Lishi Audi issues?

[estate]

Never really been that successful with my 2 in 1 on '01 onwards audi stuff, it will go eventual but is soooo much harder than vw cars! What am I doing wrong? Anyone got any suggestions?

[rapidlocksmiths]

should be no different with 2in1 , iver never had one thats been an issue , including a brand new 2013 model where the dealer had locked keys inside in showroom.

2001 plus should be the gen 2 lock of 2up 2 down config , so pick positions 1 , 5 , 8 and 4 in their binding order first until all are slapping , then pick positions 2 , 3 , 6 and 7 in their binding order to open.

some are clutched so beware using too much tension , and always flush out well if locks never used as that grease they uses bakes and can give misfeels if cacked on and dry, so flush well and work wafers with a rake to free them all up.

to date ive never failed on an audi with lishi , and not had one that took longer than a few mins once flushed .

[estate]

thank you, it did go eventually! can do most within a few minutes, but this one was stubborn!!!!, i think i need to get a pick as well as a 2 in 1 for stubborn ones, wafer 8 would not budge!!!!

[sparkz02]

Yeah i get on with these pretty fine few mins max, u are going to get the tricky ones sometimes, sat around one for 15 mins, after all the lock was open, stiff lock and I wasn't twisting hard enough.

[rapidlocksmiths]

you always get a bad one , weather and long periods of no use play havoc on wafers , thus need for flushing sometimes

[whiskeyman]

flush and rake to get rid of grease
had an audi lock absolutely packed full with white grease
this would not pick till most of it was removed

[hauwkee]

my first lishi was BMw hu92 it s a hard one to pick for beginner
but vw hu66 lishi is the easiest one to used but i could not do it without Rapidlocksmith
thanks again for help me out with my lishi

[camelgd]

Clean lock is especially important if you have a tendency to over lift like I do when I get in a hurry. Grease will hold tumbler in overlift position sometimes. I move the main body of the of the pick up and down just a little (Not the turn arm) seems to help a little when I think I'm close but it is not going. I think it helps let overlifts drop down to shearline.:encouragement:

[robert81]

with audi you can also have the extra cut 9th wafer. the lock will turn but wont unlock the car.
the only solution is to read the lock and cut extra cut blade.

[ninja123]

Ive not had much experience with this lock type with the 'extra' cut/wafer, is this cut the same on all locks or does it differ?

Only asking as every key that ive seen with this extra cut always looks to be the the same cut on the 9th position??

ninja

[sparkz02]

Extra cut? Are we talking about the extended series? I cut these as normal 8 waffer locks seems to work fine.

[robert81]

9th cut is always the same. dont know exactly how it works as im to lazy to take lock apart.
if the lock does turn but doesnt unlock the car then you have 9th wafer which is equal to extra cut.
miracle has an extra cut hu66.
extra cut blade photo attached

[z786]

Iv seen ninja do a vw in less than 2mins

[ninja123]

yes - ive opened every hu66 lock, even latest ones, never had to cut a key to gain entry, my cayenne has this extra cut on the key, I picked door lock on it yesterday in 30 seconds, no need to cut any keys.

Is this cut just for ign lock?

ninja

[robert81]

my mate had one of those - tt 2001 ish. lock did turn and didnt unlock the car.
from what i know - new cars has extra cut for ignition purposes. older audi (apparently only audi) have this extra cut in the door lock.
not all cars have it. maybe you have been lucky ninja.
its info is worth to remember just in case you turn the lock and the car wont unlock.

training is key to success on lishi. in the past i was struggling.
but after understanding how to use it and few hours training i have 5 2008+ locks done within 10 minutes.
its in the workshop and locks are brand new. on the road in the rain with dirty lock it would take bit longer.
but done 2007 caddy the other week and it didnt take more than 4 minutes

[ninja123]

To date, I have successfully picked (and decoded when needed to) 2012 vw passat, 2011 audi a4, 2010 audi R8, 2009 porsche cayenne, 2013 audi a3, every skoda, seat and vw too, the R8 and A4 and cayenne all had this extra cut on the ori key, but still picked the locks in less than 2 mins with standard hu66 2 in 1.

SO, I dont think that there is any 'extra' wafers in the door locks.

