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luqmancfc
12th May, 2010, 11:50 PM
all there. there taking over.

steppenwolf
13th May, 2010, 09:55 AM
all there. there taking over.

Is that all? ;)

patkins
13th May, 2010, 12:02 PM
all there. there taking over.

Would you care to expand or are you on medication?:aetsch::aetsch:

hoggy952
13th May, 2010, 08:45 PM
all there. there taking over.

I am puzzled:hmmmm:

smoggy
14th May, 2010, 01:33 AM
not sure but to all fellow masons BOAZ

z786
16th May, 2010, 02:17 AM
not jachin?

chroma
17th May, 2010, 04:11 AM
not sure but to all fellow masons BOAZ

how old is your mother?

smoggy
17th May, 2010, 01:13 PM
how old is your mother?

If she was still with us I reckon she would be at least twice or maybe 3 times older than you

mattybhoy
17th May, 2010, 11:03 PM
They've taken over Scottish football!:)

therockuk
2nd June, 2010, 01:52 PM
how old is your mother?

6592 to be exact and yours?:proud:

smoggy
2nd June, 2010, 02:03 PM
6592 to be exact and yours?:proud:

is that in Staffordshire

chroma
2nd June, 2010, 03:17 PM
6592 to be exact and yours?:proud:

170 on the nose ;) although ive attended her sisters aged 321 and 18.

therockuk
3rd June, 2010, 03:00 PM
:listen:
is that in Staffordshire

shhh!!!

I too have attended to many of her sisters but not all live in this province.

S&F

dell_xps
3rd June, 2010, 08:59 PM
And yer point is m8 ?
Fraternal Greetings !!!

z786
4th June, 2010, 12:15 AM
i think theres alot of masons on here
by any chance, wat degrees r u lot
and do u actually knw wat the real plan is?

dazzabhoy
4th June, 2010, 03:25 PM
its what they do with the goat in those lodges when all the boys get together.

z786
4th June, 2010, 03:49 PM
they are forerunners 2 the anti-christ
the ones at the top know it, the ones at the bottom are in denial

heres a clip from a freemason

YouTube - Simpsons - Stonecutters Song

dell_xps
4th June, 2010, 08:33 PM
its what they do with the goat in those lodges when all the boys get together.

Priceless !!!

:stupido:

utdman
8th June, 2010, 10:31 PM
google

'The Arrivals'

very intresting

nagrom
12th June, 2010, 07:43 PM
Is there anything to this thread??

jasbo7
12th June, 2010, 09:46 PM
it's a secret!!!!

bald rick
12th June, 2010, 10:11 PM
anyone that shows you their nipples cant be that bad:proud:

chroma
13th June, 2010, 04:07 AM
Is there anything to this thread??

Nope, the days of masonic power have came and gone.
Nowadays its nothing more than a charitable organisation, its not even classed as a secret society, simply show up at your local lodge and ask for membership, pay your fees, take part in the initiation and roberts your mothers brother.

Anything to the contrary is just speculation on the part of people who feel the need to be "against" something but cant seem to find a cause through the plethora of highly admirable ones that they could actualy do something about. Instead focusing on some elaborate fantasy.

The reason masons keep rituals somewhat secret is purely down to tradition and to prevent ruining the surprise when a brother obtains another level.

z786
14th June, 2010, 02:57 AM
what about bohemian grove?
what about the mainstream music and the hidden messages in them?
what about the significance of the numbers 9-11?

charitable? yes 2 themselves
no society admits they are wrong,
jus like they killed jfk, tell their secrets n get "removed"

chroma
14th June, 2010, 03:50 AM
what about bohemian grove?
what about the mainstream music and the hidden messages in them?
what about the significance of the numbers 9-11?

charitable? yes 2 themselves
no society admits they are wrong,
jus like they killed jfk, tell their secrets n get "removed"

The members of Bohemian Grove have no more to do with the masons than the illuminati, skull and bones or even the KkK does, its an entirely different society.

Hidden messages in music??? lol whut?
I'll leave playing stairway to heaven backwards to the tinfoil hat brigade.

What about the significance of the number 217.32 everywhere? or the number 172, or the number 4...
Pick a number and study anything and you'll find it all over it, its just how the mind works, pattern recognition and a touch of obesession, it all boils down to how the reticular activating system works.

As for charity, it should always begin at home, i feel neither guilt nor remorse over hiring a trusted brother over a plethora of strangers for a job or giving him something before all else.
Of course we're charitable to ourselves, to suggest otherwise would be absurd, this of corse isnt to suggest we dont do a lot for our communities, but unlike companies and philanthrpists we give donations anonymously. Not feeling the need to garner publicity and selfish praise for giving.

JFK was NOT a mason (contrary to popular belief very few US presidents actualy have been masons, just over a dozen out of forty four?) so i certainly have no idea over what "secrets" he was supposed to be revealing.

As for whether a mason kiled him? i have no idea, but thats a moot point, Lincolin for instance was killed by a Baptist, does that mean that "the baptists" had it in for Lincolin? Its all to easy to tar a group with the same brush as a bad member.

People seem to have this laughable fantasy that the masons control the world in secret and obscure ways, i find it terribly amusing considering that the majority of lodge masters cant get their members to pay their fees on time.
clearly such organisational skill can rule the universe right?

z786
14th June, 2010, 04:09 AM
its not the soldiers dat benefit,
its the chief in command

about the music backwards, theres no need for that anymore, they are doin it blatantly!

the 911 is significant caus thats wen the buildings wer dropped, dats wat the emergency number in usa is for, thats when jayz released his new album on, he is another1, the pyramid with his eye in the middle??

ok, tell me you havnt seen national treasure? made by the freemasons telling u the tru story?

but seriosly u knw wat im talkin about lol
come on, admit it

ps. about JFK he wasnt a mason, check the JFK thread on here with my posted link of his speech, and listen 2 it very carefully

dell_xps
14th June, 2010, 11:51 AM
Got to agree with Chroma, it's a gentlemens club and they do a lot of charity fund raising, nothing less nothing more !!
Anything else you think it is, it isn't !!
End of.
Brother Dell_XPS......:proud:

jaysbee666
14th June, 2010, 10:08 PM
6592 to be exact and yours?:proud:


317 Camperdown

father ted
14th June, 2010, 10:21 PM
911 dolphin mmm

z786
14th June, 2010, 11:39 PM
i had a friend that used 2 work for a local convention centre, it is also a masonic hall

wen the masons wer in meetings he wasnt allowed in, soundproofed doors, and if any1 entered the hall would get the immediate sack

he placed hidden cam in there, and im not gona say anythin further

im sure u knw the rest, only "charitable" goins on eh lol

and hi user jaysbee666, cudv sworn seen them numbers elsewhere lol

dell_xps
15th June, 2010, 05:53 PM
317 Camperdown

Dundonian I C, 99 here !!

BRASS EAGLE
22nd June, 2010, 12:07 AM
I would like to know what degree is the entrance to king solomans temple And yer mothers old shoe?? Whit the FU>K is that all aboot???GET IT SHOE aboot LOL

BRASS EAGLE
22nd June, 2010, 12:07 AM
Wee JIMMY 1888

vinliq101
14th July, 2010, 04:26 PM
any comments on Zeitsgeist the movie??

z786
14th July, 2010, 11:51 PM
any comments on Zeitsgeist the movie??

its disinfo, they will tell you a few factsand hide more lies within

the storyof Jesus is true, its been turned in2 sun worship by the illuminati,but Jesus did exist

chroma
14th July, 2010, 11:54 PM
any comments on Zeitsgeist the movie??

Overly long diatribe laden, plotholes the size of craters, complete farce?
Do you really want me to disect it piece by piece when there are so many others who have done so previously?

If you really want to scare yourelf shitless watch collapse (http://www.collapsemovie.com/)

xxLeonxx
15th July, 2010, 12:34 AM
I keep on hearing and reading about the masons. What are the advantages of being one?

chroma
15th July, 2010, 12:55 AM
I keep on hearing and reading about the masons. What are the advantages of being one?

Cheap drink ;)

irfy
31st July, 2010, 11:13 PM
Watch "The Arrivals" it really long, 1st few parts will bore you but rest will blow you away.

nara
31st July, 2010, 11:53 PM
Watch "The Arrivals" it really long, 1st few parts will bore you but rest will blow you away.

Lol, you're easily blown. :smokin:

Typical conspiracy theory nonsense for the weak-minded.

z786
2nd August, 2010, 01:32 AM
Lol, you're easily blown. :smokin:

Typical conspiracy theory nonsense for the weak-minded.

iv seen it mate and id hav 2 say its quite good, makes alot of sense

irfy
2nd August, 2010, 08:40 PM
iv seen it mate and id hav 2 say its quite good, makes alot of sense

10 years ago the elite showed me there power. They wanted me to join them, if i told you how you'd think im crazy. My family n freinds though i'd lost the plot. But i know what i saw that night many years ago.

After watching the Arrivals i understood why and how they got into my head. They control so much even the wave lenghts that reach your TV set. They call themselves the illuminati Why because they think they have been illuminated by knowledge from the fallen angels.

This might sound like mumbo jumbo but if you really wanna find the truth you dont have to look very hard. Just watch the arrivals for a start.

nara
2nd August, 2010, 09:19 PM
They control so much even the wave lenghts that reach your TV set.

O............................................K.




This might sound like mumbo jumbo.

Surely not?

irfy
2nd August, 2010, 10:42 PM
Lets put it this way that night i was watchin TV it was a Sat night. Its hard for me to explain but its all about coincedences. Like for e.g I would listen to a remix jungle tune "The untouchables" and i flick the channel on my TV and bam the movie untouchables is on. I have surround speakers they started to emit sound very much like a fax machine. To cut a long story short it felt like the people on the TV channel could see me thru my TV. YES thats right sounds crazy. I put my face right upto the TV set and the guy from the show would come close to the camera like we are face to face. I move back he moves back. I flick channels that day i remeber tellin my friends that did you know if you back track michael jacksons tracks there are hidden messages in his music. That night 1 of the channels was showing just that. Co-incedence after conincedence. I was awake till 5 or 6 am tryin to figure out how they were doing this. At first i thought it was jus my TV. But it wasnt. I used to be heavy into my raves and my jungle tunes. I once had a tape in my pocket it was by "Ratty & Tango" some dark drum & bass. I pull it out at my mates while we were watchin TV. after a few seconds what ever we were watchin just stopped and a advert jus kicked in out of no-where. The advert was by Tango (soft drink) Youve been Tangoed advert. When i look on my tape by ratty and tango its title is " Youve been tangoed"

Loadsa conincedences not jus a few this happen 10 yrs ago so its kinda hard to remember. I stuck a finger at the guy on the TV. The next day i get a call on my mobile from the BBC studio the guy swears at me and puts the phone down.

10 years later i watched a program on Tv it was about the masons and one of the guys mentioned that they can control the TV Waves. They hav the technology in fact the techonolgy has existed for years we jus dont know. The goverment is around 20 years ahead of us consumers.

The freemasons are everywhere jus look at the movies we watch. The matrix, Angels & demons, Trumans show, Devils advocate. Why are the masons so interested in King solomans treasure? its not treasure that they are after its the hidden knowledge. King soloman was in charge of the three dimesional beings (jinn) He had control over them. This is what the masons do they have there rituals to invoke these illuminated beings (Jinn)

Its all about Power & Money, The devil promises all this to them in this world, but they get shafted in the next world.

I coud go on and on but i think i'll stop now. The Arrivals is the most informative documentary out its so good at showing the truth that even youtube slyly started removing parts of it or the audio.

chroma
3rd August, 2010, 02:33 AM
Lets put it this way that night i was watchin TV it was a Sat night. Its hard for me to explain but its all about coincedences. Like for e.g I would listen to a remix jungle tune "The untouchables" and i flick the channel on my TV and bam the movie untouchables is on. I have surround speakers they started to emit sound very much like a fax machine. To cut a long story short it felt like the people on the TV channel could see me thru my TV. YES thats right sounds crazy. I put my face right upto the TV set and the guy from the show would come close to the camera like we are face to face. I move back he moves back. I flick channels that day i remeber tellin my friends that did you know if you back track michael jacksons tracks there are hidden messages in his music. That night 1 of the channels was showing just that. Co-incedence after conincedence. I was awake till 5 or 6 am tryin to figure out how they were doing this. At first i thought it was jus my TV. But it wasnt. I used to be heavy into my raves and my jungle tunes. I once had a tape in my pocket it was by "Ratty & Tango" some dark drum & bass. I pull it out at my mates while we were watchin TV. after a few seconds what ever we were watchin just stopped and a advert jus kicked in out of no-where. The advert was by Tango (soft drink) Youve been Tangoed advert. When i look on my tape by ratty and tango its title is " Youve been tangoed"

Loadsa conincedences not jus a few this happen 10 yrs ago so its kinda hard to remember. I stuck a finger at the guy on the TV. The next day i get a call on my mobile from the BBC studio the guy swears at me and puts the phone down.

10 years later i watched a program on Tv it was about the masons and one of the guys mentioned that they can control the TV Waves. They hav the technology in fact the techonolgy has existed for years we jus dont know. The goverment is around 20 years ahead of us consumers.

The freemasons are everywhere jus look at the movies we watch. The matrix, Angels & demons, Trumans show, Devils advocate. Why are the masons so interested in King solomans treasure? its not treasure that they are after its the hidden knowledge. King soloman was in charge of the three dimesional beings (jinn) He had control over them. This is what the masons do they have there rituals to invoke these illuminated beings (Jinn)

Its all about Power & Money, The devil promises all this to them in this world, but they get shafted in the next world.

I coud go on and on but i think i'll stop now. The Arrivals is the most informative documentary out its so good at showing the truth that even youtube slyly started removing parts of it or the audio.

Man those must have been some kick ass disco biscuits.
If the government is so highly advanced then why does the ministry of defence insist on supplying our troops with piss poor gear?
I figure since the lions share of any RnD budget goes towards the military they could knock out hundreds of different weaponry using this so called psyop mindcontrol gear...
Seems to me that what your experienceing is what Jung refered to as Synchronicity.

As for masons controlling the world :roflmao: if controlling the world is as easy as drinking beer like a frat house, performing a few traditional rituals and holding discussions with a few mates then the world is in really bad shape.

As an aside the only thing i could find on tv mind control is:
YouTube - Bjork TV
shit seems legit :roflmao:

irfy
3rd August, 2010, 02:35 PM
Man those must have been some kick ass disco biscuits.
If the government is so highly advanced then why does the ministry of defence insist on supplying our troops with piss poor gear?
I figure since the lions share of any RnD budget goes towards the military they could knock out hundreds of different weaponry using this so called psyop mindcontrol gear...
Seems to me that what your experienceing is what Jung refered to as Synchronicity.

As for masons controlling the world :roflmao: if controlling the world is as easy as drinking beer like a frat house, performing a few traditional rituals and holding discussions with a few mates then the world is in really bad shape.

As an aside the only thing i could find on tv mind control is:
YouTube - Bjork TV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d4rdat3HdA)
shit seems legit :roflmao:

Control in many different ways. Firstly the Media, TV, Radio, bill boards everything we see and hear everyday even the buses with the big posters plastered on the side. Freemasons have infiltrated everything over the centuries. Yes even disco biscuits i reckon if you add LSD or some chemical which enters your system then later on it can be used for mind control. do you remember when we were all young at one point we were all made to have injections at school. Who knows what was in em.

LSD was trialled on troops many times, google it.

Did you know Bush is related to Obama, watch the Arrivals mate and now theres a new one Arrivals reloaded check youtube. I know what there upto they are waiting for there Messiah. I mean if these people beilieve in it so much and are willing to sacrifice lives and they believe there god is lucifer. Surely if Lucifer exists then God must exist. The people at the top they dont care about our troops we are all part of the pyramid.

Its the battle between good and evil it always has been since the begining of time.

Alistair Crowley known to be Evil in many ways. HE is related to bush. They interbreed to keep all the power in the family.

The world thought David Icke was insane. Years later now you see what people think of him he's not crazy anymore.

UFo's do exist goverments been building them for years now. They will most likely use this in there next BIG LIE. Oh my gosh the aliens are here lets all turn to the 1 super power AMERICA.

just like the movie independence day. All countries become 1 and that my friends is the New World Order.

Im gonna stop now its a touchy subject ive been at it for years and i know the truth. Do YOU???

Please as 1 human to another we are all the same we all have a heart i believe in peace love and unity. All i ask is watch "The arrivals" with a open mind and heart. It gets very very interesting towards the end.

To all freemasons reading this it might look like ur winning now and yes ur messiah will come soon but he is the false messiah and will be defeated. Its never too late to repent

Peace out

nara
3rd August, 2010, 03:32 PM
The world thought David Icke was insane. Years later now you see what people think of him he's not crazy anymore.



No. Still crazy, I'm afraid.

Seriously though, it must be hellish living your life in fear and suspicion, crouched at your keyboard.

There's a wonderful world out there.

Get out and smell the roses.

irfy
3rd August, 2010, 04:08 PM
No. Still crazy, I'm afraid.

Seriously though, it must be hellish living your life in fear and suspicion, crouched at your keyboard.

There's a wonderful world out there.

Get out and smell the roses.

I dont live in fear anymore, I hav 3 wonderful children in my life now. I have learnt to fear only the creator and not the created.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Herbie
3rd August, 2010, 06:43 PM
Irfy welcome to planet Earth, here we view things a little different
David Icke = Nutz
Freemason's = a bunch of harmless guys with a funny handshake

a911
3rd August, 2010, 08:27 PM
I dont live in fear anymore, I hav 3 wonderful children in my life now. I have learnt to fear only the creator and not the created.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Thank U, will put!

a911
3rd August, 2010, 08:31 PM
Irfy welcome to planet Earth, here we view things a little different
David Icke = Nutz
Freemason's = a bunch of harmless guys with a funny handshake

No m8,,,they are not "a bunch of harmless guys with a funny handshake"

they are powerful and control the media and banks!

thered
3rd August, 2010, 08:47 PM
if all the crap about freemasons and the illuminati bloodlines ect taking over the world is true

all i can say is they are pretty ~~~~in 5hite at creating a NWO after all they have been doing it since the mayan times

give it another 20.000 years we may be a bit closer to there goal these guys can really shift

and shape shift too

TheJackel
4th August, 2010, 02:24 AM
No. Still crazy, I'm afraid.

Seriously though, it must be hellish living your life in fear and suspicion, crouched at your keyboard.

There's a wonderful world out there.

Get out and smell the roses.
Same old same old any proof old man or just another sweeping statement, lol.

z786
4th August, 2010, 04:54 PM
here we view things a little different


maybe you, not evry1
if you can watch all of the arrivals, and i mean ALL of it
then come back and tell me me how you view things then

iv shown it 2 the most stubborn of people and they soon change their mind

"the people plugged into the system will fight to protect it, in fear of finding out what really is going on"

might burst your little bubble mate

nara
4th August, 2010, 05:03 PM
Same old same old any proof old man or just another sweeping statement, lol.

I need to prove that David Icke is crazy? :giveup:


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

chroma
4th August, 2010, 05:07 PM
To all freemasons reading this it might look like ur winning now and yes ur messiah will come soon but he is the false messiah and will be defeated. Its never too late to repent

Wait what?
Your views are closeminded, paranoid and entirely unfounded in this instance.

In my lodge i stand proudly side by side with Christians, Jews, Muslims. Its entirely NON-DENOMINATIONAL, in fact i dont ever remember religion ever being discussed in an actual meeting. Theres absoloutly no worship towards any "Messiah" in fact if there where it would cause more harm than good, simply down to the fact that what one man views as a messiah will and should widely differ from anothers.

Ah but wait they do crazy satanic rituals right?..
Wrong.
Sure we perform ritual dramas, but these have absoloutly nothing to do with religion, theyre merely allegorys filled with symbolism, they're there to teach and instruct in a memorable way. They impart ethics and morals on how men should act towards each other and instill discipline. Religion can deal with how men relate to some "god" masonry should not and does not.

Simply put, freemasonry is nothing more than a frat house that keeps minuites and holds dramas geared towards teaching some sorely needed morals and ethics that definately seem lacking in todays society.

As for being secretive, freemasons generaly aint, any freemason worth his salt will openly let you know hes one, the only part he will keep secret is the specific goings on in his lodge. You want to know what the exact outline of our rituals and ceremonies are? your more than welcome to join in the fun with us.
Secret handshakes? symbols? this is just to let one mason let another mason know that hes been inducted and can take part in another lodge without fear of letting the tradition down.
Traditions are an antiquated things nowadays, noone seems to abide by them any more which is a great shame, every man in the navy for instance knew he was part of a brotherhood by sharing a tot with them over dinner, once that got changed in july 31st 1970 the Navy changed, most would say for the worst. This is one of a number of reasons we keep ours secluded from the larger world, tradition brings a sense of unity and thats something that runs deep in a mason.

If standing side by side with people from all walks of life with all kinds of beliefs and not feeling the need to stab them because "my god is better than your god" is wrong, then so be it, i dont think i would want to be right.

Im happy standing in my lodge beside to my fellow man and knowing without a shadow of doubt that my belief is just as valid as his, not moreso, not less. I respect him enough to let him practice his religion in whichever way suits him best, knowing he has the same respect for me.
Any discussions surrounding his or mine should and will be kept outside the lodge where it wont bring the detriment of religious practices into events.

Exactly the same can be said of sexual orientation and political beliefs.

flyingpig
4th August, 2010, 11:05 PM
There are people who are members of the Masonic order on here, they will undoubtledly be members of other chapters as well, and they will have gone through the chair, and those on the outside, do not understand that it really is a bunch of men, who like to get together and do something together.... No where would they want to take over the world.

As someone said earlier, they have been around for 1000's of years, and they are still defo no nearer, you may as well be worried about the Monster Raving Loony party taking over, or, they are just a bunch of men who get together, have a few drinks, and a meal --- and some ritualistic stuff.

If you want to find out --- go and join. Most lodges are crying out for members.

irfy
4th August, 2010, 11:29 PM
Wait what?
Your views are closeminded, paranoid and entirely unfounded in this instance.

In my lodge i stand proudly side by side with Christians, Jews, Muslims. Its entirely NON-DENOMINATIONAL, in fact i dont ever remember religion ever being discussed in an actual meeting. Theres absoloutly no worship towards any "Messiah" in fact if there where it would cause more harm than good, simply down to the fact that what one man views as a messiah will and should widely differ from anothers.

Ah but wait they do crazy satanic rituals right?..
Wrong.
Sure we perform ritual dramas, but these have absoloutly nothing to do with religion, theyre merely allegorys filled with symbolism, they're there to teach and instruct in a memorable way. They impart ethics and morals on how men should act towards each other and instill discipline. Religion can deal with how men relate to some "god" masonry should not and does not.

Simply put, freemasonry is nothing more than a frat house that keeps minuites and holds dramas geared towards teaching some sorely needed morals and ethics that definately seem lacking in todays society.

As for being secretive, freemasons generaly aint, any freemason worth his salt will openly let you know hes one, the only part he will keep secret is the specific goings on in his lodge. You want to know what the exact outline of our rituals and ceremonies are? your more than welcome to join in the fun with us.
Secret handshakes? symbols? this is just to let one mason let another mason know that hes been inducted and can take part in another lodge without fear of letting the tradition down.
Traditions are an antiquated things nowadays, noone seems to abide by them any more which is a great shame, every man in the navy for instance knew he was part of a brotherhood by sharing a tot with them over dinner, once that got changed in july 31st 1970 the Navy changed, most would say for the worst. This is one of a number of reasons we keep ours secluded from the larger world, tradition brings a sense of unity and thats something that runs deep in a mason.

