KEY PROGRAMMING

[gadroulll]

i would like to buy a tool to write ,read ,copy key transpoders . what tool do you suggest me?

hitag, gambit, ad90 ,ad900 ..........?
Any site that someone buy one tool and worked satisfied.

thanks ..

[melcool]

TMPro or Zed-Bull

[nazz2]

I use z bull,original,very good ,but slow upgrade.and expensive!

nazz2

[allstar]

Zed-bull is the one that have more capabilities then any other device.
And have build in HITAG programmer.
Also have ability to make transponders from dump.
And if you buy original one, you will have support.
And they post updates all the time , and probably will have soon one for copying ID46 chips.
I don know how great is the support.

[allstar]

I use z bull,original,very good ,but slow upgrade.and expensive!

nazz2


Are you have some problems with it.
I am thinking to buy one , but i am not sure yet.

Can your zed-bull unlock ID48 chips ( old one and CAN )
Did you try this?

[gadroulll]

there is not something cheaper , i want it only for basic transpoders not for professional job

[nazz2]

not sure about other tools,ad900 pro is prety close,so i cant comment on that,but im happy with my zbull ,i have the copying module,4d copying via internet,but not the car software obd modules,since i have original ad100pro.

yes i can recomend this machine to anyone who is a serious,key cloner,eeprom user(for immo work),and support is good,i am eagerly waiting for the 46 ID unlocker,and copying module to come out.

yes,you can unlock 48 chip,prior to use,same goes with unlocking vag can bus chips ,before use,i have done few with no problem.one problem ,i have noticed is copying 4c on toyotas/ford ,on tpx1,which i stopped using,however, using z4c(carbon 4c made for zbull),usually fixed this problem.

[gepakg]

zed-bull and tmpro2 unlock megamos id48 only when sec.bytes are factory or locked by this tools,otherwise unlock isnt successful...

by me tmpro2 is expensive but the best tool in this jobs!

also support is very fine

regards Gepa


Are you have some problems with it.
I am thinking to buy one , but i am not sure yet.

Can your zed-bull unlock ID48 chips ( old one and CAN )
Did you try this?

[Rito]

Good post...

I am think start too whit keys (professional job)..
I am locking T-code and zed-bull or AD900..But is very expensive..
What do you think bay SBB and (ICC) Immo code calculator??
For start job?



Thanks

[agabna]

hello
ad100pro+zed-bull=100%
never think off sbb

[prusony]

Recommend Tango ...
(updates every month)

[mikeli]

I have Zed bull, updates are free, but slow...
Usually TM-Pro (Mr.bogi) add new modules, then after few months we see that modules on zed.
Also there is now promising tool called Tango.

Zed can unlock only MagicII ID48chips, also it can produce reusable CAN ID48 chips, but can't unlock CAN ID48 that is not preapared with Zed...

Very usefull tool, but if I have to buy again, probably it woud be TM-Pro..

Regards
Mikeli



Are you have some problems with it.
I am thinking to buy one , but i am not sure yet.

Can your zed-bull unlock ID48 chips ( old one and CAN )
Did you try this?

[melcool]

I saw ZedBull clone and I would like to know if is good for something!

[Rito]

I saw ZedBull clone and I would like to know if is good for something!


I don?t know exist zed-bull clone..
Do you have clone zed-bull?work good?where do you bay??

Thanks

[gepakg]

some chinese sellers offer parts of zed-bull,but it isnt z of zed-bull and also unreliable price for some modules of original!

regards Gepa


I don?t know exist zed-bull clone..
Do you have clone zed-bull?work good?where do you bay??

Thanks

[allstar]

The price is about 800$,
but who knows what can do , after very disappointing clone of AD900 i dont want to risk without some good feedback.

[melcool]

The price is 600 USD for the clone one! But is a "new product" and I'm waiting for others customers opinion

[mikeli]

Recently IAE released new firmware, only to put out anybody who want's to clone.

If clone is 800usd, than it's better to buy regular one for 1200usd...

Yes there is many china resellers that are offering ZedBull, but be aware those are "no name" china resellers

Regards
Mikeli



The price is 600 USD for the clone one! But is a "new product" and I'm waiting for others customers opinion

[senyor]

If you have any key programming tools (AD,Zedbull,T-code ect..) you will need incode & outcode calculation sw. Because All key programming tools are weak for ford, mazda and jaguar dealer code (incode). therefore you will need cryptowork sw. I advice you.

