Condor XC007 Who's got one?

[estate]

Anyone actually bought or used one?

[hauwkee]

thats a key machine yes hi security u should try A5 affordable n reliable
by the way how much it cost in uk

[estate]

the condor is ?1800, the a6 is ?4100...........

[obdmaster]

Look at NOIMMO (http://noimmo.lt/) the iCutter to me looks a re-badged condor, and noimmo dont sell rubbish.

[estate]

definately a condor clone!!!!!

[estate]

3900 euro's!!!! PMSL!!!!

[armpower]

Hallo

I've bought one.Shipped in three days from china.
I was tempted to buy an X6, but was out of stock in
all well know china' key shops.
So I looked at Condor as expensive option.
I'm an unexperienced user , because this is my first attempt to enter in this
business.I've Avdi and other tools so the key machine is the complement to
my tools.
I've tried to cut a copy of my Ducato' key.
I've tried the key copy option.Condor cut the key sucessfully.
I Haven't tried other key cutting machine.
The Condor is well built , have a large tft touch screen and buttons.
Come with two cutters ( 1.5 and 2,5 mm) and two tracer.
There is no paper manual.All function are explained during operation.
You can cut by code, manually input the data, copy the key and decode keys.
I've tried all option.I hope to do something in the next weeks.
Hope this help.

[estate]

keep us informed armpower. Thank you for replying.

[estate]

armpower, could you make video of machine cutting/decoding?

[agabna]

Hello
mr / armpower
i am like other could you tell us what type of software it use
thanks

[armpower]

Hallo

In the next day i'll try to make a video, just to see some features.
The software installed on Condor is standalone.
The seller told me that is based on istacode software.
I havent' used istacode so i can't confirm this.
By the way you can choose car maker and key type from a menu.
Cut by input a code.Try to make your profile editing some cutting info like depth, ecc.ecc.
I'll try to make some pics.
Be patient.
I haven't enough time to play with Condor.
I will let you informed.

[siyadk]

Guys good news!!!!!
gonna make a video with condor tomorrow...anyone who wants to see a video on any particular blade are most welcome , please do put request in this thread, i will make sure I make one key for all requests. unfortunately I wont have real lock to test it out so either u can give me the bitting numbers of your choice or else i enter whatever bittings pops onto my head


Happy new year Fellas!!!

[rapidlocksmiths]

does this work stand alone or must you connect to laptop to use instacode

[siyadk]

I am having hands on it tmrw...but I am almost sure it is stand alone

I don't even think it can connect instacode

[rapidlocksmiths]

in their write up and sales patter it says that it runs off software based upon the respected instacode , so i assume a version is loaded or they have copied the codes and series into their own software ;
The internal software is based on well know and respected instacode software. The software shows key cuts on the touch-up LCD screen, and it allows to calculate cuts when we need it (in case of broken keys,etc.) The software is fully upgradable through the PC of the internet.

Original UI KEY CUTTING MACHINE CONDOR XC-007 Master Series Key Cutting Machine(English Version) work with heavy duty vehicle - Universal Imports (http://www.universal-imports.com/original-ui-key-cutting-machine-condor-xc-007-master-series-key-cutting-machine-english-version-work-with-heavy-duty-vehicle.html)

i hope they have entered all codes into their own software , as if so then it wont be infringing others rights , if the case and if the jaws dont infringe patents then it will be a machine that can be sold openly and if so then spares etc will become readily available once someone takes it on to resell.

which if the case id consider one as a second machine for a planned expansion .

look forward to the testing

id be interested to know if it cuts the clio 3 lock , the 1234Q5678H series of the VA2 lock , not the abcdef or 123456 series , also the toyota aygo key based on same series but with B codes , if so , can it decode these as well

[siyadk]

Acc to the link...I guess ur r right...it looks it has instacode in cooperated in it..hang on till tomorrow and I will let u know as soon as I get hands on it

Can u tell me what blade does aygo uses.. We don't have that car...neither Clio..but I think I might the keys somewhere and try it out for you

[whiskeyman]

va6 key
hu66
hu101
sx9
maz24

any of them would be good to see

[paul_12345]

I've looked at a few of the videos now I think this is not as good as it may seem.. Most of the videos turn the sound off and to me the metal shavings look different, I suspect the speed of the videos have been increased quite a bit hence no sound as you would be able to tell the speed has been changed.

Also some videos with sound seem to have keys that already have been partially cut and just show a final pass hence a lot quicker than it normally would be.

[drakov]

I've looked at a few of the videos now I think this is not as good as it may seem.. Most of the videos turn the sound off and to me the metal shavings look different, I suspect the speed of the videos have been increased quite a bit hence no sound as you would be able to tell the speed has been changed.

Also some videos with sound seem to have keys that already have been partially cut and just show a final pass hence a lot quicker than it normally would be.


Paul are you suggesting that the chinese are trying to pull the wool over our eyes :-D

[siyadk]

Well paul..u will get one of most honest video n review soon.. Just hang on till tomorrow:)

[estate]

it's tomorrow now............. ;) :D

[rapidlocksmiths]

clio 3 and aygo both use va2 blade .

look forward to the video , the machine looks very heavy duty built with heavy use vices based on silca vice , so looks the part , be interested to see it cut a key start to finish and hear it working too .

[sunlocksmith]

just want to let everyone know if you bye the x6 yeap it is cheaper but you will regrete just laike me
the concord is a better bild machine the x6 works on belt and for some reasone is no something i can tell you go ahead and bye since i have one olready i wish i bouth the concord but they dint have a english version at tha time thanks

[siyadk]

Just did a video on toy 43 and toy 48. Uploading unto youtube tomorrow

The built is excellent... There one vice for side cutting and another for upper cutting keys(laser type).. Excellent n superb vise in built wise.. U won't believe how heavy it is

And like rapidlocksmith said, it has incorporated instacode in it where u can enter the lock code and it gets bitting number.

The software or firmware is update able..

It's has four or three speed settings for the cutter depending upon key quality

The drawback so far: a very few Chinese fonts here b there that has not converted to English which I can't stand off

[siyadk]

Rapidlocksmith n whiskeyman

The keys except hu66 n hu101,u requested are rare in my country but I called few of my buddies for it and hopefully I will have them by tomorrow.

If possible can u give me a lock code of this each mentioned keys.. Just want to know whether it pulls of right bitting number from the database

[rapidlocksmiths]

a va2 code from series 1234Q5678H for the clio 3 is QH7376 , this should cut a key from bow to tip of 6737HQ so these are the cuts it should pull off .

[armpower]

Hallo

I've made three example video.
In this video you can see decoding of Mercedes , Porsche Cayenne and Alfa Romeo' keys.
I haven't cut a key because I haven't a key blank to try for porsche and MB and I don't want to
waste a key blank for Alfa.
I will try to make some video during cutting soon.
Excuse me for quality but I have made the video with a camera in my hand and with other hand i did the procedure on condor.
Hope this help

237136

[king alie]

Hallo

I've made three example video.
In this video you can see decoding of Mercedes , Porsche Cayenne and Alfa Romeo' keys.
I haven't cut a key because I haven't a key blank to try for porsche and MB and I don't want to
waste a key blank for Alfa.
I will try to make some video during cutting soon.
Excuse me for quality but I have made the video with a camera in my hand and with other hand i did the procedure on condor.
Hope this help

237136
hello
thanks for the videos it is honest than Chinese videos
I think they ll use it soon for the machine
but I notice the sound of the machine is loud and hard coding
if it work like that u ll need spare parts for the coding
thanks for help

[whiskeyman]

Hallo

I've made three example video.
In this video you can see decoding of Mercedes , Porsche Cayenne and Alfa Romeo' keys.
I haven't cut a key because I haven't a key blank to try for porsche and MB and I don't want to
waste a key blank for Alfa.
I will try to make some video during cutting soon.
Excuse me for quality but I have made the video with a camera in my hand and with other hand i did the procedure on condor.
Hope this help

237136

i would like to see videos please
but rapidshare not allow me

[rayjay]

thanks for taking time to do the videos, i just watched the MB KEY decode. Did the job fine and it was good to see the actual key alongside the decode bitting...Looks a good machine for the money.

[armpower]

Hallo

I've created a youtube channel and uploaded some videos for your "pleasure". :)

Alfa Romeo Key coding with Condor - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5x8wFz2gRU)
Key coding Porsche Cayenne - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToplQvVb1uI)
Condor XC007 MB Key decoding only - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOM2NgN1m-g)

Excuse me for the low quality, but i've taken with a smart camera in one hand and
with the other hand i've done the job with condor.
Hope this help

[estate]

Thank you armpower :) any ones of it cutting?