I wait to be corrected or proved wrong :)

ninja

[Fallen]

The extra cut is only used in the ignition and even then it's not really a cut, it's just 2 guide plates that lock the key in place once it is turned.

What you may be experiencing is when the lock is damage and even with the key it will not open.

On newer vag locks, they will clutch if too much pressure is used before it gets picked. This will give you the impression that is has been picked but not opening.

All hu66 door locks have 8 cuts.

[rapidlocksmiths]

the door lock does only have 8 cuts , but on audi after 2006 this is common to pick the lock but lock doesnt open , you can keep turning back and turning to open again and it eventually opens , or you can decode and cut a key and it always opens.

as stated this has proved to be a common scenario on audi only , i dont think its a faulty lock issue , as a cut key always works , so decoding and cutting a blade always works in this situation , where as turning back then turning to open can work but is hit and miss .

i do alot of audi including brand new as always at depot where they deliver new audi from when they lock keys in car , ive opened a shit load , but had this on just 4 to date and always on A4 .

its not to do with the 9th cut at all , though this was thought to be case at first , it is just a wierd occassional issue , mostly on later A4.

[sparkz02]

All the keys I've ever cut even if it does have the extra cut, i never cut the extra cut and it always works, everywhere boot/lock ign.

[streetlegal]

i decoded and made a tempary lishi key for audi today. works in door and glovebox but not ignition ? any suggestions ?

[autofan1965]

What model and year of car? Best way try make key on computer keycutting machine.

[obdsystems]

wow thought only on later Audi's -not a 2001 ish. thanks for info guys.

like prev said never actually cut extra and ok - but guess affects picking. cheers

DK is so useful :)

[rapidlocksmiths]

if after 2004 it will need the extra cut the 9th generic cut to operate ignition , if not then it may have different ignition or your temp key is out somewhere

[ninja123]

Mart - have you come across new bmw's with the newer lock (hu100r i think), need to know when the change over was or was it staggered between the models?

Never seen this new lock in the field yet, did a 2013 yesterday and it was hu92.

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

ninje it was rolled out on the BMW 1 series , all these have the 100R lock , then staggered on rest , ive seen same year 3 series with hu92 and others with hu100R on it , but you will see it most commonly on 1 series

[dmp]

Here, the HU100R lock is on the 'F' series chassis and the HU92 is on the 'E' series chassis. We had 2 different 3-series in 2012 and 2013 (the changeover year, the coupe came after the sedan). Some of the door handles look the same but have the different keyway.

[streetlegal]

if after 2004 it will need the extra cut the 9th generic cut to operate ignition , if not then it may have different ignition or your temp key is out somewhere

any picture to show this "9th" cut ?

[autofan1965]

What model is your audi? Only A6 2004-,Q7 and A8 2002- need extra cut? Extra cut is always with same high and you can get it from any car with electronic ignition. Anyway when it is electronic ignition then you can turn it on only with inner blade from lishi.

[lpf01]

Here is my story with an Audi A8 2006 or -07 i dont remember correct.
We picked the door lock with lishi to open but car won't open. picked twice, three times, lock was correctly picked, stopped turning at 90 degrees and it was so sticky so spring not recover it to original state.
While i thinked what the hack i can do now, after maybe 1 or 2 minutes i pulled the knob and the door was open.... ( keyhole is under the knob, i leaved the lock in picked state turned to 90 degr.)
It had the electronic ignition with extra cut on the key.

[streetlegal]

What model is your audi? Only A6 2004-,Q7 and A8 2002- need extra cut? Extra cut is always with same high and you can get it from any car with electronic ignition. Anyway when it is electronic ignition then you can turn it on only with inner blade from lishi.

2004 quattro estate
picked in 20 seconds, decoded twice (upto springy feel) just to check and cut 2 lishi temp keys (a +b sides) with lishi master in the center.
works in door lock and glove box ok (need to use right way up) but not in ignition (tried both ways up)

[rapidlocksmiths]

The ignition will need the extra cut in key , which is why your temp keys dont work on it.

i find with audi , pick to 90 degrees , if lock not open then relax tension and let lock come back to almost reset then turn again , this normally works , only once for me it failed , i decoded and cut the key and it opened up.

