avdi hacked again? fly fvdi

[paul_12345]

looks like avdi has been hacked again by the makers of fly tools.

FLY Vehicle Diagnostic Interface (FVDI)

FLY Vehicle Diagnostic Interface in abbreviated FVDI is last generation diagnostic interface for vehicles and trucks
produced from our company. It works the same as AVDI(ABRITES Vehicle Diagnostic Interface).
Currently FVDI is distributed with following diagnostic software:
1. ABRITES Commander for VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda
2. ABRITES Commander for Porsche
3. ABRITES Commander for Mercedes/Smart/Maybach
4. ABRITES Commander for OPEL/VAUXHALL
5. ABRITES Commander for BMW
6. ABRITES Commander for Peugeot/Citroen
7. ABRITES Commander for Fiat/Alfa/Lancia
8. Abrites Commander for Renault
9. Abrites Commander for Toyota/Lexus
10. Abrites Commander for Hyundai/KIA
11. Abrites Commander for Nissan/Infiniti
12. ABRITES TAG Key Tool

theres currently one on aliexpress for 4000 USD, bad new for abritus and you guys that have spent ??? if its been clone properly this time.

[impactops]

it can't be cloned properly, unless information from abritus was constantly being leaked and it would not take them long to work that out

[paul_12345]

it can't be cloned properly, unless information from abritus was constantly being leaked and it would not take them long to work that out

it could be cloned properly, the only thing protecting it is the burnt in serial on the hardware, if they could change that it would be clone straight away 100% but obviously not that easy to change the serial

[impactops]

This has been covered all before, i suggest you read some of the avdi threads.If they don't release new updates each time advi do, then you'll know that they are no different than all the other avdi clones

[paul_12345]

This has been covered all before, i suggest you read some of the avdi threads.If they don't release new updates each time advi do, then you'll know that they are no different than all the other avdi clones

obviously the serial will get blacklisted so no updates. The other clones did not work properly so if this does then of course it will be different also they claim all commanders.

[impactops]

I suggest you read some of my posts regarding advi, cause if you think that it's all to do with the serial your surely mistaken

[carfix]

vag commander up to which version is coverd?

[paul_12345]

I suggest you read some of my posts regarding advi, cause if you think that it's all to do with the serial your surely mistaken

I never said their entire protection is a serial did I, if you defeat the security and get the firmware and any keys stored in ram which any clone must of done, then if it was possible to change the hardware id how would it not be 100% clone as you wouldn't need to touch any code so how could the firmware or software detect a clone.

Obviously you can't just change the burnt in hardware id unless the chip design is massively flawed.

[paul_12345]

also by the look of the picture of the new clone there seems to be a lot bigger pin count on what ever chip they've used, so maybe they've emulated the chip allowing them to change the ID to whatever they want

[impactops]

Let me put it to you this way paul, do you think that if you had 2 identical advi with the same features enabled that the whole reason why you can't run the software intended for interface A on interface B is because of the ID?

[paul_12345]

Let me put it to you this way paul, do you think that if you had 2 identical advi with the same features enabled that the whole reason why you can't run the software intended for interface A on interface B is because of the ID?

what relevance is that? it doesn't matter if they modify each software and/or firmware we are not talking about interchanging the software.

IF it was possible to change any chip id and you then put unmodified firmware including and ram contents etc would the software of the cloned original not work 100% in the clones?

Also I'm not talking about updates as it will be pretty safe to say even if they've completly cracked avdi encrption of the software etc and could supply updates abritus would be forced to change security so it wouldn't last long.

[sparkz02]

If it does work properly say bye to the locksmithing industry for a little while. I've always said China is getting better which is bad news for most, good for some.

I don't understanding nothing you guys are saying, but vvdi was cloned? seems to work..

[paul_12345]

If it does work properly say bye to the locksmithing industry for a little while. I've always said China is getting better which is bad news for most, good for some.

I don't understanding nothing you guys are saying, but vvdi was cloned? seems to work..

hopefully they will keep the price high to be too much for the sbb/mvp part timers

[impactops]

what relevance is that? it doesn't matter if they modify each software and/or firmware we are not talking about interchanging the software..

That is the whole reason why you can't clone it, it has nothing to do with the hardware ID


IF it was possible to change any chip id and you then put unmodified firmware including and ram contents etc would the software of the cloned original not work 100% in the clones?..

You're stuck on the hardware ID, which you can overcome by modifying the software to ignore it, but you can't ignore just one of the chips features like triple DES encryption keys stored in it's ram via battery backup, but your still stuck on the hardware ID.


Also I'm not talking about updates as it will be pretty safe to say even if they've completly cracked avdi encrption of the software etc and could supply updates abritus would be forced to change security so it wouldn't last long.

You're willing to fork out $4000 for an interface that won't last long and cannot be updated???

Then it's no zfvucking cloned then is it captain, the whole definition of a cloned interface to me means that the cloned interface is identical to the original that the original software can run on the clone and it won't know the difference regardless of updates it will still work.

Now why do you think they charge alot even for clones, because they have to purchase the original interface with the features thay want on their clones and use those details on there interfaces and still be able to make a profit at the end of the day on something which is limited only to the features they have copied.

[autocargo]

You wait 'till the clone of the clone will come out.:eek::laugh: Then the price war will start. Like anything made in China, price will come down. Wonder if it does what it says on the tin.

[paul_12345]

Then it's no zfvucking cloned then is it captain, the whole definition of a cloned interface to me means that the cloned interface is identical to the original that the original software can run on the clone and it won't know the difference regardless of updates it will still work.


No, you clone 1 unique interface if they blacklist that interface on updates its still a 100% clone of the blacklisted interface isn't it! it will work 100% the same as the originally cloned interface ie. no updates for either.

[paul_12345]

You're stuck on the hardware ID, which you can overcome by modifying the software to ignore it, but you can't ignore just one of the chips features like triple DES encryption keys stored in it's ram via battery backup, but your still stuck on the hardware ID.


I assume they have found a way to get the keys from ram else they wouldn't of cloned it in the first place.

[sparkz02]

Here a picture of the inside of the box,

Aliexpress.com : Buy 2013 Vehicle Diagnostic Interface (FVDI) for vehicles and trucks Full Version free shipping from Reliable FVDI diagnostic interface suppliers on Online Store 806001 (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2013-Vehicle-Diagnostic-Interface-FVDI-for-vehicles-and-trucks-Full-Version-free-shipping/806001_754730762.html)

[impactops]

I assume they have found a way to get the keys from ram else they wouldn't of cloned it in the first place.

Of course they have, but they change the keys then they have to purchase the product again and extract the keys again

[impactops]

No, you clone 1 unique interface if they blacklist that interface on updates its still a 100% clone of the blacklisted interface isn't it! it will work 100% the same as the originally cloned interface ie. no updates for either.

They don't need to black list the interface mate, this is nothing like any other interface it is designed not to be cloned or hacked, because of the encryption keys used.The chip they have used is not ment for automotive applications, we've gone through all these discussions before mate.

If all of you worked collectively, those who have avdi and have purchased modules should connect a obd logger between the interface and the vehicle so they can record the obd commands sent to the vehicle and then implement them in another program cause that is all you need and that is the one thing that they cannot really prevent you from doing.

But like i said mate, we have gone through all these duscussions before

[topclef]

someone has test it and with which version .

More details is appreciated

[ankara06]

fake..............

[nomis]

But like i said mate, we have gone through all these duscussions before
Yes i think here . http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/avdi-users-questions-190639/

[rapidlocksmiths]

someone has test it and with which version .

More details is appreciated

you could buy it and test it ? or buy it and send to someone to test , it will be a very brave person or a foolish person or a rich person who parts with $4000 to see if this actually works or not .

[topclef]

:congrats:you could buy it and test it ? or buy it and send to someone to test , it will be a very brave person or a :congrats:foolish person or a rich person who parts with $4000 to see if this actually works or not .


it is encouraging to see people like you M8 .

this is just to see ,

[paul_12345]

you could buy it and test it ? or buy it and send to someone to test , it will be a very brave person or a foolish person or a rich person who parts with $4000 to see if this actually works or not .

Yes, just unusual for it to come out and advertise all the commanders available, just seems like they must of found a better hack to be able to avoid lots of patching etc which must of been the reason for all the bugs in the other clones.

[rapidlocksmiths]

many have advertised all commanders before but didnt have them , alot depends on what version they are and if what they have actually works

it even says on the advert for this that the software belongs to abrites 72 but please do not try and update it , as if proud of fact they stole it .

these copiers are no more than criminals by their own admission , i wonder how many will choose to support thieves .

so big question , who would risk $4000 to confessed thieves without confirmation of each commanders version and full list of functions on it that work ?
As if it doesnt work its unlikely any refunds will be forthcomming .

i hope it isnt up to date and i hope its full of bugs and doesnt work , because if stealing such a well protected software and we know the knock off nigels will support it as no ethics , it will be another reason for new software prices to go up or future development to be scrapped entirely .

[paul_12345]

I just dont know why abritus didn't implement a dongle into the software the first time they were cloned, would of cost next to nothing for the dongle and a bit of time implementing the software.

If you want to stop the clonners just look at what protection they add to the devices they clone - truecode clone for example

[obdmaster]

None of these cloned Abritus products has ever come close to original. We had ORV commander, which offered full opel, renault and volvo commander functions. My friend bought one as he liked my original so much, what a waste of ?600 that was for him.

These latest clones from what i hear are made by the FLY company, who brought us such junk as FLY100 family interfaces which uses over patched software and does nothing like even a straight cloned IDS can do. Id be very very warey of spending thousands of dollars on which looks to me as a box that might look like an AVDI, but guaranteed no way will it work like one.

If you want an AVDI, buy original and add functions as you need them. This way it will work as its meant to, be future proof with free updates. And 100% you wont regret it.

[zoyzoyni]

and my advice is if some one want abrites,dont make the mistake to order from edilock.direct from abritus 72 site. go away from burgas dealer....:vroam::vroam::vroam:

[912secured]

It has a jtag or other interface inside updateable for them. Looks like they used a PLC. And it states (Paul you are right its most likely able to be cracked they had years)

Warning: You MAY NOT connect AVDI made by ABRITES to above softwares.

I have software/hardware for what I need in the US. Unpacked and modified v5 just removed the hardware check and got lazzy used tntenforcer of the asians clone soft to just work with dash dumps to get component security until I figured them all out for my self. The 25 pin connector on it is one pin off so only 24 is used so the details in the link are right. If a dallas 5000 series can be cracked and playstations 64 x 64 bit encryption can be popped (3 years and the development stations do not have it run raw code). I would of looked for a buffer overflow or modded the firmware in the asian clones for practice and worked from their to gain the keys)

But logging the can data. Loggers are 50 to 3000, the higher covers all protocalls. I first did it to turn off immos on skidoo's (not a verry long peice of code,tntenforcer turns on the option to turn it off it not using megatech lic) (forget anything thats covered by current clones why repeat) I have already been doing loggin on most. The vcx allscanner nano covers j2534-2 (150usd). Thats basically all what the keyless ride unit does is a 2534 interface with little security do not know why it has not been cracked yet???. Even sent on asian maker logs so they could add it to their device. Its also my fault xprog-m 5.3 is there did not mean for them to add a dongle and make money. Good thing did not give 5.38.