[gepakg]

by me tmpro2 is fully recommended tool for this vehicles,ford,mazda,jaguar,and also you can buy only module that you need,and best support!

regards Gepa


If you have any key programming tools (AD,Zedbull,T-code ect..) you will need incode & outcode calculation sw. Because All key programming tools are weak for ford, mazda and jaguar dealer code (incode). therefore you will need cryptowork sw. I advice you.

[gokey]

to do a good job, you need more device

[tufek]

ad900pro+ad100Pro=profesional tools
you can buy a PIN code from them

[gadroulll]

the hadware tmpro is cheap as i can se but the modules are expensive.
the modules are dll files which can been shared?

[rwgodoy]

I have original Zed-bull original, and my friend bught the clone and it not works fine, not have upgrades and his machine the tokens ends and it is trash today.

[andemarvellous17]

euros international supply ad 900 with ad400 key clone king

[mikeli]

I agree...

Mikeli


to do a good job, you need more device

[thekeyvan]

i would like to buy a tool to write ,read ,copy key transpoders . what tool do you suggest me?

hitag, gambit, ad90 ,ad900 ..........?
Any site that someone buy one tool and worked satisfied.

thanks ..

i use the ad900pro and the id46 clone update has just been released although i programme in with the ad100pro

[Rito]

About this: Immobilizer Code Calculator (http://www.immo-calc.com/) ?????
some people use this is good??
Off course more Zed-bul and T-code.....

[mikeli]

Can you confirm that cloning id46 is realy working?


Mikeli



i use the ad900pro and the id46 clone update has just been released although i programme in with the ad100pro

[gepakg]

no,modules are not DLLs and cant be shared,htey are activation codes and inside them also algos for that module exactly...

tool are very secured,because of that clone till now not exsist...

regards Gepa


the hadware tmpro is cheap as i can se but the modules are expensive.
the modules are dll files which can been shared?

[dealerdon]

And what about GAMBIT? This is a very cheap tool, I know, but what type of cars can it work with? I read the in the sw some types of car, but I think it is not the whole.
I would like to start this business, and I'am newbie.
What should I buy to work with keys easily?
Have you got anybody a help txt or anything how to use the gambit?

Thanks...

[topclef]

And what about GAMBIT? This is a very cheap tool, I know, but what type of cars can it work with? I read the in the sw some types of car, but I think it is not the whole.
I would like to start this business, and I'am newbie.
What should I buy to work with keys easily?
Have you got anybody a help txt or anything how to use the gambit?

Thanks...
Gambi programmer , made in scorpio-lk company
if you need best programmers , best technical support + every month update.
links
www.scorpio-lk.com (http://www.scorpio-lk.com/)
or http://www.vag-info.com/
www.Abritus72.com VAG Commander BMW Commnader HITAG-2 key programmer (http://www.abritus72.com/)

Regards

[gadroulll]

softwARE for tm-pro

[senyor]

If you use any key programming tools You will need incode&outcode calculation software called cryptowork.It is very good solution about Ford, Mazda and Jaguar. It gives you %100 correct code...

[Remapking]

And what about GAMBIT? This is a very cheap tool, I know, but what type of cars can it work with? I read the in the sw some types of car, but I think it is not the whole.
I would like to start this business, and I'am newbie.
What should I buy to work with keys easily?
Have you got anybody a help txt or anything how to use the gambit?

Thanks...



I think its kindda funny that newbies think you just buy a tool and thats all.. :stupid:

Before you start to spend ?????? - and trust me you will need to, i would recommend you learn the basics - as for which tool to make keys- again funny as it depends on which car, year, chip type etc etc etc.. i have a Van full of tools which cost about the same as a small lottery win!! and i still cannot make keys for ALL vehicles!!

Good luck- Its a long road ahead

[Remapking]

Gambit- Cheap?? are you refering to cloned??

As a newbie you will need as much support as you can try and get.. You will not get ANYTHING with cloned tools, no support, no updates and lack of functions..

[MOBILTRONIC]

We can not obtain knowledge by purchasing equipments.This happens over time and must be paid through the school and have a base in the work we do.