If standing side by side with people from all walks of life with all kinds of beliefs and not feeling the need to stab them because "my god is better than your god" is wrong, then so be it, i dont think i would want to be right.

Im happy standing in my lodge beside to my fellow man and knowing without a shadow of doubt that my belief is just as valid as his, not moreso, not less. I respect him enough to let him practice his religion in whichever way suits him best, knowing he has the same respect for me.
Any discussions surrounding his or mine should and will be kept outside the lodge where it wont bring the detriment of religious practices into events.

Exactly the same can be said of sexual orientation and political beliefs.

For the love of god just check and read this link:

Aleister Crowley EXPOSED! (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/aleister_crowley.htm)

There are levels of free masonary you obviously sit somewhere near the bottom. If your practises are anywhere near what his are like then there's something very very wrong.

Just think carrying on the BEASTS legacy :rock:

I do have respect for other religions but seriously do you call freemasonary a religion??

z786
4th August, 2010, 11:38 PM
freemasons/illuminati indoctrinate people thru mass media
can you tell me the significance of the number 9-11 in freemasonry?
wait no, the "terrorists" blew up 2 buildings then
no wait, what americaa emergency number?
maybe jay-z can explain why his album was released on 9-11?

this is when he joined, listen 2 the lyrics carefully
YouTube - Jay-Z - D'Evils

also @ chroma, you definately aint a 33rd degree yet, or you are and are acting dumb

z786
4th August, 2010, 11:43 PM
also, true, they have been around for thousands of years
slowly paving the way for their messiah or "the great architect"

now that israel is created, they are securing the borders
the false messiah has 2 imitate the real 1, so he has to be appointed in the same place

soon the time will come and you will see

they have killed religion, they have tarnished the name of Islam

so now the new world order is nearing completion
and it being a secular godless 1, im sure you will have a great time

red pill or blue?

irfy
4th August, 2010, 11:58 PM
There are people who are members of the Masonic order on here, they will undoubtledly be members of other chapters as well, and they will have gone through the chair, and those on the outside, do not understand that it really is a bunch of men, who like to get together and do something together.... No where would they want to take over the world.

As someone said earlier, they have been around for 1000's of years, and they are still defo no nearer, you may as well be worried about the Monster Raving Loony party taking over, or, they are just a bunch of men who get together, have a few drinks, and a meal --- and some ritualistic stuff.

If you want to find out --- go and join. Most lodges are crying out for members.

Ummm we are in a global crysis ummmm WHY? The bankers!! umm war on Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, lots of others.. ummm why are our troops there?? umm to secure the promised land.. ummmm WHY? for the false messiah. Ummm how will we know he's the false one.... umm he will have 1 eye and 1 groping eye....

They are preparing the world for his arrival (meaning spreading terror, disease, war, Lies, thru the media which they control)
They used Bush who by the way is directly related to Mr Aleister Crowley, then they shove a new face into the picture Mr Obama who by the way is related to the Bush wackers anyway. They killed the lovely Princess Diana she was gona marry out of the blood line. Ooooh and they take genetics VERY seriously.

Cryin out for members !! NO thanx id rather play ping pong

List of some freemasons (lot more not listed)


US-PRESIDENTS: Obama, Bush wackers, George Washington, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, James Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, James Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Warren G. Harding, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson, Gerald R. Ford.

POLITICAL LEADERS WORLD WIDE: Winston Churchill, Simon Bolivar, Edmund Burke, Benito Juarez, Edward VII, Geroge VI, Bernardo O'Higgins, Jos? de San Martin, Francisco de Paula Santander, Jos? Rizal, Jos? Marti, Pandit Nehru, Lajos Kossuth, Jonas Furrer, Guiseppe Mazzini, Eduard Benes, John A. MacDonald, Aaron Burr, George McGovern, Barry Goldwater, Estes Kefauer, Thomas E. Dewey, Alf Landon, Hubert H. Humphrey, Wendel Wilke, W.E.B. DuBois, William Jennings Bryant, King Hussein of Jordan, Yasser Arafat, Francois Mitterand, Helmut Kohl, Gerhard Shroeder, Tony Blair, Yikzak Rabbin, Cecil Rhodes, Sir John J.C. Abbott, Stephen F. Austin, John G. Diefenbaker, Samuel J. Ervin Jr. (Watergate committee), Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Patrick Henry, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sam Nunn, Lowell Thomas (brough Lawrence of Arabia to pub. not.), Gov. George C. Wallace, Strom Thurman, Jesse Helms, Robert Dole, Jack Kemp, Al Gore, Prince Phillip (GB), Zbigniew Brzezinski, Lord Peter Carrington, Andrew Carnegie, W. Averell Harriman, Henry Kissinger, Richard D. Heideman, Robert McNamara.

MILITARY LEADERS: Omar Bradley, John J. Pershing, Douglas McArthur, General Winfield Scott, Captain Eddie Rickenbacker, Jimmy Doolittle, General Mark Clarkem General George C. Marshall, General Henry "Hap" Arnold, John Paul Jones, Afred von Tirpitz (submarine warfare)

ARTISTS AND ENTERTAINERS: W.A. Mozart, Leopold Mozart, Ludwig van Beethoven, Jean Sibelius, Franz Liszt, Josef Haydn, Irving Berlin, Gutzon Borglum, Charles Peale, Alfons M. Mucha, Richard Wagner, John Philip Sousa, Gilbert & Sullivan, George Gershwin, George M. Cohen, Count Basie, Louise Armstrong, Nat King Cole, Giacomo Meyerbeer, Sigmund Romberg, John Wayne, Red Skelton, Clarke Gable, W.C. Fields, Will Rogers, Burl Ives, Roy Rogers, Danny Thomas, Ernest Borgnine, Oliver Hardy, Tom Mix, Audie Murphy, Gene Autry, Wallace Beery, Eddie Cantor, Roy Clarke, George M. Cohan, Walt Disney, Duke Ellington, Douglas Fairbanks, Leonardo da Vinci, Arthur Godfrey, Bob Hope, Harry Houdini, Al Jolson, Elmo Lincoln (Tarzan), Harold C. Lloyd,.jr, Tom Mix, Ronald Reagan, Will Rogers, Peter Sellers, William Shakespeare, Charles "Tom Thumb" Stratton, Paul Whiteman (King of Jazz), William Wyler (dir. of Ben Hur), Cecil B. DeMille, Sir Arthur Sullivan, John Zoffany.

MOVIE INDUSTRY: Jack Warner, Louise B. Mayer (MGM), Darryl F. Zanuck (20th Century Fox)

INDUSTRY, TRADE, BANKING AND LABOR: Henry Ford, Samuel Gompers, Walter P. Chrysler, John Wanamaker, S.S. Kresge, J.C. Penney, John Jacob Astor, John L. Lewis, Pehr G. Gyllenhammar (Volvo), Percy Barnevik (ABB), Andr? Citro?n, Samuel Colt (Colt revolver), Edwin L. Drake (oil), Rockefeller family, Rothschild family, King C. Gillette (Razors), Charles C. Hilton (Hilton hotels), Sir Thomas Lipton (Tea), Harry S. New (Airmail), Ransom E. Olds (Oldsmobile), David Sarnoff (father of TV), John W. Teets, Dave Thomas (Wendy's Rest.), Edgar Bronfman Jr. (Seagram Whiskey), Rich DeVos (Amway), Alan Greenspan (Fed. Reserve), Giovanni Agnelli (FIAT), Peter Wallenberg (SE-Bank Sweden)

ADVENTURERS: Lewis & Clarke, Charles A. Lindbergh, Kit Carson, Roald Amundsen, Admiral Richard Byrd, Commodore Robert Peary, Kit Carson, Casanova, William "Buffalo Bill" Cody, Davy Crockett, Meriwether Lewis, Robert E. Peary (Northpole)

PHILOSOPHERS: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Gotthold E. Lessing, Voltaire

ASTRONAUTS: Buzz Aldrin, Leroy Gordon Cooper, Donn Eisele, Virgil I. Grissom, Edgar D. Mitchell, Walter Schirra Jr., Thomas P. Stafford, Paul Weitz, James Irvin, John Glenn

WRITERS: Mark Twain, Sir Walter Scott, Rudyard Kipling, Robert Burns, Wassily I. Maikow, Heinrich Heine, Jean P.C. de Florian, Leopoldo Lugoner, Antonio de Castro Alves, James Boswell, Alexander Pushkin, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Jonathan Swift, Oscar Wilde, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, Robert Burns, Carlo Collodi (Pinoccio), Edward Gibbon, Francis Scott Key (US NAtional Anthem), Rudyard Kipling, Felix Salten (Bambi), Lewis Wallace (Ben Hur), Alexander Pope

MEDICINE: Alexander Fleming (Penicillin), Jules Bordet, Antoine DePage, Edward Jenner, Charles & William Mayo, Karl & William Menninger, Karl A. Menninger (psychiatrist), Andrew T. Still (Osteopathy)

SCIENCE: Carl Sagan, Hans C. Orsted, J.J Frk. von Berzelius, Alfred Edmund Brehms, Luther Burbank, Johan Ernst Gunnerus, Albert Abraham Michelson (measured speed of light), Gaspard Monge, C.F.S. Hahnemann, Pedro N. Arata, Alexandre Gustave Eiffel, Jame Smithson, John Fitch (Steamboats), Joseph Ignance Guillotin (inventor of the Guillotin), Edward Jenner (vaccin), Simon Lake (submarine), Franz Anton Mesmer (Hypnotism), Albert Einstein, A.J. Sax (saxophone)

LAW: Henry Baldwin, Hugo L. Black, John Blair Jr., Samuel Blatchford, Harold H. Burton, James F. Byrnes, John Catton, Thomas C. Clarke, John H. Clarke, William Cushing, Willis van Devanter, William O. Douglas, Oliver Ellsworth, Stephen J. Field, John M. Harlan, RObert H. Jackson, Joseph E. Lamar, Thurgood Marshall, Stanley Matthews, Sherman Minton, Tom Mix, William H. Moody, Samuel Nelson, William Paterson, Mahlon Pitney, Stanley F. Reed, Wiley B. Rutledge, Potter Stewart, Noah H. Swayne, Thomas Todd, Robert Trimble, Frederick M. Vinson, Earl Warren, Levi Woodbury, William B. Woods

OTHERS: Frederic A. Bartholdi (designed the Staue of Liberty), Daniel Carter Beard (founder of Boy Scouts), Cornelius Hedges (Yellowstone Nat.Park), James Hoban (architect U.S Captial), James Naismith (basketball), Paul Revere (famous American), Rupert Murdoch (media mogul)

EDUCATION: Robert E.B. Baylor, Leland Stanford (Railroads & Stanford University)

RELIGIOUS LEADERS: Father Francisco Calvo (Jesuit Cat. Priest), Geoffrey Fisher (Canterbury), Billy Graham, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Joseph Fort Newton, Robert Shuller, Oral Roberts, Louise Farrahkan (Nation of Islam), G. Bromley Oxman (friend of Billy Graham), Joseph Smith (Mormon cult), Hyrum Smith (Brother), Brigham Young (2nd leader of Mormon cult), Sidney Rigdon (early Mormon), Heber C. Kimball, Spencer Kimball, Aleister Crowley (Satanist), Gerald B. Gardner (Wiccan), Wynn Westcott (Golden Dawn)

ORGANIZATIONS: Jean Henry Dunant (Red Cross), Melvin Jones (Lions Int.), Giuseppe Mazzini (Ital. Illuminati leader), Albert Pike (Ku Klux Klan)

INTELLIGENCE: J. Edgar Hoover, William Casey

A lot of popstars: Madonna head mistress of em all

MYTO8
5th August, 2010, 12:27 AM
Wait what?
Your views are close minded, paranoid and entirely unfounded in this instance.

In my lodge i stand proudly side by side with Christians, Jews, Muslims. Its entirely NON-DENOMINATIONAL, in fact i don't ever remember religion ever being discussed in an actual meeting. Theres absolutely no worship toward any "Messiah" in fact if there where it would cause more harm than good, simply down to the fact that what one man views as a messiah will and should widely differ from another's.

Ah but wait they do crazy satanic rituals right?..
Wrong.
Sure we perform ritual dramas, but these have absolutely nothing to do with religion, they're merely allegorys filled with symbolism, they're there to teach and instruct in a memorable way. They impart ethics and morals on how men should act towards each other and instill discipline. Religion can deal with how men relate to some "god" masonry should not and does not.

Simply put, freemasonry is nothing more than a frat house that keeps minuites and holds dramas geared towards teaching some sorely needed morals and ethics that definately seem lacking in todays society.

As for being secretive, freemasons generaly aint, any freemason worth his salt will openly let you know hes one, the only part he will keep secret is the specific goings on in his lodge. You want to know what the exact outline of our rituals and ceremonies are? your more than welcome to join in the fun with us.
Secret handshakes? symbols? this is just to let one mason let another mason know that hes been inducted and can take part in another lodge without fear of letting the tradition down.
Traditions are an antiquated things nowadays, noone seems to abide by them any more which is a great shame, every man in the navy for instance knew he was part of a brotherhood by sharing a tot with them over dinner, once that got changed in july 31st 1970 the Navy changed, most would say for the worst. This is one of a number of reasons we keep ours secluded from the larger world, tradition brings a sense of unity and thats something that runs deep in a mason.

If standing side by side with people from all walks of life with all kinds of beliefs and not feeling the need to stab them because "my god is better than your god" is wrong, then so be it, i dont think i would want to be right.

Im happy standing in my lodge beside to my fellow man and knowing without a shadow of doubt that my belief is just as valid as his, not moreso, not less. I respect him enough to let him practice his religion in whichever way suits him best, knowing he has the same respect for me.
Any discussions surrounding his or mine should and will be kept outside the lodge where it wont bring the detriment of religious practices into events.

Exactly the same can be said of sexual orientation and political beliefs.

I agree with that.

I am of a person who is not bothered by a persons beilef religion sexuality its there choice as long as they dont impose it on myself im happy.

I think the Irfy z786 are confusing to host of these apparent brain washing subliminal message are actually a diversion as those are transmitted by the catholic church. If Quoting movies that have apparent connection well Ive seen the divinci code....
Movies are from the mind of the creator maybe they use there beliefs to channel thoughts of the viewer.

I believe that religion is the worst thing to happen to Christianity. There has been fighting in the name of religion for thousands of years. And it is the narrow mindedness in which is created with in a particular religion is where it goes wrong with "mines right , your wrong" mentality which it creates.

I often believe society creates paranoia and over analysis due to the stress created by life and technology created today. I remember 20 yrs ago before the mass spread of INTERNET, There wasn't the fear of complete financial ruin a Nigerian or a virus stealing your identity and bank details and cleaning it out with the stroke of a key . There wasn't a fear of pedophiles grooming your children on chat forums, nor psychological cyber bullying of a Child/person on the net from a person on other side of world in which shatters them mentally and emotionally to the point of suicide.

But these days there is someone always monitoring your life without your conscious knowledge eg internet, credit cards mobile phones all allow a persons movements and location to be tracked to a pinpoint second whilst embracing this technology. It is a fact of life in the 21st century

As for 9-11 we only have what is created by the media to go on Ive seen a few documentaries on the tv and net about possible conspiracy theories which do you believe it all comes back to finger pointing. It may well have been the us or world government creating a excuse to create a attack on a country so it can control the world greatest commodity oil. At the end of the day everyone has there beilefs and theories how ever misguided by oppinion it maybe, as long as there is life there will be conflict.

We all need to cherish our loved ones also become more tolerante of others and the world has a chance to survive what the world has become.

z786
5th August, 2010, 12:42 AM
mate, jus watch the arrivals and then tell me whos confused

heres a taster

YouTube- The Arrivals pt.25/51 (The Antichrist Dajjal is Here).

nara
5th August, 2010, 01:01 AM
I believe that religion is the worst thing to happen to Christianity.


Did you really mean to say that?

chroma
5th August, 2010, 03:56 AM
For the love of god just check and read this link:

Aleister Crowley EXPOSED! (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/aleister_crowley.htm)

There are levels of free masonary you obviously sit somewhere near the bottom. If your practises are anywhere near what his are like then there's something very very wrong.

Just think carrying on the BEASTS legacy :rock:

I do have respect for other religions but seriously do you call freemasonary a religion??

Didnt read the link you posted, didnt really have to as a little cross referencing on David J. Stewart instantly brought up all maner of things, put simply the guy is a headcase and anything he prints should be taken with bus tonnage of salt.

Hes even been indicted in 2009 for sex with a minor, not someone i would consider credible by any sense of the word.

"but seriously do you call freemasonary a religion"
Most definately NOT reread my post and you'll see that i stated a number of times that freemasonry has almost nothing to do with religion, in fact the only time the topic is ever brought up is during induction.

I find it more and more amusing that people insist on quoting people without doing any kind of due dilligence on the people they quote from. To reitterate if an icelandic poet tells you a TV can control your mind does this make it true or even remotely credible?

As for old Al Crowley, his ties to freemasonry are tenuous at best, hes never been a recognised member never mind "initiated to the highest levels" any so called lodges he attended have never been officialy recognised by the masons and if you read back you'll easily find that freemasons of the time where highly vocal about this, we keep meticulous records and archives that date back centuries and can easily tell who is, was and was not a freemason.

If your really interested in Alister Crowley though i suggest you check out "The great beast" by John Symonds, after Al died he left everything to the man, regardless of how highly critical John had became towards his practices, its by far the best autobiography ive read on the man, although it does tend to be a little hostile and biased towards him.

The author actualy knew the man, and unlike the crackpot you resourced isnt a registered sex offender living in Guam.
He knew the man, was set as the executor of his Last Will and Testements (not that there was much in the way of estate as Al died bankrupt) and knew enough to know that Alister was very simmilar to Marilyn Manson, ie: all facepaint, misdirection and bluster. An easy target for all the worlds sins. Not unlike Ozzy Ozbourne back in the day.

Unlike Marilyn and Ozzy however Al peaked in an era where anything that didnt strictly conform to social norms was shunned and sensationalised, an easy target for the rampant rumour mill. Either of his modern day counterparts would have been equaly made a spectacle of in the 1920s, hell even in modern day the rumours surrounding all three are insurmountable they all made a great livings from rumours, fantasy and misdirection.
Rumour and fingerpointing no more makes Brian Warner responsible for Columbine than they make Edward Crowley the devil incarnate.

As for the list of masons LMAO Obama? thats pure rumour and if you do some homework you'll find it originates from another nutcase. Namely Leo Young (aka Leo Zagami) hardly a reputable source.
Whilst there are a fair few on the list that are accurate, theyre hardly mindblowing, take Lyndon B Johnson, he WAS a mason, only an entered apprentice however so hes hardly part of this major "inner circle of world controlling puppet masters" dont you think if the masons had any real desire in manipulating world affairs they would make sure a US president was up there in the ranks?

As for earning the 33rd degree... do you have any concept of just how hard a task obtaining the Scottish Rite actualy is? theyre not just handed out overnight, it takes decades of work and effort to achieve, you need to be a Master Mason for starers just to be elegible and then obtain serious reputation amongst your community and indeed your masonic peerage.

Georgie boy Bush??? come on! seriously? Certainly not a mason. Its only been speculated on due to his inauguration ceremony where he planted his hand on the same bible that was used to inaugurate Washington (who was actualy a mason) This places Georgie in the same category as an entire list of presidents who had no masonic ties.

Some due dilligence on your part would be welcome here, i mean copying and pasting any old list without cross referencing is absurd, if you wish to post a resource by all means do so, but atleast have the gumption to do a little fact checking beforehand. A simple google for instance turns up almost instantly that of all the presidents of the US only 14 of them had any ties to masonry.

I find these "arrivals" foilhatters to be absurd, ooooh nooo people r be controlan mah mind! its easy to see exactly why this would be so easy, the tinfoil hat brigade never seem to be able to do any kind of real homework outside of dubious irreputable postings where as normal people who can actualy operate a browser and use that old arcane thing called a library can actualy see the huge gaping plotholes in these proposed crackpot theories.

z786
5th August, 2010, 12:48 PM
would you care to explain the potholes?

irfy
5th August, 2010, 02:21 PM
Didnt read the link you posted, didnt really have to as a little cross referencing on David J. Stewart instantly brought up all maner of things, put simply the guy is a headcase and anything he prints should be taken with bus tonnage of salt.

Hes even been indicted in 2009 for sex with a minor, not someone i would consider credible by any sense of the word.

"but seriously do you call freemasonary a religion"
Most definately NOT reread my post and you'll see that i stated a number of times that freemasonry has almost nothing to do with religion, in fact the only time the topic is ever brought up is during induction.

I find it more and more amusing that people insist on quoting people without doing any kind of due dilligence on the people they quote from. To reitterate if an icelandic poet tells you a TV can control your mind does this make it true or even remotely credible?

As for old Al Crowley, his ties to freemasonry are tenuous at best, hes never been a recognised member never mind "initiated to the highest levels" any so called lodges he attended have never been officialy recognised by the masons and if you read back you'll easily find that freemasons of the time where highly vocal about this, we keep meticulous records and archives that date back centuries and can easily tell who is, was and was not a freemason.

If your really interested in Alister Crowley though i suggest you check out "The great beast" by John Symonds, after Al died he left everything to the man, regardless of how highly critical John had became towards his practices, its by far the best autobiography ive read on the man, although it does tend to be a little hostile and biased towards him.

The author actualy knew the man, and unlike the crackpot you resourced isnt a registered sex offender living in Guam.
He knew the man, was set as the executor of his Last Will and Testements (not that there was much in the way of estate as Al died bankrupt) and knew enough to know that Alister was very simmilar to Marilyn Manson, ie: all facepaint, misdirection and bluster. An easy target for all the worlds sins. Not unlike Ozzy Ozbourne back in the day.

Unlike Marilyn and Ozzy however Al peaked in an era where anything that didnt strictly conform to social norms was shunned and sensationalised, an easy target for the rampant rumour mill. Either of his modern day counterparts would have been equaly made a spectacle of in the 1920s, hell even in modern day the rumours surrounding all three are insurmountable they all made a great livings from rumours, fantasy and misdirection.
Rumour and fingerpointing no more makes Brian Warner responsible for Columbine than they make Edward Crowley the devil incarnate.

As for the list of masons LMAO Obama? thats pure rumour and if you do some homework you'll find it originates from another nutcase. Namely Leo Young (aka Leo Zagami) hardly a reputable source.
Whilst there are a fair few on the list that are accurate, theyre hardly mindblowing, take Lyndon B Johnson, he WAS a mason, only an entered apprentice however so hes hardly part of this major "inner circle of world controlling puppet masters" dont you think if the masons had any real desire in manipulating world affairs they would make sure a US president was up there in the ranks?

As for earning the 33rd degree... do you have any concept of just how hard a task obtaining the Scottish Rite actualy is? theyre not just handed out overnight, it takes decades of work and effort to achieve, you need to be a Master Mason for starers just to be elegible and then obtain serious reputation amongst your community and indeed your masonic peerage.

Georgie boy Bush??? come on! seriously? Certainly not a mason. Its only been speculated on due to his inauguration ceremony where he planted his hand on the same bible that was used to inaugurate Washington (who was actualy a mason) This places Georgie in the same category as an entire list of presidents who had no masonic ties.