Older versions of the sbb can have code added easy thought about adding to it. The atmel in the sbb/sdd can be extracted without acid/scanning electron micro(power, clock glitch or combination of the 2) they said the bigger micros easier the smaller atmel has small chance of ram erase roms fine. Let them figure out (they already have) how much time each each opcode takes and find which ones take 2 cycles or more. They sell 2 different boxes that cover alot of the older atmels 7000 apeice just that the sdd originally was old early 2000's why we got lucky their. Can have it sent out for 1500 (thought about v37 ck-100 around 2 grand we could be good again? might have legit one done also) v34 was not that hard but they kept on adding more checks security now I know why they made allmost all new code to the boot loading part of the code. I would of also added on each startup first thing in flash in extra space to rewrite the code to boot up so if erased. Done it before in the main executable loop in some things I cracked/played with so its always repaired dss h/hu card for activation/guide years ago one example). Even though most are cracked to turn everything on. Some updated ones to 33.01 lost it and reverted back to 5 uses but you could turn on option if you had right pin. A basic stamp set up and programmed right connected to the key board you could have it wait go to the item try 2 times then power reset and try again brute forcing the key and if same serial same code per unit. Tko users could unlock options in less than 3 days without unsoldering anything. Just a modified sbb keyboard and a modified power supply controlled by a stamp (hope this does not make the passwords more than 4 digits). Thought of brute forcing skim 2 units before on crysler before they came up with the brass key way for people who could not solder to the 908 (not all locksmiths are smart tech wise) they use the same connector and I knew the lockout reset at the time. Just needed to see if there was a differnece in return response from good and bad code. But the sbb works you just have to time the button pushes right after power reset to get to where you need to go and try passes after 2 tries have stamp reset power and try 2 more times. I was working on it for legit units and at one time a legit stripped tko was 2600 everything there just not activated and on the sbb it showed me in the flashes how authorization worked when not all turned on.

If effi lasted longer would of helped added unlocking. Chrysler fobik A/B and prox by eeprom changing on model key to any other. Vag micronas/ nec eeprom.

This board use to flow info more freely now more is kept to self's. Still love it. Instead of giving pins from dumps explain how to do. Give a man a fish he eats for a day, teach noobs to fish eat for a life time. Sorry I went on just trying to put ideas out their and we can work together more. Maybe add a advance section if not ones already hidden or made and just let people in who contribute good ideas.

[impactops]

But logging the can data. Loggers are 50 to 3000, the higher covers all protocalls

CanEasy - Analyse- und Testumgebung f?r CAN- und LIN-Bus (http://www.schleissheimer.de/produkte/caneasy/)

The Vas5054 with CanEasy, that's all you need captain.

This Fly interface has a smaller battery and it looks also to be soldered to the board, the soldering on the encryption chip looks like it has been soldered by hand, so good luck to those who want to buy it.

Like i've said in the past gentlemen, Abritus have though this thing all the way through.One of the reasons why they charge so much has to do with the fact that it would not be economically viable for cloners to keep purchasing modules in order so they can clone them considering the prices Abritus charge.

Your only hope is for those who have them to start logging data from their avdi's, but why would someone who owns one want to log data to help someone else who will eventually become a competitor?

[rapidlocksmiths]

None of these cloned Abritus products has ever come close to original. We had ORV commander, which offered full opel, renault and volvo commander functions. My friend bought one as he liked my original so much, what a waste of ?600 that was for him.

These latest clones from what i hear are made by the FLY company, who brought us such junk as FLY100 family interfaces which uses over patched software and does nothing like even a straight cloned IDS can do. Id be very very warey of spending thousands of dollars on which looks to me as a box that might look like an AVDI, but guaranteed no way will it work like one.

If you want an AVDI, buy original and add functions as you need them. This way it will work as its meant to, be future proof with free updates. And 100% you wont regret it.

agree 100%

[912secured]

Caneasy looks nice im running ixxat compact and three different logging soft's plus sometimes the free one that came with it when i need something quick. I had it already because it worked with version 2 (2009) skidoo soft (the avdi has it with megatech license added for free) with getto crack (tntenforcer turns on the option to turn off immo).I debugged and generated the 20 digit license code they worked but always could not get everything on knowing now would of made a couple virtual machines but I got my first key for 60 bucks for just watercraft used a old laptop(worried about water damage a new 6 dollar battery from one of the amazon sellers in a old dell c5X0 series got 4 of them some missing cd drives some hard drives for 50 bucks all with xp serials I LOVE XP nothing else) with timecrack. There is also a way to have older virtual machines run not by the machine time and just the time you use. I live near a beach and skidoo owners cheap the lanyard with chip is 40 plus my price. Can get universal with 7 ends for 8 bucks. I take the unused ones and put on the end of promotional beer loops.

[impactops]

They all have their flaws whether it's a clone or original

[912secured]

You just have to work with the flaws. That is why most have multiple devices and some overlap coverage.

[drakov]

price is now $530 lets see how many ecu's get fried:-)

[impactops]

You just have to work with the flaws. That is why most have multiple devices and some overlap coverage.

There shouldn't be any flaws for the price these things cost, ORV commander was alot cheaper than fly

[paul_12345]

price is now $530 lets see how many ecu's get fried:-)

not for full package

[drakov]

yup just noticed, I'm happy with genuine so not too fussed, it's done everything I have needed so far (granted I don't need a lot of the extra functions), but fly couldn't clone ids properly and that was easy ( I mean there was a very good working clone that works perfect with latest software yet they managed to f*** that up BIGTIME), so not gonna hold my breath on them cloning a tool that many others with a lot more brains couldn't.

Re: chinese clones are getting better.... NOPE!!!! The chinese can't clone shit with nwer protection, they modify old software and make it look like latest, just look at IDS and MDI, the list goes on.

[rapidlocksmiths]

hmmmm $4000 to $530 in a week suggest what ?

http://www.xcar360.com/avdi.html

i think il stick to my original , doesnt let me down and constantly updated .

[impactops]

think il stick to my original , doesnt let me down and constantly updated

You must have a lot of many to spend if it is constantly updated

[drakov]

updates are free (by that I mean I have never paid for any update and have seen a LOT of new things added to my existing licenses and never been asked for payment) there 'what's new' page shows what's added and what licenses are needed to gain the benefit, if you have it it's free

[impactops]

Is that your opinion or one that you have been instructed to give?

I say this cause it is the usual folk that voice how good the product is when either their is a competeing product (if you can call it that) or it is being critisized for features that are not working the way their ment too

[Fallen]

If my Avdi got stolen tonight, I would buy another tomorrow morning.
The support has come a long way in the last year, from appalling to now passable.

If you have one and have been disillusioned with it in the past, blow the dust off it and give it another go.

[impactops]

Now i'm confused, Some DK members have been justifying every complaint that has been made about the product as something that should be overlooked because of the features it has and what it does.Each time someone has made a complaint in the past regarding the support being terrible they have been shot down in flames & ridiculed as if they were purposely complaining just to give the product a bad name.

Now if the support has come a long way since last year, why do you think that is?

Regards
Impactops

[rapidlocksmiths]

All i can say is my own experience , when ive needed support ive recieved support and its been essential , kap give support when its needed in my experience , like fallen if i lost it tonight id buy another .

my avdi has been updated free at least 8 times since october , you do not pay for any updates as long as you own the relevent licences , and free functions are also updated on regular basis .

rarely is an update just a bug fix , it normally includes more functions as well .
just this week , toyota has been updated with improved coverage , tag key has just been updated with plenty of new functions including 8c cloning , and vag is about to be updated to version 18 with many new and interesting usefull functions , oh and all free as i already have the licences , no money needed for updates or support .

maybe some defend the product because its actually worth defending .

[keysph]

and vag is about to be updated to version 18 with many new and interesting usefull functions
Already updated www.Abritus72.com (http://www.abritus72.com/news.html) ;)

[rapidlocksmiths]

waiting for mine to arrive .

[impactops]

All i can say is my own experience , when ive needed support ive recieved support and its been essential , kap give support when its needed in my experience.

I've read enough of these abritus threads on DK and fought plenty of battles in defending the facts to see that this was not always the case, many complained in the past about how poor the support was and in most cases they were dismissed.So all this support that is now being provided by kap has only come about because of their customers airing their greviences on DK and those who you say defend it cause it's worth defending were doing so cause of the incentives they were recieving which they streniously denied.

One thing is for certain, if your battery dies (for whatever reason) outside the warranty period, they will charge you to revive it by replacing the whole unit, which is what KAP has stated when this question was previously raised.So unless you've got the fvuckers stating in writing that they will replace it free of charge i wouldn't count on it happening considering that all this free support they are providing is the result of continuous complaints which left them no choice but to respond.

Regards
Impactops

[rapidlocksmiths]

as i said i cant comment on what went before , i can only comment on my own experience since i have owned avdi and the support , service , updates and functionality i have recieved for my money .

i get absolutely no incentives , no freebies and am not involved with kap or abrites 72 other than buying their products.

all i can give is an honest appraisal of my experience of owning avdi and the support and service i have recieved , so a factual appraisal based on experience rather than hear say all be it being based on past 9 months of owning avdi .

[impactops]

i get absolutely no incentives , no freebies and am not involved with kap or abrites 72 other than buying their products.

That's exactly what the others were saying and your satisfaction of owning one for the last 9 months is due to the battles fought here which left them no choice but to respond.I suggest you go and read some of the other threads

Regards
Impactops

[keysph]

One thing is for certain, if your battery dies (for whatever reason) outside the warranty period, they will charge you to revive it by replacing the whole unit, which is what KAP has stated when this question was previously raised.So unless you've got the fvuckers stating in writing that they will replace it free of charge i wouldn't count on it happening considering that all this free support they are providing is the result of continuous complaints which left them no choice but to respond.
Regards
Impactops

First of all AVDI is an EU product and must comply to EU rules of manufacturing. Must have an certificate of conformity must have warranty of at least 2 years.
I don't think any of their customers receive such things.
On base of that, on a law process they can be forced to exchange the units free of charge.

[rapidlocksmiths]

has anyone had a battery die ? have they been told or forced to buy a new unit ? or is it just hear say that you must buy a new unit ? i personally know of no one who has suffered this yet to base a definitive conclusion on .

As i said i cant comment on what went on before i owned an avdi , only on my experiences now i own one .

if it was terrible support before then so be it , if the new support and service im getting is because of threads on dk on their own forum or due to complaints etc i cannot comment as i dont know with certainty but great im glad and gratefull as if it was poor it has been improved , of that im certain regardless of reason , as the service and support i recieve has been good .

time will tell if this continues , but ive no reason to believe it wont as ive not experienced poor service from them .

my only concern is does it do what i bought it to do , will i earn my investment back and profit from it , and will i get what ive been promised , so far im happy , if this changes or im unhappy i will say so .

If i praise or slag off a product , company or service , then i will only do so based upon personal experience .

[impactops]

has anyone had a battery die ? have they been told or forced to buy a new unit ? or is it just hear say that you must buy a new unit ? i personally know of no one who has suffered this yet to base a definitive conclusion on.

it's Deja Vu mate, history is repeating it'self all over again.I strongly suggest that you take your time and read all through the previous discussions that way we can avoid repeating the same situations

Regards
Impactops

[Fallen]

The next person to mention the ****ing battery in the avdi gets a free poke I'm the eye with a stick.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i have read previous posts , but it wont change my opinion on avdi as my opinion is based solely upon my own experience of having and using one .

As stated if this changes and i become unhappy with it i will say so , i hope this will not be the case but for now im happy and satisfied with my avdi experience .

[impactops]

i have read previous posts , but it wont change my opinion on avdi as my opinion is based solely upon my own experience of having and using one.

