bkenigma.

And to think a fellow member wouldnt even send me the service reset for aston martin. Boy some people are just plain out greedy around here, I guess I dont share enough information lol
ok, but what license lett us to do this?

bkenigma
27th September, 2011, 08:22 PM
ok, but what license lett us to do this?

im pretty sure its mn006... Yo Cokolo, yes its me :)

bkenigma

cokolo
27th September, 2011, 10:21 PM
im pretty sure its mn006... Yo Cokolo, yes its me :)

bkenigma

Thanks for your post :party:

TULGEYWOODMAN
9th January, 2012, 10:15 AM
Hey whats up guys. Have a friend who works at MB Germany. I was showing him my AVDI today and letting him know how the w221 and w216 comprehensive correction works. He sorta chuckled and told me this is the same for almost all models, anyways, he made me a list that I think will be helpful to all users here as you can change/erase and have them re-read via next startup from dash by running the actuator tests. Below find the list of all models/years/and locations you need to correct; Dont forget to thanks. For those of you who dont have AVDI I'll find out if this can be reset via star developer but I think this is good info to have as Ive read a few posts lately about people getting nailed for silly things like tire pressure mileage.

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CLASS=A
W168 1997-1999 DASH
W168 2000-2004 DASH
W169 2004-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP
CLASS=B
W245 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP
CLASS=C
S202 1996-2000 DASH
S203 1999-2003 DASH,EZS
S203 2004-2007 DASH,EZS,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI
S204 2008-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
W202 1996-1998 DASH
W203 1999-2003 DASH,EZS
W203 2004-2007 DASH,EZS,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI
W204 2007-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
CLASS=CL
CL203 2001-2007 DASH,EZS
CL204 2008-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
C140 1996-1998 DASH
C215 1999-2000 DASH
215 2001-2004 DASH,EZS
C216 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,SRS,CDI,TPM
CLASS=CLK
A207 2007-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
A208 1996-1998 DASH A208 1999-2001 DASH A208 2002-2003 DASH,EZS
A209 2004-2008 DASH,EZS,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI
C207 2007-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
C208 1996-1998 DASH C208 1999-2001 DASH C209 2002-2004 DASH,EZS
C209 2004-2005 DASH,EZS CLASS=CLS W219 2002-2008

DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,TPM
CLASS=E
S210 1996-1998 DASH S210 1999-2002 DASH
S211 2003-2009 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,TPM,CDI,TPM
S212 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
W210 1996-1998 DASH W210 1999-2001 DASH
W211 2002-2008 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,CDI,TPM
W212 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
CLASS=G
W461 1996-1998 DASH
W461 1999-2000 DASH
W461 2001-2005 DASH,EZS
W461 2005-2009 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
W461 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
W463 1996-1998 DASH W463 1999-2000 DASH
W463 2001-2005 DASH,EZS
W463 2005-2009 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
W463 2009-2010 DASH,EZS,ESP,ESAF,CDI
CLASS=GLK
X204 2008-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,SRS,CDI,TPM
CLASS=M
W163 1996-2004 DASH
W164 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SAMR,TPM
CLASS=GL
X164 2006-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SAMR,TPM
CLASS=R
W251 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,ESP,ESAF,CDI,SAMR,TPM
CLASS=S
V140 1996-1998 DASH
V220 1999-2002 DASH
V220 2003-2005 DASH,EZS
V221 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
VF140 1996-1998 DASH VF220 1999-2002 DASH
VF220 2003-2005 DASH,EZS
VF221 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
W140 1996-1998 DASH
W220 1999-2002 DASH
W220 2003-2005 DASH,EZS
W221 2005-2010 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP,EPB,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM
CLASS=SL
R129 1996-2002 DASH
R230 1999-2003 DASH
R230 2003-2006 DASH,EZS
CLASS=SLK
R170 1997-2004 DASH
R171 2004-2009 DASH,EZS,ASS,AS+,BCM,ESP
CLASS=SPRINT
W901 1999-2001 DASH
W902 1999-2001 DASH
W903 1999-2001 DASH
W904 2002-2004 DASH,EZS
W906 2005-2010 DASH,EZS
CLASS=VITO/VIANO
V112 1999-2002 DASH
V111 2001-2004 DASH,EZS
W638 1999-2002 DASH,EZS
W639 2004-2010 DASH,EZS

bkEnigma
Just done a W245 B Class, 2009, mileage in Tyre Pressure Monitor, add to list!