Some due dilligence on your part would be welcome here, i mean copying and pasting any old list without cross referencing is absurd, if you wish to post a resource by all means do so, but atleast have the gumption to do a little fact checking beforehand. A simple google for instance turns up almost instantly that of all the presidents of the US only 14 of them had any ties to masonry.
gre
I find these "arrivals" foilhatters to be absurd, ooooh nooo people r be controlan mah mind! its easy to see exactly why this would be so easy, the tinfoil hat brigade never seem to be able to do any kind of real homework outside of dubious irreputable postings where as normal people who can actualy operate a browser and use that old arcane thing called a library can actualy see the huge gaping plotholes in these proposed crackpot theories.

I had 1st hand experience with the Elite, I didnt ask for it nor did i want to join them. They used a spirit (Jinn) on me to aid there proposal. Im not a crackpot nor are the hundreds of thousands of americans that believe 911 was a inside job.
700+ structural engineers demanding the truth there not crackpots surely.

Power, Money and Fame all in exchange for my soul. The only homework i did for the last 10 years is to find out why me. Im a nobody, nothin i could possibly offer. "The arrivals" unravelled most of the mystery for me.

It doesnt take a genious or even a web browser to see that there something terribly wrong in the world right now.

Problem is theres to many people that believe " DO WHAT THOU WILST " this is what blinds you from the truth the invisible veil over your eyes. I know! ive been there done it.

Not anymore tho when i realised the elite do lucifers job leading the people astray. Its obvious the devil does exist, The elite, Zionists, freemasons all followers of the Kuabala in some shape or form are paving the way for the anti-christ.

Not to mention my little run in with the spirit (jinn) since then my hairs gone mostly white.

I know without a shadow of a doubt whats goin on i believe in the untouched original bible the taurah & the noble quraan. All which warn against the anti christ.

God exists he loves us, his creation we just need to have the thirst to find him. When you do you will feel the true inner peace. You will enjoy doing good and enjoining others.

Peace out

chroma
5th August, 2010, 04:06 PM
would you care to explain the potholes?
Ive been doing so, all throughout this thread. In this case its more like a father telling a son; "Don't play with fire, its hot." Until the kid actualy sticks his hand into a fire and gets burned he never really understands.

Much the same as Philosophy students are told at the begining of the course to find the truth for themselves and to rely on their own critical thinking over any text.

Take one of Zenos dichotomies, he interpreted a race between Achillies and a tortoise thusly:

If Achillies gives a tortoise a 100m head start, and then they both begin the race at a constant velocity (achillies being the faster of the two) before he can overtake the tortoise he must make it half way to 100m.
By the time hes made it to 50m the tortoise has also moved forward meaning before Achillies can overtake it this time he must cover half of this new disance, by the time hes made it to that distance he must cover half of the new distance ad infinitum.

This means that Achillies must travel an infinate number of steps just to catch up to the tortoise and can therefore never logicaly overtake it and win the race regardless of how fast Achillies runs.

This is of course a simple paradox and the fallacy is easily spotted by thinking criticaly about the problem, but they do get more and more complex. If a student is incapable or too lazy to think for themselves its easy to fall into the trap of believing that just because a poolball is red then all ravens must be black.

Take the axiom "All ravens are black"
Then by inducting logic you can easily infer that "All non black things are non ravens"

In purest logic this simply states that if X = Y then -Y = -X is also logicaly true.

Taking it further you can state that "My pet raven is indeed black"
Which supports the hypothesis that all ravens are black.
Just as you can state "Look this red (thus not black) thing is a poolball(thus non raven)
So by logical inference and induction just by seeing that a poolball is red you can logicaly prove that all ravens are black.

Its simple wordplay which is nothing more than these conspiricy theories proclaim, notice the heavy use of inductive logic and inferance throughout the entire work?
This is good because it actively engages the audience and makes them think inside the terms of these logical fallacies.
The viewer feels like hes drawing his own conclusions yet hes not actualy thinking criticaly about the situation or subject whatsoever.

But because the viewer has done the work inside a limited framework he can easily draw the conclusion (no matter how absurd) that hes happened upon the truth.

The only way to accurate truth is by really thinking out the problems proposed, rewatch the drivel by all means and every so often pick it apart piece by piece and question not only the validity of a statement proposed but also ask WHY your being told it to begin with. What particular use does each statement provide?
Could it perhaps to be to guide your thought process and place you inside a logical fallacy? More often than not this happens to be the case.

You dont need to be a genius or have any familiarity with philosophy or sociology to see that what your being told doesnt always add up. Add to this that throughout the garbage are carefully inserted statements of truth to further muddy the waters making decyphering exactly whats being proposed even more difficult.

Most people however are sheep and dont take the time out to actualy question whats being shown or told to them and are therefore easily misdirected into presuming assumptions to be concrete truths.

So i suggest people start playing with fire and figure out the truth for themselves, someone spoonfeeding it to you seldom cuts it.

z786
5th August, 2010, 06:27 PM
@chroma
have u actually seen all of the arivals?

i came across some interestin t-shirts in the next directory 2day, care 2 see?

see at the top of the t-shirt on this 1
Buy Grey Print T-Shirt from the Next UK online shop (http://www.next.co.uk/shopping/men/casualwear/23/6?extra=sch&n=men&pid=743-988)

this 1 is more obvious
Buy Brown Print T-Shirt from the Next UK online shop (http://www.next.co.uk/shopping/men/casualwear/23/2?extra=sch&n=men&pid=738-254)

nara
5th August, 2010, 07:19 PM
@chroma
have u actually seen all of the arivals?



You keep asking people that question, as if somehow it's going to convince anybody who watches it.

It's fifth-rate nonsense.

racin-snake
5th August, 2010, 07:24 PM
You keep asking people that question, as if somehow it's going to convince anybody who watches it.

It's fifth-rate nonsense.
there is in fact a lot of this type of symbolism all over the place
in music the media in general.
your defence is quite adamant .....then my friend who's spoon feeding you this shit ?

but i have to ask ... do you really know what it takes to become a 33rd degree mason?

my answer to you is .. you will never know
you are the lower echelon of the power ..so inevitably you are the ground troops
the upper echelon will never reveal to you the true agenda
do you think this is odd?
secret society's are secretive for a reason
secrecy hides the true agenda
do you think that people in power are influenced by there own conscience and good will
nope ...again a subtle note when people in power are involved in secret society's there will always be the stigma and therefore will never be above the assumption they are doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason
IE tony blair 33rd degree mason walked blindly into iraq following the assumption of weapons of mass destruction
there was none
also secret society's are exactly what the are pre ported to be
SECRET and why ?
secret = hidden agendas which in my opinion and JFK was trying to put a stop too
and we know how that ended up?
secret is the reason why people in power stay and get into power
please explain the full agendas of freemasonry ?
and then explain why it has to be done behind a veil of secrecy

my questions are quite viable and if you care to explain i would be enlightened and therefore less sceptical of the full thing
thanking you ....

z786
5th August, 2010, 08:11 PM
thankyou

heres a speech from the legend, the one that the freemasons didnt like
YouTube - ‪President John F Kennedy Secret Society Speech version 2‬‎

also heres a song from a freemason
YouTube - ‪Stonecutters Song‬‎

and if you care to take a read
Jay-Z's "Run This Town" and the Occult Connections | The Vigilant Citizen (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948)

this ties in jayz to be a 33rd degree freemason
it also ties him in with alistar crowley

cant get any better than that

and if you still dont wanna knw, neither do i

@nara
evry1 has their opinion, and u rightly hav yours

chroma
6th August, 2010, 05:26 AM
...please explain the full agendas of freemasonry ?
and then explain why it has to be done behind a veil of secrecy

my questions are quite viable and if you care to explain i would be enlightened and therefore less sceptical of the full thing
thanking you ....

Ok, ok i admit it, Master Masons actualy are shapeshifting reptilians from the fourth dimension, hell bent on global domination. worse still they're all Jewish! :roflmao:

Your questions are indeed viable though.
To figure the agenda and need for secrecy you need to go back in history to a time when masons where actualy masons, this is to say they actualy made things from stone.
Masons back in the day where classed as the elite of the uneducated labour, they where held in awe by society. And tolerated by the higher powers as a nessisary evil i guess.
Who isnt impressed when they contemplate that someone managed to carve intricate details into a multi ton block of sandstone and then risk his life getting it into place on a cathedral roof?

As for actual reading and writing? Masons where lucky if they had even so much as a rudimentary grasp, the only required intelect was the ability to follow the pictures in a blueprint and hopefully not chisel off a finger or youd be limited to counting to nine. It was also of use to be able to knock out a symbol on your stonework, a quick symbol acted as your signature and ensured that you got paid for your job. (if you look at old cobblestone curbs for instance you can still see masonic symbols, this was the guys way of proving he carved it and getting paid)

Back in the day there was no "welfare state" you didnt work you didnt eat, and a masons job being as it was, was prone to accidents that could lay a man up until his broken arm or leg healed. Not that it would get the chance as both his family and himself would starve long before this was able to occur. Life was hard. Its not difficult to see that if you got together with your other masons and paid in a portion of your wage there would be enough in the pot to feed your brother and his family should the worst happen. Its easier doing a dangerous job if your certain your family will be looked after should you wind up underneath your collapsed stonework.

This requires a few prequisites:
1:TRUST! You need to trust your brothers, lest one figure that that big pile of money would beter serve in his own selfish needs than the good of the brotherhoods.
2: SECRECY! Letting the rest of the world know that your sitting on a mountain of gold is generaly regarded as a very stupid idea, this leaves you open to all kinds of problems like theft and taxation.

Now there are complications involved with this, you need people who are able to write and count to maintain ledgers and account for everyones stipend, keep track of memberships and the like, you also need to reinforce trust and educate on ethics and morals.
Its worth noting that back in the day if you wanted an education you joined the clergy, they taught the plebs how to read, write and count.

They also happened to be your major employer, churches all over europe demanded places of worship crafted in intricate detail filled with nice shiny statues and pillars and where willing to pay for the priviledge, they also offered tax breaks on work conducted on behalf of the church. The church was very open to having a cooperating workorce, realising instantly that its easier to speak to a groups spokesperson than it is to send messengers to all corners of the globe to get that statue of the madonna you so badly desire.

As masons already have an eye for symbols, pictagrams and so forth, why not use these to teach members? Learning anything is easy if its put in a context people can understand and early masons cottoned on to this, This opens you to another problem, the church where less than shy about executing people who preached heresy.
This is easily avoided by using psudo religious overtones in your setup, this is good policy if your not all that into getting burned alive as a heretic.

So to recap, set up a welfare system for a workforce, realise that people keep stealing your treasure, bring in a system to that enforces trust and maintains secrecy, realise its open to exploitation and corruption by the educated people fiddling the books and bring in a system to replenish the ranks to maintain checks and balances against it, the world being what it is and people having the understanding they do, use psudo religious terminology and heavy usage of symbolism to do so. Masons can understand it, non masons would be essentaly clueless.
This isnt to say they closed ranks, i mean what better way of getting a cheap bolster than inviting your local smith to join the brotherhood and recieve benefits?
Eventualy local tradesmen where openly welcomed, a quick handshake and you get a discount, handshakes worked better than carrying cards for understandable reasons.

It wasnt long before the gentry of the day twigged that the masons had a good system in place to support each other that provided obvious perks for membership and began to join the ranks around the 16th century, this became fasionable and probably provided great dinner conversation.
It continued along till the point where there where more freemasons than stonemasons, the public perception gradualy began to change, becoming wary of the secrecy, which at this point was more a traditional upkeep than a method of defence, a way to be a part of something.
As time marched on there became less demand for stonemasonry, achievable results could be made from mouldings, bricks, concrete, plaster and facades. Stone masonry became a dying art form and the gentry took over,why pay a workforce to slowly cut stone and erect a building, when you can get a bunch of labour to slap preformed bricks up in a fraction of the time at a fraction of the cost?

Instead of helping an injured or dead stonemason funds could now be used for other things, like charity, plowing into education and so forth. Sure we still help out our brothers but injury and mortality rates have greatly decreased over the years.

Is there really a need for secrecy nowadays? Not really. It is however a nice tradition. If people fear it then thats their issue not ours, its a centuries old tradition and one that allows us to feel part of something truly special. Its great being able to walk into a room full of complete stangers and pick out people you know you can trust.
All thats kept secret are our rituals and its easy to see why, with the rise of the internet keeping secrets has become an impossibility nowadays anyway, theres plenty of valid resources out there that will tell you everything you need to know about freemasonry.
Good luck telling it apart for the drivel from the tinfoil hat brigade spout though :)
Symbolism helps here, but why you should feel the need is beyond me, if you really want to know then go to your local lodge and join up, reading too far ahead is boring anyway, why read the last chapter of a book before you've experience the previous ones?
Our rituals may seem obscure, outdated and downright bizarre in some cases but you learn something from each one and theyr'e enjoyable to take part in.

As for our agenda? same as it always was, to help any brother in need and provide charity and aid where we can.
If people wish to demonise that then so be it.

wormz
6th August, 2010, 06:50 AM
i would like to join freemasonry. i heard you got to ask one to be one.

racin-snake
6th August, 2010, 09:56 AM
this doesn't answer any of the questions ?
this is a romanticised cut and paste
can you tell us why there is so much secrecy and why a society in modern times needs this ?
none of the stuff you have posted makes any sense in a society for over 100 years
tradition does not dictate this level of secrecy does it?
as for joining the masons
na ide rather not thanking you
also rituals fun education?
don't think so mate it sounds worse than what you call the "foil hat brigade "
not much worse than i regard the freemasons in truth
a bunch of outdated sphincters which claim great things yet do nothing in actuality
and their secrecy provides the question and answers too in all honesty i cannot imagine a realistic person thinking that the rest of the world is mad because they come to conclusions that this society could dispel but either wont or will not for another reason ?
and then call us foil hatters for being suspicious...if you have a question do you ask for an answer?
if no answer is provided and dispelled then what conclusion does that bring to you?
you also claim charity and education as a good deed the masonic order (in my opinion sounds like a religious overtone )

so again what does it take to become a 30 32 and 33 degree mason ?
and why is it that in a modern world does it have to be secret if there's no hidden agenda ?
i dont think the history lesson is what i asked for just a simple why and how
any chance of a reason or answer

also i did not mention your validity on freemasonry being a religion
but any chance of explaining why its deemed as having kabalistic overtones too
just for the foil hatters mate
thanks
here is a definition of religion as is understood by many ---any similarities here ?

:Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or in general a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.[1]
Aspects of religion include narrative, symbolism, beliefs, and practices that are supposed to give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life. Whether the meaning centers on a deity or deities, or an ultimate truth, religion is commonly identified by the practitioner's prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things, and is often interwoven with society and politics. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws and ethics and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience. The development of religion has taken many forms in various cultures, with continental differences.
The term "religion" refers both to the personal practices related to communal faith and to group rituals and communication stemming from shared conviction. "Religion" is sometimes used interchangeably with "faith" or "belief system",[2] but it is more socially defined than personal convictions, and it entails specific behaviors, respectively.
Religion is often described as a communal system for the coherence of belief focusing on a system of thought, unseen being, person, or object, that is considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine, or of the highest truth. Moral codes, practices, values, institutions, tradition, rituals, and scriptures are often traditionally associated with the core belief, and these may have some o~~~~~p with concepts in secular philosophy. Religion is also often described as a "way of life" or a life stance.

thered
6th August, 2010, 10:51 AM
this doesn't answer any of the questions ?
this is a romanticised cut and paste
can you tell us why there is so much secrecy and why a society in modern times needs this ?
none of the stuff you have posted makes any sense in a society for over 100 years
tradition does not dictate this level of secrecy does it?
as for joining the masons
na ide rather not thanking you
also rituals fun education?
don't think so mate it sounds worse than what you call the "foil hat brigade "
not much worse than i regard the freemasons in truth
a bunch of outdated sphincters which claim great things yet do nothing in actuality

so again what does it take to become a 30 32 and 33 degree mason ?
and why is it that in a modern world does it have to be secret if there's no hidden agenda ?
i dont think the history lesson is what i asked for just a simple why and how
any chance of a reason or answer i did not mention your validity on freemasonry being a religion
but any chance of explaining why its deemed as having kabalistic overtones too
just for the foil hatters mate

what questions?

if all this crap is to be believed WHAT are you going to do about it all ?

the common thing that people say is that we are all dumb and cant see the bigger picture because they have made us this make believe world and fill us full of aspartame to make us stupid and cant see the "bigger picture"

we sort of live in a trueman style film and these powere figures control us like puppets

they take all our money,they start wars,they are all related,they are shapeshifting lizards and they are going to cull the population by poisoning us

there may be some elements of truth in small pockets but most of it is ludicrous and absolutley stupid beyond belief

i find it quite amusing that the people who are saying we are brain washed are the ones who are actally brain washed and they cant see any other side but there own no matter how it sounds

related people in power what a load of crap if you search anyones family tree hard enough you can unearth all sorts in fact your more likely to be related to at least one american president than not related to one

if these rothchilds and rockerfellers ect are after all our money and want us all dead why do we have an NHS in the UK paid for by our taxes

why can we get free prescriptions?

why can we get housing benefit?

why can i get a mobility car if i have a bad leg?

why do we have a massive welfare system?


why do we have parks? swimming baths? waste collections?


to suggest we give all our cash to secret societies and they control our lives is ~~~~in ridiculous if you look around you can see where our money goes yes there may be people who pocket a bit along the way but who wouldnt tbh

im up for a bit of conspiracy but all this is 95% ridiculous its all based on no facts whatsoever just a few peoples over active imaginations and trying to join dots




another thing what makes me laugh btw is all these symbols on notes and above lodges and colledges ect

you can almost picture the scene "right lads we will get our families together and rule the world but dont tell anyone its THE BIGGEST SECRET no one must know, we will rule the world by herding the population like sheep and control them like puppets"

then we will leave loads symbols on statues,buildings and bank notes and shake each others hand in a funny way no one will click on


wouldnt it have been easier and a better kept secret NOT to ADVERTISE and keep it quiet ffs lol call in alfred hitchcocks hardy boys they will solve it

racin-snake
6th August, 2010, 11:34 AM
what ?
the question is there in the quote you pasted?
also
just to set things clear i am not a conspiracy theorist
i would like to know an answer to a few simple questions
and your mockery of people who ask questions is showing you up for what you've been taught
and where did i mention shape shifting ?
have another look youl find thats your idea not mine my fiend
the question is..... masons have many degrees of membership what does it involve to be the upper echelon ?
also i was asking if the guys on the upper echelons know more than the guys on the bottom are aware off

you yourself have taken it upon yourself to ask and answer questions and ridicule yourself in the that post you have
just shown yourself up for your own ignorance in any of the matters
because we have a welfare state does'nt mean there are no other hidden agendas ?
an ill workforce is no use to them?
and what is money ?
and who controls it?
what percentage of the world owns the most ?



brain washing
how simplistic lol
they do not need to brainwash
they have YOU where they want YOU

government and media are far more subtle than this crude nonsense your spouting ?
by far more than you are actually aware "wouldnt it have been easier and a better kept secret NOT to ADVERTISE and keep it quiet ffs "
hence my questions if they advertised it i wouldnt ask the same questions

how do you think they get you to buy the newest football strip ect?
by using far more subtle methods ....why do they have spin ?
to use these subtle methods on you
entertained population is a non thinking population my friend
the small rectangular box tells you all you need to know
and when you need to know it right ?
how absurd and shallow .....

its a very sorry state when you ask questions the reply is complete rubbish
its a right to ask questions a right your media and leaders are slowly eroding

nara
6th August, 2010, 11:41 AM
I find it quite amusing that the people who are saying we are brain washed are the ones who are actually brain washed

Excellent point! :congrats:

Though I think amusement should be tempered with sadness.

z786
6th August, 2010, 01:04 PM
they own all the banks, they print the money
why would they need to rob when they own it?
rockerfeller, builderburg etc are all elite families

is it true, the name "rockerfeller" or any variation of it is copyrighted?

chroma
6th August, 2010, 03:59 PM
this doesn't answer any of the questions ?
It clearly explains both the need for secrecy and the surrounding symbolism, im sorry its not what you want to hear and nowhere near as exciting as being the grand architects of a plot for global domination, but there you have it, life generaly isnt like the movies.



tradition does not dictate this level of secrecy does it?
ive also briefly covered this too, the "level" of secrecy is fairly narrow nowadays, a lot of what the masons now do is a matter of public record, you can easily trace back money for instance there are clear paper trails that follow the laws of the land. You can under certain circumstances obtain a list of members.
Parliamentary members for instance are required BY LAW to declare their memberships to either the masons or any other organisation they're part of.

All thats really kept secret nowadays are our ritual allegories and thats about it. Agendas and minuites are meticulously kept during meetings just like any company/organisation or corporation.

The level of secrecy you suggest frankly doesnt exist, its well known that the only way for three people to keep a grand secret is if two of them are dead.

The secrecy with the masons is far from grand, we dont want our rituals and how we identify each other to become common knowledge for obvious reasons, if everyone knew our symbolism there woldnt be much point in having it, its this level of secrecy that maintains our traditions and you can easily see its fairly benign.


also rituals fun education?
don't think so mate it sounds worse than what you call the "foil hat brigade "
not much worse than i regard the freemasons in truth
a bunch of outdated sphincters which claim great things yet do nothing in actuality
This is your opinion and your very entitled to it, no matter how inaccurate it proclaims to be. rituals are nothing more than dramas acted out as a group, each with a moral and ethical lesson. if thats not your thing then its not your thing, no skin off my back. Other masons and I thoroughly enjoy it, theres nothing more rewarding than taking part in an entered apprentices induction and seeing the positive effect it has on them.



and their secrecy provides the question and answers too in all honesty i cannot imagine a realistic person thinking that the rest of the world is mad because they come to conclusions that this society could dispel but either wont or will not for another reason ?

Its more cant than wont, ive tried to dispel your fears, ive been open and stupidly tried to prove a negative, we've seen just how open you where to my postings. When met with a wall of argumentom ad ignorantium, generaly the best thing to do is walk away from someone proposing that because X has never been proven means it MUST be false, or vice versa.
I also dont consider the rest of the world mad, merely a small, vocal minority of fantasy punters with overactive imaginations.



and then call us foil hatters for being suspicious...if you have a question do you ask for an answer?
I certainly do, however i certainly dont proclaim to know the truth based on sketchy assumptions with no realistic basis then expect to be taken credibly for it.



if no answer is provided and dispelled then what conclusion does that bring to you?
Certainly not anything as grandioise as plots for global domination perpetrated by reptiles from the fourth dimension.

Answers are routinely provided, like ive already stated if you want to know anything about freemasonry then a mason will happily tell you everything you want to know, aside from a small subset of information thats traditionaly kept secret, if you want to know those then by all means youre welcome to join in and take part.

The truth however is that this doesnt fit well with peoples "David Icke" and "Dan Brown" perception of grand plans and global plots. Its akin to asking a school child if hed rather do his algebra homework or spend the evening shooting covenant troops in halo. Guaranteed he'll choose to live out a fantasy over study any day of the week.



so again what does it take to become a 30 32 and 33 degree mason ?
You need to be an Americanized mason for starters, theres no such thing in Scotland. Which is strange considering that they term degrees after the 3rd as part of the "Scottish rites."
In true american form they need MORE! BIGGER! FASTER! (we Scots happily wear a kilt and can clearly display our junk is bigger without having to resort to such overcompensation)

Take the 33rd or any of them outside of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Simply put, anything after the 3rd degree is like an Oscar. Does Clint Eastwood get brought into the inner sanctium of global overlords over any other actor because hes won an award for best actor in a motion picture?