I Don't believe you have, cause you wouldn't of raised the "has anyone had a battery die ? have they been told or forced to buy a new unit ?" this was the supporters defense and i went over it again & again & again & again & again
I'm not trying to change your opinion mate, i'm pointing out what's happened in the past and how it's effected the future.If you choose to ignore it that's your decision.

Regards
Impactops

[JIMMYQ]

None of these cloned Abritus products has ever come close to original. We had ORV commander, which offered full opel, renault and volvo commander functions. My friend bought one as he liked my original so much, what a waste of ?600 that was for him.

These latest clones from what i hear are made by the FLY company, who brought us such junk as FLY100 family interfaces which uses over patched software and does nothing like even a straight cloned IDS can do. Id be very very warey of spending thousands of dollars on which looks to me as a box that might look like an AVDI, but guaranteed no way will it work like one.

If you want an AVDI, buy original and add functions as you need them. This way it will work as its meant to, be future proof with free updates. And 100% you wont regret it.

Agree with you 100% id be willing to spend more and more with abritus and avdi just cant beat them. well worth every penny today tommorow. Even if i was offered a clone for a quarter of the price id rather invest the same in a genuine license and build my tool :congrats:

[paul_12345]

impactops you keep telling people to read threads and saying things have been covered before well guess what the battery issue has been done to death before.

I would personally still be a bit bothered about it if I brought AVDI, but as others have said its been out for quite a long time so although it will die at some point it will have long paid for itself I'm sure with things that no other programmer can do even if worse case abritus wasn't around anymore to fix it.

Also if paid via credit card in the UK you have some protection even a few years down the line.

[impactops]

impactops you keep telling people to read threads and saying things have been covered before well guess what the battery issue has been done to death before.

It's only been done to death cause it was being denied that it even existed right from the beginning in the old software section that no longer exists anymore, then they went into shock when they realised there might be some truth in it, while some of the supporters still kept denying it existed and they will go into shock again if they think it won't happen to them and it does

Regards
Impactops

[willywonker2010]

always the same
whers the ford modules
only 1 I bloody want lol
see who his first to report
good or no good

[adamgr]

Martin when you say 8c clone . to what chip?

Sorry got my tag update but not installed it yet . I thought it was just more eprom funtions

[drakov]

Is that your opinion or one that you have been instructed to give?

I say this cause it is the usual folk that voice how good the product is when either their is a competeing product (if you can call it that) or it is being critisized for features that are not working the way their ment too

It's my opinion based on my own experience I have with AVDI, as is with every opinion I give, have you ever considered the fact that everyone who has a positive thing to say about AVDI is because it's actually down to good results?


Now i'm confused, members like obdmaster & Drakov have been justifying every complaint that has been made about the product as something that should be overlooked because of the features it has and what it does.Each time someone has made a complaint in the past regarding the support being terrible they have been shot down in flames & ridiculed as if they were purposely complaining just to give the product a bad name.

Now if the support has come a long way since last year, why do you think that is?

Regards
Impactops

Well if you read back on every thread I have replied in about AVDI you will see I have based every post on my own experience and also asked (in more than one thread for members to be specific with there details) but I'll cover that later, regarding obdmaster's comments all I can say is I know 100% he has used and invested 100% (no not freebies) in AVDI, his workload has workload has increased enormously, and I'm sure the direction for the future also, he has invested a LOT of money because he see's an earning potential (something I doubt he would have done without AVDI), as for the support coming on a long way, i doubt that has anything to do with anything said on DK but more to do with the fact AVDI continually update there software, but that's just my thoughts.


I've read enough of these abritus threads on DK and fought plenty of battles in defending the facts to see that this was not always the case, many complained in the past about how poor the support was and in most cases they were dismissed.So all this support that is now being provided by kap has only come about because of their customers airing their greviences on DK and those who you say defend it cause it's worth defending were doing so cause of the incentives they were recieving which they streniously denied.

One thing is for certain, if your battery dies (for whatever reason) outside the warranty period, they will charge you to revive it by replacing the whole unit, which is what KAP has stated when this question was previously raised.So unless you've got the fvuckers stating in writing that they will replace it free of charge i wouldn't count on it happening considering that all this free support they are providing is the result of continuous complaints which left them no choice but to respond.

Regards
Impactops

As I said earlier, I have always asked for users to state who and where they bought from, funnily enough very few bothered to reply, what I will say is (and I don't want to promote anyone) but most of those who have good things to say about AVDI support are customers of KAP, now unless you are going to say that all of them are on 'the payroll' I think it's time to admit that perhaps the support is not as bad as you think it is and more a case of choosing the right reseller?


I Don't believe you have, cause you wouldn't of raised the "has anyone had a battery die ? have they been told or forced to buy a new unit ?" this was the supporters defense and i went over it again & again & again & again & again
I'm not trying to change your opinion mate, i'm pointing out what's happened in the past and how it's effected the future.If you choose to ignore it that's your decision.

Regards
Impactops

As you don't come from an locksmith background I can see your way of thinking, however for those that do know martin and his background, you will know he is world (yes world) renowed in his field and has NEVER tried to promote the product he is known for, he has actually shared a lot of info regarding it all free and without any PR, so for you to hint that he 'seems' to be on AVDI payroll is laughable, but as I said you don't know who he is or his background.


It's only been done to death cause it was being denied that it even existed right from the beginning in the old software section that no longer exists anymore, then they went into shock when they realised there might be some truth in it, while some of the supporters still kept denying it existed and they will go into shock again if they think it won't happen to them and it does

Regards
Impactops

Well I can't remember that far back, but I don't remember any threads where it was denied (infact, I can't recall any threads where it was even brought up?) but feel free to post any screenshots you may have so everyone can see


With regards to poor support... as I have always said if users actually said where they bought from and WHO was giving bad support it would help clear a lot up, for me personaly and many other pro AVDI users, have no issues regarding support, so to blame a company as a whole because of certain suppliers is wrong, my supplier offers great support so I can't (so far complain) if people have issues from there supplier about support I suggest they buy future licenses from other supplier's who offer good support?

[autofan1965]

Sorry but supplier have nothing to do when developer = big mistake. That someone see potential dont mean that this potential really exist. My friend buy from me my AVDI and update with new option. He drive 600km to make job and cant make it because next super fake description was released by this great company:). It is really big EARNING POTENTIAL for bulgarian who sell it to naive peopel! When someone will buy nice program with great fake buttons and really nice feauters in description I can only advice buy AVDI!

[impactops]

Sorry but supplier have nothing to do when developer = big mistake. That someone see potential dont mean that this potential really exist. My friend buy from me my AVDI and update with new option. He drive 600km to make job and cant make it because next super fake description was released by this great company:). It is really big EARNING POTENTIAL for bulgarian who sell it to naive peopel! When someone will buy nice program with great fake buttons and really nice feauters in description I can only advice buy AVDI!

This is a classic example let's see how long it takes for someone too shoot him down instead of trying find out what he's complaint is

@Drakov

If one is happy with what it does, then why go to extreme lengths to defend it? Especially when those who are defending it never did so in the past to that degree. Let others say whatever they want to say about it, because in my experience it does not matter how much negative press a good product has, if the claims made are untrue then people tend to ignore them and stick with the facts.That's right Drakov I don't have an autolocksmith background, i have a very low level software background.That was one of the arguements that was used to dismiss what i was saying, i have never used someone's background as an excuse to not believe in what they are saying, i've always examined the facts that are presented to determine whether or not they have merit.I do agree, that you have always taken what was being said into consideration, you have never dismissed anything and have always come back with a reasonable reponse to the questions and like i have stated before if i didn't know any better your relentless pursuit of providing support for this product would leave one to believe that you are a spoke person for them, considering the large customers base they have.How many of those go to the same lengths to defend it, isn't fair to say that the negative publicity has had little effect since people have chosen to make their own decsions in purchasing it. As for martin, he may be sincere in what he is saying regarding the product, meaning that he has no hidden agenda's.But looking at what has happened in the past you cannot blame someone for thinking he may not be, especially when there is a member on DK that is from KAP Diagnostics that does not represent himself as being an employee, but yet was involved in conversations in defence of his own products that others were not aware of.I believe that's what seperates DK from any other Automotive forum, in that people can voice there opinions without bias or hidden agenda's, once you loose that then it becomes a business where advice is not given in what is in the best interest of the member rather than a means to sell something that they might not necessarly need or on the grounds that not all the information is devulged to suit a particular agenda

Regards
Impactops

[maruti]

no other choice for avdi , only thing is high price

thanks

[impactops]

no other choice for avdi , only thing is high price.

That's why the price is high cause they know there is no other choice, you can argue the same for all the rest if you're one of those who feel disappointed, bad support, product does not do what's on the box....etc

[joemajdalani]

That's why the price is high cause they know there is no other choice, you can argue the same for all the rest if you're one of those who feel disappointed, bad support, product does not do what's on the box....etc

Price is high because they employ a lot of Engineers for continuous sw development (sw don't grow on trees) & support staff,all these people must get paid somehow.As far as support we don't have any problems here,send logs & normally within 24 hours get reply & problems normally resolved.

[vincent123]

this so call clone is 100% not working on the special function. Still Vag 8.6 inside.

[impactops]

Price is high because they employ a lot of Engineers for continuous sw development (sw don't grow on trees) & support staff,all these people must get paid somehow.As far as support we don't have any problems here,send logs & normally within 24 hours get reply & problems normally resolved.

Are you saying that if a competing product is developed (that works) that performs all the functions at a lower price, they will not drop their prices to match it?

They won't be able to right, cause they're just breaking even with all the engineers they have to employ.

[richyhuang]

wait the avdi pull price down

[54321]

At the present time the AVDI original is working well for me, no complaints and has done 95% of what i've asked it to do.

At the end of the day it seems as though whatever issues they had in the past have now been resolved.

I understand there are a few that feel that there is too much water under the bridge and they don't want to support AVDI becuase of whats gone on in the past, fair enough, understandable. But there are also a lot who simply don't care what went on in the past and just want a tool that works, which the AVDI does (in my personal experience, owned for 1 year).

If a tool is a good investment for you personally, i.e it will pay for itself within a resonable time and carry on earning you money then its worth having, buy it, earn money, spend, enjoy, simplez.

[joemajdalani]

Are you saying that if a competing product is developed (that works) that performs all the functions at a lower price, they will not drop their prices to match it?

They won't be able to right, cause they're just breaking even with all the engineers they have to employ.

I don't think a young new product will come on the market with AVDI'S functions,will take time to develop & they would need to start selling before fully functional to return some of investment, like many tools out there.

[impactops]

At the present time the AVDI original is working well for me, no complaints and has done 95% of what i've asked it to do.

At the end of the day it seems as though whatever issues they had in the past have now been resolved.

There lies the contradiction, there has been 3 already that have said that their support has improved over the past year, but yet according to there die hard supporters this was never a problem the support has always been there, just that it is constantly improving like there products constantly being in developement as it has been put in the past.

[impactops]

I don't think a young new product will come on the market with AVDI'S functions,will take time to develop & they would need to start selling before fully functional to return some of investment, like many tools out there.

The point i was making was in response to the comment you made regarding the reason as to why the prices were high, it has more to do with there being no competition as to why the prices are high as compared to running costs of the business.

As to the development of functions, i can only speak in part for the vag stuff, there is none or very little at least.Most of it gets ripped off the dealer tool and implemented into there product, that's why there are plenty of vag features and are constantly updated.

[keysph]

aaaa too much offtopic here nobody do something about that?