Meat-Head
9th January, 2012, 07:55 PM
And to think a fellow member wouldnt even send me the service reset for aston martin. lol


There are some twats on here - you know it share it - not cost you anything in first place.

Well best have a word with your friend in Factory.

So you have all them memory locations and they all end up IN-corect - why did they bother with them?

Pointless there all wrong. Best thing would be go back to mechanical speedos - they can't get corruped by jump starting

Meat

Meat

richy_rich
9th January, 2012, 09:38 PM
Got a Fiat 500l here, '72 I think. (In)correction can be done with a drill (attach to speedo 'sensor' aka cable). Immo bypass is join all three wires on ignition barrel, I think. Start with handle on floor. If wires not joined will crank, but not start. Method will work 100%. say thanks ect. ect. :-)

Meat-Head
9th January, 2012, 09:51 PM
Got a Fiat 500l here, '72 I think.

Next thing, your going to tll us is

1) tax exempt
2) pre '75 - smoke test only drive it around conchestion zone for free (check
first)
3) NO synchro on ANY gear
4) It's got a dynamo with a massive 22 amp out put?

richy_rich
9th January, 2012, 09:59 PM
No road tax here anyway, but true for UK. Synchro on 3&4 I think and has alternator mod done that I found on analogue-chaos whilst listening to the bee gees.

Meat-Head
9th January, 2012, 10:00 PM
So if your not in Ingland where are you?

TULGEYWOODMAN
1st March, 2012, 10:03 AM
im pretty sure its mn006... Yo Cokolo, yes its me :)

bkenigma

Which licence was it for battery sensor on W212
Anyone know please?

Ding-Dong
1st March, 2012, 11:32 AM
Which licence was it for battery sensor on W212
Anyone know please?

think u need to have MN016
* Erase sotred odometer values in Battery Sensor control unit in W204/W212 vehicles. Free update for all owners of MN016

regards

Hanukkah
8th March, 2012, 01:33 AM
In a 2002 w220 s600...

Mileage is not only stored in Dash and HC08 EZS.

What other modules have mileage stored? Thanks

cokolo
8th March, 2012, 10:02 AM
In a 2002 w220 s600...

Mileage is not only stored in Dash and HC08 EZS.

What other modules have mileage stored? Thanks

W 220 2003-2005 DASH(services stored in dash ) and EZS

enigmauk
19th October, 2012, 10:24 PM
So it mn16 and mn08 covers mileage locations?

TULGEYWOODMAN
19th October, 2012, 11:39 PM
depends which car, best buy them all to be safe

Mezz_cro
20th October, 2012, 09:19 AM
Which licence was it for battery sensor on W212
Anyone know please?

As i know there is no licence for that,i solved on another way and that way is :

When you do dash+ezs(change new value) then start the car(turn on engine) then find big battery and remove minus(-) from battery for few minutes then return minus(-) to the battery and after that you must go to drive car about 10-20km,after that battery sensor must get new value what you have on your dash.
This is work for W211 W212,i try it and test it,it s work for me.

Enjoy :)

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 09:23 AM
As i know there is no licence for that,i solved on another way and that way is :

When you do dash+ezs(change new value) then start the car(turn on engine) then find big battery and remove minus(-) from battery for few minutes then return minus(-) to the battery and after that you must go to drive car about 10-20km,after that battery sensor must get new value what you have on your dash.
This is work for W211 W212,i try it and test it,it s work for me.