The first three are training towards becomming a Master Mason (Entered Apprentice, Journeyman and Master Mason), MM is the "Highest Rank" attainable to a mason, anything outside of this is just fluff. Latter day e-penis to be honest.
Everything above is not even technicly a "rank" its more honourary, a symbol of hard work and effort, in masonic terms its nothing more than an arbitrary number. someone who has undergone the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite is no more "superior" than your average Master Mason, hes just more respected by the yankees as having done the work, simmilar to the education systems BSc and BSc hons.
This generaly means that whilst fellow classmates spent time in the student union knocking back cheap beer the honours student instead spent the time hitting the books.

People outside of the Lodge have a hard time comprehending this, clearly being a 33 must be better than a 3 right? i mean higher numbers are generaly better right? A level 33 druid shaman can kick the ass of a lowly level 3 in hand to hand combat in WoW so clearly this must translate to the masonic order too!
Like i said theyre nothing more than honourary titles, a mark of respect for a lifetimes acomplishment towards masonry and the wider community.
So what does it take to obtain the 33rd degree? simple honest hard work, study and a high degree of community involvment, theres also the matter of the monatary donation and following the american system of more numbers is better logic. (this is just a generalisation however as there are slight differences depending on jurisdiction, the americans cant ever agree on anything standard)

In the UK it takes far longer to become a recognised MM than it does stateside, you can study for years and put in a lot of effort and still be no more than a Journeyman, so we really dont need all these superfluous titles to stroke our egos. We also dont officialy recognise the american system, although we dont prevent our members from going over then and taking part if they wish to do so, we just make it clear that if they return back to the UK their titles will be no more recognised than as being simple Master Masons.

Again this doesnt tie in all too well with the conspiricy theorists ideals of praying to the antichrist whilst bathed in the moonlit blood of an infant child...
Therefore it cant possibly be true can it?



and why is it that in a modern world does it have to be secret if there's no hidden agenda ?
i dont think the history lesson is what i asked for just a simple why and how
any chance of a reason or answer
To protect our traditions and membership, to add an air of prestige and mystery and plain old fasioned fun.
Nothing of any real value is kept secret, again ive covered this, public records are available, actual masons are very open to questions and theres no evidence of anything sinister being kept from the public at large.
All thats kept to any level of secrecy is our methods of identifying each other and our allegories.
You can even get minuites for lodge meetings to see whats happening inside but again they dont reek of lizards taking over the world so theyre often pushed aside to make way for the fantastic. A page full of someone proposing a motion to donate to a certain charity and the processes of forwarding the motion make for far more dry fare.



also i did not mention your validity on freemasonry being a religion
but any chance of explaining why its deemed as having kabalistic overtones too
just for the foil hatters mate
thanks
here is a definition of religion as is understood by many ---any similarities here ?

Freemasonry is NOT a religion, to be recognised as a religion you require:
Faith in a god; we allow our members to have faith in anything they wish, how they worship is their business and is never discussed inside lodge proceedings.

Prayer; There is no prayer inside lodge functions, if you want to pray to your deity then feel free to do so outside of the lodge functions.

Rituals; Masons do have rituals, however these are more akin to plays and reenactments than anything overtly religious, we certainly have religious symbology but this is only down to traditional historical roots.

A membership not associaed with any other religious body; Freemasonry clearly falls short of this, we actively encourage members to take part in their own religious doctrines and worship their gods as they see fit, so long as it stays outside our meetings its all good.

Religious services; Again our funtions are members only, unless a person can wander in off the street and take part its not officialy recognised as a religion.

Whilst masons certainly do share some commonality with religious organisations and groups we do not formaly worship, instruct members that "thou shalt worship none other than the masonic antichrist" or any such drivel and therefore cannot be classed as a religion.

As for kabalistic overtones? this again is purely speculative, some of our symbology shares ties with hebrew (the character yud for instance), and some of our literaure ties in with religious mysticism from several different religions including the kabbalah which is where this assumption could be made from.
Kabala is no more than jewish mysticism so it fits nicely with the concept of other religious mysticism, this doesnt mean that a person needs to follow a strict religion to understand or gain any benifit from its teachings, in fact the great thing about masonry is that it shoplifts ideas from several religious texts to emphasise its points and provide entertaining and engaging lessons through the forms of dramatic allegorical plays (our rituals)
Does this leave us open to wild speculation? Absoloutly!
Do we really care about that? Absoloutly Not!
It serves a purpose that far outweighs the negativity of peoples speculation.
Ive read a lot of religious doctrines and can draw parallels with masonry and indeed parallels between each religion, theres plenty of o~~~~~p to go around.

The fact is that Freemasonry has several factors which are open to wild and rampant speculation and assumptions, people will believe what they want to believe (and the paradox is that masons encourage this in their very own members, everyone should be different, who are we to tell you which god to worship or that your right or wrong for doing so?) but it doesnt change the fact that the real truth about masons is far more boring than the fantastic theories that members of the public cook up and therefore less prone to acceptance.

A great question to ask is that if theres a grand scheme to overthrow world governments and enslave the universe then why is it so secrative?
People are inherantly selfish, no one person can control something for very long, tell another about your plot and he'll want to control the world too, if there was such a grand scheme then it would tear itself apart through member greed and infighting from people vying for power to control the lot.

You see it in governments all the time, a global plot would be no quiet thing, its too open to corruption, greed and power plays from everyone who would be involved to be kept a secret for more than a few hours never mind several centuries.

Again though this would make for a poor Tom Hanks movie, slow down conspiricy theorists book sales and wind up making far less money from shilling a demographic so eager to engage in flights of fantasy. So why let the truth get in the way of a good yarn?

racin-snake
6th August, 2010, 04:17 PM
thank you this is exactly what i asked for
a straight answer not a combat of wills or intelect
as said before i am not a conspiracy theorist but i like to know what is what
your time taken to answer is appreciated ...racin-snake

Herbie
6th August, 2010, 05:49 PM
Why do I get the feeling a peep called English is lurking in the background here.
Mind I could be paranoid.

flyingpig
6th August, 2010, 09:01 PM
Haha... ---- That is serious paranoia... And some laughable stuff...

"also, true, they have been around for thousands of years
slowly paving the way for their messiah or "the great architect"

now that israel is created, they are securing the borders
the false messiah has 2 imitate the real 1, so he has to be appointed in the same place"

What a load of tosh......

Have you ever heard the word co-incidence?

z786
6th August, 2010, 09:16 PM
Nope, but ever heard the words Inevitable?




As for the list of masons LMAO Obama? thats pure rumour and if you do some homework you'll find it originates from another nutcase. Namely Leo Young (aka Leo Zagami) hardly a reputable source.


seeing is believing
YouTube- ‪Barak Obama's a free mason‬‎

irfy
6th August, 2010, 11:41 PM
what questions?

if all this crap is to be believed WHAT are you going to do about it all ?

the common thing that people say is that we are all dumb and cant see the bigger picture because they have made us this make believe world and fill us full of aspartame to make us stupid and cant see the "bigger picture"

we sort of live in a trueman style film and these powere figures control us like puppets

they take all our money,they start wars,they are all related,they are shapeshifting lizards and they are going to cull the population by poisoning us

there may be some elements of truth in small pockets but most of it is ludicrous and absolutley stupid beyond belief

i find it quite amusing that the people who are saying we are brain washed are the ones who are actally brain washed and they cant see any other side but there own no matter how it sounds

related people in power what a load of crap if you search anyones family tree hard enough you can unearth all sorts in fact your more likely to be related to at least one american president than not related to one

if these rothchilds and rockerfellers ect are after all our money and want us all dead why do we have an NHS in the UK paid for by our taxes

why can we get free prescriptions?

why can we get housing benefit?

why can i get a mobility car if i have a bad leg?

why do we have a massive welfare system?


why do we have parks? swimming baths? waste collections?


to suggest we give all our cash to secret societies and they control our lives is ~~~~in ridiculous if you look around you can see where our money goes yes there may be people who pocket a bit along the way but who wouldnt tbh

im up for a bit of conspiracy but all this is 95% ridiculous its all based on no facts whatsoever just a few peoples over active imaginations and trying to join dots




another thing what makes me laugh btw is all these symbols on notes and above lodges and colledges ect

you can almost picture the scene "right lads we will get our families together and rule the world but dont tell anyone its THE BIGGEST SECRET no one must know, we will rule the world by herding the population like sheep and control them like puppets"

then we will leave loads symbols on statues,buildings and bank notes and shake each others hand in a funny way no one will click on


wouldnt it have been easier and a better kept secret NOT to ADVERTISE and keep it quiet ffs lol call in alfred hitchcocks hardy boys they will solve it

Its not ur money they really care about, its ur SOUL! Im sure everyone remembers the pulp fiction movie. remember the suitcase that the boss wanted back so badly. Ask urself what was in it???

Anyone???

Lets not get too uptight and defensive here, it seems we have people here from different cultures, sex's and religion.

Keep it sweet n informative

chroma
7th August, 2010, 01:39 AM
Nope, but ever heard the words Inevitable?



seeing is believing
YouTube- ‪Barak Obama's a free mason‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwOFuHGnW4&feature=related)

BY GOD YOUR RIGHT! SEEING IS BELIEVING!
Just one issue with the video however, it doesnt resemble any of the masonic grips ;)

racin-snake
7th August, 2010, 09:11 AM
there again where is the proof ?
can you prove this is not a masonic hand shake ?

no ....you cant or wont
so on the other hand .why should we or anyone believe you either?
i do not as you have only confirmed your self as one of many
there is no proof in any of your statements on any post you have taken great effort to write
speculation and the bare essentials of what your creed/religion\whatever you claim it to be has taught you to

did you know the reason for a 33rd degree answer NO !
you denied the existence in the mainstream ...
"quote"
Everything above is not even technicly a "rank" its more honourary, a symbol of hard work and effort, in masonic terms its nothing more than an arbitrary number. someone who has undergone the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite is no more "superior" than your average Master Mason, hes just more respected by the yankees as having done the work, simmilar to the education systems BSc and BSc hons.
"unquote "

did you also know 98% of the nazi party did not know of the full agendas of the party ..FACT

so when you answered it was just an answer of what you and the lower echelons are told
not the full agenda ?
speculation ? maybe ..but are you 100%

like ive said before ..and as someone else said
take EVERYTHING with a large pinch of salt

you mentioned trust and honour ...
take these two concepts as platform
even these have connotations ...IE blind trust and misplaced honour
like the concept you have posted ...am i to belive it based on 0 % fact?
the same amount of fact you ascertained for everyone else who has opposed your idea of the full picture
also
the idea of many aspects of your brotherhood
are seen repeated throughout the world ie the arian brotherhood ?
do you see where i am coming from?
i do not aNd will never trust people or sects /cults /with hidden agendas and urge people not to either
the fact is these things due to human nature greed and so on are subject to
not speculation of abuse and manipulation but its as you have said yourself as a real and viable concept
to sum it up if you blindly believe all the people in authority
then who are the sheep ?
free thinking imho is a right NOT debatable a basic human right
to blindly follow ??
i do not think so
so when you debunk or dismiss theories you are welcome to your view
but do not state facts till you are 100% sure they are indisputable
secrecy is a concept which i corruptible
dont you agree ?

the foil hatters you refer to are welcome also to their view
do you not agree this too ?
as its based on questions you cannot or will not answer to their satisfaction

i also have read thereds total posts on these matters debunking things he knows less than a few sentences about
making humour from trying (poorly) to ridicule other theories
then looking for answers on other posts
i think when you say you had a breakdown you in fact are in denial my friend
have a look at his posts you will see a huge amount of misinformation he regards as truths ...
read care fully the david ike post
you then will see he knows nothing
more or less post clocking on a subject he knows nothing about
think when he took the three or four day tripp he shorted a few wires in the brain

this is nothing to do with conspiracy theories or religion or anything else like an agenda for myself
i merely put forward the notion that if you ask questions and get only more questions then something is wrong
for centuries the lords and kings of this world have used and manipulated
with fiction /untruths /misinformation /disinformation and blatant lies
but spoon fed to the masses none the less
i do not claim that anything like the arrivals is based on fact
i do not believe religion is based on fact either
in all honesty
all i would ask is
DO NOT WALK BLINDLY ..SEEK THE TRUTH ?
the whole point of my questions if you like
question what your told

AS ONE THING YOU WILL AGREE ON
POWER CORRUPTS ...ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY

television and the media ...question what they tell you
question why they tell you
as these all have been set-up to provide information
and as we have seen disinformation blatant lies and PROPAGANDA all tools to fool the masses the facts are 100% facts

another great thing ive learned is thee are three sides to a story
THEIR SIDE ..YOUR SIDE ..AND THE TRUTH
there is no spin on this just asking you to ask them ...
why when and how
if none of the above are satisfactory ask again ...
politicians and our leaders are men and only men
and in he fact of the matter as posted these are corruptable from many sources
think and asses what they tell you

racin-snake

nara
7th August, 2010, 09:20 AM
there again where is the proof ?
can you prove this is not a masonic hand shake ?



You certainly have an interesting take on logic. :dancing2:

It is a generally accepted principal that the burden of proof rests with the person making the accusation.

racin-snake
7th August, 2010, 09:28 AM
then my friend you are completely wrong !
even in a court of law you are required to suppose an alibi ..or proclaim the facto of innocence
fact .. if you refuse a breath test it in law confirms your guilt
prove the facts and then make a denial in FACT
as denials and mockery prove more in the opposite direction?
i have seen your one line efforts on this subject
care to make a simple post on your take on the subject ?
be nice to see what facts you have to dispel any questions i may have ?
??????
oh and are you in the craft ?
your standpoint is unclear in this department
prove liability not credibility of the witness ....another assumption another stab at the truth .e.e misinformation
THE FACTS provide answers not ASSUMPTIONS therefore if no facts are proven then what else is the there
assumptions ?
or theories based on non facts ect let us see the full picture then you will have debunked or confirmed the whole scenario
not proven does not mean not guilty
not proven does not mean guilty
it means the mandate is not either proven in fact or dis proven so the bastard theory applies until either one is fact
it means if you cannot disprove the conspiracy theories and the evidence they provide
each will continue to have equal credibility
no room for any other conception ime afraid
except use you own initiative
there lies the formula for the whole thing ...prove or disprove
don't mock someone's opinion until you know the facts 100%
if you believe all that's written and reported in the media
then you have let yourself down
in this world spin and media are all becoming far too commonly used as a factual and information system
fiction is fiction whether it be a point of view or a interpenetration of the facts
look no further than the down right facts and then make the right answers

chroma
7th August, 2010, 03:19 PM
Theres only one way for me to disprove a handshake wih absolout certainty, thats to show you the real grips.

This would go against my oath, and thas not a road i'm willing to go down.

That being said, there are only a few cases where using a grip is necessary, namely gaining access to a lodge where your unknown to the oher members.
Meeting an interviewer on national television doesnt qualify as any of the situations where identification would be required. So why would you use something so formal in such a promiscuous manner?

As for the notion of invoking Godwins Law, its laughable.
Take the Nazi party, The Arian Brotherhood, The KKK. They all have one thing in common that sets them aside from the craft.
Theyre all founded on hate.
Since their inception they've routinely executed people who didnt fit their ideals, to my knowledge the lodges have never gassed any Jews, burned out shop owners or lynched black folks. On the contrary we openly accept members that fit into categories other groups propose to hate and target.

We have a system of ACCEPTANCE rather than "Tolerance" The only idalistic notion to refuse membership we have is citizenship, if you're a murderer, bank robber or rapist we dont want any part of you inside our broterhood, we take a dim view of criminals and villains.
Commit a serious crime and expect to be expeled by your brothers.

So whilst various other groups are founded on principles of hate and have agendas to back this up Freemasonry most certainly doesnt.

Our criteria are as follows:
You wll be a man of good will.
Good character
Good reputation.
Whom believes in a creator and practices universal good will towards his fellow man.
You will be loyal you your country
Expected to adhere to rigidly the principles of fellowship and friendship.

As for our agenda? thats even easier although open to wild speculation and missenterpretation.
"Build a better world."

So just what principles are followed to build this better world? simply put, build better men.
In fact our entire motto is "better men make better worlds."

If your not a good man then your brothers will notice and you will be expelled, regardless of your title or ammount of time and effort spent to gain what power you may have held.
Every one of our 6 million odd members is kept under a watchful eye by the rest, there are checks and balances in place to quickly and effectively weed out any corruption.
We are also fairly anti corruption as a whole, we take a very dim view on members who would seek financial benifit or power from their membership.

A far cry from genocide, eugenics, hate and gentrification that we get unfairly lumped in with in regards to other groups.

This isnt to say that we're perfect, on the contrary we're definately not, we do have bad apples amongst our bunch but they do eventualy become forced to take responsibility for their actions.
We are principled and honourable men and fully aware that people are distrustful of us, its therefore important that you conduct yourself throughout your life above reproach. a mason should be aware that he is a mason first and foremost and his actions where ever he conducts himself will reflect on the fraternity as a whole.

To lump us in with other miscreants and deviants is unfounded at best, after several centuries any serious agenda of wrongdoing or malintent would have surfaced long ago.

nara
7th August, 2010, 03:32 PM
then my friend you are completely wrong !
even in a court of law you are required to suppose an alibi ..or proclaim the facto of innocence


Nonsense, as usual. You really must do some research before spouting drivel.

The burden of proof, in a trial, is on the prosecution. They bring the charge and they must prove, by admissible evidence, each element of the charge against the defendant. Another way of describing this is the presumption of innocence: The defendant does not have to prove his innocence, it is presumed unless and until the prosecution prove the contrary.

dell_xps
7th August, 2010, 05:24 PM
All I can add to that video is a "good Mason covers his work", I see nothing Masonic it that video I'm afriad.

z786
7th August, 2010, 05:32 PM
Theres only one way for me to disprove a handshake wih absolout certainty, thats to show you the real grips.

This would go against my oath, and thas not a road i'm willing to go down.



no worries mate, we wouldnt want you to do that, there might be another "jack the ripper" around
you need the handshakes wherever you go, not jus entering lodges
now tell me this vid is also wrong?

YouTube - ‪jay-z Nas Kanye West and the Freemason Handshake‬‎

@racin-snake

there is no chance that chroma is anywhere near 33rd degree level, he is just a starter, bottom of the pyramid, bottom of the food chain. i dont blame him, he obviosly doesnt knw the "agenda"

if you read this quote from himself, wat does it tell you?



Take the Masonic Lodge for instance, a large "secret" society. If its so tremendously secret then why do i know so much of the goings on and my towns entire membership?
Maintaining any secret is EPIC in the difficulty stakes.

Not that i mind these loonies, they keep the governments on their toes by spending countless manhours overanalyzing every single detail of politics no matter how trivial.


in october last year, he wasnt a mason, infact he was calling them "loonies" lol

how ironic lol

pps. @chroma, by the way, i wasnt using a broken keyboard, its txt language, not text, maybe back in your days it was different?

racin-snake
7th August, 2010, 06:01 PM
he he he he
how these things amaze me lol ,,,,NICE ONE,,,
Chroma this makes ya laugh is a recent conscript thus he knows everything .......
hes one of the loonies now so from foil hatter to loonie
got to hand it to you man discredit is one thing but a doctrinated newbie ....he he lol


Nara my friend where did you find this ?
and does the other stuff i wrote easily discredit
and do you really believe innocence is presumed LOL
if i as driving and then was asked to give a specimen of breath /blood ect
would i then be charged with an offence if i refused?
YES . ON ITS OWN ...REFUSAL TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE IS A CRIME
where does your input stand there?
Nonsense, as usual. You really must do some research before spouting drivel.
one other thing
you have managed once again to provide your take on things
as per 1 liner
and as for the other questions i asked you ?
care to ratify ?
maybe not
give me a reference place to look what you have said up and i will then we can examine your facts

when you are charged with an offence what is the wording ?
"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."

then you will realse why i say you have to prove ....anyway your ignorance intrigues me no end ..keep it up
NARA COULD BE DK'S DAVID IKE

z786
7th August, 2010, 07:30 PM
To lump us in with other miscreants and deviants is unfounded at best, after several centuries any serious agenda of wrongdoing or malintent would have surfaced long ago.


if theres no wrong doing, why is there no faith in God left?
why is it nowadays, kids knw more about sex than kids did back in the days?
your music/dramas/films provoke this, causing teen pregnancies

your music indoctrinates people to do things they wouldnt do

America has bombed evry country that is getting in isreals way. Mosque Al-Aqsa has been taken by Israel

1000s of innocent people have been killed in afghanistan,iraq,palestine,vietnam?

aids is a man made virus that correlates with the immunisations that wer given in africa

swine flu no doubt was your product

if that is not wrong doing then please xplain what is?

chroma
7th August, 2010, 10:51 PM
in october last year, he wasnt a mason, infact he was calling them "loonies" lol

how ironic lol

And where in this post does it mention that i either was or was not a mason?
Stating i know my towns membership doesnt infer either possibility ;) i left it entirely open to whomevers interpretation

As for calling people loonies, if you reread it carefully you'll see the loonies referred to are the paranoid New World Order conspiricy theory whackjobs.

By all means continue along with your baseless assumptions and asinine ravings, continue to make it personal by all means, the dull axe your wielding has plenty of grinding on it yet.

As for the assumption that you "need handshakes wherever you go" you base this on what? personal experience?
Yet again its baseless unfounded assumption on your part, good try though.

As for wether i am or am not a 33rd degree, ive made this blatantly obvious in a previous post:

You need to be an Americanized mason for starters, theres no such thing in Scotland. Which is strange considering that they term degrees after the 3rd as part of the "Scottish rites."
So yeah, troll harder son.

By all means continue to believe that EVIL MASONS are more responsable for kids shooting kids, kids getting knocked up, kids knowing more about sex than religion, its clearly our fault over your poor parenting skills right?

I mean just last week my little 15 year old cousin got preganant just from watching twilight!

And let us not forget that Marilyn Manson personaly walked into Columbine High and started firing round after round into students, it clearly wasnt anyone elses fauly was it?

Everything you post is routinely absurd with no provable links to reality, designed from the ground up to troll, i wouldnt be all too bothered either if only you where good at it.

And then theres racin, someone whom up till recently i respected, but someone who can honestly believe for a second that the burden of proof lies with the defendant... it beggars belief.

If i end up in court its not my job to provide evidence, on the contrary my sole action should be refuting any evidence provided by the prosecution, all i need to do is cast the slightest of doubt over a shred of evidence and its taken out of the running.
Its the prosecutions job to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that im guilty.

What your refering to with relation to breath testing is the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 6
Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_2)

And this means that refusal to cooperate with a request for a breath test will get you arrested if your behavior suggests your blind piss drunk.
This still has to go through a court where the prosecution supplies evidence to PROVE your guilty.
At no point throughout are you expected in any way to prove your innocence, merely refute and cast doubt on any evidence given.
The burden of proof still lays with the prosecution, suggesting otherwise is absurd.

As for the right to remain silent or the "priviledge against self incrimination" this goes on to prove the concept.
You dont need to say anything when arrested, and the jury can NOT hold that silence against you.
It goes even further than the arrest, when your in court on the stand there absoloutly nothing preventing you from invoking the right to silence and saying absoloutly nothing.
There is no general duty to assist the police in their enquires either, you can plead your right to silence under common law and answer absoloutly none of their questions.