[gadroulll]

does anyone has cryptwork to see how it works?

[squirrelbandy]

i have used cryptowork for last 3 months , to start with a few codes were incorrect but in the last month i have done about 30 on the trot 100% working so can say its great .:laugh:

[tomasete]

I heard it is a very interesting buy, alternative for tmpro and zed bull, does a few trucks as well, has anybody tried it?

I have a transponder cloner, and a t300 and probably is the next thing I should buy and learn to use seems very complicated...

[squirrelbandy]

sorry it is not a alternative to anything , it is a stand alone code calculator to work alongside ids , ad100 ect and anything else that uses ford dealer code to access security .
i know they are working on other softwares so maybe watch this their space .

[Fallen]

If I had to choose one tool from the 6 or 7 that I have I would pick my MVP-PRO. It's cheap for an original tool, you get constant updates and it has NEVER let me down, not once. You get free in/out codes from them and you can also purchase vin to pin on anything the tester cant read.

[addgsm]

am thinking about buying tango or zed bull need advice which one privide fast update with good price?
also want to know which of these devices can programme key for chevrolet captiva or deawoo winstorm?
br

[Anmed]

MasterKey - here is my choice.

[senyor]

Yes squirrelbandy (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/members/96388-squirrelbandy/)telling the truth. Cryptowork working %100 now. Thanks to nasratech and cryptowork company. (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/96388-squirrelbandy/)

[lurossi]

hello, good post on tools for immobilisers, my experience tells me that over time buying original tools you will gain time and money, too, that the clone tool costs are very attractive but have to work to test and error, that can go right or wrong and must bear the costs, I hope my comments will be useful, good job

[Anmed]

MasterKey (http://www.pam.bz/?id=home&lang=en) Here you can read about the possibilities of the instrument

[white_shadow]

Does anyone know what key programmer will work on my 2000 Toyota Celica. I lost my one and only master key and need to program a new transponder into the ECU. I bought a T300 on Ebay but I could not get it to work on my Celica. I have contacted so many sellers of various programmers but none can tell me for sure if they will work on my Celica. Any help greatly appreciated.

[lurossi]

hi, not exactly, what is your problem, but I have done with zed bull, I also know that is possible with tmpro

[kljucar]

Zed Bull is best with combination of Jma+cloner TX1,TX2,TX3,and you need good MVP

[emenoz]

Hi all am a freshman to key programming , can someone help me with key programming training literature, thanks in advance

[drivesure]

i will go with zedbull, because of obd cables. tmpro is very good, but try and make keys for a jaguar where you have to strip the cluster and you realise that obd is much better and faster. zedbull have a new ford cable that produce ford keys with no incode outcode neccessary. can do renaults in one go and have cables for alfa, fiat and chev etc etc that bypass the pin codes ( works it out internally and ) program the remotes. no hassle. for any newbie it is a breeze to do most cars.

[prusony]

My choice - Tango !

[Anmed]

prusony Can you read 8C chip with Tango?

[prusony]

prusony Can you read 8C chip with Tango?
At this time, Tango does not read these chips :) (Why read this chip? then what to do with the dump???? )
Tell me - MK read / write a specific chip saab?
Unlocked WITHOUT PIN megamos48 and PCF7941-Chrysler ? ... :)

[key-maker]

i have zed bull the orginal its very good machine and my friend buy one from china and its not working so buy the orginal

[tomasete]

Does anyone know what key programmer will work on my 2000 Toyota Celica. I lost my one and only master key and need to program a new transponder into the ECU. I bought a T300 on Ebay but I could not get it to work on my Celica. I have contacted so many sellers of various programmers but none can tell me for sure if they will work on my Celica. Any help greatly appreciated.

trs5000, ad900 or any transponder cloner for texas crypto will work on your car. no need to program it in the car

[gokey]

If no key, trs5000 / ad900 not help

[tomasete]

I did not read properly the message, sorry about that:giveup:
perhaps you could do it with the toyota smart key maker, but I am not sure about that, around 100 eur from china.

I have one but did not try it yet...

[drivesure]

toyota smart key maker only works with $d keys and prox keys. cannot do 4c toyota keys

[adam28]

Has anyone had experience with the TMPRO2 clone? And does it come with modules?

Been searching and it seems as the clone is a shite one...

