Manchester United's FFP stance a bit rich

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  • wheelo01
    Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 40

    #1

    Manchester United's FFP stance a bit rich

    United couldn?t beat City on the pitch or in the title race last season, so it seems they have hatched a dastardly plot to undermine them off the field.

    The Reds have teamed up with Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham to press for the Premier League to adopt its own financial fair play rules, specifically targeting clubs with rich benefactors ? just like Chelsea and City, by sheer coincidence!

    United are suddenly worried that all this money being pumped into unnamed clubs is bad for the game, as it creates ?inflationary spending?.

    They want to adapt Uefa?s new rules, aimed at stopping clubs spending beyond the money they generate themselves, to our domestic league.

    Of course, by a happy twist of fate, this would mean United ? whose revenue is way ahead of everyone else in the league ? could buy all the best players, give them the best wages, and win everything, from here to eternity.

    And, by another weird coincidence, it would also mean Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs would suddenly edge ahead of City and Chelsea in chasing lucrative Champions League places.

    We could even stop playing each other at football altogether, re-name the Premier League the Manchester United League, hand them all the trophies in August and fly off somewhere warm for the winter.

    This self-interested foursome are now trying to sell their idea to the rest of the Premier League, to get the 14 votes, out of 20, they would need to change the rules.

    ?It?s a debate ? we?re having a discussion on financial fair play,? said Gill. ?The impact of the new TV money has clearly focused the minds. Seven or eight clubs are going to have to abide by UEFA?s regulations in any case.

    ?The league are working on this and will put a paper together to be discussed at the February meeting. Whatever?s decided is dictated by 14 clubs.?

    United need to hope that, if their plan for world domination goes through, that the Premier League doesn?t start applying it retrospectively.

    The Reds were one of the main movers behind the Greedy League which aimed to concentrate the wealth in the hands of the few at a time when football was turning from a sport into a multi-billion pound business.

    As the richest club in the country, they drove the agenda as English football underwent the biggest inflation ? of transfer fees, player wages and, as a consequence, ticket prices ? in football history.

    They more than quadrupled the record fee paid by an English club ? which they already held for the 1981 signing of Bryan Robson ? in 1995 when they paid ?7m for Andy Cole.

    They almost doubled the record by paying over ?28m for Seba Veron in 2001, only to break it again a year later to bring in Rio Ferdinand.

    They happily paid top dollar to their squad of top players, forcing other clubs to either take financial risks to try and catch them, or simply be content to sit back and admire as United won everything.

    It was natural law, they thought. They were earning their own money and spending it. Only Blackburn, who briefly found a rich owner, and moneyed Arsenal interrupted their dominance, and they were just a temporary irritation.

    It was a great arrangement. Then along came Chelsea, and more latterly, City to mess up this perfect world, by finding wealthy foreign owners who were prepared to pour money into the clubs they bought.

    At the same time, United ? despite a brave effort by a minority of their fans ? found an American owner who did the exact opposite and began leeching money OUT of their club.

    Suddenly, clubs throwing their money around are doing a bad thing, says Gill.

    It is not their own money, so they shouldn?t spend it, goes the new mantra.

    But the market doesn?t care whether Gill made the money by grafting at a coal face for 12 hours a day, or was handed it by a friendly Arab.

    Spending more than the others inflates, wherever the cash come from.

    Leeds nose-dived, financially and in football terms, by trying to keep up with United, long before Roman Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour came on the scene.

    City and Chelsea have played the game by rules which United liked when it suited them. Now the rules suit other clubs more, United and the other three want to change them.

    If they truly want financial fair play, all revenue should be centrally pooled and dished out, preferably with the Football League and grassroots football getting a fair share.

    Chances of United going for something truly fair? Don?t hold your breath.

    What do you think? Have your say
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  • tshirtman
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    • Dec 2008
    • 1345

    #2
    And before the United fans start shouting "Bitter Blues"
    this was written by Stuart Brennan who is a life long red.
    !retupmoc eht ni deppart m'I !pleH

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    • leotheloin
      DK Veteran
      • Jul 2009
      • 1001

      #3
      Originally posted by tshirtman
      And before the United fans start shouting "Bitter Blues"
      this was written by Stuart Brennan who is a life long red.
      Seen this guy's blog and theres no way he's a long life red more like a long life blue.

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      • aftermath
        V.I.P. Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 4345

        #4
        what a load of bull...

        Utd have won most for years now so why all of a sudden this bull, even as we speak they are in every competition, and 8 points clear in the leaugue, and thats before the rules change, so we dont need rule changes to win things, we do it naturally ..

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        • caveman_nige
          V.I.P. Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 4920

          #5
          Originally posted by tshirtman
          And before the United fans start shouting "Bitter Blues"
          this was written by Stuart Brennan who is a life long red.
          Thanks for pointing that out as the OP should have done. Intellectual copywright can cost us lots of money so always link or credit to the origins or author of the story being quoted or cut and pasted.

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          • thered
            V.I.P. Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 4915

            #6
            fair play rules wont mean 5hit tbh

            im sure they will find a way round it


            like renaming a car park for 100 million a year aba dabi du car park

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            • andy1967
              DK Veteran
              • Oct 2010
              • 1378

              #7
              Citeh's ?97.7m looses for the last financial year does not help and whos fault is that.
              Sir Alex Ferguson in 1988

              "This isn't just a job to me." "It's a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else - dramatically."

