AVDI & mercedes keys

**dave11674** · 23rd February, 2015, 03:03 PM

hi guys

does anyone use the AVDI (genuine) to do merc keys ?

if so can it do all keys lost ?
and whats procedure ?

just after a bit of know how before i jump in

thanks for any help

dave

**autoTkey** · 23rd February, 2015, 03:46 PM

There's no tool that can do all-keys-lost on MB.
Avdi is not good tool for Mercedes at all. You need to go look for another specialized tool.
For example:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums...=1#post2477167

**techterr** · 23rd February, 2015, 03:59 PM

I have FVDI and just got AVDI a little while ago.. It depends on which mercedes key you want to do.. The flip key that is on the older ML's is easy and works well. I removed the doorlock, made a key for it, put key in ign, hooked up unit, read data, programmed a chip, then programmed the chip to the vehicle, then programmed the remote portion... Read the instructions on the remote programming a couple of times... I screwed up on when to turn off and on the key... As for the DAS3 keys... I read the EIS, then the ESL, but realized I had no key to read the NEC chip... All keys lost situation... I pulled the center console and lower dash and removed the EIS, tried to read with AK500.. the tech support for the AK500 was unbelievable... as in non existent... I ended up putting everything back together and went to the dealer and spent $225.00 for the key.... I have heard from the US distributor of Abrites that there is a new module for mercedes in the pipeline... supposedly similar to the new BMW module.. I would love to see it... I use AVDI about every other day for late model VW's and BMW's, love the way it works... But for the Mercs, until they come out with a module that works with all keys lost, I will just send customers to the dealer....
Take care,
Tim
PS, the procedure for the DAS3 is, read EIS, then read ESL, then read nec chip in key, key can be working or non working, but has to have been programmed to the car, then send that data to Arbritus and they will send you back key bins within 24 hours...

**DottoreBL** · 23rd February, 2015, 04:04 PM

I use AVDI for MB, everything is ok except nec programmer

**dave11674** · 23rd February, 2015, 04:09 PM

yeah ive been reading a bit about the dodgy nec programmer
is it none functional or hit n miss ?
what does it mess up exactly and can it be fixed

it would be nice for an all keys lost option

but for adding a spare key i supposed it must be ok for newer style nec keys

what nec programmer is good for the nec chips then ?

thanks

dave

**techterr** · 24th February, 2015, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by DottoreBL

I use AVDI for MB, everything is ok except nec programmer

Can I ask which models you are using it on??? Have you tried this on the W203 models?? I have a customer who wants me to diagnos his issue with the EIS.. takes about 10 minutes of trying before the key will start the car...
Thanks in advance,
Tim

**dave11674** · 24th February, 2015, 12:23 PM

ive not got MB commander for keys yet mate
im thinking about it
or may just pile it off and go over to BMW key making

dave

**dave11674** · 24th February, 2015, 01:47 PM

just wanna make sure their NEC programmer that comes with ABprog is up to scratch

dave

**DottoreBL** · 24th February, 2015, 03:16 PM

i usinig it on 203, 208, 210, 211, Sprinter, A klasa, ML ....

**dave11674** · 24th February, 2015, 03:19 PM

what about W221 S-classe ?
and ther eis no way to date of doing with all keys lost ?

also what other kits do you guys reccomend ?

thanks

dave

**star10** · 24th February, 2015, 07:54 PM

For newer EIS (221,164,251,204)with nec proc there is no tools to make new key If all key lost

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**dave11674** · 24th February, 2015, 08:16 PM

yeah im begining to think all tools for MB keys are for ADD extra keys only.

thanks guys

dave

**54321** · 24th February, 2015, 10:17 PM

Dave you can do lost keys on a lot of mercs just not the newer like w204, w212, w221. Most of the stuff up to 2007 can be done.

However they can't be done via obd. You would need to remove the ezs and use a device such as a rosfar or xprog to read the data, then you need a tool that can program the new key using the data collected from the ezs.

**Mario3** · 24th February, 2015, 10:24 PM

you can do keys on all motorola mcus in eis modules in a all keys lost situation, but cant do anything with nec mcu in eis in same situation

**dave11674** · 24th February, 2015, 11:34 PM

ahhhhh thanks guys
things are becoming cleaer

what is used to program the older keys guys ??
i have 4 here and i think they all have same innards

here is a pic or 2 of these keys i have

thanks

dave