A3 cluster swap

[aceton]

Hello !

I need swap cluster :

ori 2007 8P0 920 851A ( without fis ) micronas

used 2006 8P0 920 930R ( with fis ) 93c86

I have sceurity block ( ori and used ).

I don't have 25 ( only 17 ).

I have used cluster without key but i can make it. I don't have channel 50.

In attach 2x dumps and 2x sec block readed by obd2 xcan , 1x sec block readed by carprog

[lupu_sandu]

LE: Now i see that you have a old fujitsu dash.

[aceton]

Or I need different sec block + edc16 eeprom ( 2003 -2008 )

[autofan1965]

Hi,
newer fujitsu are hard to do. You cant just transfer secBlock. When you write new, component protection change self on random value. Best way, write secblock, make key, synchronize ecu with dash manually.

[robert81]

as far as im aware its not possible to swap SB between 2 different dashes (ie micronas - fujitsu) if they would be the same - no problem.
if they are different then only diagnostic adaptation will be a solution. but vcds is not powerfull enough. i know auto logic can do that. not sure about avdi.

[lupu_sandu]

robert81, yes you can. I swap on Audi 2005 from Fujitsu to Micronas.
Adaptation was made by hand (cs,MAC,pin+checksum).

[aceton]

I try do it manualy but i need a few different SB + eeprom edc16 ( fujitsu , micronas )

[TECH]

once I tryed to do a same adaption I had problem with the oil presure ligth and the abs coding

[aceton]

No one can help me ?

[autofan1965]

What you will know more? I scribe you what you need to do. Read Secblock from Micronas, write it to fujitsu, make key and read fujitsu again. When you have it make synchronization between ecu and dash. It is last help for you from me because you dont help anyone on dk.

PS
Lupu_sandu change fujitsu on micronas is no problem, only micronas on fujitsu is hard because fujitsu write secBlock but change self CS.

[Diagi]

Do not want to create new thread..

Which tool can do the swap from Fujitsu cluster to Micronas cluster ? I mean able to make an adaptation by hand..because I see this is the only possibility here.. Which tool and software to read CS MAC PIN and correct the checksumm in Fujitsu cluster 2006. I have both dumps from old and new cluster, Fujitsu 2006 read by Xcan, Micornas 2009 read by Xprog, also eeprom from ECU e2prom from working car. Which software to read CS MAC PIN from Micronas and Fujitsu dump and pair this?

[aceton]

send all dumps and sb

[Diagi]

Sorry for late response, back to this problem now. I want to learn it how to do it on my own. I am very thankful that someone want to help me and to do it for me if I put here all dumps. But is it able to share some info on how to do this. How to read out this infos from Fujitsu dump and from Micronas dump to be able to copy them. Every time key must be learned with a new transponder in this case?

To have AVDI is the only way to do this?

[aceton]

You can do it with xcan.
You must read security block form fujitsu and micronas.
I can transfer data between f & m and calc checksum.

[turbocip]

Old key you can use "after pair"

[Diagi]

OK, but there is no possibility to read security block from micronas. There is an error Acces F Error. Reads only mileage.

[turbocip]

You will need to read eeprom on the bench.
save eeprom
after that - you will need make a copy to this eeprom amd after that you need to alterate this copy .
put this alterated copy back to eeprom on the bench .
after that - try to write original eeprom over obd .
good luck

[Diagi]

Thank you for answer. You mean read eeprom via OBD on bench with XCAN? There is also an error because of Security access.

[turbocip]

On bench with programmer .

[Diagi]

From new cluster I have read whole dump Micronas + eeprom with Xprog. I do not have Jtag from smok. What do you mean alterate?

[turbocip]

Click here for understandCLICK ! (http://www.codecard.lt/carprog/software/carprog-dash/s7-8-vw-2007-by-obd-golf-passat-eos-touran-tiguan-octavia-with-micronas-by-diagnostic/prod_433.html)
Please put your original micronas and eeprom
or send me in email ......................................

[aceton]

You have 2 ways
- programm 1 key then you can read security block by obd
- read eeprom , read micronas flash then you can decrypt eeprom by xprog

[turbocip]

If the cluster is not the same processor - he cannot make with copy security block from old to new
he will need to create new security block

[aceton]

I know.
I can transfer cs mac key vin between different SB.

[teerak2uk]

Is this the case when you get a replacement clock that has a different part number as I have an a3 2005 that mileage display powers up sometimes on its own and drains the battery also hazard button stays illuminated but leaving clocks unplugged then battery is fine.

I've heard these clocks are common to problems?

[Diagi]

turbocip and aceton, I will report here about further progress on Monday
teerak2uk, I hope to tell you something about this problem in the near future

[turbocip]

i put on audi a3 2007 with fujitsu processor - another cluster with micronas processor.
security blocks made manually because is different reading of both cluster.
all its ok , board computer work very well.
so, its possible

[yugo45]

OK, but there is no possibility to read security block from micronas. There is an error Acces F Error. Reads only mileage.
If you using X-Dash you have to have J-Tag to read s-key. After read S-key , load S-key then you can access dash.