[gokey]

@ klebao --- asked the producer ,one time password and you can do update 5.15

[gopelhu]

Hi,

I have these, try them.... and i don't have the newer sw *.msi file...sorry:(

Regards,G

[Fallen]

How are you guys finding your machines? DO they do everything thay claim too, like copying TPX2?

[electronicar]

So if i had to choose 2 machines that can do at least 80% of cars efficiently , what would my best option be ?
Also who can suggest the best suppliers ? Anyone bought any key cutting machines ? I am looking for something versatile , thx .

[fordfan]

so im interested in zebbull or tmpro for transponder copy then where do i get the blank transponder ? from

2 a good key cutting machine ?

im really interested in this for my shop but im lost and dont see a lot off info on that subject

[nazz2]

Since i own zbull,i can only comment on it,i have it +the eeprom ,tpx2 cloning,it has never let me down yet!,but very seldom it has issue with toyotas,but i put it down to the tpx2,ehs2 head,since you might get bad batch from china.

with regrds to the key machine,if you are in europe buy these,at least i bought them and i have never got stuck.since i do lost key and key duplication.
1.Silca FO 2000 for cutting ford tibbe keys to code.
2.Silce SA2000 for duplicating /copying cylinder keys.
3.HPC blitz 1200 machine for cutting keys to code,if the keys are lost.
4.Silca matrix S,for cutting laser keys,but if money is no object(i would) go with Silca viper or BD laser, since the cut to code blocks are expensive for Silca Matrix S.(you have to buy these coding blocks seperately,for each make,like vw,opel,ford,peugeot,for lost key situation,and they are prety penny!).

nazz2

[capiro]

Hi all What is the best blanks to use with the Super AD900Pro? I am new to the clogning job

[electronicar]

Hi all What is the best blanks to use with the Super AD900Pro? I am new to the clogning job

Hi Capiro , u have the same questions i have , check this link there's a lot of helpful info HERE (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f177/ad900-pro-chinese-version-info-needed-147489/) ...

[jojo1212]

and how much do they sell the Z bull

[THeFOg]

Only one is mvp you get the full package on tokens THE BEST !!!:rock:

[Taher]

I don?t know exist zed-bull clone..
Do you have clone zed-bull?work good?where do you bay??

Thanks

i know where you can buy Zed-bull clone if you want just contact Me

Thanks !

[extremesecurity]

i use the keycrypt pro which is an ad900 and over the moon with it

[NZBJ1]

I brought a Code Reader 2 cloner out of China. It clones most chips very easily & will do TPX1 & 2.
Also it can generate form eeprom's

I have only had it for 2 months but we have found it better than our Chinese ad90 and old RW3-Texcode

[garvo411]

NZBJ1 could you please upload some files from dvd8 for the code reader as I have purchased one and have some corrupted files on dvd8 and know of another dk user with the same problem. the files are
adv_10_00.ta
adv_10_01.ta
adv_10_02.ta
adv_10_03.ta
adv_10_31.ta
thanks in advance

[garvo411]

don't worry about those files I have found some. will test them tomorrow and if they are good upload for others. thankyou

[snecii]

Hello!


I have a Suzuki with 4C texas Chip, How can I clone IT with Zed-bull? Is there anything like, PCF7946? Or just read/write!?


Thanks

[tomasete]

just read write on tpx1:rock:

[gokey]

or programmed by the OBD

[snecii]

just read write on tpx1:rock:


CAn I write it on blank 4c texas chip?

[snecii]

or programmed by the OBD

How can I program on OBD with ZEdbull? READ eeprom with xprog?

[tomasete]

How can I program on OBD with ZEdbull? READ eeprom with xprog?

you can write on a tpx1 or eh1 but not on 4cblank, to program by obd you can use 4c blank, but i do not know if you can program it with zed bull. a t300 or sbb should be able to do that.

[snecii]

you can write on a tpx1 or eh1 but not on 4cblank, to program by obd you can use 4c blank, but i do not know if you can program it with zed bull. a t300 or sbb should be able to do that.



If I buy a key from china with 4c chip (blank new), I can't just write key? I need TPx1 for write? Why?


Thanks!

[tomasete]

If I buy a key from china with 4c chip (blank new), I can't just write key? I need TPx1 for write? Why?


