Mourners use snooker cues as weapons in mass brawl at funeral over dead man's property

Former fireman Harry Gaughan's funeral was marred by a family row

Only hours earlier they had stood alongside one other at the local church to pay their respects.

But no sooner had Harry Gaughan, 69, been cremated than his relatives began fighting over the house where he used to live.

Millionaire property developer Clifford Harrison, 50, swung a 4ft cue at pall bearer Cameron Harris, 43, leaving him needing treatment for a head wound.

Harrison, who is married to Mr Gaughan's niece, had turned up at the £200,000 home to measure the garden for a new building plot.

He asked Mr Gaughan's widow, Dawn Cannon, 44, when she would be leaving before insisting she let him in, a court heard.

Despite her protests, he jumped over the back wall with a tape measure.

It was then that she called Mr Harris, a friend of the family, to come round for support.

Mr Gaughan, a former fireman, sold the property in Snaith, East Yorkshire, to his niece eight years ago as he fought cancer, on the condition that he be allowed to live there.

But hours after the funeral service last October, it became the scene of a brawl.

'He said it was his property and he had a right to be there,' Mr Harris told Hull Crown Court.

'Mr Harrison said, "let's take this outside".

'At that point I walked out to the front and was approached by Mr Harrison. He was carrying a snooker cue. I had never seen anything like that before in my life. He came towards me shouting. He hit me twice with a single swing, hitting my shoulder and head.

'I could not believe it. We had just taken Harry away the day before. Dawn was still very, very upset.'

Mr Harris, a fireman, received a bruise to his head and had to be treated at Goole Hospital.

Harrison's barrister, Susanna Kitzing, insisted he had acted in self-defence but admitted: 'He was ill advised in being there. He has been insensitive. But he is not here accused of insensitivity.

'I am here to say the assault was justified. That is was selfdefence-He struck one blow.' Harrison was convicted at Goole Magistrates' Court last month.

Yesterday, he lost his appeal against the conviction for causing actual bodily harm.

Judge Roger Thorn, QC, sitting with magistrates, said: 'We have reached the conclusion beyond doubt that the purpose of the visit was to cause some sort of trouble.'

He said he found it 'extraordinary' that Harrison had claimed to be measuring up so soon after the funeral, knowing that any work would have to be carried out by an architect who would take his own measurements.

He ordered Harrison, of Holme-upon-Spalding-Moor, near York, to pay £346 in legal costs, a fine of £500, and £250 compensation to Mr Harris.

Outside the court, Miss Cannon said: 'Harry will be turning over in his grave if he knew what had happened so soon after the funeral.

'I lived with him for six years and he was a proud, loving gentleman who was respected by everyone.

'Mr Harrison wanted me out. I knew that.'

[forntida]

If Zap was confused earlier it is now my turn.

We have a Harry, a Harris and a Harrison all involved in a dispute at Harry's funeral. There is also a snooker cue involved, but wait there is also a Cannon so it can't be a snooker cue it must be a billiard cue.

'll just go and have a wee cup of tea and a wee rest.

[lfc4life]

could say there were fighting to the death

[Mr Pumpy]

Does'nt money bring out the very best in people.

They do say its the root of all evil.

[forntida]

It will be murder once the fight for the ashes starts. Then we'll have bats, stumps etc involved.

[chroma]

Originally Posted by Mr Pumpy They do say its the root of all evil.

They would be wrong.
To call money the root of all evil you first have to question the root of money.
Money is a tool for exchange, which cant exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the leeches and moochers, who claim your product by tears, or even looters who take it by force.
Money is only made possible by people who produce. Is this whats considered evil?

When you accept money in payment for your own effort, you do so only in the conviction that it can be exchanged for products produced by the effort of others.
Its not leeches and looters who give value to money. No ammount of tears or guns will transform these pieces of paper you have in your wallet into the bread you need to survive untill tommorow.
Those pieces of paper which should have been gold, are a token of honour... your claim if you will on the energy of people who produce. Your wallet is a statment of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are people who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of all money. Is this whats considered evil?