[rapidlocksmiths]

i have a uk distributor sending me one of these in next 10 days to test for 3 months on the back of the van to see how it holds up on the back of a van in winter , so it will get put through its paces , if it does well on back of van , and if it doesnt break any patents , then they are thinking of stocking the machine as well as the service parts for it .

i will of course post results

[siyadk]

sorry for the delay and low quality video


Did two videos in toy 43 and toy 48. The speed setting is set on SLOW so the cutting is pretty slow

Condor toy43 decode n cut - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-l6uYjIA0g)

Toy 48 cuttting - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7AIZCNNNg)

Hit Thanks and add repo if this videos are helpful

[armpower]

Hallo

I've found this channell with more Condor videos.
Take a look in the meantime someone will take new videos. :)

locksvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/locksvideo?feature=watch)

[paul_12345]

sorry for the delay and low quality video


Did two videos in toy 43 and toy 48. The speed setting is set on SLOW so the cutting is pretty slow

Condor toy43 decode n cut - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-l6uYjIA0g)

Toy 48 cuttting - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7AIZCNNNg)

Hit Thanks and add repo if this videos are helpful

have you tried full speed??

the china toy43 videos cut twice as fast so would be interesting to see on full speed to see if it does it in half the time and what noise it makes when cutting on fast.

[estate]

if it cuts half as fast as an a9 for a quarter of the price, i'm happy........

[paul_12345]

if it cuts half as fast as an a9 for a quarter of the price, i'm happy........

its half the price for A9 (if your buying from china) the reason I mention speed was to determine the quality of the motor etc, as it sound ok on slow with a bit of a slow spin up, if it starts to sound terrible on a faster setting it might indicate short motor life etc.

[king alie]

Hallo

I've found this channell with more Condor videos.
Take a look in the meantime someone will take new videos. :)

locksvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/locksvideo?feature=watch)
hello
thanks for the searching for the video
but the video was made buy you will be honest and 100℅ correct
because as Paul said some videos are without sound our for already cuts keys
to get videos made by you will be real video
thanks

[siyadk]

A new news... It seems condor is manufactured by X-horse company. X-horse usually produce high quality stuff.

Regarding the request videos... I have been extremely busy last few days... I will try to make few tmrw

[paul_12345]

A new news... It seems condor is manufactured by X-horse company. X-horse usually produce high quality stuff.

Regarding the request videos... I have been extremely busy last few days... I will try to make few tmrw

Well eprommazza will probably know more about this as he posted about the condor chinese version, so guessing x-horse also made the original ORV clone and VVDI and the new SVDI as the software looks the same and eprommazz seems to post the software before anyone else.

If this is true then yes x-horse generally make pretty decent things, but they also abandoned projects.. Toyota lead, ORV updates, made SVDI instead of adding v18 to VVDI, no PSA tool updates.

But they will probably sell a steady amount of condors so probably will update like VVDI.

[rapidlocksmiths]

well they sent me condor to test , so far unable to test it , initially it was the chinese version , so took 3 days to get this updated to english version , now ive spent 5 hours trying to insert cutter into slot with no joy , it looks as if switch is supposed to release clamp and allow you to insert cutter , but switch on this one does nothing, so awaiting news from factory as to where the problem is and how it can be resolved

[armpower]

Hallo
You have to push the grey button at the front of machine to block the slot.After that with your fingers you are be able to lose the clamps turning the red
knob.
The grey button must be pressed because it's like a sort of pin inserting in the clamp.So press the button and rotate the red knob at one point
the grey button will enter firmly in the clamp so you can loose the clamp turning the red knob.

[rapidlocksmiths]

here is where the problem is , i press in the grey button , find the correct point so it goes all the way in , then if i turn the red knob anti clockwise it unthreads and comes out , and its too stiff to turn it clockwise .

to undo the clamp , do you turn clockwise or anti clockwise

[rapidlocksmiths]

sorted , clamp was siezed , now up and running so the fun begins.

after a quick scout through the software , there is no functions for VA6 at all , so no coverage yet of clio 3 , aygo , new ds3 , and no coverage yet of renault card keys either .
im going to send details to see if these can be added .

now its up and running its time to play

[armpower]

Ok

Happy you have sorted. :)
Please as experienced user you are , in the next days of use you can post some info about
what condor is capable to do on various keys.
For now i've tried only fiat laser keys and tring decoding some other keys.
Enjoy and have a nice day

[rapidlocksmiths]

i will be putting it through its paces on back of van for the next few months , see how it copes in temperatures and frost and see how it copes with the rigours of being on van.

had a quick play tonight with a few simple ne73 , it decoded and cut spot on , the list of renault and peugeot doesnt include the va2/va6 1234QH5678 series or the aygo b series codes , so at present these are a no go .

plenty to test and plenty to report in the comming months .

[armpower]

Hallo.I've just talked with Condor support and i've told about Va2 key problem.
He told me that in the next upgrade will add this keys.

[rapidlocksmiths]

so far it is decoding and cutting fine with no issues to date , line up of key is essential on edge keys , it is simple to line up edge keys wrong , so concentration on lining up key in clamp is essential , it then cuts the perfect key, laser style keys seem spot on and simple to line up .

in a workshop enviroment it has performed well , its now on back of van and in cold , so far so good , but still early days and not the coldest weather yet , but so far no complaints , its performing well and is alot of machine for the money .

sx9 isnt working despite being listed , it appears in the list but isnt loaded , i await next update to see if fixed .

very smooth cutting and decoding , moves along the axis quietly and smoothly , motor is very quiet during cutting and during operation , so far all good.

[armpower]

Hallo.

To now, I've cutted some keys, mainly Fiat and some Toyota.For now works well.
I've told to support the problem about SX9 keys.The support guy was very helpful.This is the reply:
There are 2 types of SX9(5 bits and 4-5 bits). Now type1 is supported with X1, by insert a small metal sheet under key. Type2 is not supported now, because X1 can't fix the key in vertical direction(cutting 4 bits side). It is easy to modify software support type2, but how to fix key?
So it's mainly a clamp problem.
We will see in the future the improvements.

[securipro38]

i will be putting it through its paces on back of van for the next few months , see how it copes in temperatures and frost and see how it copes with the rigours of being on van.

had a quick play tonight with a few simple ne73 , it decoded and cut spot on , the list of renault and peugeot doesnt include the va2/va6 1234QH5678 series or the aygo b series codes , so at present these are a no go .

plenty to test and plenty to report in the comming months .
Hi talked today with condor support and told me that update for va2 keys sould be ready for this week ,can you confirm when you ty to update please?
Also Told me that instacode compatibility with instacode software connected to computer is in study

[armpower]

Hallo

I've got the permission to post the online update tool for condor.
If someone want to try the update his Condor, this is the right tool.
Yesterday i've updated my Condor to firmware 2.2.7.

245221

Hope this help

[armpower]

Hallo

I've take a new video about Condor.
In this video you can see Condor cutting a HU100 Opel key.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIVZhHOcvE
Just some quick info.
I've to say the support team works well.
In a couple of day have fixed some small bug.
For example the cutting track of SIP22 key was larger than original key for about 1mm.
I've contacted the support and in about one hour have fixed the problem.
A couple of days ago VAC102,HU71P,HON70 keys were added.
For VA2 key question.Support team gave me this answer:
"The decode of PG33(va2) key is not supported, but cutting by code was added ,please input code and try"
So is in beta stage.
If you want to update your machine with latest or custom made firmware or have some request for bug fixing contact
the support man.He was very helpful.
Hope this help.
In the next days i'll add some more videos.

Cheers

[siyadk]

Armpower... Who did u contact for support?

[armpower]

I've contacted this skype address

CONDOR_KEYMACHINE@hotmail.com

[whiskeyman]

7 mins to cut the hu100 ?

[armpower]

About 7 minutes.
By the way i've choose this option to cut the key:
Cutting speed: medium
Cutter: 2,5 mm
Machine speed: medium
For cutting the key groove i've choose the two passes option.
So the Condor cut the groove side in two passes.
Maybe if i'll set the cutting speed option on high and cutting in one passes,
probably Condor will take half the time.

Cheers

[radu_stoica78]

The tibbe ford blade is supported ?

[armpower]

For now not.
Soon will be supported.
Support man told me they started to mass-produce the tibbe clamp.
So in the next weeks or maybe month the clamp and the support will be ready.
Hope this help

[rapidlocksmiths]

2 passes is wise especially if using chinese alloy blades , though ive kept machine on medium on one pass and its been performing well even on chinese blades , the NE73 decode can be out if not 100% precise when clamping the key .

so far its worked well on the back of the van in uk weathers .

sx9 they will have to develop a clamp , as despite being listed on the machine , it doesnt fit in the clamp at all , so for now theres no sx9 coverage despite being listed.

on the whole its well worth the money and works very well .

my only concern at present is if one goes wrong as shipping to and from china alone will make it expensive , this will ease when uk and euro distributors take it on , but of course that will increase the price to take in their profit , support and warranty .

but on the whole its a very very good machine for the money , its quiet in use , its robust and it works well .

i have sent them depth , space and key measurements for VA2 1234Q5678H series and aygo B code details , i have also sent them some other key details too.

