Audi A6 (C5) 2.5 TDI change diesel pump - how to code IMMO???

[WinWoj]

Hi, I've change diesel pump in A6 2.5 V6, now I need pair new pump driver with ECU. How can I do this, I have VCDS, but I've never do it before.. Some mat told me about chanel 50, but I dont know which code I should put there.. Please help me, urgent.

Ori MPPS readout below:

297261

I'll be very grateful for help

Regards

[tadeo]

This procedure details how to change the Injection Pump on 2.5l V6 TDI Engine in VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda vehicles with Immobilizer III.

Contents [hide]
1 Determining VIN & IMMO-ID
1.1 Engine Control Unit (ECU)
2 Injection Pump Swapping
Determining VIN & IMMO-ID

Engine Control Unit (ECU)
[Select]
[01 - Engine]
Look at the first "Extra" field. The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID.
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]
---OR---
[Select]
[01 - Engine]
[Meas. Blocks - 08]
Select Block 081.
[Go!]
The first 17-digit string is the VIN. The second 14-digit string in the Immo-ID..
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

Injection Pump Swapping

Prerequisites:
The NEW Injection Pump is installed in the car.
Battery voltage at least 12.5 V.
Make sure to have the Immobilizer PIN, for the Engine Control Unit (ECU).

[Select]
[01 - Engine]

[Login - 11]
4-digit PIN
The PIN needs to be entered as 5-digit number. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
[Do it!]

[Adaptation - 10]
Enter 050 in "Channel Number".
[Read]
4-digit PIN
The PIN needs to be entered as 5-digit number. For example, if your PIN is 1234, enter 01234.
[Save]
[Done, Go Back]
[Close Controller, Go Back - 06]

Switch OFF the ignition and let the car sit for ~1 minute, then switch ON the ignition again.
Start the Engine to verify the adaptation was successful.

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer_III_Injection_Pump_Swapping

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[WinWoj]

In this case, PIN code I can read via VCDS, or You can read from my dump?

[sepistar]

vcds can't read pin code.
you can read pin code from ecu with simple kkl interface,search on dk.
or maybe read 24c04 from ecu and post here.
br.

[WinWoj]

i have kkl. which software read pin?

[electrones]

Hi friend

No, you need take out your ecu and read eeprom to get pin code to code your new High fuel pump

Cheers

[WinWoj]

Hi friend

No, you need take out your ecu and read eeprom to get pin code to code your new High fuel pump

Cheers

in my dump 19123 is it PIN?

297326

[electrones]

in my dump 19123 is it PIN?

297326

Hi friend

Not correct
Your pin is 04846

Cheers

[WinWoj]

thanks a lot!!!

PS: Which tool can provide me this info? I used carprog clone, but 6.82 not suports this ecu...

[electrones]

Hi m8

you can use EFfi from SIERRA to do calculation and more......

cheers

[WinWoj]

Hi m8

you can use EFfi from SIERRA to do calculation and more......

cheers

yes m8, but effi is from zedbul and no easy way to run this software.. If You have another - please help, I try to find some solution of zedbul software open.. Anyway - thanks You electrones (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/member.php/299784-electrones), you are good man!

[WinWoj]

OK. I test PIN from You electrones (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/member.php/299784-electrones), and entered - vcds didn't report any error. But - pump module didn't adopted with new PIN. So I checked DTC and supprised - no communication with pump module and no signal (immobiliser blocked also of course). It was after reconnect such chip-box (HOPA DIVO VP44). And I haven't then this chipbox in workshop (bring it to home before) and similar fails was in orginal pump module (which was before in car and was changed). So therefore immo not adopted I think - no ack or another request from pump module and without succes.

Anyway, I found effi and put my dump there and... PIN is different! Why?

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=297430&stc=1

[electrones]

Hi friend

I understand your EFfi need register, if is not registered not calculate correct code.
Your pump is new from dealer or second hand !!????
If is second hand, you will need pin code from old car to adaptation of your fuel pump.


Cheers

[simaservis1108]

Electrones went thru this mess already,he tells correct info :D

[WinWoj]

Electrones went thru this mess already,he tells correct info :D

Yes, I do not doubt the truth mates. But the guy who change only pump module could buy somewhere and determine this PIN from that car is impossible I think... So I'll try use remove immo.