[obdmaster]

There lies the contradiction, there has been 3 already that have said that their support has improved over the past year, but yet according to there die hard supporters this was never a problem the support has always been there, just that it is constantly improving like there products constantly being in developement as it has been put in the past.

Support is the distributors job, and there are quite a few distributors world wide, I can only comment on my distributor (as unlike you impactops. I dont comment on things i have no experience with!!) And my distributor is second to none on support, i have other tools from other distributors in the uk, And i can honestly 300% say that the AVDI distributor gives far far better support than any other original tool i own.

[gadroulll]

i have heard about the battery that dies the product. The law will support that if a machine has been damaged by bad manufacture design the device must be replaced by the company without cost.
So in the europian union everyone can obligate the company by law to change his machine free of charge.

only the foods have expire of date no the machines .

[impactops]

Support is the distributors job, and there are quite a few distributors world wide, I can only comment on my distributor (as unlike you impactops. I dont comment on things i have no experience with!!).

What experience is required to see that one group of people are stating that there was never a problem with support and the other stating it's better than what it used to be??? Are you saying that they are lieing?

With all of your experience why don't you go and help autofan who has made a complaint and none of you seem to have responded or is what he is saying true and his problem can't be fixed

[impactops]

i have heard about the battery that dies the product. The law will support that if a machine has been damaged by bad manufacture design the device must be replaced by the company without cost.
So in the europian union everyone can obligate the company by law to change his machine free of charge.

only the foods have expire of date no the machines .

They don't like talking about the battey mate it's been talked to death as it's been put, but if it came to that i don't think any law would be able to help you.The damages bill would be so high that they would just take the money and run, you would be talking about every single unit sold if all their customers pursued a case against them

[obdmaster]

What experience is required to see that one group of people are stating that there was never a problem with support and the other stating it's better than what it used to be??? Are you saying that they are lieing?

With all of your experience why don't you go and help autofan who has made a complaint and none of you seem to have responded or is what he is saying true and his problem can't be fixed


Im talking about first hand experience about AVDI support to which you have none. If autofan has a problem , let him sort it with his supplier. Rather than you ranting and ranting on about a product support to which you have no first hand experience.

Good night Impactops m8 :top:

[impactops]

If autofan has a problem , let him sort it with his supplier. Rather than you ranting and ranting on about a product support to which you have no first hand experience.

He obviously hasn't sorted it out with his supplier has he, if he's airing his grievencies on DK.The perception you guys give is that they haven't bothered to contact thier supplier first, they come to DK to complain.You can't sit there one minute promoting the product to the n'th degree but dismiss the crticism as if it is the customers fault.I'm not ranting on about product support, i'm pointing out the discrepancies in the story in that support given has always been adequate, but yet others are pointing out that has not always been the case.

Why don't you get smalliron to come on and sort out his problem?

Again someone else has raised their concerns about the battery

[Fallen]

Ok boys, line up for your free poke in the eyes. Any chance we can get this topic back on track?

[rrador]

He obviously hasn't sorted it out with his supplier has he, if he's airing his grievencies on DK.The perception you guys give is that they haven't bothered to contact thier supplier first, they come to DK to complain.You can't sit there one minute promoting the product to the n'th degree but dismiss the crticism as if it is the customers fault.I'm not ranting on about product support, i'm pointing out the discrepancies in the story in that support given has always been adequate, but yet others are pointing out that has not always been the case.

Why don't you get smalliron to come on and sort out his problem?

Again someone else has raised their concerns about the battery

why do you keep beating a dead horse....you obviously dont have AVDI so why talk about it so much? If you spent as much time working as reading forums about VADI problems you'd probably make enough money to buy one.....
Had one for almost 2 years, bought directly from abrites and no problems so far with anythig, support was always there when needed....will be buying more functions as I'm expanding my business

but I got paid to say this so take it with a grain of salt :)

now back on topic...anyone know what software version is on this new clone

[impactops]

I wonder why it's gone off topic??, like any other clone avdi thread the usual folk come out and talk about the original, promoting how they would not even spend money on the clone without a single person expressing their experiences about the clone.If you keep bringing the horse out where it doesn't belong then it will get beaten to death, it's ok to critisize a clone that no one has bought yet, no real testing has been done, but yet when the original is criticized all hell breaks loose.

Every clone thread has been like this, the same people bashing the zfvuck out of it before the pro's & con's can even be discussed.

I wonder why that is?

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f172/avdi-abritus-318921/

Why don't you go help them out Obdmaster instead of coming on here and spinning shit on how marvelous there support is, let me guess there lieing too?

[912secured]

I used the real one not 100 percent but ok. The base unit is only 1000 us. Going to buy one legit come summer time chrysler pin read via obd2, (can read pin manually from 2011+ fobik a/b eeprom) and going to buy bmw cas read write for new type where you need one key still. Have units that overlap tango 300' x100 vvdi real tko use the sbb clones (real tko and mvp have broke before) boycot AD after they left over 50 percent of the eeprom emptie. Could of fixed problems in dongles (they do right now on pro, and not paying 2 tokens 56 at 10. To program 2011 gm in 12 minutes cost over 100 usd. I see why greg left more options out their and money slowing up).

[Qrius]

Ok boys, line up for your free poke in the eyes. Any chance we can get this topic back on track?

Is that all you can up with ? (2x)
I shame myself for people like you !!

If i read back your posts , you had trouble yourself with AVDI in the past . problems that get solved here on DK , not with your "Abritus Support" is it ??

I sugest you poke yourself for that !

[Fallen]

I shame myself for people like you indeed...

Cleopatra also predicts the red monkey will chair.

Now has anybody got anything to say relevant to the topic?

[obdmaster]

I wonder why it's gone off topic??, like any other clone avdi thread the usual folk come out and talk about the original, promoting how they would not even spend money on the clone without a single person expressing their experiences about the clone.If you keep bringing the horse out where it doesn't belong then it will get beaten to death, it's ok to critisize a clone that no one has bought yet, no real testing has been done, but yet when the original is criticized all hell breaks loose.

Every clone thread has been like this, the same people bashing the zfvuck out of it before the pro's & con's can even be discussed.

I wonder why that is?

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f172/avdi-abritus-318921/

Why don't you go help them out Obdmaster instead of coming on here and spinning shit on how marvelous there support is, let me guess there lieing too?

Im merely saying my PERSONAL experience with AVDI how you can comment, i have no idea as you have never had any personal experience with this company !!!!!:roflmao: But you go on and on about this comapany why???? Its you who is spinning the shit as usual Why you must go on and on , about a company who you have had no business with, really baffles me.;)

[lidons]

I follow this topic, if you leave something for people who do not have cash for real AVDI.

but I think they are just talking, people avdi payroll. or friends them. we all know the benefits of a real-AVDI.

Whoever buys a clone known of his errors,

[impactops]

Im merely saying my PERSONAL experience with AVDI how you can comment, i have no idea as you have never had any personal experience with this company !!!!!:roflmao: But you go on and on about this comapany why???? Its you who is spinning the shit as usual Why you must go on and on , about a company who you have had no business with, really baffles me.;)


http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/orginal-abritus-avdi-commander-bugs-not-working-options-230827/

It's the same shit here, stomping on those who make complaints & i'm not invovled until i question why those who complain about it get stomped on, after that they all disappear

When reading keep in mind that smalliron is from KAP Diagnostics

regards
Impactops

[clearly]

I dont see what you are all moaning about


If you have the genuine device and have a issue please speak with your distributor


If you dont have a AVDI. You need to get one and stop moaning get a life.

[impactops]

I dont see what you are all moaning about

If you have the genuine device and have a issue please speak with your distributor

If you dont have a AVDI. You need to get one and stop moaning get a life.

No one's come out to tell him to keep on topic???

Have you just come out of a coma blind mate?
The last post has a link containing 11 pages of members who have owned one and are airing their grievences.

It's clear clearly, you are unclear with what you are clearly talking about.

[mlulic]

I have the original Avdi and plenty of options for vag, but not all.From my personal experience I can say that I am satisfied with the tool
No tools are not expensive if it works (If you have a job)

[54321]

So in this thread at this current time (March 2013) there has not been one single post complaining about the original AVDI (except impactops of course :sleep:), infact almost everybody who has posted has been somebody saying that they are happy with their original. So either everybody is on the Abrites payroll and its all one big conspiracy :stupid: or maybe just maybe Kap/Abrites have sorted the issues of the past.

[impactops]

So in this thread at this current time (March 2013) there has not been one single post complaining about the original AVDI (except impactops of course :sleep:), infact almost everybody who has posted has been somebody saying that they are happy with their original. So either everybody is on the Abrites payroll and its all one big conspiracy :stupid: or maybe just maybe Kap/Abrites have sorted the issues of the past.

Post 65????

I like the way you've set the conditions, so if there are no compalints from this point onwards and only on this thread then the product is perfect!!! :laugh:
What about the link i posted in post 86, Ooooh that's right it's not on this thread, the fact that they have been completely ignored is irelevant.

So in this thread, like all clone threads in the past, it gets dominated by the same individuals who only want to promote the original by trashing the clone, but when crticism is hurlded the other way with an overwhelming amount of evidence to support their claims all hell breaks loose.

[rapidlocksmiths]

but why would you wish to support a clone product ?

A clone involves theft , theft of someones intellectural property rights and theft of software and copyright theft , all crimes in most countries outside china .

buying one may not be a crime , but in buying one you support theft and support these crimes , even feed it , so why would anyone want to support crime ?

clones are counter productive and on the whole do more harm than good , yet you happily support these ?

The one undeniable fact that you cannot ignore is that all of the comments praising the original product and kap diagnostics support as excellent , all come from people who have bought and use a genuine product from kap , all come from people with genuine 1st hand experience , not based on 3rd party info or hear say .

if weighing up any debate , i wouldnt totally dismiss anyones view or opinion , but i would certainly believe genuine 1st hand experience well before hear say .

[impactops]

but why would you wish to support a clone product.

It does not matter why, if those who are interested should be able to do so without having the same individuals thrust the original down their throats.There not idiots, they know if it costs 1/10 of the original there going to get 1/10 of the features working they just want to know which ones and if it's relevant to them.It does not matter whether you or me like it, they can't discuss it?


A clone involves theft , theft of someones intellectural property rights and theft of software and copyright theft , all crimes in most countries outside china.

It's a funny thing when morality is brought into the conversation, winding back the odometer (other than replacing the original) is not theft?
If i use the original interface it's "original theft" as compared using the clone "clone theft"?
If Abritus were to drop all odometer features, what percentage of cutomers would that effect, 20%?, 50%??.
What about the poor bastards that have purchased these vehicles??


if weighing up any debate , i wouldnt totally dismiss anyones view or opinion , but i would certainly believe genuine 1st hand experience well before hear say.

"I have never taken performance enhancing drugs", 10 years he was giving his 1st hand experience and look what happend to him.Alot of you guys make that point, but it does not help those who have legitimate problems.it is like your saying to them that since i have no problem then no problem exists.

[djorgensen]

Sometimes people buy cloned because the original is expensive.

4k for a clone is too much and it wont sell at that price

IMHO I think there a number of tools which are over priced. AVDI should adopt lower prices and a subscription model like everyone else with a brain.

[paul_12345]

looks like the 4k usd is just for BMW&Benz&VW seems the full atm is $6800 ish

[keysph]

Martin when you say 8c clone . to what chip?
Seems like TK5561!!!
What chip is that??????

[rapidlocksmiths]

I agree that prices for genuine equipment is expensive , but anyone who develops or invents deserves to earn from their work , anyone who develops a product , keeps it updated and brings it to market deserves to earn from it without fear of it being stolen and copied .