[Diagi]

Yes I know that yougo45, that is why I was curious how to do that without Jtag, because as I said, I don't have it. I read succesfully new dash now and I am on the second step know, with transfering data.

[turbocip]

Working with alterated , and after original with xcan, right ?

[Diagi]

Yes, that's right.

[yugo45]

Yes I know that yougo45, that is why I was curious how to do that without Jtag, because as I said, I don't have it. I read succesfully new dash now and I am on the second step know, with transfering data.
Other way is to read Flash + eeprom with X-Prog , decrypt eeprom and transfer data.

[turbocip]

If you read flash + eeprom - you can make a key fast.
its the second way .

[aceton]

He don't want make a new key.
He want use ori.

[turbocip]

I said is second way.
normally he can use old key - with transfer data from old eeprom to new .

[Diagi]

Yes, in this case I want to use old keys, if this will be not possible I will make new key, but have to try. At this point I am stuck in data transfering between dashes.

[turbocip]

Because is different type.
its possible .

[yugo45]

Yes, in this case I want to use old keys, if this will be not possible I will make new key, but have to try. At this point I am stuck in data transfering between dashes.
You do not need to make new keys. Old keys will work with all immo data transfer.
If you read Flash + eprom form new dash post here , and also post Sec.Block form old dash.

[Diagi]

Only manual solution is possible here as I see, so swap datas from Fujitsu to Micronas by hand. I think I have not enough tools for do that as I see. I mean something to get datas from Fujitsu (datas I mean IMMO, full CS, VIN, PIN etc...) and to put datas in micronas dump. Carprog + AVDI or..

yogo45 I've attached dumps as you said.

[turbocip]

Diagi - I will help you tonight or tomorrow , but if yugo45 can help - its a plus !
My computer dead yesyerday - and today need to transfer all data from old HDD to new HDD

[Diagi]

No problem turbocip, I thought you were busy, I understand this.

[yugo45]

Only manual solution is possible here as I see, so swap datas from Fujitsu to Micronas by hand. I think I have not enough tools for do that as I see. I mean something to get datas from Fujitsu (datas I mean IMMO, full CS, VIN, PIN etc...) and to put datas in micronas dump. Carprog + AVDI or..

yogo45 I've attached dumps as you said.
Fujitsu Sec.Block is not read good. There is not CS and MAC1 , all FFFFF.

What ECU that car has, and can you read ECU eeprom?

[turbocip]

Try read again Fujitsu - 2 method
save both

[Diagi]

OK, so this is security block read with second method. First one is 93kb, this one 160kb.

[yugo45]

OK, so this is security block read with second method. First one is 93kb, this one 160kb.

Try and report

[turbocip]

I want to change fujitsu 2004 cluster ,with micronas 2007 .
Cannot determine security blocks for new cluster.
I read all , eeprom both clusters , sec blocks , engine eeprom , screenshoots
Yugo , you have an ideea ? Thank you in advance. If you can make a new sec blocks for micronas

[obdsystems]

Guys I'm having trouble with A3 TDI '06 dash swap with FUJITSU processor MB91F 366

Been told its the 'configuration' and 'status'

I have AVDI -any help/advice for these values
Thanks
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=291801&stc=1

[lupu_sandu]

What seems to be the problem?

[obdsystems]

written key IDs but always 'safe' mode displayed. Been given an 'Status' and 'Config' to try

Have you done many of these? Much trouble

[yugo45]

Guys I'm having trouble with A3 TDI '06 dash swap with FUJITSU processor MB91F 366

Been told its the 'configuration' and 'status'

I have AVDI -any help/advice for these values
Thanks

I gave you solution in you other post:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/audi-a3-dash-06-displays-safe-mode-instrument-swap-454844/index2.html#post2442728

[turbocip]

I want to change fujitsu 2004 cluster ,with micronas 2007 .
Cannot determine security blocks for new cluster.
I read all , eeprom both clusters , sec blocks , engine eeprom , screenshoots
Yugo , you have an ideea ? Thank you in advance. If you can make a new sec blocks for micronas

I fix the immo for new micronas , car start now, but i have 2 problems (the same problems is with original micronas eeprom too) :
1- level gauge is 0 ( message in Instruments:level sensor open or short to ground)
2- abs,esp light is flashing in dashboard (no errors found in abs , steering assist) all are adapted ok , and abs /esp working very well

Can gateway from the car is 1K0907530B - its posible to be old , or new cluster is not fully compatible with car ?
Car is 2003 november / new cluster is november 2006
2 weeks ago i change the same fujitsu with micronas and not have this problem

Thanks to all in advance for answers

[yugo45]

I fix the immo for new micronas , car start now, but i have 2 problems (the same problems is with original micronas eeprom too) :
1- level gauge is 0 ( message in Instruments:level sensor open or short to ground)
2- abs,esp light is flashing in dashboard (no errors found in abs , steering assist) all are adapted ok , and abs /esp working very well

Can gateway from the car is 1K0907530B - its posible to be old , or new cluster is not fully compatible with car ?
Car is 2003 november / new cluster is november 2006
2 weeks ago i change the same fujitsu with micronas and not have this problem

Thanks to all in advance for answers
It is possible that has wiring problem.
Did car has this problem with old Fijutsu cluster ?

