latest autel update

[rapidlocksmiths]

Warning for Autel user regarding the current/latest toyota update .

its being widely spoken about on autel groups that alot of toyota coverage has been removed in latest update .

there are so many theories what and why being posted making it difficult to determine what is what exactly , the most credible to date which is supposed to have come from autel tech is that theres some issues and legals between autel and toyota that need to be resolved , if or until resolved a number of functions have been removed .

im sure autel will resolve it but until then be aware , Abrites , Lonsdor and other tools are not affected .

for those 1 tool wonders and for those that rely on autel for their toyota coverage , then for now its advised not to update to the latest update for toyota as most all keys lost coverage involving immo reset has been removed .

*UPDATE*

supposedly from autel , they are in negotiations with toyota to resolve issues and restore the removed coverage in the future , but for now most of the all keys lost coverage has been removed from the tool for the time being .

this is from a 3rd party that has been in contact with autel.

so for those needing this coverage , avoid loading the latest toyota update to your device.

[Spiritech]

I bet they've nicked stuff out of Techstream again and got found out, now they need to go back and re-engineer their solution and prove they didn't steal intellectual property. Autel are well known for nicking stuff out of OEM softwares.

[SAMDoctor]

No need to nick things, Autel (and every other tool manufacturer) can get the diagnostic data straight from Toyota, Honda... At least there is an EU regulation about this: 2018/858. There might be similar regulation for other countries.

Guess they have not paid for their contract renewal or they are negotiating the price.

[rapidlocksmiths]

if the case then they need to get it paid , just as there users must pay their subs each year to use the functions , i doubt they will be refunding their users.

though what ever the reason they will either sort it or they wont.

[CaioW]

No need to nick things, Autel (and every other tool manufacturer) can get the diagnostic data straight from Toyota, Honda... At least there is an EU regulation about this: 2018/858. There might be similar regulation for other countries.

Guess they have not paid for their contract renewal or they are negotiating the price.

Yeah, but the problem is not EU, problem is outside EU.

[SAMDoctor]

Yeah, but the problem is not EU, problem is outside EU.

Yeah, but Toyota has to provide access to this diagnostic information to be allowed to sell cars in Europe. SnapOn and every other tool vendor would have these contracts with every OEM, no need to reverse engineer anything, they will sell you the specs.

Guess Toyota wants more ¥¥¥¥ and Autel might be underreporting how many devices they sell.

[CaioW]

Yeah, but Toyota has to provide access to this diagnostic information to be allowed to sell cars in Europe. SnapOn and every other tool vendor would have these contracts with every OEM, no need to reverse engineer anything, they will sell you the specs.

Guess Toyota wants more ¥¥¥¥ and Autel might be underreporting how many devices they sell.

I dont think so, but lets see how it goes around.

[rapidlocksmiths]

sadly i had updated before i knew of these issues , luckily i have multiple tools for this coverage so not an issue to wait it out , but others without options may benefit by not updating .

[Manta1600]

sadly i had updated before i knew of these issues , luckily i have multiple tools for this coverage so not an issue to wait it out , but others without options may benefit by not updating .

If just smart box reset functions was removed I don't think that is Toyota privacy related

Many locksmiths don't know how to use this functions and kill cars so maybe Autel decide to remove this option

[rapidlocksmiths]

UPDATE , theres been a statement from autel attached , sorry about quality

[fred77]

I bet they've nicked stuff out of Techstream again and got found out, now they need to go back and re-engineer their solution and prove they didn't steal intellectual property. Autel are well known for nicking stuff out of OEM softwares.


mate manufacturers just don't like us under cluttering n security. our days r numbered

[fred77]

UPDATE , theres been a statement from autel attached , sorry about quality


know my eye sight isn't like 20s but bloody magnifying glasses to read rapid martin