[MrSporty]

Received one of these the other day and am very impressed with the quality.

I cut a HON66 Chinese blade on the fastest settings as a first test and it breezed thru it with the supplied 2.5mm cutter. Opened and started my Civic as easy as the factory key.

It does seem to have a few common UK blades missing but there seems to be a lot of interchangeable blade types. Just wondering if anyone knows if a P38 blade can be cut as a HU71P scania blade ? It seemed to decode and cut fine.

The machine came shipped with english firmware ver 2.2.8. Although that is the latest version I bit the bullet and attempted an online update. It worked fine but took and absolute age to complete .. around 45 minutes. Looks like the usb serial port they use is pretty slow.

Im pretty intrigued as to the operating system/firmware that this is based on. I think it would be pretty outstanding to be able to open the firmware up a bit to see if its possible to tailor some of the profiles to our own localised blades. I'll be adding some pics of the controller boards as I strip this puppy down.

[aassfour]

anyone knows if it does benz Blade ?

[MrSporty]

It'll cut a HU36,39,55,64 and HU72R. There are quite a few more listed under Mercedes.

[Rtronics]

Hi, i received my Condor the other day.
Just wondering what machine is this a copy of ? does any one know.
Can we select a machine type in instacode that will be sort of compatible with the condor ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

no its not compatible im afraid , certainly not at present and its not a copy its their own database and software

[zecozc]

Dears:
i got this offer for E9 yesterday it is a copy Miricale A9

[totalkey]

Dears:
i got this offer for E9 yesterday it is a copy Miricale A9

From Qinuo company?


Tapatalk

[rambit]

Hi guys ive been researching these machines an the condor is a clone of the bianchi 994 ..the x6 is the clone of a5..the condor is a good machine and according to a friend that has the x6 he hasnt been disappointed yet..still weighing my options since the e9 is 1700usd an the x6 is 1220usd

[paul_12345]

.........................

[Rtronics]

I copied a Subaru dat17 , Toyota mr2 and a BMW e87 smart key. All good. I tried a Mercedes w203 flat blade but it didn't work.

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[Rtronics]

Any news on the tibbe ?

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[armpower]

Hallo

About tibbe.A chinese supplier told me the new clamp is arrived and on sale.
In the next day i'll place a order and i will tell you the news.

[Rtronics]

if u have a link to purchase this clamp, it would be nice.

[MrSporty]

Ill second that, a tibbe clamp for the condor would be great.

[Cromwe11]

Clamp for Ford (http://www.autokeys.us/product_details.php?category_id=156&item_id=2396)

[MrSporty]

http://www.sinodownloads.com/down/download/PDF/3511160_CONDOR_XC-007_User_Manual_V1_3.pdf

English user manual if anyone wants it. Seems to be a factory debug mode for testing all the available options which is nice.

[Rtronics]

i am in the middle of arranging a tibbe clamp. having said that i just updated online.
version 2.2.8 is what i received. which is the same version before i started. lol
anyway, i dont see any tibbe keys in menu list. maybe hopefully in the next update, otherwise whats the point of selling the clamp.....
maybe i missed something?

[H.Wessel]

anybody could upload condor drivers?

Regards

[sparkz02]

Does this have the SAAB 93 key on menu 7 cut, come out on the A5 within last few months I believe. Any news on the VA6 yet?

[kemaster]

Hi Guys. Would those of you who own Condor, share which supplier you used to buy from?

[MrSporty]

Got mine from ZLS Tech. Just a reseller..

[54321]

Looks like everybody's stopped selling the Condor for the time being, ''out of stock'' with all resellers. Seems like they are pushing the A7 clone for some reason?

[rapidlocksmiths]

or could be down to a euro supplier who has ordered alot of these as taking it on as a european distributor , universal imports had these in stock a few days ago too

[autoTkey]

Anyone tried using different cutters(not the ones supplied with the machine as I'm guessing they are not the finest quality)?
So are other cutters compatible with the XC-007?

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive no problem so far with the condor cutters , spot on so far and not overpriced .

[diagprog7]

Because the yield is 80-100 units per month, some time ago, screw supply Taiwan suppliers out of the question, delivery delayed, causing the entire plant can not prompt delivery, now unable to meet the monthly production capacity of Chinese customers needs, resulting in orders from other countries that we can not handle.

[urcarpc]

I have this ikeycutter, and recently bought tibbe x3 fixture but havnt tried it yet.

So far this machine is pretty good, slightly dissapointed with not being able to cut renault keycard blades easily, and the sx9 4x5 cut is impossible (slight chance with the 5 cut but very stiff)

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[Rtronics]

Has anyone successfully cut a Mercedes w203 or w204 key yet. I've tried key learning option with existing key but it doesn't work. I think this machine should have had a stopper of some sort so you know how far you need to insert the key. Either that or I am doing something wrong.

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[urcarpc]

Has anyone successfully cut a Mercedes w203 or w204 key yet. I've tried key learning option with existing key but it doesn't work. I think this machine should have had a stopper of some sort so you know how far you need to insert the key. Either that or I am doing something wrong.

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Are you trying to cut hu64 key. Add a picture of keyblade

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[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

the key stop could be longer which would help on some keys where position is crucial , its the same with HU58 . ive made a longer stop which allows me more accuracy with this positioning on the laser clamp , so i can place at exactly position 1 or 2.

some keys dont matter as the sensor measures tip position , on some it doesnt measure tip position so correct positioning is crucial.

make yourself a longer stop piece and it will work fine.

[whiskeyman]

IKEYCUTTER CONDOR XC-007 Update Video - YouTube (http://youtu.be/_WJkawY_xac)

[Rtronics]

There is a new update. i updated 2 days ago. new menu. dont need to select blade, but you can select car, you can do it either way. also re done w203 key now after update, no problems. contact your supplier for update. enjoy.

[armpower]

Hallo mate

In the last 10 days the Condor support torught Skype is down.
So i can't upgrade to version 2.29 because i need the latest update tool software.The old one not work.
Can you post here the update tool software?

Another question.Have you experienced some problem cutting GT15 keys.
Sometimes the cut is misalligned.When the Condor try to cut the 2th side of the key , during the translation from one side to other, the cutter cut the tip of the key.
After the cutting operation the final key is without the tip (truncate tip).
I hope you have understand my poor english.

Many thanks

[cqae]

hey r tronics, I'm in aus too, as you already know, where did you get your condor from?

[aassfour]

anyone have a link to download the software for the condor ?
mine arrived without any CD

[diagprog7]

hi,armpower,you can give me your skype,i can help you.
2.29 is good!

[armpower]

Hallo

Many thanks for your help.
I've send to you a PM.

Cheers

[MrSporty]

CONDOR Automatic Key Cutting Machine Online Update Tool V1.4.1(en)

Zippyshare.com - CONDOR Automatic Key Cutting Machine Online Update Tool V1.4.1(en).rar (http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/96089255/file.html)

[MrSporty]

Just a quick addition. The update runs slightly different to previous ones, the Condor will reboot a couple of times (once with no icons) then the last part seems to contact their update server quite a few times before completing. Took a total of 15 mins.

[diagprog7]

Yes, early upgrade to 1 hours, the new update, faster, the expected time is 10-20 minutes.

[armpower]

Hallo

I've tried the upgrade but the upgrade stop after connecting to server.
Now my Condor display internal error 1.Some parts of software not work.
I've tried the internal erro fix in the upgrade tool but not work.
Have you got and idea?
It's a bit of pain for me because i can't use the Condor.

[armpower]

Hallo

I've retried today.Sorted!!
The update goes to the end without problem.
Anyone have experienced some problem cutting GT15 Keys?

[Rtronics]

Anyone cut a Lexus key successfully ? Put in the bitting and its wrong. Nothing like the picture.

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[Cromwe11]

Just cut a toy48 to check. depths and spaces are correct but look a little different to the image on the screen. I tapped in some random bittings to test.
used axis A-13535
axis B-13531
But it actually cut
axis A-13335
axis B-13531
so there does appear to be some sort of problem on this one

[paul_12345]

just got my new toy.. f**k me this things a lot bigger in person!

NE73 decoded and cut looks a bit odd compared to miracle cut key and original but works ok

[Rtronics]

Just cut a toy48 to check. depths and spaces are correct but look a little different to the image on the screen. I tapped in some random bittings to test.
used axis A-13535
axis B-13531
But it actually cut
axis A-13335
axis B-13531
so there does appear to be some sort of problem on this one

Yeah I did the same. Doesn't cut what you put in. I'm guessing that if key code is not in database it won't cut properly. It should cut whatever bitting you put in manually.