[turbocip]

Nop . With old all work good

[yugo45]

Nop . With old all work good

Can you read Sec.Block from Micronas that you have now with all working and post here?

Thanks

[turbocip]

With old sec blocks is the same problem .
i will post afternoon.

[yugo45]

With old sec blocks is the same problem .
i will post afternoon.

Then I would say something going on with that cluster.

[turbocip]

We can miss new sec blocks - because is the same situation.
with old doesnt work - now is old sec blocks in the cluster , abs - esp- level fuel sensor doesnt work .

[peko]

hi friends

can you help me to mod this files, i need swap ecu so joined files from ecu (95160) from micronas 3217G and from 24C32 ( dash also )



thanks ;)

[lupu_sandu]

Your dump from MED9.1 is crypted.
In order to set CS,MAC,Pin you need to have uncrypted read via OBD2, or to have flash to decrypt eeprom (i cannot decrypt).

[peko]

hi lupu_sandu

just i need vin in dash and pin from it, after i can adapt all from vag server ;)

OR

you think i can write couple of file from other dash ?

thank you ;)

[lupu_sandu]

Your dashboard eeprom with new VIN:

[peko]

thanks lupu_sandu ;)

have you pin number from this dash please ?

pin from ecu seem 62993


;)

[lupu_sandu]

Pin: 03078
CS: 81 29 4d 9d 02 52 9b

Pin from ECU is wrong because is crypted.

[peko]

if i give you good pin from ecu, you can adapt all ?

[lupu_sandu]

No, because you need CS,MAC and PIN

[peko]

thanks lupu_sandu

your file work charm, but i not have succes to mod immo number, can you adapt it directly ?



thanks

[lupu_sandu]

I told you, i cannot adapt because dump from MED is crypted

[peko]

ok lupu_sandu

thank you for your help ;)

[exe123]

upload eeprom and flash from med9 and I can give you cs mac and pin

[peko]

upload eeprom and flash from med9 and I can give you cs mac and pin

ok, here files
292776

i have here dash to test to tomorrow ;)

thanks

[exe123]

ok, here files
292776

i have here dash to test to tomorrow ;)

thanks

i will need the flash file from the ecu! otherwise I cannot get the data

[Diagi]

, abs - esp- level fuel sensor doesnt work .

Maybe little bit to late but for the future problems, in A3 8P before 2005 was another fuel pump, so you need to change it. Than additional you need to connect new fuel pump PIN4 to the new cluster PIN25. With ABS ESP problems you need to change adaptation values via VCDS. For details must check which block exactly and what numbers because I don't remember now.

[turbocip]

Thanks a lot for info

[Diagi]

Hello, want to do Micronas to Micronas swap. First one is red without FIS, new one i white with FIS. I can't unlock eeprom (in Micronas red cluster, without FIS) to have an OBD access to read Security Block. With new one (white, with FIS) I want to install, it is ok. Can you give me some advice how to unlock the red cluster without FIS. Everything is attached.

[lupu_sandu]

Hello, want to do Micronas to Micronas swap. First one is red without FIS, new one i white with FIS. I can't unlock eeprom (in Micronas red cluster, without FIS) to have an OBD access to read Security Block. With new one (white, with FIS) I want to install, it is ok. Can you give me some advice how to unlock the red cluster without FIS. Everything is attached.

Car dashboard details:
VIN: WAUZZZ8P3xxxxxxxx
CS: 29 5f a5 00 52 bf 4a
PIN: 28952
KM: 135224

Here is your dump from new cluster with all info transferred. Just program 24c32 from new cluster with this dump.

LE: I extract security block from OLD dash. If you need, i will post here.
Also, i extract S-KEY from Micronas dump if you need to unlock dash via obd2 with XCAN.

[Diagi]

It is working very well, good to know that you had extracted also another datas. I've unlocked the new cluster with external programmer to work with it via OBD, more work but this was my only possibility. Thanks.

[turbocip]

AVDI or Smok Tools

[hansdevogel89]

I fix the immo for new micronas , car start now, but i have 2 problems (the same problems is with original micronas eeprom too) :
1- level gauge is 0 ( message in Instruments:level sensor open or short to ground)
2- abs,esp light is flashing in dashboard (no errors found in abs , steering assist) all are adapted ok , and abs /esp working very well

Can gateway from the car is 1K0907530B - its posible to be old , or new cluster is not fully compatible with car ?
Car is 2003 november / new cluster is november 2006
2 weeks ago i change the same fujitsu with micronas and not have this problem

Thanks to all in advance for answers


i have the same problem, audi a3 8p, swapped 06 micronas cluster in it (car had 2005 fujisiti with 93c86)

Everything works fine, except abs esp flashing in dashboard, also in display. No error codes in abs or steering assist
anyone have a solution for this?? possible vin is wrong??

abs module = 1k0907379K

[turbocip]

What year is "new cluster" ?