OPEL ASTRA G do not start after engine repair

[tapiru]

Hello guys
I talk about a Astra G 1.7CDTI year 2003 , z17dtl , 59kw.
The car come with noise from engine but run good and start well.
I proceed to open engine and there was 3 pistons with problems, after owerheating.With client we decide to change all 4 pistons with other new but +0.25.After this operation I mount the engine back in chasis made all conection and try to start but nothing.No one sign.I begin to diagnose with : Tech 2 , OP-COM , Gutmann MM50 , Delphi DS100 but no DTC.
Fimaly I try to start with spray , the engine start and run but onlly I give him spray without spray the engine stall.My first minde was the ECU is broken but not I bring a other similar car who work and change the ECU and IMO from other car and viceversa.
My car not start the other car start and run good.
After put back ECU and IMO to each car I start again my car with spray and make a diagnose and now get P1335.Erase the error code and again diag. but just with ignition on no error code.
All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.
Forget to say the injectors and CR pump was checked by a specialist and all work good.
I recheck maybe 10 times the timing belt.
All is ok.
Please someone help me give me an ideea because I begin to be ill on this car.
Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!

[tapiru]

Sorry forget say it come diesel to common rail and have good presure like OP-COM say.

[rsibiza]

Hello guys
I talk about a Astra G 1.7CDTI year 2003 , z17dtl , 59kw.
The car come with noise from engine but run good and start well.
I proceed to open engine and there was 3 pistons with problems, after owerheating.With client we decide to change all 4 pistons with other new but +0.25.After this operation I mount the engine back in chasis made all conection and try to start but nothing.No one sign.I begin to diagnose with : Tech 2 , OP-COM , Gutmann MM50 , Delphi DS100 but no DTC.
Fimaly I try to start with spray , the engine start and run but onlly I give him spray without spray the engine stall.My first minde was the ECU is broken but not I bring a other similar car who work and change the ECU and IMO from other car and viceversa.
My car not start the other car start and run good.
After put back ECU and IMO to each car I start again my car with spray and make a diagnose and now get P1335.Erase the error code and again diag. but just with ignition on no error code.
All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.
Forget to say the injectors and CR pump was checked by a specialist and all work good.
I recheck maybe 10 times the timing belt.
All is ok.
Please someone help me give me an ideea because I begin to be ill on this car.
Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!


Sorry forget say it come diesel to common rail and have good presure like OP-COM say.


The P1335 is for angle sensor from diesel pump or from crankshaft sensor,but only if try to start engine....

Could be sensor him self,wires but also loosen parts inside ESP modules created that phenomen on some Zafira

[rsibiza]

All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.

Did you connect wire per wire and pull on them,to see if continuity is lost by pulling or moving wires?

[tapiru]

All wiring from ECU to engine are good I check one by one.
What I see is that wen I try to start engine , no signal to the injectors.

Did you connect wire per wire and pull on them,to see if continuity is lost by pulling or moving wires?
Yes m8 I doo like you said and all are ok.
Wen I change ECU with the other car the other car start and run good with the "problem car" ECU and how to damage the pump I just dismont befor engine repair and mount back after reparation.
I check the p1335 sensors with scope and diagram signal was same like TIS2000

[tapiru]

The P1335 is for angle sensor from diesel pump or from crankshaft sensor,but only if try to start engine....

Could be sensor him self,wires but also loosen parts inside ESP modules created that phenomen on some Zafira
M8 I proceed to pull the car and nothing.
The P1335 get just after pull car or start engine with spray!!!!!!
After erase this P1335 and made a other diagnose but just with ignition on and no pull or spray I get "no DTC stored"!!!!?????
Please light my brain I am finish with this car since 3 week I try to made him to start.Fortunatly the client is a patient guy and no need the car he have a other but I am shame on him and on my condition.Client pay until now little less 1000euros on spare parts and other aditional operation.
In this moment I need no money for my whole work just to see this car running and out of my garage.