Take the root of production. Look at your computer and dare tell me if it was created purely by the muscular effort of an unthinking brute. Try and grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by the men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll quickly learn that that the mind is the root of all thats produced and therefore the root of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

People will often say that wealth is made by the stron at the expense of the weak. what strength do they mean? Its clearly not the strength of guns nor muscles. Wealth is the product of a mans capacity to think. So then is money created by the man whom invented the computer at the expense of someone who didn't? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy?
Money is MADE before it can be looted, leeched or mooched MADE by the effort of every honest individual, each to the extent of his or her ability.
An honest person is one whom knows intrinsicly that he cannot consume more than he's produced.

"To trade by means of money is the code of men of good will."
Money rests on the axiom that every person owns their own mind and their effort.
Money permits you to obtain for your goods or your labour that which they are worth to the people who would buy them, no more.

When men live by trade with reason, not force, as their final arbiter it is the best product that wins, the best performance. is this whats considered evil?

"Money will not buy happiness."
For the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if hes evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if hes evaded the choice of what to seek.
Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, nor admiration for the coward, nor respect for the incompetent. The person whom attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with money replacing his judgement will wind up becomming merely a victom of his inferiors. People of intellegence will desert him, however the cheats and frauds will flock to him, drawn by a law he does not yet understand: That no man may be smaller than his money.
Is this the reason?

The simple fact of inherritance is that no man deserves it other than the man who does not need it. A man whom would make his fortune regardless of his inheritance.
If an heir is equal to his money it will serve him, if hes less than his wealth it will undoubtedly destroy him.
People will look on and cry that it was the money that corrupted him, but was it really? Or was it him that corrupted his money?

Money is a living power that dies out without its root, Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it, is this the reason its evil?

People whom become truly wealthy always deserve it. they did so by their own merit. If a person gets rich from catering to fools, Hoping to get more than your ability deserves? By fraud, theft, looting, or from working for purchasers they dispise, even pandering to mens vices then the money earned will bring no joy. The wealth becomes not a tribute to you but a reproach, not a mark of achievement but a mark of shame.

Then maybe its the LOVE of money thats the root of all evil?
To love a thing is to know, understand and love its nature.
Money is the product of virtue, however it will not give you virtue nor redeem your vices.
Money simply will not give you the unearned, i guess thats whats so evil.

People whom call money evil are idiots whom never understood the concept to begin with, looking for something for free and complaining when they get nothing without putting in the work.

RANT OVER I GUESS

Originally Posted by chroma They would be wrong. To call money the root of all evil you first have to question the root of money. Money is a tool for exchange, which cant exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the leeches and moochers, who claim your product by tears, or even looters who take it by force. Money is only made possible by people who produce. Is this whats considered evil? When you accept money in payment for your own effort, you do so only in the conviction that it can be exchanged for products produced by the effort of others. Its not leeches and looters who give value to money. No ammount of tears or guns will transform these pieces of paper you have in your wallet into the bread you need to survive untill tommorow. Those pieces of paper which should have been gold, are a token of honour... your claim if you will on the energy of people who produce. Your wallet is a statment of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are people who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of all money. Is this whats considered evil? Take the root of production. Look at your computer and dare tell me if it was created purely by the muscular effort of an unthinking brute. Try and grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by the men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll quickly learn that that the mind is the root of all thats produced and therefore the root of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth. People will often say that wealth is made by the stron at the expense of the weak. what strength do they mean? Its clearly not the strength of guns nor muscles. Wealth is the product of a mans capacity to think. So then is money created by the man whom invented the computer at the expense of someone who didn't? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is MADE before it can be looted, leeched or mooched MADE by the effort of every honest individual, each to the extent of his or her ability. An honest person is one whom knows intrinsicly that he cannot consume more than he's produced. "To trade by means of money is the code of men of good will." Money rests on the axiom that every person owns their own mind and their effort. Money permits you to obtain for your goods or your labour that which they are worth to the people who would buy them, no more. When men live by trade with reason, not force, as their final arbiter it is the best product that wins, the best performance. is this whats considered evil? "Money will not buy happiness." For the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if hes evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if hes evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, nor admiration for the coward, nor respect for the incompetent. The person whom attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with money replacing his judgement will wind up becomming merely a victom of his inferiors. People of intellegence will desert him, however the cheats and frauds will flock to him, drawn by a law he does not yet understand: That no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason? The simple fact of inherritance is that no man deserves it other than the man who does not need it. A man whom would make his fortune regardless of his inheritance. If an heir is equal to his money it will serve him, if hes less than his wealth it will undoubtedly destroy him. People will look on and cry that it was the money that corrupted him, but was it really? Or was it him that corrupted his money? Money is a living power that dies out without its root, Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it, is this the reason its evil? People whom become truly wealthy always deserve it. they did so by their own merit. If a person gets rich from catering to fools, Hoping to get more than your ability deserves? By fraud, theft, looting, or from working for purchasers they dispise, even pandering to mens vices then the money earned will bring no joy. The wealth becomes not a tribute to you but a reproach, not a mark of achievement but a mark of shame. Then maybe its the LOVE of money thats the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know, understand and love its nature. Money is the product of virtue, however it will not give you virtue nor redeem your vices. Money simply will not give you the unearned, i guess thats whats so evil. People whom call money evil are idiots whom never understood the concept to begin with, looking for something for free and complaining when they get nothing without putting in the work. RANT OVER I GUESS