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[rapidlocksmiths]

you have to be spot on with shoulder placement on ne72 and ne73 or it miscuts , and you should use the 1mm cutter for best results on ne73

[paul_12345]

you have to be spot on with shoulder placement on ne72 and ne73 or it miscuts

yh, I found that out the first cut ;) why they just didn't do end stops I dont know!

I use 1.5mm all the time anyway

[autoTkey]

I'm just wondering. How helpful is that machine if the client has lost all his keys and there's no key to decode?

Is taking the lock apart the only "universal" way to get the mechanical key code for cutting the key?

[rapidlocksmiths]

the machine can

1) cut to manufacturers key code
2) copy an existing key
3) you can enter the key cuts and cut the key
4) if you only have partial cuts , you can enter the cuts you know and use the built in fill program to find the missing cuts or crate a cutting tree to cut

so it can do what most other machines can do without the need for instacode as find biting program is built into machine

so if you dont have a key to copy , and you dont have a key code , then you must either pick and decode with lishi then enter the cuts you want , or pull the lock , strip , read and enter the cuts , just as with every other machine , no machine can create a key without the code , cuts or key to copy , so it is as helpfull as all other key machines , more so if you dont have instacode as it has a fill program built in.

[dmp]

sorted , clamp was siezed , now up and running so the fun begins.

after a quick scout through the software , there is no functions for VA6 at all , so no coverage yet of clio 3 , aygo , new ds3 , and no coverage yet of renault card keys either .
im going to send details to see if these can be added .

now its up and running its time to play

My clamp is siezed as rapidlocksmiths described (just received the machine). Anyone else had this issue? How did you resolve it safely?

[rapidlocksmiths]

no its not , dont fully unscrew the red knob , unscrew a little till loose , then strike downwards on the red knob , the cutter is then released , you strike the red knob every time to release clamp .

[dmp]

thank you!

It certainly didn't feel like the right thing to do but worked like a charm

[rapidlocksmiths]

they sent me a video to explain it , its simple once you know

[rapidlocksmiths]

if you pm me your email address il send you the instruction pdf ( user manual ) its too big to attach , forum wont allow me to attach it

[dmp]

likely a stupid question but I've searched and cannot find it (could be tired). Where can you choose the number of passes on the z-axis? I couldn't find it on the machine, in the manual or online (I've seen it in a video somewhere but can't remember where). I found the menu with the speed of cutting and the size of cutter but no more.

Also, what is the machine password? It is some default?

Thank you for your help! This machine works great, I cut some vag keys and a TOY48 blade and they are spot on. So far, just getting used to it but seems great

[autoTkey]

if you pm me your email address il send you the instruction pdf ( user manual ) its too big to attach , forum wont allow me to attach it

Could you upload it here, for example:
https://mega.co.nz/

[54321]

Also, what is the machine password? It is some default?

password is 123456

[54321]

The manual can be downloaded here (http://www.cardiag.co.uk/service/ikeycutter-condor-xc-007-master-user-manual-479.html)

[Cromwe11]

Anyone else had problems snapping probes off. I'm only having the problem when using the c clamp to do renault card key blades.
Just broken another one. I recalibrated the clamps and cutter first and still got the problem. I can take the probe out to avoid it happening but would be nice to find a solution.

[54321]

I don't think the Condor can do the emergency blade yet, would be nice to get an update for these. My condor struggles to even detect the key and when it does it won't cut deep enough even with the depth settings adjusted.

[Cromwe11]

I've had no problems decoding or cutting Renault emergency key blades. If you choose the copy key option and select by model they are there. It's just the probe catching the clamp that's causing an issue

[MrSporty]

I'm in the same boat as 54321 on this. Using firmware 2.2.9

Attempting to cut a blade leaves it with a faint outline of the cut milled into the surface. Attempting to decode just has the probe enter the original key, sweep side to side a few times and then fail.

BTW, this is using the chinese keyblades for the laguna with the lurid green cover. They do seem slightly thinner than the grey handled originals.

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive had the machine a year now and still on original probe , not broken one yet , though i havnt decoded a card key with it as i use viper for these as normally out on site and condor is in workshop , i will test this on mine and see if i can find a solution to the cutting of these .

[viw9419]

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[54321]

281679Can somebody confirm where the Condor is saying to place the key in this picture, i've circled the area with a yellow circle. I'm having a play around with the machine and i'm trying to copy a hu83 key. From what i've gathered its asking for the key to be placed up to the keys shoulder but the hu83 key has no shoulder??

[Cromwe11]

Someone made a cock up on the software. It should be on the 2nd end stop.

[54321]

Is anybody having trouble copying keys with the condor?

I've not been able to copy a single key successfully, I'm using a 1.5mm probe and a 2.0mm cutter, I've calibrated the tool many times but it makes no difference.

I've tried 2007 Astra hu100, Citroen dispatch hu83, Golf hu66, tried about 5 blanks on each of these and none copied correctly.

Any ideas?

[MrSporty]

it may sound daft but are you sure those cutters are 2.0. The ones that ship with the Condor are 2.5.

[54321]

Yes I was using the 2.5 at first but then I changed it to a 2.0 to see if that would make any difference, both sizes fail to copy

[dmp]

Try to calibrate. I made a key for a BMW HU92R and it worked perfectly. A few days later I made the exact same key (by code, same code) and it didn't cut the correct depth. The machine was unplugged but wasn't moved at all, after recalibrating the x2 jaw it was spot on (just recut the same key because it was too shallow not too deep).

Try cutting one to code and see if it's the cutting part or the decoding part that is incorrect.

[rapidlocksmiths]

when calibrating , are you calibrating just the cutters or the cutters and the clamps , try to recalibrate jaws to see if this helps .

check connections are all tight too.

site read key to check if decode is correct once you read it , you can at least narrow down if decode or cut is wrong

[autoTkey]

oopsss.... repeating question....

rapidlocksmiths already explained to me on previous page most of the advantages and options of XC-007, but I wanted to know if there is a tool which can extract the key code by OBD2, so you can just plug it in get the code cut the key without taking the lock apart or calling the distributor ..if you don't have the corresponding Lishi tool?

[rapidlocksmiths]

only vauxhall tend to pull key code via obd , some like bmw can be read via eeprom , and some like hyundai , kia can be found by entering vin number in a program like ad600 or icc .

but to reliably get key cuts from most you will need to pick and decode with lishi or pull and strip the lock down

[nikolanik]

who is the distributor in Europe?

[p1et]

In Europe, 3D Group sells it as 'Lishi Cut to Code Pro Master' and Noimmo sell as 'iKeyCutter'

[florinyes]

Hi

I need to cut a Clio VA2 blade with latest 2.2.9 firmware and the machine freezes? Anyone can confirm it can do this key if 3D manages to sort this issue?

Also looks like this Clio Va2 blade is same as Smart 451 HU103 wich is not listed. Will it work on these?

cheers

[rapidlocksmiths]

They have only released the software to date for the VA2 ABCDEF series i believe , as far as im aware they havnt released the software for the 1234Q5678H series , also as far as im aware no machine can accurately decode this series yet , silca viper cant decode it but can cut it , miracle can decode some but not all .

silca viper to date is best ive tried for cutting this series , but your machine doesnt have this software as yet , they are working on it from what im told , but cutting software will be released before the decode software as all manufacturers struggling on decode for this one

isnt HU103 the short version HU66 blade used on audi ? its not a smart blade or va2 blade ?

HU103 isnt listed on machine as yet , for audi , though the 2 HU66 versions are std and extended cut under hu66 .

doesnt smart use an HU56R blade which is listed on machine or is on mine , but not under smart and none of the smart key codes are listed , but you can select HU56R key and manually input the cuts to cut the key .

my guess is they update series from the likes of instacode and generecode , as hu103 isnt listed on instacode and smart details are limited too , that this may be where the hold up is .

i like the machine and believe its alot of coverage and alot of machine for the money , though maybe i dont expect as much from the machine , i have viper which has more coverage but is also more than double the price , i also have miracle A6 which is considerably dealer and not without its bugs and issues , im happy with the coverage it gives versus cost , and it may take longer than more expensive makes to get equal coverage , but they are working on it and add new coverage on a regular basis , so only a matter of time before they catch up , i can forgive them this as still a cheap machine compared to ones that have superior coverage .

i found an error with the renault cards coverage , as the use jaw c , and due to the depth of cut as a 1 sided key , the machine sheers off the tracer as it hits jaw , ive suggested they move this from jaw c to jaw A , then the tracer is in fresh air so resolves issue , it also cuts the cuts 0.2mm too high , so need an adjustment to their software which they are working on and will be fixed in an update soon.

[rm23]

rapidlocksmiths - i have broken 2x tracker probe on megane and scenic blade !!! i have 2.2.9 firmware ;((((

[rapidlocksmiths]

let me guess , they broke whilst cutting the key , hit the jaw and sheered off ?

i have been in touch and suggested they move the jaw from C to A , as if on A jaw the probe wont come into contact wth clamp so will not sheer of , the factory have promised to look at this and fix on next update .