[rapidlocksmiths]

its online steve on most of the autel groups now, one below is better , screen shot didnt transfer so well . but in short they are in negotiations with toyota but have had to remove it for now . the big question is of course , are autel just the first or will they do the same with other tools if succesful with autel.
from what i can gather for those that dont update all offline models remain unaffected but online can no longer be done , for those that have updates many offline models can still be done via the diag menu not immo menu , input car details , immo keys and hot functions and then smart code reset.

you cannot blame manufacturers for tightening the screw against us as a trade , its not the manufacturers flooding the internet with how to easily beat their security videos , its not the manufacturers flooding social media with posts , selling cheap china keys and its not the manufacturers selling very cheap tools on amazon temu etc to anyone and everyone , those in this trade from diag makers to one tool wonders are there own worst enemies , km100 and 508 both available on temu and amazon cheap and internet awash with how to videos . if i was a manufacturer id be working hard to lock us out too. sadly its been made too easy to buy a tool and steal cars and price cut the dealers and compramise their security online. why the need to flood both internet and social media the way they do is a mystery to me as self defeating.

[fred77]

its online steve on most of the autel groups now, one below is better , screen shot didnt transfer so well . but in short they are in negotiations with toyota but have had to remove it for now . the big question is of course , are autel just the first or will they do the same with other tools if succesful with autel.
from what i can gather for those that dont update all offline models remain unaffected but online can no longer be done , for those that have updates many offline models can still be done via the diag menu not immo menu , input car details , immo keys and hot functions and then smart code reset.

you cannot blame manufacturers for tightening the screw against us as a trade , its not the manufacturers flooding the internet with how to easily beat their security videos , its not the manufacturers flooding social media with posts , selling cheap china keys and its not the manufacturers selling very cheap tools on amazon temu etc to anyone and everyone , those in this trade from diag makers to one tool wonders are there own worst enemies , km100 and 508 both available on temu and amazon cheap and internet awash with how to videos . if i was a manufacturer id be working hard to lock us out too. sadly its been made too easy to buy a tool and steal cars and price cut the dealers and compramise their security online. why the need to flood both internet and social media the way they do is a mystery to me as self defeating.


all true

Co-part small traders n others all want something for nothing - lost key job toyota trader told pay me £50 with 2nd-hand key.
the thing is i never heard back so recon he found some cheapo lockie prob using this same forum

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So hopefully I can still do latest toyota's with Autel with no update but not counting on it - tool always needs internet

[wuza]

all true

Co-part small traders n others all want something for nothing - lost key job toyota trader told pay me £50 with 2nd-hand key.
the thing is i never heard back so recon he found some cheapo lockie prob using this same forum

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So hopefully I can still do latest toyota's with Autel with no update but not counting on it - tool always needs internet
That is also my point… We will in most cases need internet access to do the job.
And I don’t know what they have done on server… what kind of algorithm has been written…
Maybe at the end you will not be able to do the job… who knows…

[Manta1600]

If companies like Toyota disable all tools like Autel then chinese will start to sell noname offline tools

[rapidlocksmiths]

If companies like Toyota disable all tools like Autel then chinese will start to sell noname offline tools

they have relied on access to toyota servers , with that access stopped now by toyota is the issue , if Toyota have blocked access to autel , how long before they stop this access to all tools ? following the likes of vag group , if succesfull how long before others follow ?

According to toyota these immo functions go beyond the remite of their access licence , autel refute this and thus the gesture of removing the coverage during negotiations.
only a fool wil not see the relevence of km100 and 508 being sold to anyone on temu and amazon etc and the rise in thefts of toyota vehicles , the how to videos availabe to all and the silly low cost keys being offered , manufacturers have had enough of our suppliers selling cheap tools to all and the online videos and of course the low ball prices , of course they have to act and try to lock us out as best they can , those within our trade created the issue not toyota , its not toyota flooding the market with cheap tools and how to videos .

autel like rest are going to have to actually develop their own solutions rather than rely on server access to dealers.

On the plus side it will start wiping out the 1 tool wonders from big chunks of the market until the cheap tools find a workaround allowing rates to recover for now at least.

