CUMMINS ECM REPAIR TIPS

[ortiz]

I need help with a CELECT ecm .. and change two bad elements once and came back to burn me these are the photos ... maybe I can help.

[ortiz]

I have the diagram of ecm CELECT if anyone needs the climb....I have the diagram of ecm CELECT if someone needs to upload it .. and helps me with the repair of ecm

[Poptest]

I have the diagram of ecm CELECT if anyone needs the climb....I have the diagram of ecm CELECT if someone needs to upload it .. and helps me with the repair of ecm

Please post diagram of Celect ECM. This will be very helpful to DK. I am also trying to learn how to repair this ECM.

Thanks.

[Poptest]

thank you soo much buddy, i check the diodes and i found 1 with problem , but i change the 2 diodes and all the electrolytic capacitor, and now working fine.........
:rock::thrasher:

now the green capacitor have 105 volts, and i can listen the ticking noise.

Hello Peter21,

Please upload picture of 2 diodes location.

Thank you.

[Poptest]

Hello DK,

I have two 3618046 Celect ECM which does not communicate with Insite. 100 volts is present on the green cap, nothing is burned inside, but no 12V output on pin 16 of actuator harness. Please help me check these ECMs. Why will it not communicate with Insite.

Truck 1 was good and parked for 6 months, then it will not start.

Truck 2 was also good and parked for 6 months. Engine started fine. After turning off engine, it will not start again.

It seems that keeping these trucks on storage causes ECM failure. Please explain why.

[ortiz]

ecm celect diagram

[Poptest]

ecm celect diagram

Hello Ortiz,

Please give me rar pass for Celect diagram.

Thank you.

[ortiz]

passwork 7564

[ddmech]

Thank you ortiz.This is a great deal of help!

[ddmech]

What are the internal differences of a celect and a celect plus?Thanks.

[ortiz]

do not forget to help me with the repair of the ecm

[Poptest]

do not forget to help me with the repair of the ecm

Of course. We all help each other here at DK.

Your wiring diagram will help us study repair of ECM Celect.

Thank you.

[ddmech]

Wish I could be of more helportiz but I am learning also.With your diagram hope to learn more myself.Thank you for your input.I believe this will help us all friend.

[peter21]

Hello Peter21,

Please upload picture of 2 diodes location.

Thank you.

hi poptest, here are the 2 diodes location, they are near to the actuatos connector.....
76228


I need help with a CELECT ecm .. and change two bad elements once and came back to burn me these are the photos ... maybe I can help.

hey buddy, try to put those pieces from another ecm, maybe the insulation Between transistor and wall hot is bad.....

[Poptest]

The most common problem is a 1.8ohm resistor just near the green cap open circuit.

Hello Makura,

I am trying to learn how to repair Celect ECM no communication, and nothing burned inside.

Can you show location of 1.8 ohm resistor?

Thank you much for past posts......very helpful.

[Poptest]

hi poptest, here are the 2 diodes location, they are near to the actuatos connector.....
76228



hey buddy, try to put those pieces from another ecm, maybe the insulation Between transistor and wall hot is bad.....

Hello Peter 21,

Thank you for prompt your reply. I now see the two diodes. What is the part number?

I also noticed that your picture shows only one transistor on each heatsink. Is this a Celect ECM?

See attached picture from one of my 3618046 Celect ECM. There are two transistors on each sink.

Do you know why they are not identical?

Thanks a lot.

[Poptest]

Hello DK friends,

Let's have some fun and just enjoy the weekend.

See picture of correct way to solder on ECM PCB. I think soldering iron is too small; larger tool should be used. Correct???

:devil::devil::devil:

[makura]

Hello Makura,

I am trying to learn how to repair Celect ECM no communication, and nothing burned inside.

Can you show location of 1.8 ohm resistor?

Thank you much for past posts......very helpful.
Hi
First of all if you have the 100volts on the green cap,forget about the 2 diodes.
turn to the logic side of the ecm,which is the side where your memory and micro chips are.remove the electrolytic cap 100uf X6volts,use some alcohol and a old tooth brush and clean the area around your crystal and replace the cap with a new one and BINGO your ECM is back to life.:devil:

[makura]

Hello Peter 21,

Thank you for prompt your reply. I now see the two diodes. What is the part number?

I also noticed that your picture shows only one transistor on each heatsink. Is this a Celect ECM?

See attached picture from one of my 3618046 Celect ECM. There are two transistors on each sink.

Do you know why they are not identical?

Thanks a lot.
The ecm with one mosfet on the heat sink is a revised version and the one with two is the older design,if you trace on the old version the mosfets that have been removed did not have use on the board,a waste of spares,so they revised the design.
hope you are answered.:wink:

[makura]

Hello DK friends,

Let's have some fun and just enjoy the weekend.

See picture of correct way to solder on ECM PCB. I think soldering iron is too small; larger tool should be used. Correct???