[obdsystems]

Guys - i did a 2014 Audi A3 boot yesterday in 5 minutes !!!!

I was the 3rd person on the job !!!! Guy had been there all day !!!

Didn't bother trying to open boot - went straight to decode n cut a blade :)

It was VW / Audi Road side assist (AA run) - guy even had Lishi and asked me for tips lol (i said its down to skill mate lol)

You'd be proud Martin :)

[autofan1965]

2004 quattro estate
picked in 20 seconds, decoded twice (upto springy feel) just to check and cut 2 lishi temp keys (a +b sides) with lishi master in the center.
works in door lock and glove box ok (need to use right way up) but not in ignition (tried both ways up)

When it is same shape as 2005 it will be enough only lishi master to turn ignition, there are no wafers. When i remember correct a6 4f 2004- have no glovebox lock, only a6 4b with normal ignition.

[streetlegal]

autofan1965

2 lish makeup keys + master in center = temp key or am i missing what the master key is ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

you got it right

[ninja123]

where's steve gone??

ninja

[estate]

Something to do with that tm100 thread I think with gwee.

[streetlegal]

you got it right

so where is this 9th cut made ?

[autofan1965]

autofan1965

2 lish makeup keys + master in center = temp key or am i missing what the master key is ?

Masterkey is only master in center. You dont need any makeup keys to turn ignition on. Anyway without learned transponder you will not have really ignition on.

[streetlegal]

Masterkey is only master in center. You dont need any makeup keys to turn ignition on. Anyway without learned transponder you will not have really ignition on.

so just stick the "master" in the ignition and it turns to release ignition lock ? i realy do doubt this.......

however, does anyone have a picture or diagram of this mythical "9th" cut ?

i need to turn the ignition on to program the transponder

[ninja123]

the transponder needs to be recognised before you can turn the key.

ninja

[totalkey]

This before the first cut, you got it in your key cutting machine, start from 1-4 till it work


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[autofan1965]

the transponder needs to be recognised before you can turn the key.

ninja

From where you have this info? I made several keys for a6/q7 with this method and never have any problem. I think that you can turn key in ignition, but ignition just not come on without recognized transponder. Streetlegal when you really doubt this then spend your time to finding better answer and dont waste my time for helping you.

[streetlegal]

270689THESE WORK EITHER WAY UP
270690THESE KEYS ONLY WORK ONE WAY UP (GROOVES AT THE TOP)
270692THESE REAL KEYS WERE MADE BY A LOCAL LOCKSMITH USING THE TEMP KEYS AS A PATTERN (THEY ONLY UNLOCK AND WILL NOT WORK IN THE IGNITION)

2003 AUDI A4 QUATTRO

I DID MANAGE TO GET THE IGNITION ON USING THE TOP SET

[autofan1965]

You shuld cut material between each wafer too.

[HeXeN]

Is this lishi fake copy?

What generation of HU66 is this? Audi A4 b6 2002
I cant decode it, I think is overpicked, how to reset wafers? I dont feel any tension. I cleaned lock with spray already.

[rapidlocksmiths]

the lock is most likely gen 2 with wafers 2 up 2 down configuration in door lock , ignition wil be 1 up 1 down configuration.

im a bit unsure what you are saying , are you saying you have picked it but cant decode it , or are you saying you cant pick it as no wafers are binding ?

if you cant pick it due to wafers not binding then try more tension in opening direction , of still no wafers binding is the plug turning a fraction when you apply tension in opening direction ? if not and keyway is solid then its likely the plug is seized , plenty of lube in the lock and around the face , then work to unseize the plug.

the single lifter tool is far better than the twin lift tool on older locks when far more tension is needed

[HeXeN]

I think I have overpicked it and now when I am trying to pick I dont feel tension anymore

[rapidlocksmiths]

you cant feel pressure on any wafer ? if the case then as using a twin lift tool check the tip of the pick arms , as if you have been too heavy handed with twin lift the little pick snibs that interact with the wafer on the tips of the pick arms snap off or bend , if this is the case then you would feel no wafer in every position with the broken pick arm , in which case its a new pick needed.

if you have jammed wafers out of position then plenty of lubrication and raking with a hand pick can free them up