Thanks!

4c blank is to program in the car; tpx1 is to clone 4c chips.
to program in the car, with t300 or similar, the car identifies the key as new.
cloning the key, with zed bull on tpx1 you do not have to go to the car. it thinks they are the same key original and cloned.
hope you understand now

[snecii]

4c blank is to program in the car; tpx1 is to clone 4c chips.
to program in the car, with t300 or similar, the car identifies the key as new.
cloning the key, with zed bull on tpx1 you do not have to go to the car. it thinks they are the same key original and cloned.
hope you understand now

Yes OK! Thanks!

I need something for renault pin codes...
If I am right T300 can read out original 16 digit PIN code for CLip Programing! Right? If it can read out can it teach to car key from renault dealer? Can it teach key to car where transponder(PCF7946) has been changed?

Can Sbb2010 do the same as T300? Wich is better?


REally thanks!

[gokey]

it was suzuki , not renault !?

[snecii]

it was suzuki , not renault !?


Yes Renault! But I will need to do a suzuki key Too.
I just has to buy a new aftermark key for it And I don't know how to teach it becouse 4c blank not waiable to copy from old key. If Iam right. only tx1 able to copy

[tomasete]

You should say which car models you are trying to copy;
ad100pro original can get renault pincodes but not t300
sbb i don?t know

[otokeys]

same thing for original SBB..can't get renault pincodes

[snecii]

Okay !

Somebodei says t300 CAN and somebody say can't read Renault megane/scenic PIN code!

BUT With Xprog IT can read from eeprom and Zedbull can calculate pin or program key?

So IF I buy both (China) that will absolutely do the trick?

[kingkey]

Okay !




Somebodei says t300 CAN and somebody say can't read Renault megane/scenic PIN code!

BUT With Xprog IT can read from eeprom and Zedbull can calculate pin or program key?

So IF I buy both (China) that will absolutely do the trick?

i cannot comment on chinese kit but , the x prog can only read from the dump , you would be much better of reading the pin via obd socket with something like the renault truecode for renaults . it has been discussed elsewhere on this part of the forum

[antonypaul]

I use z bull,original,very good ,but slow upgrade.and expensive!

nazz2

Dear M8,
I need ZED BULL seller info kindly send me in pm Thanks in Advance :thrasher:

Antony Paul

[gokey]

where are you from ?

[antonypaul]

where are you from ?

Dear M8,
from India my Friend
Antony Paul:rock:

[hakimk]

thanks a lot

[boutrosjoseph]

AD90 i have bought one and test it............. it works very good on BMW EWS 1-2-3-4. these versions all before CAS system.

[Dylan Chin]

Hai everyone , Ad100pro and Mvp pro...which one is better..what different..

[memelosk]

Hi,

I have Tango, Zed Bull, TRS-5000 and AD900PRO... it depends of your habilities... If you do not know anything about programming... (if you want original equipment) first:

Buy TRS-5000 with TPX1, TPX2, TPX3 (just for the start)... very easy to use... you can copy 90% of the keys in the hole world and you can identify the transponder very easy!!...

Then buy AD900PRO(basic)... you can pay a new software when you have to program a car

When you have more experience ...buy Tangoo! for advanced programming (excelent support)... and for complement Zedbull.. that is all I can say

:bandit:

[marginal]

Hi,

I have Tango, Zed Bull, TRS-5000 and AD900PRO... it depends of your habilities... If you do not know anything about programming... (if you want original equipment) first:

Buy TRS-5000 with TPX1, TPX2, TPX3 (just for the start)... very easy to use... you can copy 90% of the keys in the hole world and you can identify the transponder very easy!!...

Then buy AD900PRO(basic)... you can pay a new software when you have to program a car

When you have more experience ...buy Tangoo! for advanced programming (excelent support)... and for complement Zedbull.. that is all I can say

:bandit:
Does it help to only identify if you can not copy afterwords?

Thanks.

[tomasete]

Does it help to only identify if you can not copy afterwords?

Thanks.

it does help, to know what you have to do, yes

[Tbolbi]

i would like to buy a tool to write ,read ,copy key transpoders . what tool do you suggest me?

hitag, gambit, ad90 ,ad900 ..........?
Any site that someone buy one tool and worked satisfied.

thanks ..