Again the burden of proof lies with the prosecution not the defence.

racin-snake
7th August, 2010, 11:03 PM
I mean just last week my little 15 year old cousin got preganant just from watching twilight!
back seat job then ?

If i end up in court its not my job to provide evidence, on the contrary my sole action should be refuting any evidence provided by the prosecution, all i need to do is cast the slightest of doubt over a shred of evidence and its taken out of the running.
Its the prosecutions job to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that im guilty.

how then would you disprove the evidence ? by staying silent lol
no by rebuttal
or accept the evidence provided without a word?
no my fiend you are the one who is wrong
if the evidence has no contrary it cannot be dis proven any lawyer will tell you this
your theory is flawed in so many departments
also a 33rd degree mason is as you have said no different to yourself ?
then why is the honour bestowed in America ?
is this then a different faction to the Scottish rite?
as if i were unwell i would go to a doctor a qualified one not one bestowed by a title that was unrecognised?

as for saying "you need a handshake wherever you go" where did i say that?
mmmm.....?

any ways you are less convincing now more than ever
the trick is to see how in fact the world works
in REALITY ...
all your dogmatic stuff on rites ect does not concern me at all or in any way its laughable romanticised nonsense to me as
the point is you do not have an answer
and if asking for answers and asking questions makes you loose respect ?
so sorry for you
maybe you should go back and have another round of anger management or maybe a good blast of lsd again see if it will then flash your synapses back to free thinker as opposed to a drone
anyway your denial and then facts of the matter remain unfounded
i believe your intentions no matter how gullible are
the result of conditioning

thanks for your information and time for posting ...my position in posting is nothing to do with god or any other of the stand points you have tried to surmise .my asking is to see the truth and make my own mind up of the FACTS ...nothing more

flyingpig
7th August, 2010, 11:14 PM
Nope, but ever heard the words Inevitable?



seeing is believing
YouTube- ‪Barak Obama's a free mason‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwOFuHGnW4&feature=related)

You really need to look at this video and really understand that it is misleading. This does not prove that Obama is a Mason or not.. The guy sitting down may well and truly be a mason. But you cannot see Obama's shake you are seeing the guy shaking.

Also, McCain you could say is more than likely not a Mason as well. But you cannot say from this video that Obama is a Mason.. Believe me..

z786
7th August, 2010, 11:25 PM
it took you 2 visits n 3 hours to come up with all that lol
im not gna show you nay more proofs as your no doubt going to ignore them and drivel on about something else
i can systematically break down evidence and present it here but talking to walls isnt my hobby

just a side note, watch this, it might help you figure out why your 15 yr cousin got pregnant

YouTube - ‪The Arrival part 3 children mind control‬‎

@ flyingpig
maybe this will help you or is that fake aswell?
YouTube - ‪Meet the Real Barack Obama Illuminati -Descubre la verdadera identidad del Negro Obama !‬‎

flyingpig
7th August, 2010, 11:29 PM
I havent watched that VId yet,, I will...

I never said that vidoe was fake.. What I did say is there is no way you can tell that Obama is a mason from that vid. You do not see his grip. You see the guy sitting down, his grip, so yes, he could be a mason (the guy sitting) but defo not Obama,

flyingpig
7th August, 2010, 11:34 PM
Again, that ring --- You cant see its Obama's.... Haha,, its a pic of Obama, then a separate pic of a ring. Oh my... Do you believe everything you see.... You are mislead...

The rising sun is always a pic used to denote a new beginning, the start of a new day, the turning of a new leaf. If he had an emblem of night drawing in, with thunder an lightning form the sky, what would you say then... Haha....

Also, that wasnt a masonic ring. But what do I know.

z786
7th August, 2010, 11:36 PM
that pic they show is a poster of obamas campaign
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwbT8-8Vp6mzGUah0rJ4ERw3BkJWYc_t45rDekA2dpug6ZD2s&t=1&usg=__NaAYaHTHsqYi6VKnJraiT4mz9zU=
this is the pic on the ring

wat about the satanic hand signs?

did you forget about them?

flyingpig
7th August, 2010, 11:41 PM
That is a pic on the ring in the film. That does not mean its on Obamas finger...

And the hand sign... Are you saying my 4 year old son is a satanist? Because he does that hand sign all the time.,Or the thousands of people that I went to a metalica concert with,???,. Oh you make me laugh.

Also -- Justr watched the vid again.... I dont really see the Masonic sign -- It could be the eagle thingy of the usa.

racin-snake
7th August, 2010, 11:53 PM
the picture of the rising sun does not only provide the reasoning you claim?
its also the sign of Horace or Jesus or many other symbolic
and ritual meanings

lucifarians use this symbol too
in fact if you look at many symbols.. its up to interpretation
so what your fact states is in fact untrue to many degrees
what ime trying to imply is
do not sit back and take in these interpretations
open your mind and use what you were given above all else
we were given a unique gift that of using our minds
don't let anyone take or blunt that gift
its a rite that we are born to but many choose to leave dormant
question your authorities and question the facts
no agenda from me of anything like a conspiracy
just let yourself be of free mind to see the facts that are presented
nothing more nothing less
ime afraid it has come to a sorry state when if you ask why ..you then are ridiculed threatened and so on
i have no religious or hidden agendas
just looking for what's real and what's not ..THE FACTS

do not let this worlds leaders or religions or creeds detract from this
...................racin-snake
just to add
is barak obama who he says he is ? and is this a fact if so the most powerful man in the world has never declared or denied this ?
seems so strange ......is this not worth looking for the facts ?
i think so ..dispell or believe your choice ..................i prefer to see the FACTS

z786
7th August, 2010, 11:56 PM
like i said
brick walls lol

metallica eh
YouTube - ‪Metallica Are Satanic‬‎

let me guess, they are only words? lol

flyingpig
8th August, 2010, 12:13 AM
Erm yes... I am in no way Satanic, I am a Catholic and I went and its the thing that people do --- that hand gesture. Its a sign of being cool or hip these days. Get with it - Get with the programme , as my (appranetnly) satanist hand signing kids would say.

What does it matter anyway if Obama was a Mason? I cant see why that would matter, well matter anymore if he was a member of the local Barry Manilow fan club, or Augusta Golf Club?

z786
8th August, 2010, 12:22 AM
it matters alot mate, masons have people at the top to run the agenda, if he was a charity club member his motives would be charity, if he was mason then his motive is...........

to you it might not matter, theres people that think and people that are told wat 2 think,

that hand sign, its just a sign right?
so is this
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSz_KQdjywNuzui8q4e8iSmD9oRgR9dz glPjHiP81DzWkSNOfs&t=1&usg=__j9RxGTkm4r1y8RsLYYE37O14vSA=

i dont think you would approve of your kids doin this even if it was "hip"

by the way, hip and cool, them words are way to old
its "sikk" nowadays get with the program lol

seriosly tho, denial is the first step

flyingpig
8th August, 2010, 12:41 AM
I am not doubting that a lot of people in power may be a member of the masonic lodge, but there is no hidden agenda.

Well lucky you picked that finger, and not the 2 fingered salute, because as you may or may not be aware of (i wasnt till my grandad told me) , the old 2 fingered salute, whichever way around was a sign of victory, freedom and wasnt derogartory. Now it is, and has been since when 50's possibly?

So people at the top should not be members of any organisations, as they may lean towards that direction to deliver their agenda.

TheJackel
8th August, 2010, 12:42 AM
[QUOTE
then you will realse why i say you have to prove ....anyway your ignorance intrigues me no end ..keep it up
NARA COULD BE DK'S DAVID IKE[/QUOTE]

You are wasting your time mate this guy is so blinkered and set in his ways, he believes everything he sees and listens too from the BBC and the broadsheets because they are not tabloid owned gutter press its not the Sun Star or Mirror lol
Oh no David Dimbleby said it its got to be true, no it was in the Guardian it has to be true. Two line answers is the most you will ever get unless a lot of copy and paste.
Seems a bit more resistance on this forum to fall at the first hurdle, anyhows let the sheeple keep bleating lol.

Oh and just one last thing to end on Do people on this forum honestly believe that Barry Obama is the most powerful person on the earth being president of the US or just another handpicked puppet discuss.

TheJackel
8th August, 2010, 12:47 AM
I am not doubting that a lot of people in power may be a member of the masonic lodge, but there is no hidden agenda.

Well lucky you picked that finger, and not the 2 fingered salute, because as you may or may not be aware of (i wasnt till my grandad told me) , the old 2 fingered salute, whichever way around was a sign of victory, freedom and wasnt derogartory. Now it is, and has been since when 50's possibly?

So people at the top should not be members of any organisations, as they may lean towards that direction to deliver their agenda.
Prior to that didnt the French archers do it to the English after chopping off there bow/string fingers before battle goading them that they still had their fingers.

z786
8th August, 2010, 12:48 AM
but there is no hidden agenda.


im sure there isnt coz they told you that lol

@jackal
YouTube - ‪Barack Obama - New World Order‬‎

hand puppet lol

Alem
8th August, 2010, 12:50 AM
hello everybody

TheJackel
8th August, 2010, 12:52 AM
im sure there isnt coz they told you that lol

@jackal
YouTube - ‪Barack Obama - New World Order‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHJkS-bAJv8&feature=related)

hand puppet lol
Its hard work isnt it?

nara
8th August, 2010, 12:52 AM
hello everybody

Are you a freemason?

racin-snake
8th August, 2010, 12:54 AM
since long before that my friend
the two fingered salute was acclaimed from the English archers in France as a protest
due to the fact that archers made armies much more potent
due to the longbow man's accuracy and power
the French soldiers would cut the fingers off the troops to make them infective with the bow
so they showed there fingerers in a salute to show they still had them
Winston Churchill used it as a victory sign i believe
but more so these signs can be used to in fact make some sort of intro to something bigger
needless to say this in my opinion is not entirely factual
but a theory with some truth id wager
look at it like this
if you don't know it cant hurt you ..CAN IT ...
READ LOOK LEARN FOR YOUR SAKE
then make a judgement based on FACT its a RIGHT to do so
do not let this RIGHT disappear
if yu have a question ask it ...its your right

z786
8th August, 2010, 12:55 AM
Are you a freemason?

are you a 1 liner? lol

flyingpig
8th August, 2010, 12:58 AM
So if my firends tell me its that what your'e saying is poo... Who do I choose to believe, me and my own findings of being associated with freemasonry for years, my fathers and relatives findings of being associated with freemasonry, or the BBC's or some insomniac paranoid person who relies on videos and not his own findings?

I know who I believe....??? What about you, why dont you go and try to ding the truth yourself, rather than watch these videos and read dodgy books.

z786
8th August, 2010, 01:04 AM
i have other ways of finding the truth for myself, these vids wer easier to show you

rather than face the questions, when you dont have anything to prove me wrong, you just say "so what" that just make you look even more clueless

so wat do you use to research? the tv or the newspapers? lol

have you seen the film "national treasure"?

in it he discusses a treasure the knights templars smuggled to europe, a treasure too great for 1 man alone

can you tell me what that was?

and yes walt disney has very strong links with masons which i can prove beyond reasonable doubt

i just wont waste my time as you have your mind made up.

you make sure you stay hip ok lol

nara
8th August, 2010, 01:08 AM
... but someone who can honestly believe for a second that the burden of proof lies with the defendant... it beggars belief.




It does indeed, but I don't think that reality counts for much in his universe.

z786
8th August, 2010, 01:13 AM
It does indeed, but I don't think that reality counts for much in his universe.

what about your universe?
lol
you seriosly sound lost mate, your 1 liners make you sound even more stupid coz then you copy n paste a load of shite jus to balance it out

maybe some fresh air could do you some good?:idea:

racin-snake
8th August, 2010, 01:15 AM
if what your saying is correct
then your belief system is built from the same dodgy books an so on
clearly you do not question what's been told to you
mores the pity
a book is a book deduction is left to the reader not the author
many truths you assume are not based on facts
but conceived theories or something a bit less benign
if you are happy to follow the facts your provided with without question why waste time looking on this thread ?
there's more of the truth in that statement if you like to think
by nature your mind is an amazing tool if then after looking at the evidence you see true or false you can then make a justification
till then ?

if you were accused of something .and you were not allowed to represent the facts or the facts you gave were dismissed and ridiculed
would you complain ?
i would ..so why not look at these paranoid and insomniacs drivel to make sure the facts are as you deem yours to be
beyond a reasonable doubt then make up your mind
deny after you see the facts and or drivel as you call it
then in conviction and conscience you will have made YOUR conclusion
just as an experiment if not to enlighten yourself ?
and father son or peers have nothing to do with belief of the facts
my father was a bus driver ime a mechanic my brothers and sisters are all doing different jobs
does not rely on what your parents are
if your suggesting follow everything your parents or grandfather have told you ?
then my friend WHO ARE THE SHEEP ?

z786
8th August, 2010, 01:33 AM
look, youve scared them away now lol
now they gota learn this new thing called free thinking lol

racin-snake
8th August, 2010, 01:35 AM
It does indeed, but I don't think that reality counts for much in his universe. "Freudian slip?"
my fiend you have just hit the jackpot
your concept of reality is blinkered so you see a
reality is what exactly what you think and what you deem to be real
your concept of reality is a concept nothing more than a belief system if you are to blinkered to go find the facts or at least look at the evidence
then what should be said except
my condolences........

chroma
8th August, 2010, 02:56 AM
it took you 2 visits n 3 hours to come up with all that lol
Yes, should this be a problem? i like to think before i speak, reflect on whats been said and put aside any anger, taking a break generaly helps clear ones head and helps gain perspective on a problem, measure twice cut once sort of deal.



im not gna show you nay more proofs as your no doubt going to ignore them and drivel on about something else
i can systematically break down evidence and present it here but talking to walls isnt my hobby you've yet to show any kind of proof outside a few doctored clips and the usual Arrivals nonsense, for someone who claims to be open minded you certainly cant see past it.



just a side note, watch this, it might help you figure out why your 15 yr cousin got pregnant

YouTube - ‪The Arrival part 3 children mind control‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de6ROrSWqj4)

For a movie that screams about subliminal messeges, indoctrination through hypnosis and the like, have you ever noticed that theres an ever present ambient music track in the background, that the voices are always pitched at a certain level and that theres no real excitement or change? The entire thing seems designed to move you from a normal active beta state into a nice relaxed, pliable and receptive low alpha to theta state where the brain no longer actively questions but merely accepts what its presented.

Then again i doubt you've ever really questioned why the ambient is there or why your being told things in a very specific and controlled manner, not to mention the secrecy involved with its production, who exactly is responsable for the arrivals? what credentials do they hold? why do they insist on anonimity and psudonyms? Clearly a source that can be trusted, i mean youve clearly illustrated you have no issue with secrets.

Not to mention that Obamas a mason one minuite a devil worshiper the next and a member of bilderberg whilst being active with the illuminati, all the while being an avid member of the priory of scion and partying down with his mafioso chums at a skull and bones gathering...
Cant really seem to pick a target and stick to it can it?
I mean theres only so many days in a week and he clearly has other work like running a country and visiting dignitaries to get in the way of him attending all these members only clubs.



how then would you disprove the evidence ? by staying silent lol

Seemed to get John Bodkin Adams (the original oldschool Shipman) off with being a serial killer, i can think of less effective methods of defence.
Dont worry though John got what was comming to him in subsequent trials for other deeds, mainly forgery.

Like i said there is absoloutly no need for a defendant to produce evidence, you can get away with murder by keeping silent or discrediting the prosecutions evidence.

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also a 33rd degree mason is as you have said no different to yourself ?
then why is the honour bestowed in America ?
A 33 degree mason (or Inspector General if you prefer) is held as no different than a Master Mason.

The ranking works out as
1:Entered Apprentice
2:Journeyman or Fellowcraft
3:Master Mason.

And thats it, you obtain your master mason degree and your as high as you can go rank wise, the other degrees dont place you "above" the rank of an MM but place you along side him.
The best way to think about it is that the first three are degrees of trust, the others are degrees of learning, whereby you've proven a competence in some ritual or deed.
Sounds nuts but there you have it, a person holding an 18th degree should be able to recite more lines from memory than a person holding 6th degree, this doesnt make an 18th more powerful than a 6th or MM.

The reason its done in america is exactly the same reason as a regular McDonnalds coke is a gallon instead of a pint, that a small car has a 3l V12 twin turbo engine and gets 1.5miles to the gallon, that they have the highers ratio of breast implants and that they have the biggest donut in the world, because they're American and bigger numbers fit in with their egotistical hero complexes.
Like i mentioned before its merely fluff, theres absoloutly nothing preventing your common garden Master Mason from being able to recite just as many lines from an obscure text as a 33rd degree.



is this then a different faction to the Scottish rite?
Like i said initialy the Scottish Rite is (paradoxicaly) an American thing, its not recognised by either the Scottish or English Grand Lodge, the entire reason that its termed the Scottish Rite is down again to american ideals, they only have 234 years on their calandar and for somereason feel that calling it by that name gives it a sense of prestige, all very American.



as if i were unwell i would go to a doctor a qualified one not one bestowed by a title that was unrecognised?

Going by this analogy, a Master Mason is a qualified physician with his degree placed on his wall, an "Inspector General" is a qualified physician with an american accent and one of those "investors in people" plaques sitting beside it his desk would also have trinkets like a newtons cradle and gyroscope. Just more fluff that looks very nice but has no real impact on his ability to treat your ailment.



as for saying "you need a handshake wherever you go" where did i say that?
mmmm.....?
you didnt, it was supposed to be directed at z768.

All ive done is provide you with a rough outline of how freemasonry works, told you up front that the only parts we keep secret are our methods of identifying other members and any rituals.
Some masons openly talk about our rituals and theres a good deal of debate amongst us if this is appropriate, i feel personaly that it ruins the experience for new initiates and should be kept private.

Theres nothing sinister, no mind control, no global domination plots, no lizards or reptiles (although by the look of some of my fellows id say this was open to debate)
We basicly partake in rituals, drink beer, eat a meal together and discuss and debate the meanings of obscure historical texts and rituals, we have a lot of fun doing it.

racin-snake
8th August, 2010, 03:56 AM
i thank you for your candid post
it was never an intention to make a big deal out of it
just explain
i abhor secrecy and therefore ask questions its as simple as that

all i would disagree on is the concept of asking why when or how

am not in any way shape or form a conspiracy theorist or a religious man
and i have the feeling that the wrong conclusions are came to through either laziness to seek the facts or just blind stupidity
if all the questions i ask are there for the reference i can then come to my own conclusions
nowt bizarre in that is there ?
my one and only aim or agenda if you like is to help people to look around and maybe see the fuller picture
and government conspiracy's have been proven to be just that
lies and deceit
just on a quest to learn all i can before passing judgement on anyone
pigeon holing individuals s not my bag
whether you be Muslim catholic or protestant makes no distinction to me
in all honesty if your of good intention then i have no qualms
in short
what I believe is not what i want you to believe
you have your own path and direction
for me i just want to wake people up to research what and why the believe
no harm intended .....in my opinion your right to live how you like is your right

as i have stated before look at the reasons the why when's and how's
before concluding
once again i thank you for your response and maybe both of us have came out a bit wiser than when we started
i certainly have ....
but still looking not to debunk but just seeing what its all about
cheers ....racin-snake

z786
8th August, 2010, 04:19 AM
Not to mention that Obamas a mason one minuite a devil worshiper the next and a member of bilderberg whilst being active with the illuminati, all the while being an avid member of the priory of scion and partying down with his mafioso chums at a skull and bones gathering...
Cant really seem to pick a target and stick to it can it?
I mean theres only so many days in a week and he clearly has other work like running a country and visiting dignitaries to get in the way of him attending all these members only clubs.


i own a garage, my cousin owns a fastfood restaurant, my brother is a solicitor, and his mate owns a news agent

we all have employees, but 1 in particular, "the handyman" he works for me and the rest of the people mention above, he runs errands, chores and anythin else he is asked to do

while he represents us all, he doesnt hav 1 payroll or 1 employer, therfore neither does he clock on for work at my place or any other since he is set to do tasks all week

he jus does what he gets paid for.

hope my example made it easier for you

z786
8th August, 2010, 04:26 AM
put aside any anger.
why anger? we are surley havin a discussion and not a fight



who exactly is responsable for the arrivals? what credentials do they hold? why do they insist on anonimity and psudonyms? Clearly a source that can be trusted, i mean youve clearly illustrated you have no issue with secrets..

noreaga, achernar and hashem films
they show themselves in one of the episodes
abdullah hashem is known for exposing the rael cult and infiltrating hollywood and exposing that
they are not anonymous and clearly show their faces



Theres nothing sinister, no mind control, no global domination plots, no lizards or reptiles (although by the look of some of my fellows id say this was open to debate)
.

i'l ask you again in a few years, not sure about the lizards or reptiles

anyway, i'l leav you to it, hav fun and be nice

nara
8th August, 2010, 10:23 AM
Prior to that didnt the French archers do it to the English after chopping off there bow/string fingers before battle goading them that they still had their fingers.

No, that's an Urban Legend.

The Archers' V-sign: an urban legend - The V-sign - Icons of England (http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/the-v-sign/biography/the-anti-french-gesture)

racin-snake
8th August, 2010, 10:46 AM
very good Nara now go apply your new thirst for knowledge at the rest of the stuff you deem to be either right or wrong
the first step in a long quest for the truth
use your intellect and maybe learn something new ?
always remember though this is but one person the authors take on this
maybe based in fact maybe not
but its your right to question everything and prove or disprove everything its there for you if you open your mind to look
good luck
you now see how subtle it is to make someone look in the right direction too
all this applies in reality adverts religion governments all know how subtle they can be in getting others to do their bidding

so now its not a case of made you look ...its more made you think ...?

good luck on the new found way of thinking ..in your anger and distrust of us you looked for the answer to disprove ...thank you
proving my point of do not believe till its FACT

nowt more nowt less

TheJackel
8th August, 2010, 11:10 AM
No, that's an Urban Legend.

The Archers' V-sign: an urban legend - The V-sign - Icons of England (http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/the-v-sign/biography/the-anti-french-gesture)

I stand corrected nara thankyou.

nara
8th August, 2010, 11:24 AM
I stand corrected nara thankyou.

You are more than welcome.

Now what are we both doing here in a nutjob thread?

racin-snake
8th August, 2010, 11:39 AM
to learn ?
and nutjob thread ?
why do you say that ?
do you believe i am a nutjob ?
Noun: nutjob
A person who is regarded as eccentric or mad
- nutter [Brit], wacko, whacko, mentalist [Brit], nutbar [N. Amer], nutcake [US], wackjob [N. Amer], whackjob [N. Amer], basket case
Derived forms: nutjobs
Type of: dag [Austral, NZ], eccentric, eccentric person, flake, geek, oddball........as you see i can copy and paste too ..lol

is asking questions that foreign to you that you claim me mad ?
different people different mindsets
if we were all alike then what a utopia... lol
looking for the truth is not madness
if something is broken do you not find the answer to fix it ?
just like you did with the v sign post
you looked for the answer but for the wrong reason
but still you searched
so in all honesty ask yourself if i am a nutjob then......
nutjobs = the forward thinking
you what category are you in ?
because you have a look for the truth then you are pigeon holed as defective ?
in reality you have far to go insults and derogatory humour are far from funny
they show how shallow you have become
but last but not least
in a free world ..that claims to cater for everyone
have a look at what you think and why that is the case maybe then you will see who is the nutjob

a911
8th August, 2010, 06:49 PM
So what are we ganna do about it?!

Withdrew our money from the banks,,,turn of the TV,,, shut down the music,,,go into hunger strike,,,,,etc!

