I think they have started already. Where's Pumpy?
Originally Posted by cgscott Think your paying over the odds for your ...
I think they have started already. Where's Pumpy?
I can't wake up Grumpy now in case I am accused of Dwarfism
Isp's already know roughly what you are downloading
They dont know the exact files (well in some circumstances they will do if your high prority to be of notice)
Think of it in the form of a flexible pipe when you download a movie file for eg a single disc one will be about 700 mb give or take so you will have a 700 mb bump in your pipe which of course they log.
So they could already produce a list of the usual suspects without any issues
I don't steal internet access but if the up this nonsense then it won't be long before I do.
They might as well give us an ip address at birth an be done with it.
I don't see how they could police it if we all start getting dongles and putting pay as you go sims in them. they could cut the sim off.. so what, just go get another they're mostly free nowadays anyway
Well if this doesn't push people towards obtaining tinternet by unscupulous means i don't know what will
By packet sniffing a node not only can i see exactly what your downloading but copy the data myself and form a large portfolio of your actions which would have absoloutly no room for the murky grey areas of doubt in court.
Half the Joel Tenembaum and Jamie Thomas-Rasset court cases where whittling out the doubt from the evidence provided.
With usenet theres really no doubt, its client server based and entirely centralised with extensive logs and is closely monitored itself by the very same companies whom monitor other peer to peer traffic (its a massive business sector now and theres plenty of money to be made so there are now tons of investagative companies looking for a cut)
If i was to run a simmilar company my first port of call would be nntp servers, alt binaries are easy to monitor, theres a known list so costings to research are effectively nill and due to its infrastructure its point to point so straightforward to track so my overheads in terms of staffing and resources would be negligable.
Best of all i have peoples exact names and addresses from their service providers as the vast bulk of transfers occur over paid accounts, meaning a concrete paper trail.
No wiggle room left and most cases wouldnt even require getting to a full blown jury trial.
Just something to consider
This is exactly why i use torrents, i can rotate the port numbers to circumvent throttling and blocking along with different encryptions so noone really knows what im downloading from sniffing the packets, i also trade exclusively with people (ips) i know and block every other peer so i know that my only weak point is the tracker in use.
It cuts down on a lot of the content that im able to obtain as soon as its released but its a fair trade off to ensure i dont wind up owing millions in fines like the previous two defendants.
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Last edited by dik; 27th August, 2009 at 12:59 PM.
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one word. encryption!
in case that's not enough... open wifi anyone? ;-)
This confirms just how thick the cretins in government are,should this be passed and become law or whatever,and isp's disconnect or terminate uses conracts for bb,then they will end up out of pocket, so for all the people who use the net as our nanny state want,they would end up facing price hikes,and possibly less choice of isp's,"DIGITAL BRITAIN" and TELECOMS PACKAGE are one of the same, they want the internet to be used for broadcast tv, they also seek to control what we do,they never stop slowly year by year they take away (or try to) our freedom to do be what we want,
as for their arguement that file sharing is causing these big music and film companies massive financial hardship is just lies,it don't as those(the majority) who download these films ect would not of purchased those items anyway,so how did they lose out?? same can be said for lots of other things they try to bulls%it us with,they this government and the ones before them all have ripped us off for decades and want to continue doing so and will suceed as we may have moan but we the people do not stand up for our freedoms or right's, the idiot's in power WORK FOR US not themselves as they would prefare to do, i would take an educated guess and say that there will be several top politicians that have vested interests in the film and music industies hence the stop the pirate's
WORK FOR US
The majority vote to elect officials to pass laws... every four years.
Companies PAY officials to pass laws in their favour every day.
Which has more value day in and day out?
You and i are merely plebs who only matter once every four years, never delude yourself into believing for a second that a politicians primary agenda is to work for the "people" those who are have no business in politics, theyre too nice and fall prey to the corrupt bloodthirsty "least appropriate" who always rise to power. (or else McGovern would have won)
From the very first donation to the political parties election campaign fund capitalists have ensured that the system works to promote capitalism over the average citizen.
Modern political theory is just an analogy of 50s mobsters.
Not that i can propose any better system myself however
Having grown up with the internet from its earliest days at uni in the 90s when it started to become a usable tool. I have no sympathy for the companies who are whining their head off trying to push governments and ISPs into stopping people sharing etc etc because they just dont get that they were offered all of this technology in the early days before the mp3 format became available.
In fact the mp3 format was originally proposed to the music industry as a new format for them to move to.... but because they were too short sighted and too big headed they brushed it aside as a fad and continued with their normal avenues of distribution. This left the creators of the format hung out to dry and so they released it pushed its abilities and a new generation was born, napster grew up based on the popularity of the ease of sharing that was available.