[Manta1600]

they have relied on access to toyota servers , with that access stopped now by toyota is the issue , if Toyota have blocked access to autel , how long before they stop this access to all tools ? following the likes of vag group , if succesfull how long before others follow.

autel like rest are going to have to actually develop their own solutions rather than rely on server access to dealers.

On the plus side it will start wiping out the 1 tool wonders from big chunks of the market until the cheap tools find a workaround.

No I don't think that Autel solutions are based on Toyota servers like VAG

If was based on Toyota will be possible to do BABA keys by OBD

Autel struggle by OBD on almost all models AAAA A9A9 with alarm that some other tools do it easy

[rapidlocksmiths]

No I don't think that Autel solutions are based on Toyota servers like VAG

If was based on Toyota will be possible to do BABA keys by OBD

Autel struggle on almost all models AAAA A9A9 with alarm that some other tools do it easy

i can only go by the statement released by autel , where this is stated as the reason , unless im reading the statement wrong .

just because it doesnt affect other tools yet doesnt mean it wont do in the near or distant future .

though you can still reach smart code reset via diag menu on im608 pro , just not immo menu , or could last i looked, but not tested if working as i generally use a different tool .

[key4man]

I did the latest Toyota update, and I had 3 days ago all keys lost smart key lexus ux250h 2021 , i did backup immo data , emulator and and add key everything worked ok , I didn't notice at all to the update.

[CaioW]

they have relied on access to toyota servers , with that access stopped now by toyota is the issue , if Toyota have blocked access to autel , how long before they stop this access to all tools ? following the likes of vag group , if succesfull how long before others follow ?

According to toyota these immo functions go beyond the remite of their access licence , autel refute this and thus the gesture of removing the coverage during negotiations.
only a fool wil not see the relevence of km100 and 508 being sold to anyone on temu and amazon etc and the rise in thefts of toyota vehicles , the how to videos availabe to all and the silly low cost keys being offered , manufacturers have had enough of our suppliers selling cheap tools to all and the online videos and of course the low ball prices , of course they have to act and try to lock us out as best they can , those within our trade created the issue not toyota , its not toyota flooding the market with cheap tools and how to videos .

autel like rest are going to have to actually develop their own solutions rather than rely on server access to dealers.

On the plus side it will start wiping out the 1 tool wonders from big chunks of the market until the cheap tools find a workaround allowing rates to recover for now at least.


100% true.

Autel lost a lot of credibility when they spend all the money they have on EV solutions.. New factory, new products, all the development goes for EV.. They had a big bill to pay, and for the last 2 years they changed their distributor policy, now they let anyone sell their devices, they dont respect MSRP, because they need to sell. Thats why they flood the market with KM100 and IM508.
Online sales is a joke for big distributors, who have to maintain technical support with great professionals, sales department.. they are now relying in small distributors who don't have the knowledge.
Autel dont respect local distributors when talking about ONLINE, they jus wanna sell!

[fuzz1]

Hi
I heard topdon is also removing the feature for akl and immo reset for Toyota. But heard other rumours that it will not be just for toyotas but for all cars and that they will force updates before use

[rapidlocksmiths]

cant blame manufacturers , those who have flooded the net with social media and youtube videos have forced their hand as have the cheap china tools like km100 etc. you can only poke a bear so many times before it bites.

[fuzz1]

It's been on the news recently that there are many car theft specially for kessy car systems.
Hitting not only Kia and Hyundai but others. However from the videos captured the thieves are not using those key tools mentioned here. They are using tools that are quicker and captures data from the smart keys.

[ray-ray]

Not all regions here look at post from Claudia key tech tools. If can not read the image basically if you buy from them in Mexico nothing has been removed .

[fuzz1]

Yeah i saw that post but it seems they might reconsider with the high theft rate. However i don't think it will solve the problem of theft. The thieves are simply using better devices and ways that conventional locksmith don't use