After reading most of the posts....and watching the videos,,,,I think I might become a Freemason...:rock:

If U can not beat them,,,join them...:banghead:

Will its nice to have freedom of speech,,,@least thru the:pcguru:!

Regdz a911

TheJackel
8th August, 2010, 07:01 PM
So what are we ganna do about it?!

Withdrew our money from the banks,,,turn of the TV,,, shut down the music,,,go into hunger strike,,,,,etc!

After reading most of the posts....and watching the videos,,,,I think I might become a Freemason...:rock:

If U can not beat them,,,join them...:banghead:

Will its nice to have freedom of speech,,,@least thru the:pcguru:!

Regdz a911

No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.

A couple of instances to mull over.
1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?

Like i say do some probing yourself you will be suprised what you will unearth from the internet, i know its not Trevor Mcdonut telling you or the scum newspaper but you will be able to make an educated opinion yourself.

z786
8th August, 2010, 07:07 PM
So what are we ganna do about it?!

Withdrew our money from the banks,,,turn of the TV,,, shut down the music,,,go into hunger strike,,,,,etc!

After reading most of the posts....and watching the videos,,,,I think I might become a Freemason...:rock:

If U can not beat them,,,join them...:banghead:

Will its nice to have freedom of speech,,,@least thru the:pcguru:!

Regdz a911

jus goes to show you how dependant you are on them

Cronus
8th August, 2010, 08:35 PM
No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.

A couple of instances to mull over.
1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?

Like i say do some probing yourself you will be suprised what you will unearth from the internet, i know its not Trevor Mcdonut telling you or the scum newspaper but you will be able to make an educated opinion yourself.

1) Oil
2) The ?3 trillion worth of untapped minerals in Afghanistan
3) There never was one. It was a false flag event to microchip the population with very-small RFID chips included in the swine flu vaccine

z786
8th August, 2010, 09:46 PM
1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?


1. Iraq was the closest rogue country to israel, cant have a threat to israel present, only 1 left is Iran

2. Needed an Airbase and Port to invade Iraq, America is too far away to keep travelling with bombs, army etc

3. As my friend above me has said

irfy
8th August, 2010, 11:24 PM
If anyone out there knows how to find out if you've been TAGGED Pls let us know.

Herbie
9th August, 2010, 08:58 AM
There never was one. It was a false flag event to microchip the population with very-small RFID chips included in the swine flu vaccine


:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: :

nara
9th August, 2010, 09:01 AM
:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::

He's always good for a laugh. :top:

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 11:38 AM
prove him wrong ?
cmon Nara whats your take on the whole thing
or will that maybe take more than one line ?
debunkers need facts to debunk
mockery and so on does not cut it ...in fact its even more thoughtless than you think the position of the other guy
consistantly you copy and paste a few lines and yet you support none of the actual questions ?
i have shown you that when the facts are wrong you search for the answer
and as you have seen people will admit there facts have been refuted
yet you will engage a conversation with two lines and a smiley
cmon man if you think your better disprove any of the points in question
join the debate and engage the subject .....
chroma has his line for his concepts and beliefs
wheres yours ?
cos your freinds say its wrong its wrong ?
nope ..
i do not agree ......the word sheep springs to mind

thered
9th August, 2010, 11:41 AM
No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.


i dont but where have you gotten your information from


either books,tv,internet or newspapers im guessing


you choose what to believe and what not too thats not being educated not everything in life is a smokescreen as some people seem to make out

i have read books and watched people like david icke out of curiosity the more i read the dumber it all gets its all madcap theories based on signs and relations i have a mate who is now brainwashed by it all (he just been to watch icke a few weeks ago) and tbh he starting to get on my t*ts with all the crap he spouts

he is blinded by everything when you make an example of something all i get is thats what they want you to believe or thats because im brainwashed to thinking that way we have been brainwashed since school and only learn what our teachers told us and they all learned it from whoever and we are just programmed like it


you will not change your views and there are yours to keep i have tried to see the world from that perspective and i dont agree with it its my opinion and i think its bollox but i have at least tried and i have been open minded about it

no doubt there are things that are dubious but it doesnt mean we are living in a trueman style show and its all fake

in this world of yours where we are programmed by tv and media coverage why are tv stations allowed to show programs about say 9/11,the moon landings,roswell and diana's death,freemasons and the illuminati ect

after all they give an unnoficial conspiracy style view promoting government corruption which surely they wouldnt allow would they if the control the media?

and why let so called truth tellers makey money off people doing gigs surely they should be underground events in a country of puppets controlled by the illuminati yet they are not the even make money out of the people who are "bright enough" to listen

opening your eyes is fair enough but only focusing on one way is worse

thered
9th August, 2010, 11:50 AM
1. Iraq was the closest rogue country to israel, cant have a threat to israel present, only 1 left is Iran

2. Needed an Airbase and Port to invade Iraq, America is too far away to keep travelling with bombs, army etc

3. As my friend above me has said

you are clutching at straws here for reasons


needed an airbases ffs to invade iraq why we still there then?



like i said in an earlier post its all theory and thoughts you are believing its your choice but i suppose you know better than i do

thered
9th August, 2010, 11:51 AM
1) Oil
2) The ?3 trillion worth of untapped minerals in Afghanistan
3) There never was one. It was a false flag event to microchip the population with very-small RFID chips included in the swine flu vaccine

sources please

nara
9th August, 2010, 11:55 AM
sources please

You've got to be kidding! :rofl:

nara
9th August, 2010, 11:56 AM
cmon Nara whats your take on the whole thing
or will that maybe take more than one line ?


I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc.

That should be more than one line.(well it did after I edited it.)



debunkers need facts to debunk


There you go again, completely ar*e over t*t.

The onus of proof is on those who propose a theory, not those who oppose it.

You're the one with the theory m8, not me.

thered
9th August, 2010, 12:07 PM
i have other ways of finding the truth for myself, these vids wer easier to show you

rather than face the questions, when you dont have anything to prove me wrong, you just say "so what" that just make you look even more clueless

so wat do you use to research? the tv or the newspapers? lol

have you seen the film "national treasure"?

in it he discusses a treasure the knights templars smuggled to europe, a treasure too great for 1 man alone

can you tell me what that was?

and yes walt disney has very strong links with masons which i can prove beyond reasonable doubt

i just wont waste my time as you have your mind made up.

you make sure you stay hip ok lol



have you watched E.T.?


ffs you mock people for being blinkered but you are basing your theorys on kids films and disney

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 12:08 PM
good to see you gave looking for answers a go
but is not a case of brainwashing and mind control that is my thinking
i do not believe the facts till its proven
why in the hell should i believe the goverments line ?
all the places you have refered to for information are all there are the internet, books , or television
heaven forbid take it word of mouth
ime not in any way telling anyone that the arrivals or david ike are the be all and end all
just informing the posibilities of using constructive thought to make your own mind up
search for the facts then make a decision on that
in my oppinion using the media and newspapers and so on have a tendency to bring you to the wrong conclusions
debate and dialogue are necesary to find truth and therefore worthwhile
i personally do not force any kind of doctrine on anyone
just remind them that ..look at everything and give merit to whats you deem is right

in so far as if someone said a certain game was crap
you deemed it to be good
would you then ask them why ?
and what they think could be improved ?
simple as this theory is its just a case of turn it round to your own life
look at the picture and then make your decision
nothing more than this
just look at the full picture and then the conclusion you come to is your conclusion not anyone elses .....therefore if its not influenced by anyone else its a conclusion deduced by yourself for yourself
simple theory not a full on agenda as to whether theres a brainwashing ,mind control agenda

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 12:21 PM
how then can you debunk and engage a theory when you have nothing with which to debunk ?
again whos arse over tit
i think the process defies you you are banned from every where else
probably for causing trouble or your mindless rantings
but if you cannot dis prove a theory then why engage the conversation?
to debunk it with laughter ?
if you cannot disprove my theory then why are you heartset on trying to engage
provide facts of why when and how pall then you might be taken seriosly
till then maybe a few lines and a copy and paste to maybe look better ?
shallow man
disprove then say your piece till then why engage ?
the burden of proof is with both sides of a debate
or there would be no debate
dont you see ?

even chroma is admitting this :
[QUOTE\]Like i said there is absoloutly no need for a defendant to produce evidence, you can get away with murder by keeping silent or discrediting the prosecutions evidence.[QUOTE\]

this is not concievable without providing evidence to the contrary.....(or discrediting the prosecutions evidence.)
more a case of what you see is not entirely what you in fact get
STAYING SILENT MAY HARM YOUR DEFECE IF SOMETHING YOU LATER RELY ON IN COURT
look read aquire the knowledge to see the full picture ........

thered
9th August, 2010, 12:47 PM
search for the facts then make a decision on that



i havent seen any yet just mumbo jumbo in this thread about signs and stuff on jayz records not by you personally but just in the thread


i cant quite actually believe that some people make so much much out of all this theory and peoples ideas

lets see proof not lets watch films and guess at stories and connections with people its loonacy

apparantly if you play the beatles revolution record backwards it makes a reference to an already dead paul mcartney who has already died in 1967 or whatever it was

what do things like this prove

anyways the point im trying to make in this thread is show me some evidence not guesswork on what or what not people are doing or not doing and freemasonry

thered
9th August, 2010, 01:01 PM
anyways i forgot just another point for the people who look into everything and decide that they are all in it together because the are all related/bloodlones ect

i decided to search myself this morning took about 20 mins


being a ferguson i decided to look at the family history and found that the fergusons and offshoots of the ferguson clan are decended from fergus of gallway hence the name fergus-son as in son of fergus most descendants and translations have lost the double ss nowadays and use one s

anyways fergus of gallway was robert the bruces great great grandad and robert the bruces bloodlines run right through to at least the tudors then i got bored looking


anyways point is i am in the royal bloodline too spookey eh


so if you dig deep enough you will make connections but it doesnt make all this NWO true does it


but then again i would say that wouldnt i im one of them now lol

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 01:34 PM
bloodlines ...mmmm
every time a child is born the bloodline splits two ways but most only take the paternal name to follow on
so in fact its not accurate as to speak of the fuller picture would suggest
genes are split every time
the argument as stated from some is
that these people try to manufacture through breeding that the bloodline stays as pure as posible
so thats why i sugest the theory is founded on
royals cannot marry comoners ect
only other royalty ....see the thinking?
there fore there bloodline is preserved .
common people like us do not
thus you may have decendents supposedly related but so diluted its not in fact traceable
so if you look the royalty have a good degree on historic fact of the fraternity of their bloodline
us however have things like iligitimacy and so on to contend with
so accuracy is compromised
i appreciate your effort in looking though
it shows you are in the frame of mind to give the notion that all that deems worth finding is worth the looking
the problem i have is that most folk will not deem it a viable concept to question the facts presented
shame really
its worth every single minute or hour to see the arguments on both sides then make what you deem to be the facts as .....your own theory

not just one forced or suggested

IMHO......looking for the truth is in fact the only way you can be sure you are informed in your way denying the speculation based on what you learn as to what you have been told
extremeists on all sides use this ignorance to either distort or refute the truths
you on the other hand have an option of making your mind up by seeing the facts and then
producing your take on the whole thing
doctrination is mind control
look at the stuff you dont agree with first see why your doughts are founded then and only then make your mind up
no agenda , just a simple procces of finding out wether you are being decieved or not
before ya buy it try it
or research
if people kept their minds as sacred as their money ?
then you would look before ya bought into something ....


as for Nara : I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc.

ha ha ha ha lol..............see you prove your are educated ? and my friend you ARE an intelecual lol
go find a basis for your concepts come back with an argument till then save your inane drivell its humourles tripe and i am amazed you have the audacity to say this in public
shows you up for what you are mate ....i have to say is a shame too ...as i see you have many fiends here and on dw that would show you are as clever as you think you are ......
save your nonsence ...find facts ...at least when you did that you became tollerable and viable

thered
9th August, 2010, 02:04 PM
bloodlines ...mmmm
every time a child is born the bloodline splits two ways but most only take the paternal name to follow on
so in fact its not accurate as to speak of the fuller picture would suggest
genes are split every time
the argument as stated from some is
that these people try to manufacture through breeding that the bloodline stays as pure as posible
so thats why i sugest the theory is founded on
royals cannot marry comoners ect
only other royalty ....see the thinking?
there fore there bloodline is preserved .
common people like us do not
thus you may have decendents supposedly related but so diluted its not in fact traceable
so if you look the royalty have a good degree on historic fact of the fraternity of their bloodline
us however have things like iligitimacy and so on to contend with
so accuracy is compromised
i appreciate your effort in looking though
it shows you are in the frame of mind to give the notion that all that deems worth finding is worth the looking
the problem i have is that most folk will not deem it a viable concept to question the facts presented
shame really
its worth every single minute or hour to see the arguments on both sides then make what you deem to be the facts as .....your own theory

not just one forced or suggested

IMHO......looking for the truth is in fact the only way you can be sure you are informed in your way denying the speculation based on what you learn as to what you have been told
extremeists on all sides use this ignorance to either distort or refute the truths
you on the other hand have an option of making your mind up by seeing the facts and then
producing your take on the whole thing
doctrination is mind control
look at the stuff you dont agree with first see why your doughts are founded then and only then make your mind up
no agenda , just a simple procces of finding out wether you are being decieved or not
before ya buy it try it
or research
if people kept their minds as sacred as their money ?
then you would look before ya bought into something ....


that was my point tbh re bloodlines one of the main things that people talk about is about the USA presidents all being related to each other and the queen ect and how they use there bloodlines too control the masses

in the main they are all very very distant relations much the same as me only difference is that when these david icke people spout there stuff they make it out that its something special

when in truth like you said its just diluted and means nothing


with regards to royal bloodlines i dont think all royals marry royals but they do normally marry the well to do and not the common man


but tbh if i were king or even just a millionaire i wouldnt want me son or daughter marrying someone off say a council estate would you?

i would hardly say its protecting bloodlines its more about protecting and maybe even increasing the wealth


as of yet a bit like ghosts when i see something concrete i will believe it but trying to read between lines isnt evidence as some people seem to think


im not saying that everything that goes on is gospel i have doubts on many things but i think the NWO,freemasonary and the reptillian bloodlines ect are all a bit hollywood for me

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 02:17 PM
i would hardly say its protecting bloodlines its more about protecting and maybe even increasing the wealth

EXACTLY ...and therefore worth the watching dont ya think ?

power and money corrupt ...FACT .
looking based on this fact alone provides an agenda a conspiracy dont ya think
on a grander scale pehaps perhaps not ?
but in both directions a concept maybe a FACT
the real problem is how and why this affects us
do you see this reasoning

in no way am i sugesting you submit to my way of thinking
but if and when you look for yourself
there is an elitist conspiracy ...
illuminati and bloodlines are just concepts of this theory
what levell ..i will leave that for yourself to decide
...............

TheJackel
9th August, 2010, 03:29 PM
No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.

A couple of instances to mull over.
1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?

Like i say do some probing yourself you will be suprised what you will unearth from the internet, i know its not Trevor Mcdonut telling you or the scum newspaper but you will be able to make an educated opinion yourself.

@thered well have you had time to mull my questions over yet mate and if so what did you come up with?

I dont go in for all the reptilian agenda either or alot of the signs and symbols, but have watched numerous documentaries on them and have taken what i needed from them, as i do with most of my reading and research.

@ nara come on mate your going to have do better than this lol.

thered
9th August, 2010, 04:36 PM
@thered well have you had time to mull my questions over yet mate and if so what did you come up with?

I dont go in for all the reptilian agenda either or alot of the signs and symbols, but have watched numerous documentaries on them and have taken what i needed from them, as i do with most of my reading and research.

@ nara come on mate your going to have do better than this lol.

just seen em today m8

and for what its worth why if i watch something is it propaganda and bullshit but if you watch something its the truth


your right you took what you wanted to hear


i always thought there wasnt wmd in iraq i think we shouldnt be in afghanistan i think there maybe a few diseases that may be man made for medicine companies to make millions

but that doesnt mean that masonic halls are full of master puppeteers secretly controling the masses


find me some proof not hearsay

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 04:52 PM
find it yourself ?
its in your interest not to rely on others "hearsay" isnt it ?
maybe then your outlook may still be a lot different
but it will be an educated theory not a guess
cant you see my point ?
ime not saying believe me
ime saying have a look find your own info take whats fact and disolve the fiction
you are in this debate for a reason ....
if thats correct then you are looking for the truth already
wandering through life accepting the inevitable is a wasted oppertunity
thats why i do not deny anyone from their own thoughts
just asking why these are so ?
and in the procces trying to get a reasoning
for everyone to take the effort to look

its a thing most will not take any incentive to try

look see the bigger picture
if theres nothing there then in your particuliar case then your assumption is an educated one

damping someone elses theories are then based on facts as you see them
no one is telling you anything .....you yourself are looking and the input is then relatively unpoluted
see both sides .....it makes debate a real possibility to get the right conclusions in your particuliar case
as ive said before ...my thoughts and theories are always expanding as facts are gathered and proccesed to come to an educated conclusion

its your right your choice yor conclusions
safe in the fact they are YOURS

RACIN-SNAKE

outraged
9th August, 2010, 04:56 PM
I am puzzled:hmmmm:

I don't think you're the only one.

thered
9th August, 2010, 05:12 PM
i would hardly say its protecting bloodlines its more about protecting and maybe even increasing the wealth

EXACTLY ...and therefore worth the watching dont ya think ?

power and money corrupt ...FACT .
looking based on this fact alone provides an agenda a conspiracy dont ya think
on a grander scale pehaps perhaps not ?
but in both directions a concept maybe a FACT
the real problem is how and why this affects us
do you see this reasoning

in no way am i sugesting you submit to my way of thinking
but if and when you look for yourself
there is an elitist conspiracy ...
illuminati and bloodlines are just concepts of this theory
what levell ..i will leave that for yourself to decide
...............


in a word no..

money corrupts everyone m8 who is honest with it?

show me a builder who hasnt dodged the tax man a bit,does every driving instructor declare his cash sales its not just the elite who protect there cash everyone does it doesnt mean its a hidden agenda

as with royals protecting the cash and the rich and famous why not a lot of celebs have pre nups to protect from gold diggers and why not

i would too if i were in the same situation the rich have got more to lose and are easy targets for gold diggers

a rich man will never truly know if his wife likes him or his cash so marrying the well off is a sensible one in my eyes not a masterplan

money is not just an eliteist thing either there are hundreds of self made millionaires in the uk proving that you dont need to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth to make cash

a good idea a bit of luck and a lot of hard work can make anyone millions we should maybe try instead of wasting the days moaning about it lol


its all 4 in the morning smashed talk IMO

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 05:32 PM
in my case i dont want to have millions ?
i do not think it would make me a better person
(personally aint a big thing with me )
money in this case ie millionairs is trivial
what the guys on top are talking is serious wealth ( trillions)

do not be deluded by the meaning of wealth millions are chump change to these people

in a way.. no comparison to your suggestion ...

they also have control of the economy ..FACT..
ask why do we have to buy oil in dollars ?
ask why all trade is done in dollars ?
serios wealth mate
and in your words they hold on to it tightly
seriously tight
think about cash not declared for instance ?
then think if there was no cash?
then think what it means to have electronic money?
problem of cash in hand and tax evasion hapening .....
get it now ?

and who do the trillion dollar defence contracts go to ?
who finances war (an enormous money maker )?
think ....and look mate
then ask what would you do to protect that ?

then have a look on the list of supposed illuminati families
google each one see what they make and own
then revisit what you have came to the conclusion before if it is still the same ...fine
but i do think it will open your eyes

TheJackel
9th August, 2010, 06:18 PM
just seen em today m8

and for what its worth why if i watch something is it propaganda and bullshit but if you watch something its the truth

Who said that mate?

your right you took what you wanted to hear

No i took what made sense to me.


i always thought there wasnt wmd in iraq i think we shouldnt be in afghanistan i think there maybe a few diseases that may be man made for medicine companies to make millions

3 out of 3 so you know what we are being told at times is bullsh8t from the media?

but that doesnt mean that masonic halls are full of master puppeteers secretly controling the masses

I agree 100%

find me some proof not hearsay

Find your own proof mate, i can give you some pointers if you want though.

thered
9th August, 2010, 06:33 PM
in my case i dont want to have millions ?
i do not think it would make me a better person
(personally aint a big thing with me )
money in this case ie millionairs is trivial
what the guys on top are talking is serious wealth ( trillions)

do not be deluded by the meaning of wealth millions are chump change to these people

in a word no comparison to your suggestion ...

they also have control of the economy ..FACT..
ask why do we have to buy oil in dollars ?
ask why all trade is done in dollars ?
serios weakth mate
and in your word hold on to it tightly
seriously tight
and who do the trillion dollar defence contracts go to ?
who finances war (an enormous money maker )
think ....and look mate
then ask what would you do to protect that ?

i dont doubt some of it but who are the guys on top?

dont know why we buy oil in dollars but im guessing its probably something to do with the biggest world economy and biggest user of oil that uses them so its easier

and tbh if it was ??????'s there would be no doubt something sinister in it


as for war contracts i couldnt say who they go too but im sure some of ours are foriegn but regardless of this i dont see what it proves i am no great fan of war especially in matters that dont concern us IMO but i think we should have the best defence the country can afford so if it means spending billions on nuclear subs for example then i agree BAE the maker of the current UK trident subs employ around 6000 people so yes it helps the economy too

and yes we finance wars with taxes its a bit 5hit but it has to be done what can you do i dont agree with some of it iraq/afganistan for instance but i do think we need a defence and it costs money regardless

we pay for wars with taxes,we pay our councils with taxes,we pay our nhs with taxes and we pay a massive welfare system with taxes

we print money too its common knowledge not conspiracy but if you keep printing money your currency is worthless so it needs to be payed back by us the taxpayer

the economy is a fact of life nowadays some people have a conception that you can just print more money and solve all problems but in truth that is the most deluded misconception i have ever heard i remember asking the same thing to my mother in junior school and she laughed at me

if printing money was the answer too eveything we would have nothing and we would be all back to chasing animals in fields with spears and living in mud huts

many people talk about how we are slaves to the system stuck in the rat race in a world of corruption used like puppets

the truth is we have never had it so good we have gadgets, tv ,internet ,cars, hospitals even ready peeled veg go back a few years the streets stunk of pi55 you got the plague and had no teeth and got a job in the workhouse at 6

and you know what we have to do in return ~~~~in nothing

sign on,get your housing benefit and your council tax benefit and your fortnightly cash and if your bad go to the doctor or hospital for free if your really lucky you may even find a dentist,become and alchi or drug addict if you want you will get more cash of the state

its hardly the work of a secret society hell bent on greed and world domination is it?

if all these people are still unhappy they could head for the highlands or something and live off the land hunting fishing and picking berries

or just moan about it and continue their lives exactly the same way which sort of makes you wonder why people talk about it because they aint doing anything about it

z786
9th August, 2010, 06:48 PM
im not basing anything on kids films, thats wat they are doin brainwashing your kids and you

surely i use the internet for my facts, but not the ones shoved in my face by the news and government

there is still free speech on the net but not for long

take the film Matrix, just a film?

mate your are plugged in2 their system, and the peoople plugged in2 the system will fight 2 protect it

in the film, who invented the matrix? The Great/Grand Architect?

what does the G in the masonic symbol stand for?