Original equipment is expensive , but rates for the jobs are also proportionate , otherwise no one could afford it .

I wonder how many who use clones admit this to their customers , i wonder how many who buy 2nd hand remotes and keys and put them in new covers sell as 2nd hand or new , i wonder how many that use copy products lower their labour and parts charges accordingly ?

clones are counter productive as by there very existence they push the price of original equipment higher , they also bring down job rates with the undercutters , so extremely counter productive .

buy and use clones supports theft and is harmfull to all long term as developers are forced to charge more or stop releasing new products entirely , so are more hinderence than help.

if anyone has an issue with a product then this should be taken up with their seller , instead you prefer to slate a company who offers excellent support by 1st hand experience of their customers , though rather than give credit where due you prefer to claim everybody is on the payroll , which is quite lame .

if the chinese devised their own cost effective piece of kit rather than steal someone elses , then id be praising them , theft is theft no matter how you bag it and to buy and use is supporting such theft and feeding it to increase it .

[rapidlocksmiths]

Seems like TK5561!!!
What chip is that??????

TK5561A-PP Atmel | TK5561A-PP-ND | DigiKey (http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en/rf-if-and-rfid/rfid-transponders-tags/3539637?k=TK5561)

this one im told

[impactops]

As you can see paul_12345, you are never going to be able to talk about abritus clones, just as the topic was back on track with you and djorgensen, keysph asks a question now when rapidlocksmith made that point 3 pages ago and rapidlocksmith has official joined the propaganda club cause he has completely ignore the points i have made, congratulations mate.

The same people that were complaining it was off topic are making sure it stays that way

[PremierD]

Original thread ...
"avdi hacked again? fly fvdi."

Lets keep it to that please.

[vanos batam]

it was nice. we are all going to enjoy it, the market price of china will fall from 7000usd to 200usd (next year). should not be seen from the quality of the view is the price. Avdi bassic full software is cheap but very expensive. why not if china avdi hacked we all enjoy. after two weeks I will bring Avdi clone and I'll tell you (google transl)

bestregard

[paul_12345]

it was nice. we are all going to enjoy it, the market price of china will fall from 7000usd to 200usd (next year). should not be seen from the quality of the view is the price. Avdi bassic full software is cheap but very expensive. why not if china avdi hacked we all enjoy. after two weeks I will bring Avdi clone and I'll tell you (google transl)

bestregard

it wont drop that much if it works, for one thing they've kept the battery and probably have their own firmware checks, so cloning the clone wont be easy and I can't see anyone spending the money to clone the clone when they'd have to sell it for less

That why vvdi hasn't been cloned

[vanos batam]

it wont drop that much if it works, for one thing they've kept the battery and probably have their own firmware checks, so cloning the clone wont be easy and I can't see anyone spending the money to clone the clone when they'd have to sell it for less

That why vvdi hasn't been cloned


you're right. but maybe someone in the company Avdi treason and selling secrets about Avdi to china.
:canabis:

[54321]

Post 65????

I like the way you've set the conditions, so if there are no compalints from this point onwards and only on this thread then the product is perfect!!! :laugh:
What about the link i posted in post 86, Ooooh that's right it's not on this thread, the fact that they have been completely ignored is irelevant.

So in this thread, like all clone threads in the past, it gets dominated by the same individuals who only want to promote the original by trashing the clone, but when crticism is hurlded the other way with an overwhelming amount of evidence to support their claims all hell breaks loose.
Who said the product was perfect?? The tool is not perfect, no tool is and this thread is not the be all and end all of AVDI complaints. Post 65 I couldn't really understand to be honest and your link in post 86 contains 2 people complaining about the kap forum. My point is every company has some unhappy customers along the way, kap/abrites don't seem to have an excessive amount of complaints at this present time, this thread and your example posts show that. I'm sure all of us shop and have products from companies with unhappy customers, that's part and parcel of running a business, you can't please em all, but I don't think that warrants constantly bashing a product that is working well for a lot of people and is performing tasks that no other tool can at present.

[impactops]

@54321

For every point you make i can come up with 10 counter points, but they are back on track now so why are we even discussing this???

[datapage]

who develops tools, not original (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC).
COPY key of automakers (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC).
hakear internal software mcu etc (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC).
ABOUT CHINA STEALS? COPY?
AVDI bought seedkey manufacturer (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC)? I doubt it.
Do not understand who copies who.
as have access to seedkeys attempts? I doubt it.
explain.

[paul_12345]

found version numbers

AVDI Software Version:
1.VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda V17.0;
2.Mercedes/Smart/Maybach V5.11;
3.BMW V9.6;
4.Porsche V4.1;
5.OPEL/VAUXHALL V5.8;
6.Peugeot/Citroen V5.10;
7.Fiat/Alfa/Lancia V5.1 ;
8.Renault V5.2;
9.Toyota/Lexus V4.2;
10.Hyundai/KIA V1.5 ;
11.Nissan/Infiniti V4.2;
12.TAG Key Tool V5.6;

*just confirmed on fly website more info here
http://116.254.221.238/avdi/avdi_fvdi_info.rar

[keysph]

No battery on PCB? :afraid: Is better than the original :D

[paul_12345]

also worth noting the version dont correspond to the abritus release dates properly which indicates that the software has been done 1 at a time and patched.

So its clearly not been hacked at hardware level fully else I dont see why there would be a need for touching the software, so I wouldn't be suprised if it was buggy etc.

[paul_12345]

No battery on PCB? :afraid: Is better than the original :D

there is a battery top left on the pics its just small and soldered on.. although seem like it might be a supercapacitor so seems like fly reads DK!!

[wintesla]

who develops tools, not original (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC).
COPY key of automakers (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC).
hakear internal software mcu etc (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC).
ABOUT CHINA STEALS? COPY?
AVDI bought seedkey manufacturer (GM, FIAT, FORD, VOLVO, VAG, ETC)? I doubt it.
Do not understand who copies who.
as have access to seedkeys attempts? I doubt it.
explain.

Are you sure?
Take Vas or odis and make key, or adapt second hand ecu on a6,q7 and etc

Take Ops or i com and make key, or change coding how you wand or reprogram what you want

Take clip or vi aliance and make card on new megan 3 and another thing (some thing write directly in ecu, dash or etc)

Take Consult and make key (on new xtrail 2013 for example ,with gtr card need to much experience)

Take Gds and make key on new insignia 2013.....

Take Ford ids and compare what avdi have but on very easy way and also some other thing what Ids not have.

If you have job you can take money from customer and you can buy good tool with update, support and possibility to make what other cant.

[Maartinj]

found version numbers

AVDI Software Version:
1.VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda V17.0;


And what inc that version ?
Who know which update it have ?

[digimile]

hi
is this work....and from where to buy ..????
thanks

[phara0n]

abritus begin to make some other protection, like some function can be done only via Connecting to some Abrites servers :
[26-Feb-2013] Abrites Commander for VAG 18.0 released

* !!!HIT!!! - New Special function implemented - AN041:
- EDC17/MED17 PIN/CS/MAC read by OBDII!!!
- Both TP2.0 and UDS engines are supported!
- Supported are ImmoIII, ImmoIV and ImmoV systems, but ImmoV systems don't have MAC/PIN, only CS inside
- Online connection required!. Free for all owners of AN014

[sparkz02]

So Abrites are getting worried after all, to be honest internet connection is good in most places, I believe that most tools, should use internet if it stops it being cloned so be it.

I much rather there was no clones in the world and if you want something you pay the price. I do believe that developers deserve their money, no-one should work for free.

But if clones are made and they do work, then suppose I will like most people have to use them.. alongside original tools.

[paul_12345]

So Abrites are getting worried after all, to be honest internet connection is good in most places, I believe that most tools, should use internet if it stops it being cloned so be it.

I much rather there was no clones in the world and if you want something you pay the price. I do believe that developers deserve their money, no-one should work for free.

But if clones are made and they do work, then suppose I will like most people have to use them.. alongside original tools.

the internet connect is nothing to do with the clone, else why is all the other stuff not need internet, its either a technical reason or they are just trying to protect EDC17 from being sniffed etc by other tool makers.

Also internet is the worse way to go to protect it, more things to go wrong and let you down when you need to use it, they could easily add a dongle in a way that can't be hacked until the dongle is.. just look at ICC

Also as already mentioned, sniffing obd is pretty much as bad as cloning which all of the original tool maker will do

[key point]

Just read the whole thread and many many points have been raised and answered before. Obviously no support with the clone, which we all need at times.

The support from KAP is as good as it normaly gets but was much better a couple of years ago when you could get tech support immedeately by phone. This has now stopped and a email must be sent.

I talked to them last week about this matter and support is to be looked at again and improved over the next couple of months.

Obviously in the early days, they were not too many of us that had AVDI in the UK and tech support for the few of us that had it was easy for KAP. Now there are plenty of users in UK and tech support is not so easy for them, especialy when users dont read the ******* manual.

[v-diag]

Just read the whole thread and many many points have been raised and answered before. Obviously no support with the clone, which we all need at times.

The support from KAP is as good as it normaly gets but was much better a couple of years ago when you could get tech support immedeately by phone. This has now stopped and a email must be sent.

I talked to them last week about this matter and support is to be looked at again and improved over the next couple of months.

Obviously in the early days, they were not too many of us that had AVDI in the UK and tech support for the few of us that had it was easy for KAP. Now there are plenty of users in UK and tech support is not so easy for them, especialy when users dont read the ******* manual.


funny you say that have had the abritus since day one but only used it here and there? the merc key never worked for me since day one, the reason i brought the tool?

got the mercedes w212/w204 mileage software, here it works ok, but there are plenty of versions like 2012/13 it won't do?
they have just released a new update, yet to test????

have just purchased the an028 vag update for mileage, to do a audi a7 have tried three cars all did not work ok can be understandable cause of the different version? supplier mr abritus reply is different version maybe next update?
only brought it for the a7 so i lost out?


also got the abprog now have had the programmer for two weeks emailed mr abritus no repley, emailed Kap diagnostics got a reply, a new software link. have tried 3-4 different times with software links but am still at stage one?

can be a fantastic tool for some but very frustrating for others?

[JustMeAgain]

50% off the Tag package with KAP. If customer service=remedial arithmatic??????????

Looks like theyre using a little VAT compensation in their advrtised figures to me.

Regular Price: ?1,730.84
Special Price: ?1,099.00

[912secured]

Using legit mvp after you had to log in and get 20 digit code (The 8 pin calc was good for a year,they did have purple test units given to beta testers/michael hyde, like how he uses a 20 year old picture for magazines). His mitsu can used 8 digit codes and others that where 20 still used 8 by articals in periodicals that never uses 20 in beta or regular stage. It made me lose job work plus at that time internet was slow and expensive. Had to teach girlfriend how to do it online only had 60 seconds to get info to and back. It was bullshit. You can get 4g prepaid hot spot devices but they do not always work. Most after market programmers ie AD ilco they logged dealers equipment, I can not see them reversing every ecu bcm pcm to every new car (DoYou)

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Clones will never be like original.
Sow who wrilly work on automotive electronics will get original,and he will be happy with.
I spent lot of money in AVDI ,and always get happy with.
Clones are for beginners and for people who make mileage for 20 Euro.

[cardoctor]

China and russia is king of electronic
It possible. Clone better then oryginal

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Go ahead and buy clone,try make some keys in new cars and let me know if work.