Enjoy :)

abrites do it straight away!, no driving for half an hour [even if you are insured]

enjoy even more with abrites.............:scarf2:

Mezz_cro
20th October, 2012, 09:31 AM
abrites do it straight away!, no driving for half an hour [even if you are insured]

enjoy even more with abrites.............:scarf2:

Then tell me how :) what licence?
I have MN016

Many thanks :)

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 09:37 AM
Then tell me how :) what licence?
I have MN016

Many thanks :)
that licence will do it in 212,204 etc

main menu, battery sensor, read values, erase values, start test, wait 1 minute, stop test, remove key,disconnect battery,wait 2 minutes,reconnect battery,insert key,read values, first value correct, remaining show error.
job done

Mezz_cro
20th October, 2012, 09:40 AM
that licence will do it in 212,204 etc

But that licence is only for dash and ezs and zgw(cgw) isn t ? or also i can do battery sensor with that licence ?
and what about ECU,how to change there i must get licence MN006 or ?

Thanks...

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 09:43 AM
But that licence is only for dash and ezs and zgw(cgw) isn t ? or also i can do battery sensor with that licence ?
and what about ECU,how to change there i must get licence MN006 or ?

Thanks...

no, mno16 does battery sensor, but also look in esp- tyre pressure monitor,DPF [if diesel] values,etc. using STAR.

Click on everything in the main menu and explore!
I assume you use STAR as well.

enigmauk
20th October, 2012, 10:04 AM
Would W207/A207 work under W212?

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 10:46 AM
Would W207/A207 work under W212?
yes mno16 will do that CLK as well.

Mezz_cro
20th October, 2012, 10:48 AM
yes mno16 will do that CLK as well.

You don t wanna answer on PM or ? :S

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 10:51 AM
You don t wanna answer on PM or ? :S

I am happy to give any info freely on here.

enigmauk
20th October, 2012, 10:53 AM
yes mno16 will do that CLK as well.

But is it really a CLK? Its labelled E*** :)

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 11:07 AM
But is it really a CLK? Its labelled E*** :)

I dont understand?
I thought you asked about a w207 which is a CLK?

enigmauk
20th October, 2012, 03:13 PM
W209 is CLK

W207 is E CLASS COUPE (aka CLK)

smartymarti
20th October, 2012, 03:26 PM
And here's me always thinking a clk was based on the c class rather than the e class

smartymarti
20th October, 2012, 03:27 PM
Or are you confusing the cls which is based upon the e class

TULGEYWOODMAN
20th October, 2012, 04:06 PM
W209 is CLK

W207 is E CLASS COUPE (aka CLK)




Odometer Correction (Special Function MN016)

With this special function you can make odometer correction in Dashboard in C-Class W204/GLK X204/E-Class W212/SLS W197/CLK W207 by OBD.
Owners of this special function can also Read/Write the Full EEPROM of the Dashboard and install CAN Gateway Filter to block odometer synchronization between Dashboard and EZS.
Also, onwers of this special function may adapt used Dashboards of C-Class W204/GLK X204/E-Class W212/SLS W197/CLK W207 to EZS; set days since initial registration in dashboard and make other adaptations like KM<->Miles, Clock synchronization, etc. by OBDII.
Owners of this special function can also Read/Write the complete EEPROM of ZGW (CGW) control unit.



apologies for causing confusion, above is copied from abrites website

enigmauk
20th October, 2012, 06:43 PM
And here's me always thinking a clk was based on the c class rather than the e class

It has always been based on the E class... They called it Clk and its now back to being called a E class again.

Mezz_cro
20th October, 2012, 07:16 PM
Could anybody explain me more how to change km for W204 in this modules ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM ?

What is ESAF ?