@nara

i garantee i have more friends than you,
what qualifications have you got?
maybe you need to get out abit more in2 the real world rather than let the TV tell you whats going on

z786
9th August, 2010, 06:49 PM
you are also still in iraq n afghanistan because they are STILL rogue countries and STILL a threat 2 israel

until you get them under control, i dont think you will leave

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 07:03 PM
i do something about it ...
i look at the big picture and search for answers
all of your arguments point me in a new direction
in the end we get a lot ?
you reckon its the mutts nuts ?
in your comfy life ?
so you do not dare to ask why ?
totalitarianism at its finest ..why complain?
then in your utopia your fine ?
while millions starve and thousands of millions have died in your name ?
for what you do not care to understand
come on ...ime allright ~~~~ the rest ?
this is why they get away with it
dont you see ?
you dont ask cos its not in your interest ...
wake up smell the coffee ...
do you think revolutions are built on 1 man ?
revolutions are built on thousands and millions of people demanding something
but in your cosy world ..it makes no sense to argue ?
how wrong is that ?
really how much of what you wrote do you really believe ?

i see you have posted a charity thing on your post
these charities serve one purpose
for the poor for the poor
why dont a big corporation just say ..there ya go mate here's the cash ?
why do actors, celebs and politicians all endorse these charities but give very little ?
endorsing charity is a PR stunt and most occasions a tax dodge
endorsement.. is giving without actually giving
look at band aid ...for the poor for the poor
if you want to give to charity ..by all means give
but question where its going and when
and if they do give to charity why advertise they have given anything ?

ask all of these questions its your right to ask questions

then look at the big picture ime not an anarchist by any shape or form ..i do not have to be ...
but i would like to be represented by someone picked by the people for the people
not someone on a payroll to some global corporation

and initially not a member of anything secretive in any way ...
hence my opposition to the masonic order this post was initially about ..
a realism that transparency is essential
do you now see where my point lies yet ?
as i cannot be any clearer
in my opinion...we are being cleverly deceived
i will leave the rest to fill in the gaps

money is power..power corrupts..absolute power corrupts absolutely

thered
9th August, 2010, 07:14 PM
im not basing anything on kids films, thats wat they are doin brainwashing your kids and you

surely i use the internet for my facts, but not the ones shoved in my face by the news and government

there is still free speech on the net but not for long

take the film Matrix, just a film?

mate your are plugged in2 their system, and the peoople plugged in2 the system will fight 2 protect it

in the film, who invented the matrix? The Great/Grand Architect?

what does the G in the masonic symbol stand for?

@nara

i garantee i have more friends than you,
what qualifications have you got?
maybe you need to get out abit more in2 the real world rather than let the TV tell you whats going on


sorry ok matrix is a 15 cert lol

nah sorry i couldnt resist but to base your arguements on fictional films is bizarre can they also dodge bullets these masons

as are the masonic symbols what do they honestly proove are all man utd fans devil worshippers or did they used to be pirates after all there is a devil and a ship on the badge

just because there is a film about something or a picture or a carving or a statue doesnt mean its a symbol or a clue to a secret world

and i dont know why people insist on throwing these theories together

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 07:27 PM
we dont they all o~~~~~p ..
and now your now beginning to make it absurd ..man u fans are not anything of the sort

i am not advocating they or anyone is devil worshipping
never have never will ..till proven correct based on fact

i base none of what i deem as fact from any film or any fictitious
source

but will continue to believe based on fact corruption and secret societies go hand in hand

you also suggest that there is nowt to worry about nowt going on?

wrong in so many variables ..

you aint even bothered to look why we buy in dollars and trade in this currency too

i may in fact find i have nowt to worry about either
till then i will look and search for the full story ...

if you are looking for answers look yourself
the facts are out there
the only thing i do say is look for yourself
make a conclusion based on your findings
no agenda just educate yourself and then see where it takes you

your asking the right questions here ..i cannot answer some as they are my deductions thus imposing my findings on you
i suggest its now time to seek your own answer your own way

good luck mate ...

z786
9th August, 2010, 07:47 PM
i dont mind mate, atleast i make you happy when you laugh at my posts, i'l jus leav u 2 make up your own mind, these films i use are jus an easier way to explain 2 u but obviosly u dont get the point

mayb 1 day it'l come across to you

flyingpig
9th August, 2010, 10:01 PM
Using the film with Nic Cage is a bit outrageous though.. As I said earlier, go and find out for yoursefl, go and join a local lodge, and get your own ideas.... You will see you are wrong.

Rather then rely on the films. Its like me watching the Buddy Holly story and not realising that there is poetic license in there.

racin-snake
9th August, 2010, 10:10 PM
no thank you

thered
10th August, 2010, 09:26 AM
we dont they all o~~~~~p ..
and now your now beginning to make it absurd ..man u fans are not anything of the sort

i am not advocating they or anyone is devil worshipping
never have never will ..till proven correct based on fact

i base none of what i deem as fact from any film or any fictitious
source

but will continue to believe based on fact corruption and secret societies go hand in hand

you also suggest that there is nowt to worry about nowt going on?

wrong in so many variables ..

you aint even bothered to look why we buy in dollars and trade in this currency too

i may in fact find i have nowt to worry about either
till then i will look and search for the full story ...

if you are looking for answers look yourself
the facts are out there
the only thing i do say is look for yourself
make a conclusion based on your findings
no agenda just educate yourself and then see where it takes you

your asking the right questions here ..i cannot answer some as they are my deductions thus imposing my findings on you
i suggest its now time to seek your own answer your own way

good luck mate ...


they o~~~~~p because you make them o~~~~~p not evrything in life is a jigsaw puzzle


i have read books,scored internet and watched loads of films on youtube ect and a few things on tv i am not convinced one bit


its mainly based on symbols and someones ideas on what they mean and why they are linked and bloodlines ect controling the world behind the scenes a theory in other words


but when things dont fit the edges are bitten off and they are forced into place the 20 different generations of bloodline arnt needed until the correct match comes along,

look at obama before the election he wasnt part of the so called "masterplan" they all said the he started to walk it and it all swung around now he's a mason an immigrant and he's related to other presidents keeping the conspiracy alive


conspiracy takes what it wants and ignores the rest it just keeps changing the goalposts to suit

racin-snake
10th August, 2010, 11:22 AM
jigsaw... great analogy ..
do you see repeated paterns in world affairs ?
do you see countries taken down by other countries ?
do all these affect us
all peices of a big jigsaw ....
also you are the one who has taken parts from everything
i asked a few questions
you covered one of these

so who takes bits and disgards the rest ?
i have looked at all the information (time limits the fuller investigation)
everyone has posted here
i have no real anecdotes bar the ones stated
i do not try to convince anyone of anything
read my posts and you will see that
i have asked questions never isinuating you believe me or giving anything as a doctrine
look and learn watch and read are all i advocate
have a look. i do not want to convince or coerse anyone
ime merely stating the intention of look before you buy into anything

no outlandish or religios theories ....just looking for the facts and as there are gaps i will look further
nowt intended to make anyone do anything exept look read and come to your own conclusion
but on the other hand
i forgot to say
its never ending .......every question opens another set of questions
so creating knowlege whether it be right wrong or indiferent
if you know the sides from all angles then
you can then argue the facts that you glean
did you see i have thanked the people posting for input i have deemed viable
and not the ones i deem to be a bit of a hit or miss
you could say thats my take on things ...
or you could say its like you claim ?
i take what i think is correct and not what i dont want to hear ?

its up to you to think and not to impose
and when you state something be prepared to hear their argument out
in simplicity
read and try to understand everything and what you dont understand you research
others play computer games and some get on doing other things
i like looking at the theories and looking for the facts
and the good thing is if we can listen to each others theories and so on
its enlightning and understands and compliments free thought
i may not agree with what they have to say but i like to think if i can comprehend it i have a better chance of findintg the
facts ......
no conspiracy agenda here ...just learning ......
humour and ridiculing is not a good way of conducting a debate its showing your more biased in one direction IMHO

thered
10th August, 2010, 04:40 PM
jigsaw... great analogy ..
do you see repeated paterns in world affairs ?
do you see countries taken down by other countries ?
do all these affect us
all peices of a big jigsaw ....
also you are the one who has taken parts from everything
i asked a few questions
you covered one of these

so who takes bits and disgards the rest ?
i have looked at all the information (time limits the fuller investigation)
everyone has posted here
i have no real anecdotes bar the ones stated
i do not try to convince anyone of anything
read my posts and you will see that
i have asked questions never isinuating you believe me or giving anything as a doctrine
look and learn watch and read are all i advocate
have a look. i do not want to convince or coerse anyone
ime merely stating the intention of look before you buy into anything

no outlandish or religios theories ....just looking for the facts and as there are gaps i will look further
nowt intended to make anyone do anything exept look read and come to your own conclusion
but on the other hand
i forgot to say
its never ending .......every question opens another set of questions
so creating knowlege whether it be right wrong or indiferent
if you know the sides from all angles then
you can then argue the facts that you glean
did you see i have thanked the people posting for input i have deemed viable
and not the ones i deem to be a bit of a hit or miss
you could say thats my take on things ...
or you could say its like you claim ?
i take what i think is correct and not what i dont want to hear ?

its up to you to think and not to impose
and when you state something be prepared to hear their argument out
in simplicity
read and try to understand verything and what you dont understand you research
others play computer games and some get on doing other things
i like looking at the theories and looking for the facts
and the good thing is if we can listen to each others theories and so on
its enlightning and understands and compliments free thought
i may not agree with what they have to say but i like to think if i can comprehend it i have a better chance of findintg the
facts ......
no conspiracy agenda here ...just learning ......
humour and ridiculing is not a good way of conducting a debate its showing your more biased in one direction IMHO


thing is i do find it interesting but as of yet i have still found very little substance to any of it


all i have is that there are a few links between things and the gaps are filled in by imaginations and theorys


they start wars they end wars they own the banks they protect israel they even stop electric cars ect ect


there is always a hidden agenda somewhere in reality the world cant be full of hidden agendas all the time some have to be wrong somewhere

if these wars are money making machines for instance why dont we have the full world at war again?

because what we are involved in at the minute is just loose pocket change compared to an all out battle


and by the way who does own these banks ?


and can i have a link please

racin-snake
10th August, 2010, 04:54 PM
1 source make up your own mind WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE? (http://www.rumormillnews.com/WHO_OWNS_FED.htm)
2=http://www.apfn.org/APFN/fed_reserve.htm
3=http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.htm
there are thousands more ...go on have a dig around

you might get a new piece for your jigsaw
or get a bit of fodder for thought ?
big subject for your first outing but what the hell have fun
but just remember ..if someone's trying to sell ya something are they gonna tell ya the yin or the yang ?

your call now mate ....enjoy

flyingpig
10th August, 2010, 06:55 PM
THe masons have taken over the I Fone as well, have a look at the 'App' Icon... It is code for the call of the masons as it is a dead ringer for the masonic emblem... They monitor your downloads, and it reports direct to each lodge what eveybody within their areas are downloading.

thered
10th August, 2010, 08:13 PM
THe masons have taken over the I Fone as well, have a look at the 'App' Icon... It is code for the call of the masons as it is a dead ringer for the masonic emblem... They monitor your downloads, and it reports direct to each lodge what eveybody within their areas are downloading.

:roflmao: they are into everything the little buggers

z786
10th August, 2010, 09:12 PM
the masons believ in the all seing eye = i
i phone
i pad
i book

and whats the logo?
The apple of temptation
given to adam n eve

yes, they are into evrything

flyingpig
10th August, 2010, 09:46 PM
Haha --- Now you are winding us up... lolol

z786
10th August, 2010, 10:52 PM
Haha --- Now you are winding us up... lolol

this is the co founder of apple inc.

Steve Wozniak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak)

go to section "personal life"
3rd paragraph

tell me what you see?

flyingpig
10th August, 2010, 11:15 PM
Yes, it alleges that he is a mason...But it also says he finished working for Apple in 1987...

There is a Wiki page that says I have slept with women such as Rachel Hunter and had the 6 spice girls in the pernthous at the Ritz hotel in London all in the same night.

z786
10th August, 2010, 11:18 PM
have you got a link 2 that page?

it doesnt allege, it is self proffesed

and as for you mate, you will only realise what is going on in the real world when pigs fly

have fun

flyingpig
10th August, 2010, 11:49 PM
Right game over --- You just read and believe --- at least I went to find out, and found out the truth.... You just read and believe if its suits your agenda..

An the reason its game over is, its not self professed at all --- it is written in the 3rd person (he never wrote it) -- It has a reference against it (29) when you look at the list it is another book --- thirdly any academic will tell you, you cannot believe Wiki or even quote it in any form of scholarly work.

And so what if he is a mason -- what does it matter---??

flyingpig
10th August, 2010, 11:58 PM
Off to bed, as the Knights Templar are planning the final phase of world domination tomorrow, but them pesky imbecilles are getting in the way....

z786
10th August, 2010, 11:59 PM
i have no agenda mate

the link to sidenote 29 was this Steve Wozniak (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/wozniak_s/wozniak_s.html)

which tells the date he was initiated and into which lodge

the reason why it matters is the i-phone, i-pad etc.

is aimed to represent the 1 eye

hence where this started from

z786
11th August, 2010, 12:29 AM
jus outta curiosity, ur not a freemason are you?
seem pretty angry evrytime some1 says anythin bad about them

racin-snake
11th August, 2010, 12:49 AM
Right game over --- You just read and believe --- at least I went to find out, and found out the truth.... You just read and believe if its suits your agenda..

already ?
youve came to these concusions ,read everything in this time ...your real good mate honestly ..too good for us mere men lol

Off to bed, as the Knights Templar are planning the final phase of world domination tomorrow, but them pesky imbecilles are getting in the way....

ok mate just wonderin though ?
i dont think you can go to bed again you havnt woken up yet
saying that you may be extremely tired doing all that research all in this tiny space of time

k then ..goodnight ..sleep tight

z786
11th August, 2010, 01:02 AM
hes a freemason

why would he say off to bed, Knights Templar are planning the final phase of world domination tomorrow

is he suggesting he is part of them??

hence the posts he makes are biased, i think he has an agenda

chroma
11th August, 2010, 01:10 AM
Woz actualy IS a mason.
So are several million other people.

He's actualy a nice guy, extermely humble and down to earth, Ive met him beefore and it was awesome, we talked about the homebew computer club and of all things computer piracy.

He's no longer active with his lodge though, as far as i can tell. As for why? i dunno you would have to ask him, im certain he'd take the time out to answer you though, like i said hes a nice guy and one of the few celebrities ive ever met that didnt act like an asshole.

Someone i have a genuine respect for, and so what if hes a mason, being a mason != being a bad person.

I could rhyme off an entire list of famous masons, but the only thing it would prove was that they're masons, nothing more, nothing less.

racin-snake
11th August, 2010, 01:11 AM
if thats the case hes better than the cia ...he makes us think hes stupid lol

its ~~~~in working dont knock it ....


sincerely and fraternally

racin-snake
11th August, 2010, 01:51 AM
UK

In England and Wales, whose Supreme Council was warranted by that of the Northern Jurisdiction of the USA (in 1845)[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#cite_note-35), the Rite is known colloquially as the "Rose Croix" or more formally as "The Ancient and Accepted Rite for England and Wales and its Districts and Chapters Overseas" (continental European jurisdictions retain the "?cossais"). The only local bodies are Rose Croix Chapters; many degrees are conferred in name only, and degrees beyond the 18? are conferred only by the Supreme Council itself.
In England, the candidate is perfected in the 18th degree with the preceding degrees awarded in name only. Continuing to the 30th degree is restricted to those who have served in the chair of the Chapter. Elevation beyond the 30th degree is as in Scotland.
In Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland), candidates are perfected in the 18th degree, with the preceding degrees awarded in name only. A minimum of a two-year interval is required before continuing to the 30th degree, again with the intervening degrees awarded by name only. Elevation beyond that is by invitation only, and numbers are severely restricted


Degree Number Southern Jurisdiction[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#cite_note-30) Northern Jurisdiction[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#cite_note-31) 4? Secret Master Master Traveler 5? Perfect Master 6? Intimate Secretary Master of the Brazen Serpent 7? Provost and Judge 8? Intendant of the Building 9? Elu of the Nine Master of the Temple 10? Elu of the Fifteen Master Elect[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#cite_note-32) 11? Elu of the Twelve Sublime Master Elected 12? Master Architect Grand Master Architect 13? Royal Arch of Solomon Master of the Ninth Arch 14? Perfect Elu Grand Elect Mason 15? Knight of the East, or
Knight of the Sword, or
Knight of the Eagle Knight of the East, or
Knight of the Sword 16? Prince of Jerusalem 17? Knight of the East and West 18? Knight Rose Croix Knight of the Rose Croix de Heredom Council of Kadosh 19? Grand Pontiff 20? Master of the Symbolic Lodge Master ad Vitam 21? Noachite, or
Prussian Knight Patriarch Noachite 22? Knight of the Royal Axe, or
Prince of Libanus Prince of Libanus 23? Chief of the Tabernacle 24? Prince of the Tabernacle Brother of the Forest 25? Knight of the Brazen Serpent Master of Achievement 26? Prince of Mercy, or
Scottish Trinitarian Friend and Brother Eternal[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#cite_note-33) 27? Knight of the Sun, or
Prince Adept Knight of Jerusalem 28? Knight Commander of the Temple Knight of the Sun, or
Prince Adept 29? Scottish Knight of Saint Andrew Knight of Saint Andrew 30? Knight Kadosh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Kadosh), or
Knight of the White and Black Eagle Grand Inspector 31? Inspector Inquisitor Knight Aspirant 32? Master of the Royal Secret Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 33? Inspector General In the United States, members of the Scottish Rite can be elected to receive the 33? by the Supreme Council. It is conferred on members who have made major contributions to society or to Masonry in general. In the Southern Jurisdiction, a member who has been a 32? Scottish Rite Mason for 46 months or more is eligible to be elected to receive the "rank and decoration" of Knight Commander of the Court of Honour (K.C.C.H.) in recognition of outstanding service. After 46 months as a K.C.C.H. he is then eligible to be elected to the 33rd degree.[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite#cite_note-34) In the Northern Jurisdiction, there is only one 46-month requirement for eligibility to receive the 33rd degree, and while there is a Meritorious Service Award (as well as a Distinguished Service Award), they are not required intermediate steps towards the 33?. A recipient of the 33rd Degree is an honorary member of the Supreme Council and is therefore called an "Inspector General Honorary." However, those who are appointed Deputies of the Supreme Council that are later elected to membership on the Supreme Council are then designated "Sovereign Grand Inspectors General." In the Northern Jurisdiction a recipient of the 33rd Degree is an honorary member of the Supreme Council, and all members are referred to as a "Sovereign Grand Inspectors General."

racin-snake
11th August, 2010, 04:28 AM
The Secret Behind Secret Societies (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4774360285024764342#docid=-2160094907987814918)

food for thought ?

also ..bit religios but worth the effort ?
The Secret Behind Secret Societies (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4774360285024764342#)

thered
11th August, 2010, 11:11 AM
the masons believ in the all seing eye = i
i phone
i pad
i book

and whats the logo?
The apple of temptation
given to adam n eve

yes, they are into evrything

ever thought that the i might mean i as in me/mine its more plausible to me

why so much emphasis on making things stick together ?


what about the eye toy ? anything sinister in that it was invented by richard marks

and to me the all seeing eye is just a religious belief like a god watching down from heaven

if you go to turkey you will see a lot of these sort of eyes in gift shops ect if you talk to the turkish people and you get one the eye watchs over you and makes sure no harm comes to you and they also bring you luck

the eye of fatima i believe its called


you may see it as something different but i just see it for what it is a superstition and a good luck charm like a bracelet or a rabbits foot

z786
11th August, 2010, 11:39 AM
funny you should mention Fatima's hand

Hamsa hands often contain an eye symbol. Depictions of the hand, the eye is related to warding off the evil eye

the evil all seing eye, we believe to be the anti-christ

i am not trying to make anything stick together, they do it for themselves

you do not understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many of them are so hopelessly dependant on the system that they will fight to protect it

:D

thered
11th August, 2010, 11:53 AM
1 source make up your own mind WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE? (http://www.rumormillnews.com/WHO_OWNS_FED.htm)
2=http://www.apfn.org/APFN/fed_reserve.htm
3=http://www.usagold.com/federalreserve.htm
there are thousands more ...go on have a dig around

you might get a new piece for your jigsaw
or get a bit of fodder for thought ?
big subject for your first outing but what the hell have fun
but just remember ..if someone's trying to sell ya something are they gonna tell ya the yin or the yang ?

your call now mate ....enjoy

thanks i have had a read and btw the first one i have seen before


still not convinced im afraid and the main reason is that these things are just put together to suit

the people who come up with the theories have linked people in power together to suit with the theory of the iiluminati/13 satanic bloodlines or whatver you want to call them

13 being a number they like any one else who they need to fit to the theory becomes just an interconnnected family not a main one

major players in economy and finance are always going to be linked together doesnt mean its sinister takeovers happen all the time for example business's main objectives are to get rid of rivals ect by buying them out

loads of big companies own different companies doing different things working under different names as different branches of commerce most of these so called players you suggest made their money in the industrial revolution

people like rockefeller were in the right places at the time making money from oil and trains both lucky and a good businessman at a time when industry and wealth were an emerging to unseen levels you no longer had to be part of an aristocracy to be well off

these figures of the time rothchilds rokerfellers ect were big financial players at this particular time so have been linked with other families to this idea of a NWO when in fact over the years thier wealth and bloodlines have actually gotten smaller and more diluted

the ideas of all this conspiracy is if we can make it fit we will use it if not we will discard it


i find the ideas intriguing but the substance shoddy at best

racin-snake
11th August, 2010, 05:16 PM
superb matey ..at least you have looked ...
your conclusion for your own theory
its interesting that if you look then even if you deem it all to fit
although some doesnt (for you)
obviosly some will
and same names ..secret societys ..same names which all adds up to something i think (personaly) needs to be looked at
secret societys in general due to the upper echelons being wealthy and powerfull men
but hey all that you have seen has made sense to you ..then fine
skull and bones, freemasons ,trilateral commision, knights of malta ,and so on ....
are these then a power broker organisation
seems to me in the real world coincidence is really taken with a pinch of salt ...
due to the fact it has to be IMHO
not just the other sides point of view .....just a question of interest intrigue or paranoia as some may say
none the less if you look you can then make an educated decision
dont look and your looking at those imposed upon you ....

i hope in all honesty you came out of the whole thing with something valuable
a bit more information than you did before

flyingpig
11th August, 2010, 07:19 PM
First off - I am a mason --- But I show no anger at all --- Just amazement.

I was intrigued but not scared. I had heard all this stuff so I went to speak to people, family members etc, then joined. Being a Mason does not make you bad. We are not taking over the world, we are not into everything. I can say I learnt loads from it, and it helped me personally.

nara
11th August, 2010, 07:49 PM
First off - I am a mason --- But I show no anger at all --- Just amazement.

I was intrigued but not scared. I had heard all this stuff so I went to speak to people, family members etc, then joined. Being a Mason does not make you bad. We are not taking over the world, we are not into everything. I can say I learnt loads from it, and it helped me personally.

It's no use pleading innocence: racin-snake has the FACTS.

racin-snake
11th August, 2010, 07:54 PM
ha ha ha ha ..rolf

where did you get this from mr 1 liner lol

tell you what... think of more than 1 line and tell us what you think
till then i will ignore you for the idiot you seem to be
in all accounts ......get a grip ...lol
1 line drivell backed up 100% by nothing ...lol

Cronus
11th August, 2010, 09:49 PM
Here's something a bit weird I found.