[Cromwe11]

rapidlocksmiths - i have broken 2x tracker probe on megane and scenic blade !!! i have 2.2.9 firmware ;((((

Only way to cut these without snapping the probe at the moment is to press cut. Wait until the machine has taken its reference from the back of the clamp and before it starts the cut pause the machine. Then either remove the probe or raise it out of the way. Then press cut again.

[paul_12345]

Just had an idea might make this easier.. Make two tubes >6mm internal with a bottom on each - cut each so that they can be put over the cutter/tracer so that they can be used to align them without having to do the calibration.

Then just replace the grub screw with a thumb screw, this way you can simply undo the thumb screw push up the tracer - then after/before decoding place the tube over the tracer and undo thumb screw to align.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Hi

I need to cut a Clio VA2 blade with latest 2.2.9 firmware and the machine freezes? Anyone can confirm it can do this key if 3D manages to sort this issue?

Also looks like this Clio Va2 blade is same as Smart 451 HU103 wich is not listed. Will it work on these?

cheers

ive just had a look at my own machine at the issues you mention

1) smart car is not listed , so no smart car codes are on the machine , however , HU56R is listed , so you can enter the direct cuts by selecting HU56R and cutting the key from the inputted cuts without issue

2) HU103 isnt listed for late audi , though not tested myself , the factory claim these will cut fine if selecting HU75 from menu then ext series , they claim this cuts fine the hu103 , but ive not checked this one

3) VA2 newer series 1234Q5678H for clio 3 , aygo and new peugeot citroen , this is listed in the machine , search under key blanks and enter va2eh2 , this will bring this series up and allow you to cut this key for your clio 3 , i found a bug where on mine it doesnt cut the tip ramp fully , though easily fixed with a hand file , but ive notified them of the bug on the tip ramps.

renault cards ive sent them a picture guide of why the tracers are snapping and 2 fixes for this , one fix is very very simple and just involves moving the cutting to jaw a from jaw c to cure this .

hope this helps

[rapidlocksmiths]

Only way to cut these without snapping the probe at the moment is to press cut. Wait until the machine has taken its reference from the back of the clamp and before it starts the cut pause the machine. Then either remove the probe or raise it out of the way. Then press cut again.

i can confirm that the above very helpful and accurate post works fine as a temporary solution to snapping tracers on renault card keys

1) press cut
2) after the machine has taken its calibrations and before cutting click pause
3) remove tracer or raise tracer by undoing grub screw
4) once removed or raised then continue cut

its not ideal but will save your tracers while the factory work on this.

[rm23]

ok thanks for ideas but how you decode plastic vw passat keys? every time when i put them tracker go through it and say no key detected. When tracker was checking key i put hu66 key metal one and fast swop to plastic before start cutting, i got cut but tracker gone broke again on this plastic key do not know why ;( maybe because i have been messing about with them keys bu hu66 same like passat plastic black blade;(

sorry for english;)

[paul_12345]

ok thanks for ideas but how you decode plastic vw passat keys? every time when i put them tracker go through it and say no key detected. When tracker was checking key i put hu66 key metal one and fast swop to plastic before start cutting, i got cut but tracker gone broke again on this plastic key do not know why ;( maybe because i have been messing about with them keys bu hu66 same like passat plastic black blade;(

sorry for english;)

the tracer uses grounding to sense contact so key needs to be conductive;

if you want to decode plastic use; http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_21602.jpg

[florinyes]

ive just had a look at my own machine at the issues you mention

1) smart car is not listed , so no smart car codes are on the machine , however , HU56R is listed , so you can enter the direct cuts by selecting HU56R and cutting the key from the inputted cuts without issue

2) HU103 isnt listed for late audi , though not tested myself , the factory claim these will cut fine if selecting HU75 from menu then ext series , they claim this cuts fine the hu103 , but ive not checked this one

3) VA2 newer series 1234Q5678H for clio 3 , aygo and new peugeot citroen , this is listed in the machine , search under key blanks and enter va2eh2 , this will bring this series up and allow you to cut this key for your clio 3 , i found a bug where on mine it doesnt cut the tip ramp fully , though easily fixed with a hand file , but ive notified them of the bug on the tip ramps.

renault cards ive sent them a picture guide of why the tracers are snapping and 2 fixes for this , one fix is very very simple and just involves moving the cutting to jaw a from jaw c to cure this .

hope this helps


Hi

thanks for your time and such accurate reply!

I have tried the Audi Hu103 to cut as a hu75 and blade will open the door but not the ignition as it won't go in far enough.

The VA2EH2 menu causes another issue for me. the machine will freeze and have to reboot it to get it going again.

I am not slagging it off at all. I do like it and really hope they will work on this.

Best regards

[rapidlocksmiths]

hey

you say the key wont go in ignition far enough on hu103 , i will test on my machine and see if same , if it wont go in far enough it can only be down to the cut , ie extra cut fault or key too sharp and needing a touch up with file .

on my machine the clio 3 cut on the va2eh2 setting cuts a perfect key , bar the tip , it leaves the tip too high as desnt cut in the tip ramp fully or correctly , a quick finsish on the tip ramp with a file and key works spot on , i have half a dozen clio3 ignitions here which ive tested this on , all cut tip too high and to square , a quick file to install the tip ramp and all is fine , ive told the factory and hope they correct this .

ive already sent them photos of the renault by passs key issues and how to fix it , so fingers crossed they listen and act .

what i would suggest with your machine if freezing up on the va2-eh2 setting , try updating the machine again with a clean install , then calibrate your clamps and your cutters again , also before and after update of the machine use the v button next to the update button to try and fix any issues , apparantly this is what its for , but after update always recalibrate clamps and cutters fully , this may well resolve alot of your problems .

also try this recalibration method as well . as has worked for some on another forum

please check:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gw6ZgH0COg&feature=youtu.be

1. change 2.5mm cutter, enter into Device Initialization →ATC height leveling→after finish, choose Cutter diameter as 5.2mm
2. enter into Factory mode→Cutting calibration（use x1 Fixture, clip one blank honda hon66 fetus, please make sure clear it after cutting, then click"continue"）
3.back to homepage, enter into Device Initialization, initialize x1 and x2

Please follow above sequence to do this, do not change pdx, pdv and dm by your hand

[raptureready]

the tracer uses grounding to sense contact so key needs to be conductive;

if you want to decode plastic use; http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_21602.jpg
I remember the time I tried to decode a plastic key, tracer ran right through key, funny now but shocked then, one of those Kodak moments :burnout:

[rapidlocksmiths]

i have been told that a new update will be released in next 24 hours from condor , where bugs in the HU56R software have been rectified as well as a few others , but renault will be on next update .

i will recieve a new version of update tool in next 24 hours too which i will post up once i recieve it

[rapidlocksmiths]

ok all

im told by the factory that there will be some new updates on condor tonight/tomorow

The VA2-eh2 issue on the tip cuts for the clio3 and 1234Q5678H series will be made on friday correcting the cutting issues of these .

the renault card issues im told are due to key thickness , the original key im told is 3mm thick , where all aftermarket keys are 2mm to 2.3mm thick , this is why the probe is snapping on the clamp , they will release a clamp like the silca L clamp that silca use to combat this issue shortly , or you can use a silca clamp to cure the issue or any spacer that raises key to 3mm for now.
it seems that the vast majority of our key suppliers must be using aftermarket blanks if the factory are correct , i have 3 OEM locks with keys here and each oem key the blade is 3mm thick , i have 24 blanks in stock bought from 3d group and from china and all are 2.3mm thisck , so they may well be correct .

they will release soon an adaptor that like the silca L adaptor will raise the key to be at the 3mm key height which will cure the probe snapping issue , i tested a key using my silca adaptor and it cut fine without breaking probe so it looks like a permenent fix is iminent for this one .

latest update tool attached

[rm23]

rapidlocksmiths thank you, you main man !!

[insomnia2009]

im only starting out in this game and was going to buy the x6 but this machine seems the real thing going to buy it this weekend anyone recommend some were to buy it thanks

[Cromwe11]

im only starting out in this game and was going to buy the x6 but this machine seems the real thing going to buy it this weekend anyone recommend some were to buy it thanks

I'd pass on the x6 someone local to me has one and it never calibrates properly and has needed a few repairs despite little use.
The Condor whilst not perfect is 100x better in my opinion. My Condor was supplied by ZLS Tech through there Aliexpress store (obd2tool.co.uk are the same company) and I cant fault them.

[estate]

Do these cut tibbe well?

[paul_12345]

Do these cut tibbe well?

ordered a x3 clamp few days ago will take some pics of cut once it arraives

[estate]

Lovely stuff Paul ;)

[strat]

seems support is much better with the condor and regular update/fixes... but how long with it last.. :D

post up a vid of the tibb clamp at work..

