X6/V8 Key Code Cutting Machine

**obdsystems** · 14th December, 2013, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by estate

is this x6 a cloned a4 do we think?

Hope it is and not an A5. With tax and tibbe mine cost ? 5K .
I just want it too be fair and anybody else who wants to cut keys be on same playing field - but then life isn't fair !!

I think Pinky and estate are both right - depends where you live and when you started-up. My prices are pretty low but if i started 5 or 10 years ago I'd be a little annoyed at the increased competition.

I have an old fart in next town (who should F'in retire

s) who charges ?60 even if can't do job - and a half decent Ex-AA in another nearby town.
Then a electronics guy in nearby city who's taken renault jobs. But thats it. Think thier scared of me - not other way round !!

Non can do eeprom -and old lockies only use thier beloved AD100pro. So I've got no worries.
However, i'd hate to live where u do Pinky. Feel for you man !! You are highly skilled - maybe best in UK !!

**estate** · 14th December, 2013, 10:20 PM

i originally tried to dip my toe in the water about 5=6 years ago, the costs were massive, 13 song picks only original, viper was new, mvp was pretty much the only programmer, i think even sbb was genuine back then!!!! i have a slightly different need to most, the work i do is for my own cars, i buy key-less cars, so every job i do nets me ????, and the need for genuine tools is far less as it's more about the challenge for me, and if i can't do it, i let the car go for a profit regardless. I pity those that do this for a living. Me buying an x6 means that the first car i use it on will buy the machine, so i can't loose. I'm not sure i'd want to try and compete with professionals. That to me wouldn't be fair.

**sparkz02** · 15th December, 2013, 01:26 AM

Markets change all the time, in 5 years time, cars change too, if the professional companies manage to protect their equipment from clones, then were back to the same playing field. Pay big money for future development, charge big money for newer cars, if the professional companies don't protect their investments, we purchase clones for future development, spend less money on the tools = take less money for the job, markets change, playing fields change, works out in the end.

**rapidlocksmiths** · 15th December, 2013, 01:33 PM

i remember when peter southern first released 13 song tools in uk via keyprint , blind touch picks were ?125 each and decoders ?250 each , thats just 5 to 6 years ago , now a blind touch is ?10 and a 2in1 or decoder from ?20 .

10 years ago , lost keys on a ford mondeo to supply 2 standard keys was ?150 , today same job is as low as ?70 in some areas.

but jobs took longer back then , all jobs involved removing and stripping locks , and cutting was often more complex to code , so job times took longer .

back in those days there were fewer auto locksmiths , so simpler bread and butter jobs were more plentifull , it was these bread and butter jobs that gave an auto locksmith the funds to invest in new equipment and high end kit for the not so common jobs .

the flood of clones , cheaper kit etc has increased the number of people offering these services 10 fold , also the jobs have been simplified by good kit to non specialist work , so prices have tumbled , new starts and lockies no longer take in enough bread and butter to invest in future markets , and things die out slowly .

as i said earlier , id hate to be setting up now and starting out .

x6 is a copy of x5 , sadly you have to accept and live with it mate , the knock off nigel industry is not going away as too lucrative , new starts will be able to set up with clones for less than you paid for your machine , prices will drop as they have less payback than you , you will be starved of simple bread and butter jobs to invest in future , and things change .

not even our suppliers support us , they will sell to anyone , even train them , as this is a bigger market than ours to exploit , far more profitable , and there will always be clones and those that support clones.

so the clever adapt and change their models to stay ahead , the rest compete for the ?30 spare key market.

ive seen many these days that used to slate clones , now using them , some wont admit it , but many have them and use them , not just new guys .

the clones are getting better and more reliable , the job is getting quicker and simpler so profit drops , dealers even lowing prices , renault in some areas are ?120 for key cards and ?180 for 2 .

as things change and more manufacturers move to online , only those with deep enough pockets will be able to reinvest and niches exist again .

its not a dead market but is a very different market at present .

**siyadk** · 15th December, 2013, 09:32 PM

just a small advice: I just have seen chinese CONDOR automatic machine working and played with it in my friends shop.. It seems pretty solid and my friend is quite happy with it. he has got just two weeks ago

If anyone consider buying chinese automatic key machine, it would be better to invest in CONDOR, i guess. I know there is almost half the difference but atleast i know CONDOR works really well

By the way, i havent seen or played with X6 yet!!

**estate** · 15th December, 2013, 10:37 PM

it's a lot more money..............

**rapidlocksmiths** · 15th December, 2013, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by estate

it's a lot more money..............

it looks alot more machine for the money , far more robust and heavy duty looking , i see it has copied the silca viper jaws from the photo .

even in china you get what you pay for , it looks far more robust than x6 and far more machine for money , if even halfway as well built as silca it will be good kit , lets hope its naff .

**sparkz02** · 16th December, 2013, 01:32 AM

The big issue would any of these would be repair, if it goes wrong, shipping back to china and back again, can't be cheap.

**siyadk** · 16th December, 2013, 01:57 AM

Exactly...I agree with sparkz unless there are spare parts readily available or sold by sellers

**obdmaster** · 16th December, 2013, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by sparkz02

The big issue would any of these would be repair, if it goes wrong, shipping back to china and back again, can't be cheap.

I too agree, where you buy such consumable parts like cutters, decoders from. Its all very well having the machine but with key cutting machines you also need backup. to supply consumable parts and spare parts..

**totalkey** · 16th December, 2013, 09:20 PM

come on peapols mircle 1 year ago use unable to cut keys and was needed to change mother board 5 times and wait sometimes few months till it fixed,

**siyadk** · 18th December, 2013, 02:55 AM

Just saw software updation on Condor machine. Wondering whether x6 has such facility...

**agabna** · 19th December, 2013, 09:44 PM

Hello
i think x6 is a kind of joke because only one video for it

but condor machine more than 6 videos

and all the information for condor is avilable

i think 2800 $ is better than lost of 1400$ In x6

**Automat** · 19th December, 2013, 10:31 PM

Still waiting for brave soul to test one, after results we can make honest comments.

**paul_12345** · 20th December, 2013, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by agabna

Hello
i think x6 is a kind of joke because only one video for it

but condor machine more than 6 videos

and all the information for condor is avilable

i think 2800 $ is better than lost of 1400$ In x6

well your not the best searching for vids then as this one user has more than 6 videos for the condor
locksvideo - YouTube