[912secured]

Kap has perfect tech support must be the people who call evey other day or more read the pdf'S The asian vvdi was good used at first to get cs for making a key with tango now does every thing by itself its selfish. Paul might be right it not just hardware it could be also software cracked to get to run. Site say somthing about softwae belonging to the company, and you do not have to buy all you can get BMw and the kia and tag tool are free. They kept the vw up untill they can sell the vvdi's left the price will go way down you get the nissan programmer calc old and new,kia/hyundai and tag key for 460 (was told not to mix up my avdi j2534 and soft with the other device or its on me). All ready have 4 laptops one for ford mazda and land rover jag and one that the soft cannot be connected to the intenet for updates/ the few clones I have. The software is highly modded for the fly unit, and it will not work like a normal passthrough with the avdi drivers, so hardware is changed alot (speculation on my part) The legit unit has simple instructions to use the soft that works with the passthrough. Techstream ssm gm gds/tech2emulation is worth it just bought a unit off of someone hardup and had them add chryslers pin reading and programming so when it updates I will get the prox addition (hope they add 2013 dart). I suggest buying the legit if your a locksmith you also get dess off on seadoo and skidoo untill most 2010's (buds brp) and BMW programming for only mid 400 euro's.

[ACDC]

I have found this on the internet:
ABRITES Commander for Mercedes/Smart/Maybach +Tag+Toyota+H&K_VAG Diagnostic Tools_Car Diagnostic Tools_Auto Scanner Tools_Auto Diagnostic Tools,Codes Reader,Auto Software, Key Programmer Suppliers from China-Cnautotool (http://www.cnautotool.com/goods-3259-ABRITES+Commander+for+MercedesSmartMaybach+TagToyo taHK.html)
It would be really worth it if this really is as good as the original AVDI. Has anyone had experience with these clones yet?
I'm thinking about buying one.

[gwee]

Clones will never be like original.
Sow who wrilly work on automotive electronics will get original,and he will be happy with.
I spent lot of money in AVDI ,and always get happy with.
Clones are for beginners and for people who make mileage for 20 Euro.

We use clones but we don't make mileage for 20 Euro.

In fact, we recover the cost of clone normally with less than one job.

How many jobs you need to recover the cost of your ORIGINAL?

[obdmaster]

We use clones but we don't make mileage for 20 Euro.

In fact, we recover the cost of clone normally with less than one job.

How many jobs you need to recover the cost of your ORIGINAL?

Look at my signature m8,:stupid:

If we dont support developers by buying original equipment, there will be no more tool development, thus we have no new tools and in the end no job, and china stop making tools , as they have no tools to clone !!:stupid:

[automan123]

@912secured......infact I'm not understand what ur talking about because its too high tech for me..... but I'm enjoying ur post.
@cardoctor & gwee........1000000% agreed
@obdmaster.....imho...if original developer didnt charge too much for their price.... then nothing for chinese to clone too

[obdmaster]

@912secured......infact I'm not understand what ur talking about because its too high tech for me..... but I'm enjoying ur post.
@cardoctor & gwee........1000000% agreed
@obdmaster.....imho...if original developer didnt charge too much for their price.... then nothing for chinese to clone too

Chinese will clone anything worth cloning, look at renault true code. Original is ?600, chinese clone it. UPA USB ?300 original, chinese clone it, the list continues.

We must support developers otherwise, no development, no new tools, nothin for chinese to clone, we have no job. Vicous circle

[chriskross]

I have found this on the internet:
ABRITES Commander for Mercedes/Smart/Maybach +Tag+Toyota+H&K_VAG Diagnostic Tools_Car Diagnostic Tools_Auto Scanner Tools_Auto Diagnostic Tools,Codes Reader,Auto Software, Key Programmer Suppliers from China-Cnautotool (http://www.cnautotool.com/goods-3259-ABRITES+Commander+for+MercedesSmartMaybach+TagToyo taHK.html)
It would be really worth it if this really is as good as the original AVDI. Has anyone had experience with these clones yet?
I'm thinking about buying one.


it is really funny these clones are a piece of *****

they just copied the decription of very old vagcommander version.

Extracting Security access code / PIN (EDC15, ME7.x, VAG-Cartronic ME7.8, EDC16, EDC17, MED9.x, Simos PPD)
- Extracting Component security bytes (EDC15, ME7.x, VAG-Cartronic ME7.8, EDC16, MED17.5.1, MED 9.x, Simos PPD


EDC 17 and MED 17 is just working fine in newest version V18.

save your money or buy the original :beer:
otherwise i wish you all good luck, if you will need any help in there bug versions, ask the chinese guys for support i am sure they will tell you buy a new ecu. :roflmao:

[rapidlocksmiths]

We use clones but we don't make mileage for 20 Euro.

In fact, we recover the cost of clone normally with less than one job.

How many jobs you need to recover the cost of your ORIGINAL?

How can you be proud of the fact you buy and use clones ? you are supporting a form of theft .

The originals may not pay back in 1 job , but they do pay back and profit long into the future , long after the clones have died , surely if using knock offs you have no need to charge professional rates , after all im sure you would like to pass on your savings to your customers from not investing in genuine kit and telling them you dont use genuine kit but prefer to use knock off to keep prices down.

im thankfull that chris at true code , abrites 72 , advanced diagnostics and peter at lock decoders keep developing , without such people none of us would be working , have you ever considered that the price is high because of clones and those that use them ?
these developers spend years developing in some cases for others to rip them off , those that develop deserve a living too .

the only thing that those that use clones are doing is killing the future of this job for everyone including themselves .

i look at the clone abrites and think is it worth it ?

1) those that bought orv wasted money , most didnt work and what did has fast become outdated
2) those that bought vvdi had better deal as at least immo plus software was updated but this too is outdated
3) now you are expected to by fly copy on promise it may work

so to keep up to date you must buy all 3 , then when this is outdated another and then another , it never stops.

at some point it would have been cheaper to buy the original in 1st place !

look at ak300 for bmw , 6 months ago was over 2000 usd still for 12 months prior to this was even dearer , now its under 400 usd as out of date .

if no one buys the fly kit , in 6 months it will be under 1000 usd

[vanos batam]

getting into trouble with the artificial device that is normal, but if getting into trouble with the tool oryginal was very sad.

[paul_12345]

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/avdi-hacked-again-fly-fvdi-322327/index8.html#post1895575

:)

[gwee]

How can you be proud of the fact you buy and use clones ? you are supporting a form of theft .

The originals may not pay back in 1 job , but they do pay back and profit long into the future , long after the clones have died , surely if using knock offs you have no need to charge professional rates , after all im sure you would like to pass on your savings to your customers from not investing in genuine kit and telling them you dont use genuine kit but prefer to use knock off to keep prices down.

im thankfull that chris at true code , abrites 72 , advanced diagnostics and peter at lock decoders keep developing , without such people none of us would be working , have you ever considered that the price is high because of clones and those that use them ?
these developers spend years developing in some cases for others to rip them off , those that develop deserve a living too .

the only thing that those that use clones are doing is killing the future of this job for everyone including themselves .

i look at the clone abrites and think is it worth it ?

1) those that bought orv wasted money , most didnt work and what did has fast become outdated
2) those that bought vvdi had better deal as at least immo plus software was updated but this too is outdated
3) now you are expected to by fly copy on promise it may work

so to keep up to date you must buy all 3 , then when this is outdated another and then another , it never stops.

at some point it would have been cheaper to buy the original in 1st place !

look at ak300 for bmw , 6 months ago was over 2000 usd still for 12 months prior to this was even dearer , now its under 400 usd as out of date .

if no one buys the fly kit , in 6 months it will be under 1000 usd

I am not proud using clones, over 70% here in this immo forum using clones, just don't like to be insulted by other saying that we do mileage for 20 euro!

In this forum, we try to help each others not insulting people and showing off with ORIGINAL stuffs.

See the thread under zedbull effi, you will understand how many people using clones.

There are countries strictly prohibit using clones, like Singapore and some European countries.

If the clone is a bad clone, definately will buy the original, and when I do a Job in Singapore, I will use original too because I do not wish to break the law there.

Anyway, it is a choice that people make, if buying clones and cannot get the job done, we deserve it!

Let us move on, this thread is about fly avdi. Is for people who use it and give the report, not for clone or original debate.

Cheers..:top: and have a nice day!!

[bram380]

I see there is the worry of the buyer's original equipment.
How not to worry, expensive equipment such as X-prog M, Rosfar, Benz SKC (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/benz-skc-calculator-250625/), Carprog, Zed-Bull, etc.... now sold freely at very low compared to the original price.
Of course, the resulting rivalry workshop service charge that is not fair.
And this makes the original equipment purchaser has a condition "syndrome afraid to compete."

Clone or not it is their own affair, and certainly they have to calculate the pros and cons.

[obdiidiag1986]

here upload some details for FVDI

[key point]

I personnaly do not use clone equipment but will say to all of you that do use clone AVDI.

Do not pass on your savings to the customer!!!

It is bad enough that someone in my area buys a clone for a fraction of the price i paid for a origional, but it would add insult to injury if they were doing jobs with it at a silly low price.

I dont agree with buying clones, but how do we define the term "clone". There are very few devices that we class as origional that were not copied off of something else. LOL.

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Well i pay lts of money for my AVDI but i can say 100% clone wil never be like original,here i speak specialy for AVDI.
Users will see that i say the true,i cannot say more for the moment.
Most jobs started with AVDI clones will not be ended with succes.
Users can see and confirm that

[smt]

this is the avdi clone latest update:

VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda V17.0
Mercedes/Smart/Maybach V5.11
BMW V9.6
Porsche V4.1
OPEL/VAUXHALL V5.8
Peugeot/Citroen V5.10
Fiat/Alfa/Lancia V5.1
Renault V5.2
Toyota/Lexus V4.2
Hyundai/KIA V1.5
Nissan/Infiniti V4.2
TAG Key Tool V5.6

[smt]

can any one post the original latest version to compare with clone

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Do you see in your face clone with this versions working?
Chinese can say on their website what they want,or can modify the software to write new version ,but firmware and more thinks are mising

[rapidlocksmiths]

and here lies the problem , chinese sellers often make such claims that turn out false, anything can be written on a website .

its still a brave person who risks paying what they are asking for an untested and unproven knock off , knowing if tat they will have lost their money , knowing also that in a few months it will be a quarter of price they paid now.

if the chinese knock off merchants are so clever then why not develop ground breaking original equipment instead of stealing from others , surely this would be a more ethical and more profitable way if they are as good as they claim .

[gwee]

Do you see in your face clone with this versions working?
Chinese can say on their website what they want,or can modify the software to write new version ,but firmware and more thinks are mising

I am not Chinese, but let's don't practice racism here. That is how war started you know!

OK, everyone here already know that your ORIGINAL work very VERY VERY well, give others a chance to try out the FLY AVDI.

Please......

[diagnoza_auto2000]

You can try ,make some movies and post here.

Please.....

[gwee]

I don't need to make a movie m8.

I will buy one next week, and I will try and give a full report to ONLY the dear members here who are interested to know.

I am not trying to say that Clone work as well as original, or to target anyone.

Sometime we just need to be more KIND in the words we used.