[viw9419]

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[siyadk]

Condor engineers and dk contributors ...pls inform the company that it cannot cut these two types of keys

http://store.hklock.com/hh11341008.html

http://store.hklock.com/hh11048001.html

[obdmaster]

Can someone tell me the total height of condor machine with guard up (limited height in my van from worktop), also is there brackets provided to bolt machine down in van. If not how are you guys attaching condor to bench in van??

[paul_12345]

Can someone tell me the total height of condor machine with guard up (limited height in my van from worktop), also is there brackets provided to bolt machine down in van. If not how are you guys attaching condor to bench in van??

60cm would clear the guard fully up, you could get away with around 50cm as you dont need to raise the guard up fully, theres no plate but theres 4 rubber feet held with bolts you can get longer bolts and secure it with them

[paul_12345]

although you might block your view of the screen at 50cm as 50 is the top of the machine

[obdmaster]

60cm would clear the guard fully up, you could get away with around 50cm as you dont need to raise the guard up fully, theres no plate but theres 4 rubber feet held with bolts you can get longer bolts and secure it with them

What do you honestly prefer your A9 or condor ??

Thanks again

Paul

[paul_12345]

What do you honestly prefer your A9 or condor ??

Thanks again

Paul

condor seems a bit hacked together software wise and like the redesign of the jaws, but seems solid enough build, and I can't see them dropping updates when they are linking option in VVDI and bmw multi-tool with the cutter

I personally dont hold much faith in the long term updates in Miracle machines anymore with them dropping the a5 and creating too many different versions, but they have released the new A9 software and added it to instacode.

So its a hard one, right now if I could only have 1 machine it would have to be the A9, but if I didn't have any machine I think I'd want Silca Futura and condor as a workhorse on common cheap jobs

[rapidlocksmiths]

or me , i like condor alot , i also like my miracle A6 alot , but if i had to choose just one machine then id stick with my silca viper , this has been a solid workhouse , its been on van for 8 years cut well over 16000 keys and is still as good as new .

condor is a great machine at price , but will never replace silca despite having its uses.

[obdmaster]

I have 51cm height from top of my worktop to roof, whats your opinion will condor be useable?? Or not enough space ??

[paul_12345]

I have 51cm height from top of my worktop to roof, whats your opinion will condor be useable?? Or not enough space ??

you can remove the feet to reduce the height a fraction, you could use it but the viewing angle wont be brilliant, you can easy make out high contrast buttons etc like black and white on key type selection but a lot of buttons are hard to make out at that angle but doable.

in the worse case you could always get a small camera and lcd or tablet etc to get a better look if you wanted to.

[paul_12345]

I've just poped the top off and theres 2x 5 pin connectors for the 2x side buttons and 1x connector for the screen which is a standard pc ide cable type so if you really wanted you could get a long ide cable and remove the screen and mount it at the side and have the cable come out where the screen is.

[diagprog7]

Condor will produce three different types and sizes of key NC machines, manually key-cutting machine, and the design and production of new types of fingerprint lock, universal anti-theft car chips. ... Is the research and development company in China.

[autoTkey]

You can also remove the shield...

[florinyes]

Hi

anyone managed to cut Mercs HU64 key fine? is not decoding the entry OK.

[dmp]

Mine is doing the same thing. I have yet to try 'direct cut', I wonder if it would do the shoulder correctly, they still work, in the door at least, so maybe the tip isn't as important?

[Faraday]

or me , i like condor alot , i also like my miracle A6 alot , but if i had to choose just one machine then id stick with my silca viper , this has been a solid workhouse , its been on van for 8 years cut well over 16000 keys and is still as good as new .

condor is a great machine at price , but will never replace silca despite having its uses.

you do 8 key/per day ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

i cut alot of keys for customers , not as many as i used to since cut to code machines have dropped in price as more have their own machines now , and i used to cut alot of overlifters but again since the lishi 2in1 these have all but dried up now , but these customers over the years paid for my machines and the ones that remain provide me with a good side income

[kevfield]

florinyes (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/109873-florinyes/) Hi pal decode key manualy with Vernier Caliper and see if bitting you get is different than condor decodes if it is then cut to your manual decode......

Thanks kev

[paul_12345]

some tibbe pictures random bitting (241321) took around 7 mins 15 seconds (angle is slightly to one side due to me rushing and not putting it in 100% flat)

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292682&stc=1http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292683&stc=1http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292684&stc=1

[whiskeyman]

Ain't a pretty key paul
as long as it works

[paul_12345]

Ain't a pretty key paul
as long as it works

to be fair it looks better in person, but they do need to change it so that it cuts in 2 passes to get the correct width rather than having one 1.5mm cut to remove the silly lips on each cut

this wouldn't take much extra time at all and look far better

[paul_12345]

just noticed the part that holds the end of the blade is just a bit too tight so might need a slight bit of filing to get the blade sitting right against the screw adjustment.

I've just tried a the cutter from the manual vertical goso type adaptor set on the condor it makes the edges very rough but obviously it thinks the cutter is 1.5mm not 2.2mm, but ignoring that it now looks a lot better, so with a bit of tweaking to there software to make two passes with 1.5mm or 2mm cutter this will deffo be a viable option to cut tibbes.

I will drop them an email.. hopefully they will get this updated asap.

[estate]

i will buy one.......... one day.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i must admit , i have the tibbe clamp for this and for the miracle A6 , but i never use them , i still opt for my silca delta FO dedicated machine for tibbe , perfect key in a few minutes every time , ive never been a lover of clamps for tibbe , a good stand alone machine is quicker and tidier .
its nice to know i have the clamps if ever stuck , but my silca delta fo still has its place on my van.

[totalkey]

i must admit , i have the tibbe clamp for this and for the miracle A6 , but i never use them , i still opt for my silca delta FO dedicated machine for tibbe , perfect key in a few minutes every time , ive never been a lover of clamps for tibbe , a good stand alone machine is quicker and tidier .
its nice to know i have the clamps if ever stuck , but my silca delta fo still has its place on my van.
Why silca stop the delta fo.?

[paul_12345]

this is with the 2.2mm cutter (some roughness removed)

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=292720&stc=1

[viw9419]

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[totalkey]

Pinky is right. The best bargain for Tibbe is the Jakey Lynx, these cut a perfect key and go for ?200. Mine must have cut 4-500 keys and they take a couple of minutes maximum.
How sale this please?

[obdsystems]

I'd rather just have the 1 machine as the van is full up as is

[totalkey]

I looking for machine that can cut tibbe and also safes keys. 2hand

[rapidlocksmiths]

the best cut for a safe key is by hand , failing this and if quality safe keys then you really want a dedicated mortice machine like the silca lancer , though if using a machine i find for best quality all mortice and safe keys need hand finishing for best results .

as machines become more multi use they will always lose something in functionality and quality of cut .

my first machine for safe keys was an old mancuna , but despite its age , some TLC and it was a great machine .

i know it uses space and can be expensive , but you cant beat dedicated machines for dedicated jobs , its a bit like a skilled tradesman and handymen , handymen cover bits and bobs of multitrades but the specialist does that bit more .

i used to know a great safe engineer , he had a lancer on back of van but mostly cut and finished his keys by hand .

most of the dedicated tibbe machines are superb , and second hand they dont break bank , and as dedicated to just 1 job they tend to be very fast and very reliablle .

[eepromRipper]

the best cut for a safe key is by hand , failing this and if quality safe keys then you really want a dedicated mortice machine like the silca lancer , though if using a machine i find for best quality all mortice and safe keys need hand finishing for best results .

as machines become more multi use they will always lose something in functionality and quality of cut .

my first machine for safe keys was an old mancuna , but despite its age , some TLC and it was a great machine .

i know it uses space and can be expensive , but you cant beat dedicated machines for dedicated jobs , its a bit like a skilled tradesman and handymen , handymen cover bits and bobs of multitrades but the specialist does that bit more .

i used to know a great safe engineer , he had a lancer on back of van but mostly cut and finished his keys by hand .

most of the dedicated tibbe machines are superb , and second hand they dont break bank , and as dedicated to just 1 job they tend to be very fast and very reliablle .

very true, best way to cut this ford key is by hand. am not a pro but for this particular key i can cut 20pcs while singing and dancing and it will be perfect.

[totalkey]

very true, best way to cut this ford key is by hand. am not a pro but for this particular key i can cut 20pcs while singing and dancing and it will be perfect.
Now you blow my mind, please share how to cut it by hand,,,,,, pleaseeee

[eepromRipper]

Ok am going to make a video and post. How many keys do you want me to cut? 😀

[totalkey]

He he, I waiting by the computer for your movie

[florinyes]

Where did ya get your tibbe clamp from Paul? Autokeys us had no stock when last ordered.