Thank you very much ....

peko
28th February, 2013, 01:45 PM
hi friends

anybody know if viano year 2011 have 9s12 inside or havana ?

thx ;)

motorsport
28th February, 2013, 01:53 PM
hi friends

anybody know if viano year 2011 have 9s12 inside or havana ?

thx ;)
no havana inside it like sprinter

TULGEYWOODMAN
28th February, 2013, 04:02 PM
no havana inside it like sprinter

9s12..............

bkenigma
2nd March, 2013, 07:35 AM
Could anybody explain me more how to change km for W204 in this modules ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM ?

What is ESAF ?

Thank you very much ....

ESAF is the KM's stored inside of the cars with full leather and memory seats.

bkenigma

bkenigma
2nd March, 2013, 07:36 AM
If anyone is looking for AVDI I can provide very nice discount, close to 25% in EU.

bkenigma

TULGEYWOODMAN
2nd March, 2013, 09:55 AM
If anyone is looking for AVDI I can provide very nice discount, close to 25% in EU.

bkenigma

and what VAT? [tva]

for example, how much is MNO15?

motorsport
2nd March, 2013, 10:23 AM
yes price for MN015?

peko
2nd March, 2013, 04:34 PM
and what VAT? [tva]

for example, how much is MNO15?

++1

also interresting ;)

thunderwinged
25th March, 2013, 12:03 AM
i no will work with mercedes much unit to change km hehehehe

TULGEYWOODMAN
25th March, 2013, 12:14 AM
If anyone is looking for AVDI I can provide very nice discount, close to 25% in EU.

bkenigma
still waiting and hoping for reply !

TULGEYWOODMAN
25th March, 2013, 12:15 AM
Could anybody explain me more how to change km for W204 in this modules ESP,ESAF,CDI,SRS,TPM ?

What is ESAF ?

Thank you very much ....

you buy abrites or mercleaner

vageric
25th March, 2013, 05:45 AM
still waiting and hoping for reply !

normaly he reply immediately. have bought stuff by him and he can give you good price!
and he is geniwune (trustfully).
i would say try again to contact him

TULGEYWOODMAN
25th March, 2013, 08:51 AM
Oh,I didnt contact him direct, it was a question on the open forum, thanks

bkenigma
2nd May, 2013, 03:21 AM
Tiger,
Contact me via PM.. I'll hook you up brother. Anyone needing AVDI, AVDI Licenses, Smok tools PM Me.

bkenigma

hawkis
17th September, 2013, 06:04 PM
Hi
can anyone say me if able carprog to do w211 2003 with mb assyst only without eis and dash removing?Never had tampered mercedes before.

TULGEYWOODMAN
17th September, 2013, 08:05 PM
Hi
can anyone say me if able carprog to do w211 2003 with mb assyst only without eis and dash removing?Never had tampered mercedes before.

Yes of course, if its the w211 assyst, [direct programme]. you remove the central gateway from behind the kick panel and follow wire up instructions on carprog menu.

hawkis
17th September, 2013, 09:19 PM
Yes of course, if its the w211 assyst, [direct programme]. you remove the central gateway from behind the kick panel and follow wire up instructions on carprog menu.

that i saw.will try to roll back tomorrow.it would be great stuff if it works without dash and eis removing :top:

hawkis
17th September, 2013, 09:30 PM
one more question. new odo value automatically will appear in dash after i programm ZGS assyst?

javyb
17th September, 2013, 10:41 PM
one more question. new odo value automatically will appear in dash after i programm ZGS assyst?

No. Assyst is just service. You have to do dash and EZS unless you have have a tool that can flash dash only

TULGEYWOODMAN
18th September, 2013, 07:42 AM
Hi
can anyone say me if able carprog to do w211 2003 with mb assyst only without eis and dash removing?Never had tampered mercedes before.

Apologies.

You gave the impression that you wanted to do assyst ONLY!

if it was that easy, everyone would be doing it................................................ ........................................


[come to think of it, everyone and his dog IS doing this job now]