Anyway, is such solution to determine any information from gel-coated module? I've never seen there any so8 package IC...

Many Thanks You guys for help!

[sepistar]

pump are the same number as the 'old' one?
because if is not then you can't match immo.
old pin are not needed.
you have no comm on it because:
pump module are broken or,
pump are not compatible.
when you try to match immo be sure thre are min.12,5v on it.
br.

[WinWoj]

pump remained ori, only "up" is swapped - pump module. And is such as need. I think he put broken module, if plug conector, pump strange buzzes.. Such blocked adjuster like want to achieve position but it can't.. Or is another damage.. Will se soon. Immo off solution I have ready, but I think good pump module will solve adaptation problem.

[art64]

You can read pin from the second hand pump connecting directly to the pump (not via OBD) let you use some device like carprog

1pin CAN-L , 2 - CAN-H , 5 - Shutoff signal , 6 - Earth , 7 - Power supply, term.15 , 8 - RPM signal , 9 - K-Line

[WinWoj]

Greate, I have carprog. So I'll try to connect, but I have to discover which adapter I should to use.

[J_amb_o]

If you don't have pump from old pump, will immo off in ECU work?

[WinWoj]

Hi. I tried to connect pump module direct in to diagnostic tool by KTS550, but without succes. I connect only 12V power suply, ground and K-line. Connection on benchmark, without car. Is it possible? Mayby also L-line is needed? Please help me, customer want to his module, but I don't know what's happend with them.
BR
W.

[Shmortz]

for reading PSG5 on bench you need only power and K-line so your module is dead...

[WinWoj]

I tested 4 PSG5's and when I powered them no current flows... I put 12V on 7th and ground on 6th pin and K-line I conected on 9th pin, as Art64 said... I know that one of them is good, so maybe i should energize another pins..?

[WinWoj]

any idea??

[WinWoj]

nobody can't help me?

[Satmanek]

There are 3 generations of pSG5 pumps in the Audi A6, if you have control of pumps with other numbers that will not work. Only the first generation of the pump did not have immo, 2 and 3 must be coded pin and can not be installed on other nembers pumps because it will not fit into the ECU .

[WinWoj]

There are 3 generations of pSG5 pumps in the Audi A6, if you have control of pumps with other numbers that will not work. Only the first generation of the pump did not have immo, 2 and 3 must be coded pin and can not be installed on other nembers pumps because it will not fit into the ECU .

What if i make immo off in ECU? I think PSG5 immo-coded should talk with ECU and give permission for start? By the way I have 4 PSG5 modules and want to check it. One of them has only transistor leg broken, but should be alive after suplied +12V... But no any working.. So maybe I should test with CAN data bus? I don't uynderstand why power suply mashine didn't show any current flow after connect to PSG5 modules... But maybe CAN activate PSG5??? I can use EDC15VM+ from a6 c5 and connect CAN lines to PSG5 and try to activate actuators (shut off valve and injection advance valve) via VCDS?? Any idea and expirience with this? What about Carprog solution of immo read from PSG5? Has anybody know how to do it? I didn't find such info in my carprog clone documentation..

Thanks in advance for answers my questions.. I'm really determine to run this car...

Best Regards
WinWoj

[WinWoj]

I want to know too much..?? :excitement:

[miha99]

Read flash sop44 from motor ECU and pot here.

[WinWoj]

Read flash sop44 from motor ECU and pot here.

Hi mate. MPPS readout is enough? If so, test below:

304300

WBR
W.

[WinWoj]

I shifting this topic here: http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/465402-Build-PSG5-from-VP44-bench-tester because I repaied psg5 transistor and gave back to customer. Waiting for replay from customer. But miha99 - IF YOU CAN, PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR IDEA.

BR
W.

[Luke405]

Hi sorry to jump on the post in new to this I have a Audi A4 2.5 tdi v6 had a dud fuel pump changed it for a second hand pump with I the same code on the ecu on the pump do I recode or is it plug in and play?

[oribg]

Hi mate,I am newbie in the Forum.Where I must tap the pin code after the reding?

[sazimam11]

See the link in attached file below, mate.

[Mr BLACK]

is a old post m8 ...i:coffin: