Lord Lawson Calls For Britain To Leave EU

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Lord Lawson has become the most senior Tory figure to call for the UK to quit the European Union - pledging to vote "No" in any referendum on membership.

In a move that piles further pressure on David Cameron over the issue, the former chancellor warned his proposed renegotiation would only secure "inconsequential" concessions from Brussels.

Writing in The Times, he said there was now a "clear" case for withdrawal, insisting the economic benefits would "substantially outweigh the costs", in contrast to the Prime Minister's position.

His intervention is sure to further embolden eurosceptic MPs demanding a tougher line to halt the rise of Nigel Farage's rampant anti-EU UK Independence Party (UKIP).

Mr Cameron is already under pressure to hold a "mandate referendum" as early as next spring to seek public approval of his strategy of putting a renegotiated settlement to an in/out vote by 2017.

Lord Lawson, who was Margaret Thatcher's longest-serving chancellor and remains a highly respected figure within the party, said that it was "by no means assured" that Mr Cameron would win the 2015 general election.

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[GastonJ]

and so far I've seen no hard and fast figures for either side in the stay in or leave Europe, so called debate. Without that how will people make their choice, if they get one? It's quite obvious that the only reason the Tories want a referendum is so that they can say "We gave people a referendum, aren't we nice?" - since without that carrot they believe the'll not get any votes and their party will be left out in the wilderness once more.

If they're so convinced that leaving Europe is a good thing then perhaps they'll give us the true costs of staying in or leaving - and so far no-one has given out the real facts and figures just the usual rhetoric of a right wing party and press desperate for votes and desperate to blame "Europe" for the problems in the UK. Easy to say it's Europe's fault, now prove it.

[gmb45]

if the public was given a referendum and we voted to come out do you think it would make an iota of difference ? the effin gov would do just what they want to

[Kalipo]

There putting off the inevitable.. this referendum must happen or the parties in power won't hold credability and trust for long.

[bobwill]

. the parties in power won't hold credability and trust for long.

dont think the three main party's got any credibility left ,labour left us bankrupt ,torys have not sorted out the mess and the libs are only interested in human rights of people we do not want in the country. All three partys dont care what most people want all they care about is them selves and there little earners Labour dont care about the manual workers if they did they would not have flooded the country with low paid manual workers ,which then cut the wages of the uk workers by 33%.Labour did look after the champagne socialists got them cheap labour to do there building work when they all moved to the posh areas

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Ok so if those main three party?s useless, I can see any point to vote any in the next election, why have election anymore?

Charles de Gaulle the founding FATHER of the EU refuse to allow Britain to become a member of the EEC, probably in 1950 the date now regarded as the birth of the European Union.



He claimed it was a Trojan Horse, that the UK entering would mean US influence. He also claimed that Britain didn't have the political will to be part of a strong union of European nations.

Following the recent Reform Treaty agreed in Lisbon, some have argued that the UK should be given a special status within the EU. Should the UK really leave the EU (or be asked to leave), or should we consider the concept of a Core Europe? UK govt have come long way to be part of EU and my opinion we need to hang on for a while.

[Kalipo]

The french puppies can't comment.. at the time they where scared gemany would rearm.. France wanted to join the British empire.. wasn't allowed... hence the creation of;-

EUSSR

[thered]

and so far I've seen no hard and fast figures for either side in the stay in or leave Europe, so called debate. Without that how will people make their choice, if they get one? It's quite obvious that the only reason the Tories want a referendum is so that they can say "We gave people a referendum, aren't we nice?" - since without that carrot they believe the'll not get any votes and their party will be left out in the wilderness once more.

If they're so convinced that leaving Europe is a good thing then perhaps they'll give us the true costs of staying in or leaving - and so far no-one has given out the real facts and figures just the usual rhetoric of a right wing party and press desperate for votes and desperate to blame "Europe" for the problems in the UK. Easy to say it's Europe's fault, now prove it.