now thats what i call a rant m8 take u a week to calm down

[Mr Pumpy]

Originally Posted by chroma They would be wrong. To call money the root of all evil you first have to question the root of money. Money is a tool for exchange, which cant exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the leeches and moochers, who claim your product by tears, or even looters who take it by force. Money is only made possible by people who produce. Is this whats considered evil? When you accept money in payment for your own effort, you do so only in the conviction that it can be exchanged for products produced by the effort of others. Its not leeches and looters who give value to money. No ammount of tears or guns will transform these pieces of paper you have in your wallet into the bread you need to survive untill tommorow. Those pieces of paper which should have been gold, are a token of honour... your claim if you will on the energy of people who produce. Your wallet is a statment of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are people who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of all money. Is this whats considered evil? Take the root of production. Look at your computer and dare tell me if it was created purely by the muscular effort of an unthinking brute. Try and grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by the men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll quickly learn that that the mind is the root of all thats produced and therefore the root of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth. People will often say that wealth is made by the stron at the expense of the weak. what strength do they mean? Its clearly not the strength of guns nor muscles. Wealth is the product of a mans capacity to think. So then is money created by the man whom invented the computer at the expense of someone who didn't? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is MADE before it can be looted, leeched or mooched MADE by the effort of every honest individual, each to the extent of his or her ability. An honest person is one whom knows intrinsicly that he cannot consume more than he's produced. "To trade by means of money is the code of men of good will." Money rests on the axiom that every person owns their own mind and their effort. Money permits you to obtain for your goods or your labour that which they are worth to the people who would buy them, no more. When men live by trade with reason, not force, as their final arbiter it is the best product that wins, the best performance. is this whats considered evil? "Money will not buy happiness." For the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if hes evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if hes evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, nor admiration for the coward, nor respect for the incompetent. The person whom attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with money replacing his judgement will wind up becomming merely a victom of his inferiors. People of intellegence will desert him, however the cheats and frauds will flock to him, drawn by a law he does not yet understand: That no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason? The simple fact of inherritance is that no man deserves it other than the man who does not need it. A man whom would make his fortune regardless of his inheritance. If an heir is equal to his money it will serve him, if hes less than his wealth it will undoubtedly destroy him. People will look on and cry that it was the money that corrupted him, but was it really? Or was it him that corrupted his money? Money is a living power that dies out without its root, Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it, is this the reason its evil? People whom become truly wealthy always deserve it. they did so by their own merit. If a person gets rich from catering to fools, Hoping to get more than your ability deserves? By fraud, theft, looting, or from working for purchasers they dispise, even pandering to mens vices then the money earned will bring no joy. The wealth becomes not a tribute to you but a reproach, not a mark of achievement but a mark of shame. Then maybe its the LOVE of money thats the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know, understand and love its nature. Money is the product of virtue, however it will not give you virtue nor redeem your vices. Money simply will not give you the unearned, i guess thats whats so evil. People whom call money evil are idiots whom never understood the concept to begin with, looking for something for free and complaining when they get nothing without putting in the work. RANT OVER I GUESS

Wish i'd kept me mouth shut.