[oep]

Oppa gangnam style

[flasch14]

Today I received from ... xxxxxxxxx new update vag comander v 18 and added to the VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda V18.0 free
Mercedes / Smart / Maybach V6.0 free
BMW v10.0 free
Porsche V4.1 free
OPEL / VAUXHALL V6.0 free
Peugeot / Citroen V6.1 free
Fiat / Alfa / Lancia V5.1 free
Renault V5.2 free
Toyota / Lexus v4.4 free
Hyundai / KIA V1.7 free
Nissan / Infiniti V4.2 free
TAG Key Tool v5.8 free
Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep V3.0 free

[paul_12345]

seems they are saying tpx cloning over the internet works too at the minute at least.

seems abritus have got a bit of work to do if all true

Also if they have new versions this quick, I'd strongly suspect they have hacked the firmware very well and dont need to patch software, or maybe they are just patching software to add protection from cloning themselves.

[paul_12345]

I personnaly do not use clone equipment but will say to all of you that do use clone AVDI.

Do not pass on your savings to the customer!!!

It is bad enough that someone in my area buys a clone for a fraction of the price i paid for a origional, but it would add insult to injury if they were doing jobs with it at a silly low price.

I dont agree with buying clones, but how do we define the term "clone". There are very few devices that we class as origional that were not copied off of something else. LOL.

Its been said before unless your prepared to state rough prices you cant complain what people charge as they dont even know they are undercutting.

also someone whos spent 10k on the original key learning could still undercut you.

[gwee]

Just ordered Toyota / Lexus V4.4 for USD 420, FREE Hyundai / Kia, FREE Tag Key Tool

[key point]

Its been said before unless your prepared to state rough prices you cant complain what people charge as they dont even know they are undercutting.

also someone whos spent 10k on the original key learning could still undercut you.
Believe me, the beer boys know exactly what others are charging. They just cannot afford to miss out on the job, otherwise they will be sat in on a friday night watching coronation street with the wife instead of going down the pub with someone elses wife.

[Fallen]

I was just about to drop 8 grand on the VAG software too, think I might wait and see what happens next...

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Today I received from ... new update vag comander v 18 and added to the VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda V18.0 free
Mercedes / Smart / Maybach V6.0 free
BMW v10.0 free
Porsche V4.1 free
OPEL / VAUXHALL V6.0 free
Peugeot / Citroen V6.1 free
Fiat / Alfa / Lancia V5.1 free
Renault V5.2 free
Toyota / Lexus v4.4 free
Hyundai / KIA V1.7 free
Nissan / Infiniti V4.2 free
TAG Key Tool v5.8 free
Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep V3.0 free

Maiby you are seller .....
If not make some movies my friend where you shit clone work.

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Here is original pictures with V18.
One first mistake for chinese....
ABS Coding tab not exist in V18,only in old versions.
And for Key Tabs,look on your text format and tabs format.
Your clone is same as 8.6 but re-edited.

[key point]

Yes with latest version, ABS coding should now be automaticaly backed up.

[flyobd]

the fvdi is not clone

[54321]

the fvdi is not clone:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

[diagnoza_auto2000]

the fvdi is not clone

Fvdi = f....king vehicle diagnostic interface

[gwee]

Fvdi = f....king vehicle diagnostic interface

Good day mate!

I just cannot understand what is your problem, are you working for Abritus?

If not, you must be jealous that we are buying at a small fraction of what you had paid.

If FVDI it is not working, we will just throw it to the dustbin. No big deal, is only a very small amount.

Please mind your language, it is not pleasant to see words like that here. It really spoil the day you know.

Thank you.

[gwee]

the fvdi is not clone

Please don't make a fool out of yourself when you said FVDI is not clone.

You know the meaning of clone?

Are you with FLYOBD? If yes, business will be better for your company if you stop posting!!

[rapidlocksmiths]

the fvdi is not clone

so its not a clone , but you warn people not to try and update it as the software is owned by abrites 72 , in other words you stole it ?
so if not a clone what else can it be called ?

you are also conning people that its latest version by cosmetic changes to old software , would you call this honest ?

why not pay out money , develop your own software and kit that does as much or even more , then you have a real product to sell .

but dont worry too much if prefer selling clones , there are plenty who will support this vile trade.

[pandora6]

First Fvdi video (video is bad).
Video for FVDI 2012 BMW X5 - YouTube

[gwee]

First Fvdi video (video is bad).
Video for FVDI 2012 BMW X5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJeZVcUOIG0)

How to see?

[diagnoza_auto2000]

And what you can see there?
Show us the cable ,sow us how you make keys for that CAS3+ ,don t show us read dtc....
Maiby this is not clone,its just new simply diagnostic make with FVDI name and few more options,but not compare with AVDI,until you not prove.

[pierre renault]

Good morning everyone.
my opinion. if (ADL) was not so expensive I had not clones!
IADLs exaggerated prices! If I had not had lower prices clones and the money was all for them. Vale to sell a lot more for less money than a few very expensive. Therefore supporting clones

[pierre renault]

Good morning everyone.
my opinion. if (AVDI) was not so expensive I had not clones!
AVDI exaggerated prices! If I had not had lower prices clones and the money was all for them. Vale to sell a lot more for less money than a few very expensive. Therefore supporting clones

[topclef]

:wink:


fortunately that's your opinion :devil:
you don't know what you write , then you can continue to support the clone as you say .


Good morning everyone.
my opinion. if (ADL):questionmark::help: was not so expensive I had not clones!
IADLs :questionmark::help:exaggerated prices! If I had not had lower prices clones and the money was all for them. Vale to sell a lot more for less money than a few very expensive. Therefore supporting clones

[pierre renault]

unfortunately do not speak English. hope you're very happy with their criticisms.
A good day for you

[diagnoza_auto2000]

i hope AVDI price wil be always high and never drop down.
Because when price is down evry kid buy the tool and make services for 20 Euro

Pierre ,ca va?

[gwee]

Almost every post you see regarding avdi, it is always being constantly defended by the same individuals, but yet the criticism is from a variety of people.

I find it difficult to believe that alll these people with grievances have conspired together to defame the product on purpose.

Regards
Impactops


http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/orginal-abritus-avdi-commander-bugs-not-working-options-230827/index10.html

100% agreed.

[gwee]

We are not here to argue about the ORIGINAL or CLONE.

Just want to find out how the clone function.

That's all. Please........................the few "same individuals."

[diagnoza_auto2000]

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/orginal-abritus-avdi-commander-bugs-not-working-options-230827/index10.html

100% agreed.

And what you mean?

[gwee]

And what you mean?

Hi m8,

Good day!

I can fully understand your frustration. If I am having the original stuff now, I will be very unhappy to know that my competitors are using Clone which might have the similar functions.

In UK or EU, I think clones should not be even allowed to enter the countries. Because I believe there are copyright law.

In other parts of this world, pirated DVD are selling everywhere ( I don't mean China ), people are making USD 200 per month. No copyright law at all. People will not pay high price to make key like in UK. I don't even know where I can buy original barbie dvd for my daughter.

Is not that we cannot afford the Original, is just that we have to calculate how soon we can recover the investment. For sure, clone will not function 100% as the original (in rare occasion it might). But the main objective is to get the job done.

Hope you can understand our feelings when you said we are doing meter for 20 euro. Over 90% of the members here use clones!

Let's stop this argument now and be friend, I will add you now.

p.s. Tell Abrites to take action against those who use clones in your country.

Cheers....

[cjawahir]

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cj

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Hi m8,

Good day!

I can fully understand your frustration. If I am having the original stuff now, I will be very unhappy to know that my competitors are using Clone which might have the similar functions.

In UK or EU, I think clones should not be even allowed to enter the countries. Because I believe there are copyright law.

In other parts of this world, pirated DVD are selling everywhere ( I don't mean China ), people are making USD 200 per month. No copyright law at all. People will not pay high price to make key like in UK. I don't even know where I can buy original barbie dvd for my daughter.

Is not that we cannot afford the Original, is just that we have to calculate how soon we can recover the investment. For sure, clone will not function 100% as the original (in rare occasion it might). But the main objective is to get the job done.

Hope you can understand our feelings when you said we are doing meter for 20 euro. Over 90% of the members here use clones!

Let's stop this argument now and be friend, I will add you now.

p.s. Tell Abrites to take action against those who use clones in your country.

Cheers....

I am not frustrated my friend....i am relax more then you.
I cant hardly wait how you show us how the clone is working on real cars,and on real jobs request.
Untill that i am in Eu,and we use what we want here clones and Oem.
ABRITES is a big company and strong and don't give a .....for that flyobd chinese seller who claim that FVDI interface have AVDI functions....c'mon m8

[gwee]

I am not frustrated my friend....i am relax more then you.
I cant hardly wait how you show us how the clone is working on real cars,and on real jobs request.
Untill that i am in Eu,and we use what we want here clones and Oem.
ABRITES is a big company and strong and don't give a .....for that flyobd chinese seller who claim that FVDI interface have AVDI functions....c'mon m8

Good to hear that you are relaxed, and how you know that I am not more relax than you? BTW, I am having a joint now, super relax.

All our tools are clones, not a single original FYI. Till today, there is still no car here that we cannot start. Thanks for your concern anyway.

If like what you said Abrites does not give a F----, then why you worry?

Also, why you are worry if the FVDI work or not?

I had given you my respect, but please respect others too!

One humble request, give others your respect and you will gain yours. Everyone here already know that you are rich, so stop showing off.

Frog in a well, can't see the outside world.

[diagnoza_auto2000]

I only wait to see how is working FVDI ,and never compare with AVDI.
And if you not compare with AVDI i will only read this post and no more comments from me
BR

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Oh ,and for clones...you not work enough on expensif cars to see how they not like to start after was in contact with clones,just read more posts here in the forum.
I go to prepare my joint too

[gwee]

Oh ,and for clones...you not work enough on expensif cars to see how they not like to start after was in contact with clones,just read more posts here in the forum.
I go to prepare my joint too

Expensive car doesn't mean is difficult car. Just a simple Toyota Prius Generation 3, can you do lost key with your ORIGINAL tools?

We had done many...

[diagnoza_auto2000]

I never make Prius keys,as in my city we have maiby 5 :)
But i make BMW 2011 keys and VAG 2012 keys .

[gwee]

At this moment, there is still no tool for prius gen3. Have to remove smart and transmission ecu and write virgin data to it.

AVDI is number 1 for VAG, that is sure! We have many latest BMW and VAG here, but they mostly go to the agent.

Enjoy your joint m8, and hope you get more lost key tomorrow.

Cheers.

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Yeah you too!
BR

[cjawahir]

I never make Prius keys,as in my city we have maiby 5 :)
But i make BMW 2011 keys and VAG 2012 keys .


2011 and 2012 , your sure its not stolen :dontknow:.

and talking about stolen , mabe you dont know why they so good with VAG vehicles , with all that is said i still love the tool .

cj

[gwee]

2011 and 2012 , your sure its not stolen :dontknow:.

and talking about stolen , mabe you dont know why they so good with VAG vehicles , with all that is said i still love the tool .

cj

hehe... I know what u meant.

[pierre renault]

Diagnoza_Auto2000
oui je vais bien et toi?

[cjawahir]

Diagnoza_Auto2000
oui je vais bien et toi?

friend this is english forum so please .......

so i google what you say and i get "yes I'm fine and you?"

cj

[flasch14]

This is fvdi

[cjawahir]

This is fvdi


and did it work or not .

thanks cj

[michi84]

This is fvdi

Is it yours? Seat looks like bmw. Does it work properly?

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[gwee]

This is fvdi

Please give a report.

But even the Original AVDI - BMW cannot do newer car than BMW Multi Tool.

[sparkz02]

Are you saying bmw multi tools coverage is the same like AVDI?

[gwee]

Only for the key programming part.