[paul_12345]

Where did ya get your tibbe clamp from Paul? Autokeys us had no stock when last ordered.

can get them on aliexpress for about 175-185 usd delivered (china post) I wouldn't really recommend unless they do an update to cut the proper width

[paul_12345]

I've emailed support who have been good at replying, but say you should just a 2.1mm cutter, they do not seem too keen on adding a two pass option, but I have sent them some pseudo code that should be pretty easy to add to their code depending how they've programmed it.. and even offered to write the code properly if they send me the code that handles the tibbe cutting... bit frustrating as I dont think they will even though they wont have to do hardly anything.


*edit - support said they will add the 2 pass with 1.5mm cutter... but they need time to add it, so we'll see. They also said using 1.5mm cutter will not work, so really not worth getting the X3 clamp until they add 1.5mm support else it becomes a massive ball ache, as you would have to remove and change the cutter back to 1.5/2mm then put in X1 clamp to calibrate it, then if you wanted X2 you would have to change clamp again

[54321]

Has anybody managed to successfully cut a hu83 key with the Condor?

[dustin2014]

Yes, Ive done quiet a few HU83 Peugeot keys on the Condor. No problem at all.

[54321]

Yes, Ive done quiet a few HU83 Peugeot keys on the Condor. No problem at all.
Have you copied a hu83 using the Condor? If so where are you placing the key, up to what stopper line?

[dustin2014]

Yes mate, I've copied the Hu83 and also cut from code. As far as I can recall I put the tip stop in the first stopper line.

[paul_12345]

I see ecutools have the new mini condor listed now - only 500 usd more then they have condor listed for.

http://www.ecutool.com/CONDOR-XC-MINI-Master-Series-Automatic-Key-Cutting-Machine_11739.html

[p1et]

It looks awesome :)

[autoTkey]

Have any of you used the Condor for cutting Clio3/Kangoo2 keys?
I'm using the latest software but cutting is wrong still.
Here are some pictures:
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This I did through Cut by code function.

If I try to select VA2 through Key copy menu(tried both) the machine freezes and needs hard reset.

I tried asking the machine to read the key by itself and also tried inputting the code values manually - result is the same.

[54321]

I've got the same issue, annoying! The only va2 key i got to cut correctly was by using the va2t option and not the va2eh option. Try va2t option

[autoTkey]

I also tried that. Still the same result. Key is cut very wide and the cutter is leaving some uncut parts like in the picture upstairs.

[54321]

I notice you have a 1.5mm cutter, have you tried 2.5mm? I think your problem is the 1.5mm cutter is too narrow and can't reach the entire cut.

Change to a 2.5mm cutter and make sure you calirate everything again and make sure the machine is calibrated to a 2.5mm cutter.

[autoTkey]

I tried with 2.5 and it's better but still the original key width is 2.80mm and the Condor makes it a wide 3.2mm and it doesn't unlock.

[drakov]

Is the condor and condor mini made by the same company?

[paul_12345]

Is the condor and condor mini made by the same company?

yes, xhorse

[cqae]

was hoping someone could shed some light on my X1 clamp. I just took delivery of my condor & the X1 clamp doesnt have deep enough grooves to put the stop block in. I can put it in the shoulder slot, but not the end stop, so am wondering how I would actually get a consistant position for keys that requires the end stop position? Below is a pic of my clamp, on most all of the videos Ive viewed, the grooves are deep enough for the little block to sit right into?
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=304320&stc=1

[dmp]

I have the same issue but it doesn't matter at all. Eyeball it to get it close and the machine measures it anyways.

[cqae]

ok, cool, I was thinking that. havent done a key with this type of positioning so wasnt sure if it would sensoe the tip location....thank you:)

[54321]

Probe broke today again while cutting, this time duplicating a megane emergency key, it did duplicate the key ok though.

There are a quite a few errors and mistakes within the software, does anybody know if xhorse plans to release any updates soon for the Condor, or is their focus on the mini now?

[paul_12345]

Probe broke today again while cutting, this time duplicating a megane emergency key, it did duplicate the key ok though.

There are a quite a few errors and mistakes within the software, does anybody know if xhorse plans to release any updates soon for the Condor, or is their focus on the mini now?

I think it pretty much uses the same software, I assume their engineers have been busy with the mini hopefully now they will have some time to do some updates, although I offered some tips on the x3 clamp and offered to write the code if they send me the current code for the x3 clamp - kind of brushed it off with good ideas but engineers are very busy will update soon

[54321]

Shame really because its a solid machine and could be really good, especially for the money. But if i had to choose again i wouldn't go for the Condor, i'd go for a used Miracle instead. Too many annoying software mistakes that should have been fixed a while ago and these software issues cost time/money when on the road.

[paul_12345]

Shame really because its a solid machine and could be really good, especially for the money. But if i had to choose again i wouldn't go for the Condor, i'd go for a used Miracle instead. Too many annoying software mistakes that should have been fixed a while ago and these software issues cost time/money when on the road.

yes thats why I just got it as a second machine to do common keys to save wear on my A9 and as a backup if needed.

still condor and a decent manual cutter would not be too bad of an option

[MrSporty]

Wow ! .. that X1 clamp looks so cheap compared to the one that ships with the original units.

Saying that .. the X3 I got for mine is almost useless it's so sloppy. I had to tighten all the grubs up just to get it to hold a tibbe anywhere near properly.

[rapidlocksmiths]

with megane emergency blade , it decodes spot on , but when you cut the key the probe snaps when it hits the carriage as the key needs to cut deep so lowers probe . They have made a shim for this that raises the key by 1mm and it now cuts without damaging probe , any 1mm shim will do the job.

The problem is the keys , OEM renault bypass keys are 3mm thick , the aftermarket keys and the ones sold by 3d etc are all 2mm thick , here lies the problem as the engineers set the machine up to 3mm thick oem keys , they have now made a shim thats 1mm thick to raise key to height of oem key , you can make your own or get one from condor , they work a treat .

[rm23]

Hi to all it may be helpful :

FAQ's
Q - Is it plug operated, and will it run from a van. If so, with what power and what voltage?
A - It is plug operated on standard uk voltage. It can be run on van by plugging it into an inverter. The inverter converts 12v to mains supply.
Q - Cut to code - do you have to enter the code or does it copy by followers?
A - It doesn't work by tracing. You have a choice of how you use it - you can either input the manufacturers code and cut, you can input the cuts manually and cut, or you can read an existing key and copy.
Q - Does it cut all keys or does it need adapters?
A - As it is, it cuts most laser keys and most edge keys for cars on the 2 clamps provided. The only edge key it doesn't do is SX9 for cars - you can purchase a tibbe clamp extra to do tibbe keys. It is an auto key machine so does not do household locks, just car keys.
Q - The special clamps - are they an additional product or are they included?
A - The 2 main clamps are included for laser keys and for edge keys. The tibbe clamp can be purchased separately. No other adaptors are needed.
Q - Are any plug adaptors for vans included or are they chargeable extras?
A - To run it on a van, as long as you have an inverter that converts van battery supply to mains supply then you plug in as normal to mains supply on inverter.
Q - Why do Renault key for cards systems probe snap?
A - The original Renault key cards are 3mm thick, and this is what the machine is set up for. All the after market keys are between 2mm - 2.3mm thick, and the probe snaps as the machine expects there to be a 3mm key. To get around this, you can use a Silca adaptor or any shim that raises the key to 3mm.

[paul_12345]

if (get key height - cut depth < clamp height) warning you are going to brake the tracer!!

not that hard to do on all cuts to stop the tracer braking on the clamp.

For me coding this would be;
make sure clamp is calibrated,
detect height/width of key - warning if wrong - do not allow to proceed if tracer or cutter/clamp will be damaged.
detect tip of key

Then you know exactly were the key is, and on x1 clamp I would take two measures of the edge of the key to tell if the key is in straight if not you can warn or even compensate on the key cutting so it would still cut correct even if its not in straight

[cqae]

im having trouble cutting a tibbe key with my condor & was hoping for some tips on inserting the blade into the clamp correctly. IM pretty sure my cuts are ok, I just dont know how to get the key inserted into the right position so that cut 6 starts in the correct place on the blade

[paul_12345]

im having trouble cutting a tibbe key with my condor & was hoping for some tips on inserting the blade into the clamp correctly. IM pretty sure my cuts are ok, I just dont know how to get the key inserted into the right position so that cut 6 starts in the correct place on the blade

really not that hard to figure that one out.. the screw at the back pushes the key out

simply gauge how much it needs adjusting and adjust it. Also make sure the key is pushed all the way into the hole as mine was a bit too tight

[cqae]

thanks mate, thats my problem.......mine doesnt have a screw on the back

also ive found my key blanks to be very diffrent....the blades for my kd go in, firmly, but they do....my JMA blanks are extremely tight

[paul_12345]

thanks mate, thats my problem.......mine doesnt have a screw on the back

also ive found my key blanks to be very diffrent....the blades for my kd go in, firmly, but they do....my JMA blanks are extremely tight

yep I filed a bit off so that some are a tight fit rather than can't fit, but then some are a bit loose.