I think all the major parties want to stay in Europe, but Camerons growing conservative backbenchers being nazi's at heart would like to leave, but as politics requires lots of sitting on fence and hence why all parties are almost the same now. Politicians for whatever reason seem to think being in europe is better

Maybe it is, maybe a united europe is beneficial for the Britiish economy. I think though the majority of people want out and i dont blame them its the only way to rid the country of outside meddling human rights and immigrants moving to a free working market that suits

the only way it would back fire is if EU all thought F you and blackballed us trading and all ganged up, things may get worse

Parties like UKIP like BNP feed on money paid to EU and immigrants, but to be fair there would be a lot less if many UK residents could actually be arsed to work

I dont think there will be any figures about how much it will lose/gain by leaving i think that would be wait and see. the only figures guaranteed are the payments to the EU

Trade and Alliances may be damaged or may not change, but we seem a little scared to upset the rest of Europe even though i get the feeling secretly many conservatives would love to give them a 2 fingered salute

[GastonJ]

But most people only want out, or even to stay in, because they are misinformed by self serving parties with their own interests at heart. None of the parties are even remotely interested in what Joe Public wants unless it's to buy votes for them come the next election, in which case it will be the usual half promises based on half truths. The only thing MP's are interested in is their pay packets, expenses and which institutions they will become directors of once the gravy train has finished.

[GastonJ]

I am curious as to what people think they will get to vote on really, since Dave hasn't even penned the question. So vote for them to give you a referendum with what question on what?

David Cameron: I can't legislate for an EU referendum - Telegraph

David Cameron has said he is powerless to introduce Government legislation guaranteeing a European Union referendum in the next Parliament. So he can't even say he's going to hold one. Better still


"Mr Cameron has promised to hold a referendum on the UK relationship with the EU in the next Parliament, if he is re-elected." - that is not a promise of an in or out of Europe referendum, but a referendum on something that he won't say at this time, perhaps it will be "Do you want me to sleep with Merkel or with Hollande?" Perhaps Eton did teach him a thing or two..... Certainly taught him, like all MP's, to be vague when asked a straight question and never tell the full truth. Tell people what they already know, or think they do, and say no more.

[nara]

Lord Lawson Calls For Britain To Leave EU

Considering what a f*ck-up Lawson was as a Chancellor, it makes a pretty good case for staying in the EU.

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Considering what a f*ck-up Lawson was as a Chancellor, it makes a pretty good case for staying in the EU.

Ignore him basically his time has come for retirement!!!!

[GastonJ]

As has Dave Cameron's, wouldn't buy a car off him.

BBC News - Obama urges UK: Fix EU problems before 'breaking' relationship

"The PM said his plan to renegotiate the UK's EU membership with a referendum by the end of 2017 had "strong support"."

and

"He said holding a referendum now, as some of his MPs are demanding, would amount to a "false choice" between the status quo and withdrawal. "That is not a choice the British people want or deserve," he added."

So the referendum will be worded very carefully, he already knows that Britain doesn't want to leave the EU, so that doesn't look to be a choice he'll give. Used car salesman at best.

[Kalipo]

Gaston, quicky. im trying to work out where you stand on this hole UK>EU debate??

Cant seem to work it out

[GastonJ]

Well here we go - I'm in favour of politicians telling the whole truth and answering fully any question when asked. Right now you have Dodgy Dave telling people that if they vote for him he'll hold a referendum on a question he won't name, and tells us that he can't put legislation in place now that the government of the day to hold the referendum in 2017 - even though he doesn't know what he's going to ask. Some news for him "You're the f'ing government, you're there to pass legislation, that's one of your jobs, retard!".

What he's really doing is trying to bluff his way around Europe to get his own way, but using those gullible enough to believe him and vote for his party as the pawns in all of this. He was quick enough to get the Scottish independence question sorted a few years before the vote so why not now? So yeah he's in need of a drill up his rear end 'cos he's so full of sh*t. What Cameron is trying to do is renegotiate with what he thinks is a gun to the head of the EU (the UK will pull out) so what, who gives a ck? Do you think that Dave's doing it for the Birtish public when he already claims that he knows what they want anyway? He certainly hasn't ever asked me the tw@. He's interested in his own future, the money that goes with it and keeping his disillusioned backbenchers quiet so they keep him in his job for a few more years.

The others aren't any better TBH. None of the main parties really want a vote to gtf out of the EU, they all have vested interest in staying in the EU, usually tied to money in one form or another.

The only ones that want us out of the EU are the fruitcakes that used to be in power and didn't make the change when they could have. Reminds me of the Liberals, calling for PR and saying how unfair the first past the post system is - yet when they were in power they didn't want PR. Odd eh?

Forgot to add, those that tell us it's better to leave, and those that tell us it's better to stay. About time they told us why, the advantages, the disadvantages and the real cost of staying or leaving - not the bollox that they're coming out with now. Otherwise how is anyone supposed to make an informed judgment and vote?