[rsibiza]

M8 I proceed to pull the car and nothing.
The P1335 get just after pull car or start engine with spray!!!!!!
After erase this P1335 and made a other diagnose but just with ignition on and no pull or spray I get "no DTC stored"!!!!?????
Please light my brain I am finish with this car since 3 week I try to made him to start.Fortunatly the client is a patient guy and no need the car he have a other but I am shame on him and on my condition.Client pay until now little less 1000euros on spare parts and other aditional operation.
In this moment I need no money for my whole work just to see this car running and out of my garage.


They have faultly diesel pumps sometimes,if you have one for simple crosschange from one to other,give a try.

Also ESP Ecu can create this problem...:banghead:

[synkrotronic]

Spray is not good for a new engine.
What rpm and fuel pressure you read with your diag. tool?

[tapiru]

Spray is not good for a new engine.
What rpm and fuel pressure you read with your diag. tool?
I know this m8 but no other way to start this engine to get an ideea abouth his problem.
In this moment I do not remember quite exactly but abouth 250-300rpm and the presure I not remember but it was exact like the OP-COM requirements because I was astonished so good CR pump.

[synkrotronic]

"I was astonished so good CR pump."

Why!?
Give you around 150 b to start... ?Or more

[tapiru]

"I was astonished so good CR pump."

Why!?
Give you around 150 b to start... ?Or more
It was around 220-240 bar.

[Positron2200]

Hi friend. Can you see the RPM in the data list just when you are cranking?. If you can't see the increase in RPM when you are crancking maybe a CKP failure. All the common Rail engines need a minimun of RPM for can start. It is because it need a Hi pressure generated for the Hi pressure pump. Try too with a very good battery. I hope this can help you.

[tapiru]

Hi friend. Can you see the RPM in the data list just when you are cranking?. If you can't see the increase in RPM when you are crancking maybe a CKP failure. All the common Rail engines need a minimun of RPM for can start. It is because it need a Hi pressure generated for the Hi pressure pump. Try too with a very good battery. I hope this can help you.
Hi
Thanks for advice but my value I think are good.If you know to must be other please tell me this.

[dafdiagnos]

p1335 is cmp or ckp sensor signal fault. i'd oscilloscope test the signals at ecu pins for good waveforms. you could also try retiming pump through 180 degrees. i saw this on one vehicle - engine rebuilt & wouldn't start. in the end it was retimed as above & started straight away

[tapiru]

p1335 is cmp or ckp sensor signal fault. i'd oscilloscope test the signals at ecu pins for good waveforms. you could also try retiming pump through 180 degrees. i saw this on one vehicle - engine rebuilt & wouldn't start. in the end it was retimed as above & started straight away
As I told the bouth sensors from camshaft and crankshaft I checked with scope and both have good signals same like in TIS2000 and your trik with retiming pump trough180 degrees not work because it is common rail injection pump and no matter.And what you say abouth this was a timing mistake not a trick.
Anyway thanks for interes and help.

[dafdiagnos]

there are two different types of pump, one has the sensor to act as tdc pickup, this has to be timed correctly or it wont start, the other is just a straight fit & run in any position

[rsibiza]

there are two different types of pump, one has the sensor to act as tdc pickup, this has to be timed correctly or it wont start, the other is just a straight fit & run in any position


Dafdiagnos is right,as i said your error when cranking the engine can be crankshaftposition sensor or pumpposition sensor.

Anyway if its a pump with sensor it has to set correct.

[tapiru]

Dafdiagnos is right,as i said your error when cranking the engine can be crankshaftposition sensor or pumpposition sensor.

Anyway if its a pump with sensor it has to set correct.
OK guys I belive you but in this case please where is this sensor or if they can send me a pic. or something to understand.Anyway I followed right the procedure like in AUTODATA.
Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Positron2200]

[QUOTE=tapiru;593586]As I told the bouth sensors from camshaft and crankshaft I checked with scope and both have good signals same like in TIS2000


Friend. Check with the scope the synchronism of both sensors with the double trace function. It is because you can have a problem with the distribution . Some times this code don't set in the memory if the engine no start.