Although this isn't much of a problem as the other end holds the blade at the correct angle.

I find its best to loosen the back grub screw so that there a tiny bit of play, then put the key in and put slight clockwise pressure on the key then tighten the grub screw that holds the blade - this is because mine tends to cut more off on the right side I think due to the direction of cutting

I have suggested that they allow us to change the height of the cut as my number 4 cut sometimes takes a tiny bit too much off and cuts into the edge lip - anyone else have the same problem?? I think cutting 0.05mm higher will avoid this and still cut a working key.

[MrSporty]

I have exactly the same problem as you paul with the offset right cuts, almost to the point with some keys that I cut a 3 depth instead and finish it with a file.

[paul_12345]

I have exactly the same problem as you paul with the offset right cuts, almost to the point with some keys that I cut a 3 depth instead and finish it with a file.

I might try suggesting that they cut the right side 0.05mm higher then the left then, although they do not seems to interested at the moment as "the engineer is busy testing the mini"

I also notice that the 2.2mm cutter I got with the manual adaptors for the vertical machine cuts better with the manual machine - its more rough with the condor, maybe it will cut better on a lower rotation speed as it has 3 or 4 teeth.

I've just got a new 2.2mm cutter with 2 teeth so will test that later and see if thats any better

[cqae]

I've just about given up on tibbes with the condor:(

[54321]

I've just about given up on tibbes with the condor:(I've just about given up on the condor, failed to cut hu66 key again yesterday, had to do two passes on each side to get it to work just about. Sick of recalibrating the thing almost daily.

Anybody changed the belt on theirs yet?

[cqae]

ive found it pretty good on basic keys.......but the constant calibrations can be frustrating

[insomnia2009]

I have the lishi which is same machine cut a hu100 cut shape is perfect but to small it reccomends 1.5mm thats what i am using anyone had similar problem

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[autoTkey]

Are any of the new clamps suitable for SX9 ?

[sparkz02]

below:
http://blog.obd2express.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Ikeycutter-Condor-XC007-XC-MINI-Miracle-A7-V8X6-Key-Cutting-Machine-1.jpg (http://blog.obd2express.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Ikeycutter-Condor-XC007-XC-MINI-Miracle-A7-V8X6-Key-Cutting-Machine-1.jpg)

[sparkz02]

2.5 KG for the MINI, what's it made of plastic?


Does this mean development has stopped for the original condor, because I'm aware theres a lot of blades missing on there.

[paul_12345]

2.5 KG for the MINI, what's it made of plastic?


Does this mean development has stopped for the original condor, because I'm aware theres a lot of blades missing on there.

25kg ;)

yes development has stopped to test the new cutter, and they haven't even added a simple option on the tibbe to cut the height 0.05mm higher to avoid cutting the lip.

althought I think once they have test and got any major bugs out of the new mini they will update both, although I would hold buying the new machine as they must have a lot of bugs else they wouldn't be so busy!!

not sure why they made the new machine when the full size one was starting to sell well, I can only assume the mini is cheaper to make, hopefully they will starting updating the xc soon.

[cqae]

I hope they get back on it, I hope they sort out the tibbe issues soon.....ive given up

[Samic]

there are two types of SX9,now the condor xc-007 can cut one of them（2 sides type show in photo）.the new clamp named X4 but still haven't offer the products
about how to cut use condor xc-007:click on"cut by code"→enter"SX9"→choose 5cuts then you can do it.
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=310428&stc=1http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=310429&stc=1

[Samic]

specification of Condor xc-mini
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=310431&stc=1

[paul_12345]

there are two types of SX9,now the condor xc-007 can cut one of them（2 sides type show in photo）.the new clamp named X4 but still haven't offer the products
about how to cut use condor xc-007:click on"cut by code"→enter"SX9"→choose 5cuts then you can do it.
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=310428&stc=1http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=310429&stc=1

you think anyone is going to buy another clamp when you haven't sorted out the problems with the ford clamp??

[54321]

And just to add to Paul's point, you think anybody is going to buy a new mini Condor when you haven't sorted out the problems with the original Condor? Good luck with that.

If the bugs and issues had been fixed in the original Condor months ago like they should of then i would have gone for the mini no problem. But instead i'm getting rid of my Condor as soon as i find a Miracle to replace it with.

[Samic]

you think anyone is going to buy another clamp when you haven't sorted out the problems with the ford clamp??

i have tested ford clamp is ok,and could you sent me the photo/take a video about your problem?

[paul_12345]

i have tested ford clamp is ok,and could you sent me the photo/take a video about your problem?

I sent all details already, cut number 4 cuts to deep mainly on one side, a few people here have said the same. It may still work but looks ugly and no self respecting person could give their customer the key like that.

I think cutting all cuts with the cutter 0.05mm higher up would still work and should solve the problem.

or maybe just cut number 4 0.05mm higher

or just the one side that cuts deeper 0.05mm higher.

Which ever works best.

[Samic]

I sent all details already, cut number 4 cuts to deep mainly on one side, a few people here have said the same. It may still work but looks ugly and no self respecting person could give their customer the key like that.

I think cutting all cuts with the cutter 0.05mm higher up would still work and should solve the problem.

or maybe just cut number 4 0.05mm higher

or just the one side that cuts deeper 0.05mm higher.

Which ever works best.


i have tested，maybe you haven't put the key in the same direct horizontal line，you can see the condor xc-007 tested cutting photo.
the upstairs key→the origin key，the downstairs key→condor XC-007 cutting key
and the cut number 4 is ok，all cuts is ok if you keep the clamp Rotate to a fixed position.
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=311247&stc=1

[Galee]

Where is the option to cut the tibbie keys? I have version 2.2.8 and can't see it under ford/jag I have the x3 clamp also.

[autoTkey]

Just select the car make and the corresponding key blade signature (for Ford tibbe) and it will go in to tibbe mode.

[Galee]

No option on mine for that I select ford then it says input key code and under that it says series hint


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[strat]

i have tested，maybe you haven't put the key in the same direct horizontal line，you can see the condor xc-007 tested cutting photo.
the upstairs key→the origin key，the downstairs key→condor XC-007 cutting key
and the cut number 4 is ok，all cuts is ok if you keep the clamp Rotate to a fixed position.
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=311247&stc=1

can you post a larger picture.

[dustin2014]

Try updating the software.

Update 2.2.9 includes: Modify X3 FO21

There's been a few updates since 2.2.8:

v2.3.0 Beta 7 (2014-11-12)
* Fix bug of key learn
--------------------------------------------
v2.3.0 Beta 6 (2014-11-11)
* Modify HU56 shoulder
* Fix HU64,HU101 shoulder error
--------------------------------------------
v2.3.0 Beta 5 (2014-11-10)
* Modify HU71 tip
* Modify TOY43 bit flat to 80
(down from 100)
* Modify TOY43 tip
* Modify HU101 shoulder
* Modify HU64 shoulder
* Modify HU100 slot width to
280(up from 250)
* Modify TOY40 tip
* Modify TOY48 tip
* Add comment for HU49 246/
256
* Z-axis cutting times adjust is
back
* Increase history record counts
* Laser keys shoulder are more
rounded
* Fix a bug of params or picture
may be lost when turn on the
machine
* You can choose which version
to update with new update
tool(v1.4.3)
--------------------------------------------
v2.2.9 (2014-07-18)
+ Add select keys by car model
+ Add key abrasion correct in
key learn
* Increase history records length
and total count
* Modify HU66 tip and shoulder
* Height detect is now using cutter
* Modify HON66 tip
* Modify HU83 EXT shoulder
* Modify TOY43
* Modify X3 FO21
+ Add RENAULT key
+ Add GREAT WALL key
* Update speed increase

[paul_12345]

i have tested，maybe you haven't put the key in the same direct horizontal line，you can see the condor xc-007 tested cutting photo.
the upstairs key→the origin key，the downstairs key→condor XC-007 cutting key
and the cut number 4 is ok，all cuts is ok if you keep the clamp Rotate to a fixed position.
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=311247&stc=1


please show a bigger picture.

also a few people have said he same issue as me, it is in the correct position - if you rotate the other way it would cut the other side too much also.

The only difference could be the cutter - I do not see anywhere where you sell the cutter made for the condor - please post a decent picture of the cutter and where to buy the same cutter as you

[Galee]

Can someone please upload the update tool and drivers I have downloaded the updated tool in post 53 when I open it it say this application has failed to start because FTD2XX.dll was not found reinstalling the application may fix this problem. Also when I connect to the computer it wants drivers for the key machine.
Thanks
Galee