well just been given the box and just haveing a play around with it all my work as been done on the skyboxes openboxes etc which i no inside out and thats due to help and the the stickys in ere which thanks again for that.the software which is running at the mo is 1.9.05.05 2013 now basically what i am asking is do these need updateing as in software and channel lists only by the null modem cabel and wot is the basics that i need i have done a sat scan and everything is ok as in picture and sat strength so any1 who as used this box and i no its a old box but it does its job for what the person needs it for.