[rsibiza]

OK guys I belive you but in this case please where is this sensor or if they can send me a pic. or something to understand.Anyway I followed right the procedure like in AUTODATA.
Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!



I dont have pics.

If pump has wires,with sensor
if pump has no wires,no sensor.

[tony.belgium]

Got the same symptoms with same DTC (same EG, same car)
The dealer changed the related crankshaft position sensor as the diag instructed : same symptoms occured again (EG goes dead after 20 min of regular driving) !

I read on another forum (http://www.forum-auto.com/pole-technique/section12/sujet408636-35.htm) (french speaking - with pics), mentionning that the Injection Pump Controler (8971891360/16267710 Isuzu) had a regular bad soldering issue, and a simple resoldering would solve the problem most of the times
(several people tried it with success)

Now, I got the Controler back from the dealer, but I see that the guy gave me the following : GM 24 467 018 - Isuzu 8973068765, which looks like the Engine Controler

Is it just me being confused with the different engine models ? (the dealers report does mention Z17DTL)

[tony.belgium]

Guys ? Anyone can confirm the above controlers Part Numbers ?

Even the localisation of the Injection pump in the EG compatiment would be welcome ...

Thanks !

[tony.belgium]

So, I confirmed through R?sselsheim that it was a Z17DTL indeed, and not a Y17DTL, which removes the solution above from the lack of such part in the engine.

Interresting symptom : when warm, the engine is cuting out when RPM goes under about 2600 RPM. Downshift will make the engine start again (unless final RPM is below ~2600)

(this feels more like personnal bloging than a forum. Is there anyone with an idea that could help fix this ?)

[Bob kaos]

Same problem Astra 2004 model with Z17DTH all info from OPCOM

Engine replaced after Turbo disintegrated and went into engine breaking everything, can get all readings while cranking but NO START anyone here can help??!!

Identifier: 0x0703
VIN: W0L0AHL4848066374
Hardware number:81011380
Motor type: Z17DTH
Part Number:12992628
Software version number: P368_I62DI
Hardware manufacturer number: 0281011380
Software Number: 1037370433P368_I62
Programming Date: FFFFFFFF
Hardware key number: ??????????
System description: BOSCH0100
Type approval number: B04015
Variant programming : 0x00000002
Alpha code: LK
Hardware manufacturer system name: EDC16


let me know if you need any more info am ready to try anything but lighter & fuel

[tapiru]

Same problem Astra 2004 model with Z17DTH all info from OPCOM

Engine replaced after Turbo disintegrated and went into engine breaking everything, can get all readings while cranking but NO START anyone here can help??!!

Identifier: 0x0703
VIN: W0L0AHL4848066374
Hardware number:81011380
Motor type: Z17DTH
Part Number:12992628
Software version number: P368_I62DI
Hardware manufacturer number: 0281011380
Software Number: 1037370433P368_I62
Programming Date: FFFFFFFF
Hardware key number: ??????????
System description: BOSCH0100
Type approval number: B04015
Variant programming : 0x00000002
Alpha code: LK
Hardware manufacturer system name: EDC16


let me know if you need any more info am ready to try anything but lighter & fuel
Hi m8
To me was other problem i do not replace the engine i rebuilt it him with new pistons and rings but wen i wash the parts i broke a little tooth on crankshaft where the crankshaft sensor read the speed engine and not timing because speed sensor not know wen begin injection.
By you i think it is imo. problem.Did you change the ECU and IMO. from the car where from you get new engine?If not newer start or you must reprog. the ECU and IMO.
Good luck!!!!!!!

[ghostridersa]

Does the vehicle have a normal ecu or a hybrid ecu? I have already had this problem with corsa 17dt where we did the engine and it would'nt start afterwards and had no diesel injection from the pump but also had no fault codes when we scanned with opcom.

It turned out that we had a crap opcom which was not reading some fault codes. With the hybrid ecu's the immo cuts the fuel supply so if you have a immo problem then you wont have injection from your diesel pump. Check your immo is matched and let us know.