              Sir Alex Ferguson. (20)

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              • dazzer44
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 29

                #8
                citys financial loss has halved this season,.uniteds loss continues to rise

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                • andy1967
                  DK Veteran
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 1378

                  #9
                  TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2010-11
                  • Chelsea - ?191m (up from ?174m in 2009-10)
                  • Manchester City - ?174m (?133m)
                  • Manchester United - ?153m (?132m)
                  • Liverpool - ?135m (?121m)
                  • Arsenal - ?124m (?111m)
                  Source: Deloitte

                  I didn't realise CFC are still paying the most to the players wage.
                  Sir Alex Ferguson in 1988

                  "This isn't just a job to me." "It's a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else - dramatically."

                  Sir Alex Ferguson. (20)

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                  • thered
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 4915

                    #10
                    how the **** did this happen

                    Luis Suarez won't be punished by FA despite admitting diving | Mail Online



                    dont utd own the fa ???

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                    • dazzer44
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 29

                      #11
                      ha ha, nice one

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                      • bowie
                        DK Veteran
                        • May 2009
                        • 475

                        #12
                        this rule might force city and chelsea to invest in their youth players for once


                        Men of Harlech onto glory
                        This shall ever be your story
                        Keep these fighting words before ye
                        Cambria will not yield

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                        • andy1967
                          DK Veteran
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1378

                          #13
                          Uefa warn Manchester City they face Champions League expulsion if they fail to meet Fair Play credentials

                          Manchester City and Paris St-Germain were warned on Monday that Uefa would not hesitate to expel them from the Champions League if they tried to ?cheat? Financial Fair Play.

                          Warning: Manchester City are among clubs to be warned against 'cheating' Fair Play rules Photo: REUTERS








                          By Ben Rumsby

                          10:30PM GMT 04 Feb 2013
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                          European football?s governing body promised full scrutiny of both clubs? controversial sponsorship deals to determine whether they breached rules on investments from related parties.

                          Teams are not permitted to use income from such sources to comply with break-even regulations unless the contract signed can be shown to represent ?fair market value?.

                          Manchester City signed a 10-year ?350million stadium and shirt sponsorship deal in 2011 with airline Etihad, which is based in Abu Dhabi, the ruling family of which also own the club.

                          That was dwarfed by the ?200million-a-year that PSG owners Qatari Investment Authority will receive from the Qatar Tourism Authority through to 2016.

                          It has been claimed that such deals would make a mockery of FFP were they to be given the green light when clubs submit their 2012 and 2013 accounts for the first round of auditing in the spring of next year.

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                          Uefa general secretary Gianni Infantino said it would be wrong to prejudge those figures but added: ?They have to demonstrate that they can cover their costs with the revenues that they generate without cheating. If the result is that something went wrong then sanctions will be taken.?
                          Infantino insisted Uefa was not afraid to exclude a big club from one of its competitions, having already banned 34 teams ? including Malaga and Besiktas ? for breaches of other articles under FFP.
                          ?Uefa will not be happy to do that, but Uefa will do that,? he added.
                          An independent adjudicatory chamber will impose any sanctions, which could spark legal action over the interpretation of ?fair market value?.
                          Infantino was philosophical. He said: ?We were always worried ? and I say this with a smile ? with clubs that were telling us, ?We will sue you if you dare take sanctions against us for Financial Fair Play regulations?.
                          ?Now we have the other clubs who will sue us if we don?t take sanctions against those who have breached the rules.?
                          Uefa was keen to ram home its viewpoint on Monday after releasing its 2011 Club Licensing Benchmarking Report, which also showed City and Chelsea would have faced expulsion from the Champions League had the break-even rule been in force two years ago.
                          Infantino confirmed a pair of English teams were among 20 that would have exceeded the maximum ?45 million losses over three years permitted.
                          Sanctions for FFP breaches, which take into consideration figures over two years initially, range from fines to expulsion from the Champions League and Europa League.
                          Both Chelsea and City are confident their accounts over that period will confirm they meet FFP targets.
                          Infantino said: ?Last year, remember, when we published this benchmarking report for the clubs, we were saying that it?s a wake-up call for the clubs. But I think the clubs are really ?up?, that the Financial Fair Play rules show that they have teeth and that those are biting now.?
                          Infantino said proof of this was that the average gap between clubs? revenue and costs had gone down for the first time in five years, if only by 0.1 per cent from 12.7 per cent.
                          However, Uefa?s own report described overall losses as having ?ballooned? from ?0.6billion in 2007 to ?1.7 billion in 2011, largely blaming combined employee and net transfer costs.
                          Infantino also urged the Premier League to adopt FFP when it debates the issue again at its quarterly meeting on Thursday.

                          Uefa warn Manchester City they face Champions League expulsion if they fail to meet Fair Play credentials - Telegraph

                          Nothing to do with SAF either!
                          Sir Alex Ferguson in 1988

                          "This isn't just a job to me." "It's a mission. I am deadly serious about it. Some people would reckon too serious. We will get there, believe me. And when it happens, life will change for Liverpool and everyone else - dramatically."

                          Sir Alex Ferguson. (20)

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                          • tshirtman
                            V.I.P. Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 1345

                            #14
                            Originally posted by leotheloin
                            Seen this guy's blog and theres no way he's a long life red more like a long life blue.
                            being a united fan, I would have thought you'd have known Stuart Brennan is the chief sports writer for the Manchester Evening News,

                            but then again you'd have to live in Manchester to buy the M.E.N, which most United fans dont

                            and yes, he is a red.
                            !retupmoc eht ni deppart m'I !pleH

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                            • tshirtman
                              V.I.P. Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 1345

                              #15
                              City have nothing to worry about,

                              if PSG get away with there ?100 million per year sponsorship, to promote Qatar Tourism Authority, which they probably will as Michel Platini son works for PSG,

                              Then it wont be long before city start to promote tourism in Abu Dhabi
                              !retupmoc eht ni deppart m'I !pleH

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