[rapidlocksmiths]

ak300 was always reported to be very good on bmw , so no reason to think the multi tool doesnt do what it says , i know a few guys that were using the AK300 long before avdi released bmw and it worked well for them, and they now use multi tool.

[gwee]

I think AVDI is better than others for VAG and Toyota only.

[paul_12345]

I think AVDI is better than others for VAG and Toyota only.

what about opel/vauxhall pincode/key programming for Corsa D Astra H and J.

Renault key programming far more range than most.

Mercedes for mileage etc

[gwee]

Sorry, not much of Opel and Renault in our country.

For Nissan, I am sure Nissan Consult 3+ is the best.

[sparkz02]

Whos leading the market on Fiat/alfa keys? I get loads of calls for em.

[paul_12345]

Whos leading the market on Fiat/alfa keys? I get loads of calls for em.

if the update that they haven't brought out yet is real than nasratech, but I will call bs that they have it ready yet, although their 93c66 bsi through OBD does work.

[diagnoza_auto2000]

Please give a report.

But even the Original AVDI - BMW cannot do newer car than BMW Multi Tool.

Thats your opinion

[gwee]

Thats your opinion

That is the fact m8.

Try some other tool and you will know. Read other thread about NEW tools.

We are very neutral, not siding any brand name.

But is very interesting to have a debate with you, enjoying it very much:bounce:

[gwee]

ak300 was always reported to be very good on bmw , so no reason to think the multi tool doesnt do what it says , i know a few guys that were using the AK300 long before avdi released bmw and it worked well for them, and they now use multi tool.

READ THIS ALSO PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oep]

Does anybody here from forum have this device actually?

[gwee]

My friend is using one for cas4 key programming.

[diagnoza_auto2000]

READ THIS ALSO PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AK300 make keys for BMW CAS3+ by OBD?
You can trust in such a device without support to use in CAS3+ destroy the dump by OBD and then what?
You can make keys with AK300 for cars with flashing cas units after Ista P 37 and more?
This post is going in wrong direction,cause we start to compare avdi with other tools.
I know there is other tools for Bmw too for make keys ,less expensif then AVDI but i am happy with mine and i don t want to have 10 cables here i want all in one

[912secured]

For most just buy the real unit you do not have to buy every option.

[rapidlocksmiths]

AK300 is outdated now , people say it was good , but avdi will have left this unit behind now.

[carfix]

chinies sellers are selling FVDI very good is there any1 who got this? Since I had heard a guy seller said already sold 20sets but, no feedback yet..

sees like it's just software modifed...

http://download.xcar360.com/abrites_setup_demo.swf

[digitaltech]

chinies sellers are selling FVDI very good is there any1 who got this? Since I had heard a guy seller said already sold 20sets but, no feedback yet..

sees like it's just software modifed...

http://download.xcar360.com/abrites_setup_demo.swf


that vag 8.6 and quick loader v1.0 build confidence....

[flasch14]

FVDI.......... WORKS VW MAGOTAN,BMW 2012.PEUGEOT 5008.

[gwee]

No use m8, info must come from the members here. Otherwise I will not believe 100%

[paul_12345]

Today I received from ... xxxxxxxxx new update vag comander v 18 and added to the VAG - VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda V18.0 free
Mercedes / Smart / Maybach V6.0 free
BMW v10.0 free
Porsche V4.1 free
OPEL / VAUXHALL V6.0 free
Peugeot / Citroen V6.1 free
Fiat / Alfa / Lancia V5.1 free
Renault V5.2 free
Toyota / Lexus v4.4 free
Hyundai / KIA V1.7 free
Nissan / Infiniti V4.2 free
TAG Key Tool v5.8 free
Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep V3.0 free

How come fly website has only updated the version for tagtool v5.8 and toyota v4.4 the others are still older versions?

[gwee]

Chinese website always like that. Busy producing, no time to update :)

[paul_12345]

Chinese website always like that. Busy producing, no time to update :)

If they have all the lastest updates they'd have nothing more to work on the fvdi, and I would of thought showing that you do infact offer updates and very quickly after abritus release them would be a big selling point and should be a priority for them

[flasch14]

see this video http://download.xcar360.com/avdifuncitons%20demon.swf

[digitaltech]

see this video http://download.xcar360.com/avdifuncitons%20demon.swf

ok? They show they have a file in a directory, windows open, but does it really work on cars ???

[gwee]

ok? They show they have a file in a directory, windows open, but does it really work on cars ???

I saw the special functions, that is enough. If it doesn't work, I will return it for a refund.

So far, Fly products are ok, if they screw it up with FVDI, they will have to change their brand name in future.

[digitaltech]

I saw the special functions, that is enough. If it doesn't work, I will return it for a refund.

So far, Fly products are ok, if they screw it up with FVDI, they will have to change their brand name in future.

Ok.

I was reading comments, one of the first is from the bottom is from "Nancy". Seriously, guys when is the last time you met a girl in this line of work with an American sounding name "Nancy". And she was first to get this product and test it. Another was Suzan... feedback must be bullsh$t for sure.

This has a high potential of turning into one of those vag k+can rb4 deals... but who knows....

[gwee]

Someone from India trying to sell FVDI for over double the price. But the pictures are worth to take a look.

FVDI (http://fvdi.blogspot.com/)

[gwee]

Just cancelled my order for the FVDI - Toyota.

Order the FVDI - BMW instead, it comes FREE with Toyota, Hyundai/Kia, Tag Key Tool.

Only USD 400 extra!

More value for money.

[chriskross]

has anyone already this tool and can tell how it is working???

or is this THREAD just for promoting the clone company and there FVDI tools??

[gwee]

When it worked, most of us will just keep quiet and happily using it. Not wanting their competitors to know.

Best thing is to buy and try. I think by now if this FVDI is not functioning properly, we will already got to know.

One day when I suddenly disappear from this thread, you know what happened :)

[digitaltech]

When it worked, most of us will just keep quiet and happily using it. Not wanting their competitors to know.

Best thing is to buy and try. I think by now if this FVDI is not functioning properly, we will already got to know.

One day when I suddenly disappear from this thread, you know what happened :)

true.

We will see how soon they will come up with a new update. As abritus for sure will trace s/n of the leaker. And guess what they will start doing.

[gwee]

true.

We will see how soon they will come up with a new update. As abritus for sure will trace s/n of the leaker. And guess what they will start doing.

Is not easy to trace, even if they stop their serial, the Chinese will just need to buy a new set from Abritus, because is so profitable for them to clone.

[paul_12345]

Is not easy to trace, even if they stop their serial, the Chinese will just need to buy a new set from Abritus, because is so profitable for them to clone.

I dont think so, I'd imagine they make it so they'd have to rehack the hardware pretty much like starting from scratch, not going to be worth it just for updates.

If they have been clever they will have removed the serial or changed it so they can still get updates on the orginal one they brought.

but if fvdi is working then abritus can't ignore it like the ORV and will have to implement either online protection or bring out a dongle, either way ending the clones.

[chriskross]

paul do you already have the clone? or how can you say that it is working like the original

[gwee]

If it is a clone, it will work like original.

Definition of Clone.

clone - definition of clone by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clone)

[paul_12345]

paul do you already have the clone? or how can you say that it is working like the original

nope, I didn't say it was working like original, I'm simply saying *if* it works abritus will have to counter it, and stop updates on the clones, which no doubt they will.

[digitaltech]

I dont think so, I'd imagine they make it so they'd have to rehack the hardware pretty much like starting from scratch, not going to be worth it just for updates.

If they have been clever they will have removed the serial or changed it so they can still get updates on the orginal one they brought.

but if fvdi is working then abritus can't ignore it like the ORV and will have to implement either online protection or bring out a dongle, either way ending the clones.


-dongle offers 0 protection.
-just the exe files weight over 100mb, there are 1000's of places watermarks can be placed
-yes this can be very damaging to arbitus and original owners, imagine someone droppin 8,000 euro on VAG package and someone buys similar(assuming it working 100%) for 1/10, its difficult to stay in business unless you do ALOT of work of this type.

On the other hand i was thinking about it last night, will this cause ORIGINAL AVDI prices to drop ? I don't think it will for 1 main reason. If you look at VCDS, its $300 original and Chinese make it and sell for $15.... no price can be low enough for Chinese not to make clones, although high price makes it more difficult for CHINESE to obtain all the features.

[paul_12345]

-dongle offers 0 protection.


you think?? Can you tell me where to find ICC to download for free??

Currently that dongle offers 100% protection provided its implemented correctly

[gwee]

I think ICC is different because need to connect to its server, otherwise somehow the chinese or the russian would have cracked it, and selling for USD10.

[paul_12345]

I think ICC is different because need to connect to its server, otherwise somehow the chinese or the russian would have cracked it, and selling for USD10.

no, there is no known hack for this type of dongle!!

[912secured]

The avdi runs kia\hyundai factory soft and ten other things bmw,benz and toyota techstream and brp buds megatech untill 09/10 the dess off works on some later models if thats all you need it for. If the clone ran the passthrough you know its really close, if not they hacked up the software to work with dodgy hardware that will give you a idea. The icc dongle is good(have less problems with the one that does not hold memory know of 2 of them that stopped talking to the usb port), main decryption routines are in it and work via api calls. The couple of friends that have it, us to use a dongle share program but 25 between 5 people started to get used up quicker (someone was using alot (i mean alot) when other used nothing. Figure how to beat the 25 checks a day then you could run one between a couple people but you would have to block the sn check (then on a update he could add another)

[ninja123]

I dont suppose too many people who buy this will admit to it, so may not get much feedback on it, unless it dont work of course!!

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

2 of the biggest sellers of clones in china are ecutool and ufodiag , interestingly neither of which stock the fvdi , these 2 rarely miss a trick and sell everything , ecutool normally overpriced but has most things first .

i would be asking myself why these 2 do not yet stock this ?

[garagetech]

the complete set

FVDI (http://fvdi.blogspot.co.uk/)

[maruti]

best go for orignal ,

thanks

[digitaltech]

yes, best to get ORI but most people can't and won't spend $50k :)

hopefully avdi won't turn to rosfar

[gwee]

There is no fun and no challenge of getting a job done with the most expensive tools, and wait for 10 big jobs to recover the cost.

[chriskross]

Price is $8000 incl. Shipping wow great :O

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[gwee]

the complete set

FVDI (http://fvdi.blogspot.co.uk/)

His FVDI must be gold plated.:rolleyes:

[rapidlocksmiths]

There is no fun and no challenge of getting a job done with the most expensive tools, and wait for 10 big jobs to recover the cost.

but far more ethical to support original equipment than support copyright theft at end of day and original is a wiser investment.

all of my original kit has now well and truly paid for itself , it may have taken it longer than a clone to pay back , but its fully paid back now and some , bang up to date as updated on regular basis, oh yes and its reliable , which means i dont have to buy the next clone then the next when outdated .

clones may well have their uses , but they are not good long term business investments , where as if you have a good business an original is a true investment .

[gwee]

but far more ethical to support original equipment than support copyright theft at end of day and original is a wiser investment.

all of my original kit has now well and truly paid for itself , it may have taken it longer than a clone to pay back , but its fully paid back now and some , bang up to date as updated on regular basis, oh yes and its reliable , which means i dont have to buy the next clone then the next when outdated .

clones may well have their uses , but they are not good long term business investments , where as if you have a good business an original is a true investment .

Yes agreed.

[gwee]

I was informed today by UOBD2 that they stopped selling FVDI due to negative feedback from users in China.

The feedback was for the commander for VAG.

[paul_12345]

they never even had it on their website