For the first time the people had the power where they refused to pay the extortionate prices being pushed for music by greedy and unscrupulous music monopolies. The whole computer based music phenomenon took off because people could copy their CDs and put them to share with someone else at the same quality as the CDs they were being forced fed for ridiculous money. It took 3 years for the music industry to realise it was a problem and by that time the sharing industry had spread to ever corner of the globe, they attempted to shutdown napster, and others but peer to peer networks were already available and they took their place. They tried targeting them they went secure, or moved on to other formats of file and website link sharing.
Basically the music industry has only themselves to blame, sharing is a cancer you cant kill it you cant stop it, once it got a hold on people it will never go away. NO MATTER what they try, push it underground at their peril!!!
The same happened with drugs, the billions every year made by dodgy crime cartels is a direct response to a need that people have. Billions are spent worldwide trying to stop the drugs.... Im waiting for them to realise that its a waste of time and money because they can take out one or two but where there was one another takes off and the whole cycle starts again. ITS A WASTE OF MONEY!!! Legalise the stuff sell it and tax it, those who are stupid enough to use it are fools anyway, but I can tell you now those billions spent trying to prevent the stuff would better be used to deal with the root problems of why ppl take them in the first place and teach from a young age about the dangers, and therefore limit its use!
This is a drastic measure in terms of piracy, allowing everyone to have it free isnt going to work.
However if it wasnt for the media coverage and growing knowledge that the sharing was available then 80% of people would never have heard of it and so would never have learnt to do it, its impact would have been far slower and something could have been done to hinder its use, but they wanted their huge share of their pie as they saw it, so they went scare tactics, which did nothing but bring it to the attention of millions of ppl who had never heard they cud get stuff for free, and they all then got in on the band wagon.
I can tell you now if CDs were priced at £3-4 I would have increased my already huge collection of them. But instead they insist on charging £15 for them and Im not prepared to pay that, instead I buy em secondhand, which by definition of their stupid law is illegal btw!!! Also hiring a CD or DVD is illegal based on their law too if u read it carefully. Listening to music in your car with the window down is illegal!!!! also if you have passengers who arent your immediate family and you play ur music its illegal!!!! YOU NEED A BROADCASTING LICENCE!!!! Basically if you dont have the earphones surgically welded to your eardrums its illegal.....
Soooooo by the nature of human nature too much scrutinisation breeds resentment and resentment breeds aggression and fear, and they move on to cause social tension. Too much social tension causes binge drinking, drug taking, lawlessness and resentment for authority, too much pressure in too many places means things come to a head and enough is enough, the fact that the UK has 23% of the worlds CCTV cameras is already breeding resentment for them. With abuse of powers and overuse and reliance. When the movie V for Vendetta was released I saw it and I thought things could never really get that bad.... could they..... I look back to then from now and Im beginning to think that the possibility of it grows stronger everyday. A sad ending to what was once a peaceful and carefree life.
Im sat here today and I am hearing on the news that they want to ban people who are drinking to excess in pubs and town centres, because of binge drinking.... remember the causes for this in the first place.... pressure in society and work environments.
They stopped smoking in pubs and clubs so people dont go to them anymore, because yet another control restraint was placed on them. Not to mention the greed of the companies that pubs have to deal with. They tried stopping drugs and thats failed too, they try stopping booze and they will hit a hard brick wall.
The worlds biggest experiment of restriction of a common pressure relief entity in the United States should if anything be a warning to all!! Prohibition was the worlds worst and most destructive experiment ever tried in a social environment. It saw to it that illegal movements had popular support throughout society and made the people involved heroes. It saw to it that organised crime had a basis and legitimacy by the average man. It saw to the vast underground movements that led to blackmarket trading and fraudulent endeavours on a much wider scale than had ever been seen before. All of the tactics and clandestine ways of moving things around the world and through countries were perfected and homed in the US. To be used and exploited world wide not long after. And we wonder why we cant kill the drug trade!!! Wheres theres money to be made theres people willing to take the chance.
Where there is notoriety there are people willing to take the chance, and with the whole piracy thing its backed up by a general belief that its right! The one thing you can never fight because the majority win over in legitimacy, to be squeezed to make people more money when its pushed underground. It wont work! regardless of who or what they try to do. They allowed it they saw to it that had its foundations and now they cant get rid of it.... Shame!
Using a sledgehammer to crack a nut is all too well and good but when the nut has grown out of proportion and turned into several million nuts with an exponential growth rate it is no longer possible to switch off..... cybernet anyone
A noobie... who posts more than "gimme mah download plox????" and not only more but a lot more.
Not only that but with coherency?
Dear god its a sign of the apocalypse!
And with that being said, Hi nonpsammer and welcome