ZeD-bull original is the best one for you bro
ill send you some info in pv

[marginal]

ZeD-bull original is the best one for you bro
ill send you some info in pv
Could you do the same for me?

Thanks.

[marginal]

it does help, to know what you have to do, yes
Nothing can be done in the case with Volvo yet, can it?

[tomasete]

Nothing can be done in the case with Volvo yet, can it?
with tango, some models of volvo can be done, 40, 70 940 850 and trucks
zedbull i dont know but probably

[ngakson2002]

hello,
Tmpro2 is the best and support, excellent.So do not hesitate contact Mr Bogi now at Tmpro2.com

[Demetrius]

Is there a difference between:
Transponder Maker Pro 2 (http://www.tmpro2.com/)
&
TMPro (http://www.tmpro.co.uk/)

[milanoffracing]

Is there a difference between:
Transponder Maker Pro 2 (http://www.tmpro2.com/)
&
TMPro (http://www.tmpro.co.uk/)

No, the first one is a developer of this great tool , the second one is a dealer. :boring:

[airbagunit]

HI GUYS

A LOT OF CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE TOOLS I WANTED TO KNOW
WITCH TOOL IS TESTED AND BEST FOR PROGRAMING MERZ BMW HONDA TOYOTA SUBARU ETC KEYS CARS COME FROM THE AUCTION AND NO KEYS IM INTERESTED IN BMW TOYOTA ACURA KEY CARD PROGRAMING :giveup:

[bullitboss]

The best is ZED bull AD100 and tango, tmpro is to expensive and not always work

[statusquo]

hi guys

RwPROG to try the software in Russian RwProg RFID programmer official page. (http://www.bicotech.com/?page=prod_rwprog&lg=en)
could you tell me if it is well sayings or not

[Stevan381]

Can someone explain to me why ALL AGAINST BUYING SBB. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF SBB?
THANK YOU

[marginal]

Can someone explain to me why ALL AGAINST BUYING SBB. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF SBB?
THANK YOU
I don't know "WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF SBB", but I know it is the best programmer I have (compared to T300, MVP, in a way to Diagun, VAG DASH CAN, etc.)
What I don't like about it though, is it does not explain what's the problem (when there's one), it just says something like: "Connection Lost" and that's it.

[clearly]

Avdi

Tango

find better

[vpug]

Hi
Can anyone tell me where I can download a list of make/model/years of cars that can be programmed with
ZED bull and AD100.

Thanks Vpug

[Rito]

Hi
Can anyone tell me where I can download a list of make/model/years of cars that can be programmed with
ZED bull and AD100.

Thanks Vpug

Search in google..

Zed-BULL Haber Portal? (http://www.zedbull.com/)
www.elemetools.es

[m3mpower]

i will go with zedbull, because of obd cables. tmpro is very good, but try and make keys for a jaguar where you have to strip the cluster and you realise that obd is much better and faster. zedbull have a new ford cable that produce ford keys with no incode outcode neccessary. can do renaults in one go and have cables for alfa, fiat and chev etc etc that bypass the pin codes ( works it out internally and ) program the remotes. no hassle. for any newbie it is a breeze to do most cars.
Hi, does it do Peugeot and citroen ?
thanks

[m3mpower]

i have zed bull the orginal its very good machine and my friend buy one from china and its not working so buy the orginal
Hi, sorry can i ask where you bought the original from? and does it do Peugeot's ?
Thanks

[m3mpower]

ZeD-bull original is the best one for you bro
ill send you some info in pv
hi, i'm also interested in Z Bull so if you can send me info on it that would be great
Thanks

[m3mpower]

Hi everyone,
i have just read all these posts and i think most people give good feedback about Z Bull
but no one says how much it costs ( original ) and where it can be purchased ????
any ideas?
Thanks

[autolockmasters]

Hi everyone,
i have just read all these posts and i think most people give good feedback about Z Bull
but no one says how much it costs ( original ) and where it can be purchased ????
any ideas?
Thanks

This is the company who makes zed bull. contact them they will let u know where to buy it from in ur country.

Istanbul Elektronik Anahtar (http://www.istanbulanahtar.com/index.php?lang=en)

[marginal]

I contacted them, they replied to a couple of my emails and never gave me a price.

[tomasete]

if anyone wants to know, pm me