Just go to this website Pritoz.com, Legends, funshirts, t-shirts, longsleeves, shirts, vette shirts, tshirts, girlys, 80's, leype, heroes, sports, retro, etc. Design, shirts bedrukken, t-shirts bedrukken, leype, vette, toffe, coole, shirtjes (http://www.pritoz.com/)

Top right next to the shopping cart there is a masonic logo,just click it and see where it takes you to.

If you can't be bothered then it takes you here denethgilnE eht fo emoH - airavaB fo sreeS detanimullI tneicnA - itanimulli eht fo redrO (http://www.illuminatiorder.info/krad/)

There's more though...

Click on the eye of the pyramid and it takes you to a not existing any more nasa site. and clicking on the icons at the bottom of the pyramid take you to a password protected site.

I even found other Dutch topics about this website being linked to occult weird secret societies and to the FreeMasons and even Templar Knights and Illuminati.

Anyway,to top it all off I've found out the password for the site.

If anyone is interested and wants to browse around the site then I'll post it.

(I don't know if its against any rules to just post it up thats all)

z786
12th August, 2010, 01:21 AM
as you can also notice, theres a jayz t-shirt for sale saying "do as thou wilt" from the famous book wrote by alstair crowley

but obviosly we are jus making all this up, and alstair crowley had nothing 2 do with masonry....NOT lol

can i hav the pass plz :D

Cronus
12th August, 2010, 07:06 AM
The password is namuh

Human backwards.

nara
12th August, 2010, 07:48 AM
The password is namuh

Human backwards.

That must be a really secret site! :listen:

Cronus
13th August, 2010, 01:03 AM
That must be a really secret site! :listen:

More than you'll ever know mate,its a pity you don't understand.

Won't be long now old man till you can go back to your comfort zone. Isn't your month ban finished on the 16th?

Enjoy yourself till then. :celticparty:

thered
13th August, 2010, 10:12 AM
Here's something a bit weird I found.

Just go to this website Pritoz.com, Legends, funshirts, t-shirts, longsleeves, shirts, vette shirts, tshirts, girlys, 80's, leype, heroes, sports, retro, etc. Design, shirts bedrukken, t-shirts bedrukken, leype, vette, toffe, coole, shirtjes (http://www.pritoz.com/)

Top right next to the shopping cart there is a masonic logo,just click it and see where it takes you to.

If you can't be bothered then it takes you here denethgilnE eht fo emoH - airavaB fo sreeS detanimullI tneicnA - itanimulli eht fo redrO (http://www.illuminatiorder.info/krad/)

There's more though...

Click on the eye of the pyramid and it takes you to a not existing any more nasa site. and clicking on the icons at the bottom of the pyramid take you to a password protected site.

I even found other Dutch topics about this website being linked to occult weird secret societies and to the FreeMasons and even Templar Knights and Illuminati.

Anyway,to top it all off I've found out the password for the site.

If anyone is interested and wants to browse around the site then I'll post it.

(I don't know if its against any rules to just post it up thats all)

seems like you clutching at straws links to nasa ect but i did find this

http://freemasonory

z786
13th August, 2010, 05:03 PM
i think theres alot of masons on here
by any chance, wat degrees r u lot
and do u actually knw wat the real plan is?

????????

why have you jus copied n pasted wat i said at the beginning of this thread?

Helicopterrob
14th August, 2010, 09:15 AM
Hello,, I am late to this party but this mysterious site:

If you can't be bothered then it takes you here denethgilnE eht fo emoH - airavaB fo sreeS detanimullI tneicnA - itanimulli eht fo redrO (http://www.illuminatiorder.info/krad/)

Well for all the mystery simply spelling in reverse seems a bit shall we say low tech ???

nara
14th August, 2010, 09:24 AM
Well for all the mystery simply spelling in reverse seems a bit shall we say low tech ???

...as is the thinking in this thread. It helps draw in the gullible though. Anything more complicated would defeat them at the first hurdle.

Cronus
14th August, 2010, 11:55 AM
Well for all the mystery simply spelling in reverse seems a bit shall we say low tech ???

For the significance of the reverse writing I suggest you do some research on Aleister Crowley.

z786
14th August, 2010, 05:14 PM
...as is the thinking in this thread. It helps draw in the gullible though. Anything more complicated would defeat them at the first hurdle.

as would writing more than one sentence would defeat you :D

by the way, jus to even save you writin them 1 liners, no1 pays much atention 2 u

abit sad i reckon

have you managed to get out from behind ur computer yet and got some fresh air? maybe some friends? no? oh ok, let us knw how u get on

nara
14th August, 2010, 05:23 PM
as would writing more than one sentence would defeat you :D



One sentence is usually quite enough for me to put my point across. (Although the post you quote has two.)

Your stream of unpunctuated pointless invective merely takes up space.

Cronus
14th August, 2010, 05:30 PM
Your stream of unpunctuated pointless invective merely takes up space.

Is that so?

How much space do your boring inane comments take up I wonder?

z786
14th August, 2010, 11:18 PM
One sentence is usually quite enough for me to put my point across. (Although the post you quote has two.)

Your stream of unpunctuated pointless invective merely takes up space.

how old are you jus out of curiosity?

i'd say about in late 70s?

and you still havnt got any friends

what you call unpuntuated is txt form, im not writin any formal letters 2 any1 so i dont hav 2 punctuate it

as for your point gettin across, the only point i get is your some sort of lonely old guy who has no real friends, nor much 2 live for

like i said, let me knw how fresh air feels, hav fun :D

Evastar
14th August, 2010, 11:34 PM
You know i don't bother posting in threads like this anymore because i know they will end up in personal comments and petty arguments.

Can people not have an adult discussion on something that they disagree on without resorting to making personal remarks?

chroma
14th August, 2010, 11:43 PM
Is that so?

How much space do your boring inane comments take up I wonder?

He managed to successfully integrate the word "invective" into a sentance though, gaining a +5 critical hit for massive damage!

Add to this the fact that his posts can be translated far more effectively than a hate filled rant laced with "i r hate teh wurld poeple r 2 dum to c dat i r rite and habbeb everyting media moguls r say."
+12 damage from Tome of epic readability.

Why should anyone have to spit out a wall of text when the same point can be put forth with a single sentance anyway?

Not to mention his posts are seldom the directed abusive tirades that other members are known to resort to.

Feel free however to jump all over the guy for keeping his writing both succinct and indeed legible if you honestly feel that it will add to a discussion, yet in this case it merely detracts and serves only to derail.

Say what you will about nara, but ive never personaly seen him follow a pattern of:
Make a statement.
Counter a rebuttal.
Fail to back up his argument with anything substantial.
Post teeshirts whilst groping for legitimacy.
Get annoyed and resort to personal slurs.
State that he cant personaly post any irrefutable evidence because is "pointless talking to a brick wall." But that hes got it regardless...
Resort to further adolescent personal attacks and general attention seeking, straw clutching, downright insulting behavior.
Follow up by causing the thread to be closed due to spitting the dummy right out of the pram.

So his input must be entirely useless then, yeah?
The only thing that surprises me in this thread is that its managed to get to 15 pages.

z786
14th August, 2010, 11:52 PM
the only thing that surprises me is that im even replyin 2 people like you

or even on this thread

as for your hitpoints, are you playing street fighter lol

spellin a word correctly doesnt make you right, and those t-shirts, im sure you'l be wearin one 1 day, no doubt

i dont get annoyed, your the one that gets angry, needs to take a break and clear your head.

maybe the fact that i am right gets you angry or the fact that you called them loonies and you are one yourself now, whateva it is, i dont care, dont want 2 know

last from me on this thread, you can keep makin your remarks

dont miss me 2 much lol

Cronus
15th August, 2010, 12:50 AM
He managed to successfully integrate the word "invective" into a sentance though, gaining a +5 critical hit for massive damage!

Add to this the fact that his posts can be translated far more effectively than a hate filled rant laced with "i r hate teh wurld poeple r 2 dum to c dat i r rite and habbeb everyting media moguls r say."
+12 damage from Tome of epic readability.

Why should anyone have to spit out a wall of text when the same point can be put forth with a single sentance anyway?

Not to mention his posts are seldom the directed abusive tirades that other members are known to resort to.

Feel free however to jump all over the guy for keeping his writing both succinct and indeed legible if you honestly feel that it will add to a discussion, yet in this case it merely detracts and serves only to derail.

Say what you will about nara, but ive never personaly seen him follow a pattern of:
Make a statement.
Counter a rebuttal.
Fail to back up his argument with anything substantial.
Post teeshirts whilst groping for legitimacy.
Get annoyed and resort to personal slurs.
State that he cant personaly post any irrefutable evidence because is "pointless talking to a brick wall." But that hes got it regardless...
Resort to further adolescent personal attacks and general attention seeking, straw clutching, downright insulting behavior.
Follow up by causing the thread to be closed due to spitting the dummy right out of the pram.

So his input must be entirely useless then, yeah?
The only thing that surprises me in this thread is that its managed to get to 15 pages.



:laugh::laugh::laugh: @Chroma

Awww has Nara got himself a little friend.
"Resort to further adolescent personal attacks"...a bit like this post then eh?

Go on then Chroma I'll humour you for once,lets have a look back over Nara's useful?? input into this thread shall we??

Page 3-

Lol, you're easily blown.

Typical conspiracy theory nonsense for the weak-minded.

Quote:
Originally Posted by irfy http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/charcoal/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f85/freemasons-taking-over-world-116797/index3.html#post707945)
This might sound like mumbo jumbo.

Surely not?

Page 4

No. Still crazy, I'm afraid.

Seriously though, it must be hellish living your life in fear and suspicion, crouched at your keyboard.

There's a wonderful world out there.

Get out and smell the roses.

Page 5

You keep asking people that question, as if somehow it's going to convince anybody who watches it.

It's fifth-rate nonsense.

Page 7

Nonsense, as usual. You really must do some research before spouting drivel.

Page 9

You are more than welcome.

Now what are we both doing here in a nutjob thread?

Page 10

He's always good for a laugh.

I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc.

Page 14

It's no use pleading innocence: racin-snake has the FACTS.

That must be a really secret site!

...as is the thinking in this thread. It helps draw in the gullible though. Anything more complicated would defeat them at the first hurdle.


Oh yes Chroma I can see where you are coming from now. What an absolutely stunning contribution nara has made to this thread!! :roflmao:


And as for you comment "So his input must be entirely useless then, yeah?" well I think the above speaks for itself doesn't it mate.

ABSOLUTE ZERO USEFUL INPUT.

sincerely and fraternally

Cronus
15th August, 2010, 01:04 AM
z786,he's not that old. In his 60's..you know the age. Never wrong and stuck in his ways.
We know each other. He doesn't like me and I don't like him either.

He's only here causing trouble anyway because he's been banned off his normal site for causing trouble.

He never did know when to keep his mouth shut.

@Chroma,the only thing that suprised me what the stupidity of your post. Did you actually look back and check any posts or did you just suddenly turn into a Ninja Warrior?

racin-snake
15th August, 2010, 01:11 AM
ha ha ha lol

Cronus
15th August, 2010, 01:16 AM
ha ha ha lol

I know mate...the Illuminati have a lot to answer for!

thered
16th August, 2010, 04:17 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh: @Chroma

Awww has Nara got himself a little friend.
"Resort to further adolescent personal attacks"...a bit like this post then eh?

Go on then Chroma I'll humour you for once,lets have a look back over Nara's useful?? input into this thread shall we??

Page 3-

Lol, you're easily blown.

Typical conspiracy theory nonsense for the weak-minded.

Quote:
Originally Posted by irfy http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/charcoal/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f85/freemasons-taking-over-world-116797/index3.html#post707945)
This might sound like mumbo jumbo.

Surely not?

Page 4

No. Still crazy, I'm afraid.

Seriously though, it must be hellish living your life in fear and suspicion, crouched at your keyboard.

There's a wonderful world out there.

Get out and smell the roses.

Page 5

You keep asking people that question, as if somehow it's going to convince anybody who watches it.

It's fifth-rate nonsense.

Page 7

Nonsense, as usual. You really must do some research before spouting drivel.

Page 9

You are more than welcome.

Now what are we both doing here in a nutjob thread?

Page 10

He's always good for a laugh.

I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc.

Page 14

It's no use pleading innocence: racin-snake has the FACTS.

That must be a really secret site!

...as is the thinking in this thread. It helps draw in the gullible though. Anything more complicated would defeat them at the first hurdle.


Oh yes Chroma I can see where you are coming from now. What an absolutely stunning contribution nara has made to this thread!! :roflmao:


And as for you comment "So his input must be entirely useless then, yeah?" well I think the above speaks for itself doesn't it mate.

ABSOLUTE ZERO USEFUL INPUT.

sincerely and fraternally



tbh nara is just highlighting the fact that he thinks these ideas on conspiracy are stupid but its his right to air them

whether or not you agree it is a forum for people to agree or disagree with each others posts

on a personal level i am interested in these theories which is why i have posted in this thread to see if there is actually any substance to these theories or is it just mumbo jumbo as one person has already said

i am of the opinion that it is mumbo jumbo and that most stuff on here is absolutely insane i am interested in looking at facts i have found none

we have talked about films,apple.inc and logo's on t shirts what any of it means is guesswork and pure fantasy (why does it have to mean anything anyway?)

tbh its not that i dont want too believe it either if it were all true it would be fascinating but in all honesty im not that gullible but i will keep looking hoping one day i see something that has some substance to it instead of just guessing

jojo1212
16th August, 2010, 04:45 PM
they killed 2pac coz he didnt sell his soul to the devil

killimunati

Cronus
16th August, 2010, 05:38 PM
tbh nara is just highlighting the fact that he thinks these ideas on conspiracy are stupid but its his right to air them

whether or not you agree it is a forum for people to agree or disagree with each others posts

on a personal level i am interested in these theories which is why i have posted in this thread to see if there is actually any substance to these theories or is it just mumbo jumbo as one person has already said

i am of the opinion that it is mumbo jumbo and that most stuff on here is absolutely insane i am interested in looking at facts i have found none

we have talked about films,apple.inc and logo's on t shirts what any of it means is guesswork and pure fantasy (why does it have to mean anything anyway?)

tbh its not that i dont want too believe it either if it were all true it would be fascinating but in all honesty im not that gullible but i will keep looking hoping one day i see something that has some substance to it instead of just guessing

Of course it is everyone's right to post their views,I have no argument with that mate. But there is a right and a wrong way to go about it...

Take your post for example.

You admitted you've actually taken time to look at the facts and didn't believe in it. Fair do's...everyone has different opinions and I respect your conclusion.
I have a differing opinion on some of the evidence but that is my belief and mine alone. I wouldn't ridicule you for your opinion as I'm sure you wouldn't for mine.

But when a poster crosses that line,then I suggest that it is out of order.

Most of Nara's posts did the above to be honest and this one stands out the most blatant:

"I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc."


That isn't airing an opinion red,thats just being downright insulting! :(

nara
16th August, 2010, 06:29 PM
"I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc."


That isn't airing an opinion red,thats just being downright insulting! :(

Oh grow up Cronus! This is an adult forum, not a school playground.

Please note that the above quote begins "I think". It is an opinion.

One of the functions of a forum is to allow people to express opinions. Are you suggesting that opinions which you disagree with should be censored?

The opinion was of the people that formulated the theory. If you want to take it personally, then that's your problem not mine.

thered
16th August, 2010, 07:06 PM
Of course it is everyone's right to post their views,I have no argument with that mate. But there is a right and a wrong way to go about it...

Take your post for example.

You admitted you've actually taken time to look at the facts and didn't believe in it. Fair do's...everyone has different opinions and I respect your conclusion.
I have a differing opinion on some of the evidence but that is my belief and mine alone. I wouldn't ridicule you for your opinion as I'm sure you wouldn't for mine.

But when a poster crosses that line,then I suggest that it is out of order.

Most of Nara's posts did the above to be honest and this one stands out the most blatant:

"I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc."


That isn't airing an opinion red,thats just being downright insulting! :(


sorry m8 i have to agree with nara that isnt a personal attack

"I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc"

seen as you didnt invent the theory it was invented by others and has been going around for a number of years now it isnt an attack on you personally its more on the inventors of the spin


all this illuminati ect conspiracy stuff has been going on years only difference is its becoming more poupular to believe


one thing i do wonder though is why have none of these truth tellers been popped off yet after all they can sell tickets to concerts make films and money off people who are willing to believe

you would think these figures of power would want to kill them and nip it in the bud before it spreads further ruining their plans for NWO after all they have killed everyone else who didnt comply people like kennedy

funny isnt it?

but then they say "if they did kill me then we would all know the truth"


and the goalposts move again same as 2012 and obama when the theory is exposed its changed to suit another slightly different story

ask yourself this though after hours of trawling round sites watching films ect what are you going to do?

if the answer is nothing just do more research and open your eyes you really do need to open your eyes because your wasting your life

if you want to overthrow the government start a civil war live in anarchy then its different keep on with it but dont leave it too long

or as i stated earlier in the thread dont comply with it all live off the state i dont know if your from uk but if i want too i can

and there aint much conspiracy in that is there?

racin-snake
16th August, 2010, 07:09 PM
so where's this theory you are spouting about nara ?

still waiting ...same thing every time now he has got a bit of sympathy for his silly remarks

how can you even begin to defend this stuff ?


especially guys who know him from digital worldz where he's banned for causing trouble ect
go have a look ..but some members don't need too they know his usual line

nara
16th August, 2010, 07:55 PM
so where's this theory you are spouting about nara

Well if you track back fifteen pages to the beginning of the thread, you'll discover that it's the theory that Freemasons are taking over the world. :hmmmm:

Cronus
16th August, 2010, 08:48 PM
sorry m8 i have to agree with nara that isnt a personal attack

"I think it's dumb conspiracy theory invented by intellectually challenged paranoics who need to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc"

seen as you didnt invent the theory it was invented by others and has been going around for a number of years now it isnt an attack on you personally its more on the inventors of the spin


all this illuminati ect conspiracy stuff has been going on years only difference is its becoming more poupular to believe

I never said it was a personal attack against me and solely me.

I like this kind of stuff conspiracy,cryptozoology etc etc.
I actually believe some of it as well,probably lots of other people do too.

But that comment is stating that anyone who has the vaguest interest in this kind of stuff needs to "to get a life, meet people, make friends, get an education, etc"

Do you know Nara by the way??

I do and I can tell you he knows what he's doing and you are falling for it.
He's starting to do the same thing here as he did on DW.

If there was an ignore button on this site,he would be the one and only person on here that I would use it for.

thewizardofodds
16th August, 2010, 10:20 PM
is that a bit of fluff on yer jacket?

Cronus
16th August, 2010, 10:49 PM
The only thing that surprises me in this thread is that its managed to get to 15 pages.

Why don't you fill us in on the real procedure and info behind the Freemasons mate?

I thought you would be the best person to ask considering you are a new recruit at the following address

Leven St.John - No.170
Alexander Street
Renton

What do they do there by the way?

irfy
17th August, 2010, 02:23 AM
The real Weapons of mass destruction!!

Tesla's Earthquake Machine - HAARP // Current (http://current.com/news/89003708_teslas-earthquake-machine-haarp.htm)

All part of the plan

tonyadams5
17th August, 2010, 04:16 AM
Guess what, former japanese prime minister is a self proclaimed free mason

check this out

Ichir? Hatoyama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichir%C5%8D_Hatoyama)

donsmith249
17th August, 2010, 04:33 AM
I am so taken

nara
17th August, 2010, 08:37 AM
Guess what, former japanese prime minister is a self proclaimed free mason



As are countless people in many walks of life...and why "self-proclaimed", is it something you would expect him to be ashamed of?

tonyadams5
17th August, 2010, 09:55 AM
According to the freemasonic law, while the person is alive, one should not reveal their identity. Whereas Mr. Hatoyama posted this pic to prove that he is one of the member.

nara
17th August, 2010, 10:23 AM
According to the freemasonic law, while the person is alive, one should not reveal their identity. Whereas Mr. Hatoyama posted this pic to prove that he is one of the member.

Where did you dig that up?

" Freemasons are encouraged to speak openly about their membership while remembering that they undertake not to use their membership for their own or anyone else's advancement."

Source: http://www.warringtonfreemasons.org.uk/what_is_freemasonry.

racin-snake
17th August, 2010, 11:48 AM
Where did you dig that up?

" Freemasons are encouraged to speak openly about their membership while remembering that they undertake not to use their membership for their own or anyone else's advancement."

Source: http://www.warringtonfreemasons.org.uk/what_is_freemasonry.

best laugh ive had this morning
keep that up lol

donsmith249
17th August, 2010, 01:48 PM
I am puzzled how so many non masons think they know so much about masonry yet I have been a mason for 10 yrs and still learn something new all the time. Also let me spill the big secret about masonry,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there is no big secret. There it's out we can never get it back

rrob311
17th August, 2010, 01:54 PM
How many Freemasons are Islamofascists?

nara
17th August, 2010, 02:03 PM
How many Freemasons are Islamofascists?

Good question.

rrob311
17th August, 2010, 02:10 PM
Im thinking almost none in the western world unless they were trying to infiltrate and find out the secrets.

racin-snake
17th August, 2010, 05:09 PM
Im thinking almost none in the western world unless they were trying to infiltrate and find out the secrets.

thought we were just given all the secret's?
why infiltrate if were handing the authoritative word on this ?
ah well no need to infiltrate then eh .....
find somic else then

thered
17th August, 2010, 07:34 PM
as i right this post my thanks tally is 666


or is it 911 or an upside down 999 even either way its spookey

Evastar
17th August, 2010, 07:45 PM
as i right this post my thanks tally is 666


or is it 911 or an upside down 999 even either way its spookey

Sorted red ;)

thered
17th August, 2010, 07:51 PM
Sorted red ;)

had to spoil it didnt you lol

thats my satanic days over now i sacrifice no more just run a bit so sponsor me please anyone

a911
28th August, 2010, 04:22 AM
How many Freemasons are Islamofascists?

All of them,,,,:rock:!

chroma
29th August, 2010, 12:06 AM
All of them,,,,:rock:!
So first we're trying to take over the world... and now we're all members of al Queda?
I sould probably begin reading my memo's

z786
29th August, 2010, 12:41 AM
mayb your not members of them but u sure did create them in the minds of people lol

flyingpig
29th August, 2010, 09:18 PM
Wow.. what is an islamofascist.... In lamens terms.,.,

chroma
29th August, 2010, 11:47 PM
Wow.. what is an islamofascist.... In lamens terms.,.,

An Islamofacist is someone who believes in extremist views like global enforcement of Shari'a Law.

As to what Shari'a law actualy means... well that differs depending on a persons stance, theres disagreement between Fundamentalists, Extremists, Traditionalists and Modernists.

It's essentialy used to describe islamic extremists ie terrorist organisations like al-Qa'ida, Al-Badr, Hamas, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the like. Its also a fairly incorect term in that facist doesnt seem to equate with the way things went in Benito Mussilinis book but is used more as a diluted catchment term to mean "totalitarian" rather than the "getting the trains to run on time" kind of deep rooted facist movement like the BNP's.

jrivasag
5th September, 2010, 01:51 AM
YES.. SECRET SOCIETIES ARE TAKING OVER.. THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS IN PROGRESS.. CHAOS GOES FIRTS, DEPOPULATION NEXT, THEN, SURVIVORS WILL HAVE TO OBEY THE NEW WORLD ORDER..