:devil::devil::devil:
Haa haa
Very funny,you need a hot air rework station bro.:help:

[makura]

got a celect plus 3096662 ecm that cannot accelerate....only idle...one of the two fault codes is 551, check my supply 4.89V and ground is good.....any help would be appreciated
The idle validation on a celect plus does not work in the same way as that of a celect.
1..on celect you will have a 5volts being your common and being switched either to the on or off idle position.
2..on Celect plus the common or centre wire has ground(return)which is in turn switched between on and off idle.so on the celect plus you will have two 5volts lines one on each of the validation positions(on and off lines)
so 90 percent of the time you will find that you centre (common) line has a continuity to ground,most of the time you will find a burnt track just near the OEM harness that supplies the ground to the validation switch.
Hope its clear enough,and good luck :viking::help:

[ddmech]

That is a lot of great info Makura,thanks.

[Poptest]

The ecm with one mosfet on the heat sink is a revised version and the one with two is the older design,if you trace on the old version the mosfets that have been removed did not have use on the board,a waste of spares,so they revised the design.
hope you are answered.:wink:
Thanks a lot for your helpful posts 269 and 270..... very good information. Tomorrow, I follow your advice.

By the way, can I just remove the 2 spare mosfets on my old version?

[makura]

Thanks a lot for your helpful posts 269 and 270..... very good information. Tomorrow, I follow your advice.

By the way, can I just remove the 2 spare mosfets on my old version?
Why would you want to do that?

[Poptest]

Why would you want to do that?

Because your post 270 says that these are just spare mosfets.

I have another 3618046 which dont have 12v on pin 16 of actuator harness. Please share fix for this.

Thank you!!!

[makura]

Just buy a new mosfet IRF540 is perfect for this job.Try fixing one problem at a time,this way you get to grasp the faults and solutions.

[donniemnemonic]

ecm celect diagram

What a rare find this is indeed, point of correction though m8 after briefly browsing thru the schematics I strongly believe that this is not a celect ecm schematic but instead a celect plus schematic. Any chance you might also have the celect version so we can compare their hardwares?

[donniemnemonic]

What are the internal differences of a celect and a celect plus?Thanks.

Celect ecms and celect plus ecm are very different in their internal construction in that the celect plus ecm uses more I.Cs on its power pcb, and component lay out. Its logic section also uses a different memory architecture as compared to the celect ecm.

[makura]

Hi guys

From the circuit diagram posted here it's a celect plus for sure.
Does any one know whats the proper number for IC10,normaly labeled SC38KG018CE04?

[Poptest]

Hi
First of all if you have the 100volts on the green cap,forget about the 2 diodes.
turn to the logic side of the ecm,which is the side where your memory and micro chips are.remove the electrolytic cap 100uf X6volts,use some alcohol and a old tooth brush and clean the area around your crystal and replace the cap with a new one and BINGO your ECM is back to life.:devil:

Hi Makura,

I replaced 100uf cap just like you said; ecm is now communicating fine.

Tomorrow, I try a dead ecm which dont have 100v on green cap.

Thank you much for your tips.

[makura]

Hi Makura,

I replaced 100uf cap just like you said; ecm is now communicating fine.

Tomorrow, I try a dead ecm which dont have 100v on green cap.

Thank you much for your tips.COOL BRO :wink:

[Poptest]

Hello Makura,

I have been following your tips and succeeded in repairing 2 ecms 3618046, one wouldn't communicate, and the other had no 100 volts.

But I am having difficulty this time on my third 3618046 which would not communicate. After replacing 100uf cap near crystal and all caps, it now communicates, but intermittently stops. I again replaced 100uf cap and checked for bad solders.......no improvement. Communication intermittently drops.

Please give me a hint if you've had similar experience.

Thank you again.......

[joe gp]

hi guys

any one have a clue how to fix a 342 on a celect ecm?

[joe gp]

Hello Makura,

I have been following your tips and succeeded in repairing 2 ecms 3618046, one wouldn't communicate, and the other had no 100 volts.

But I am having difficulty this time on my third 3618046 which would not communicate. After replacing 100uf cap near crystal and all caps, it now communicates, but intermittently stops. I again replaced 100uf cap and checked for bad solders.......no improvement. Communication intermittently drops.

Please give me a hint if you've had similar experience.

Thank you again.......

hi poptest

i've had this problem before on a celect ecm and solved it by :

1. with your ecm connected on a bench and out of the casing, measure voltage on outer leg of green cap...connect to insite first and watch data LED on adaptor.
2. when communication drops does the voltage change?
3. If so check surface mount caps behind diode heatsink parralell to green cap

hope this helps

[spiderx4]

I have a celect plus and for a long time it was idling really bad. It sounded and felt like only five injectors were working. Took ecm to get repair ended up being a bad resistor.

[Poptest]

I have a celect plus and for a long time it was idling really bad. It sounded and felt like only five injectors were working. Took ecm to get repair ended up being a bad resistor.

Please post a picture of the resistor's location if you haven't closed the ecm yet, or give a description on what part in the pcb.

I've never worked on a Celect Plus, but will try one soon.

Thanks.....

[makura]

hi guys

any one have a clue how to fix a 342 on a celect ecm?
Recalibrate ecm bro,that should do the trick,if not replace the 2 28c64 chips and calibrate using Calterm

[joe gp]

Recalibrate ecm bro,that should do the trick,if not replace the 2 28c64 chips and calibrate using Calterm

tx bro....wasn't sure just needed a second opinion...didn't wanna go making things worse lol

one more thing....been playing around with the top2005 and is it true there are only two adaptors for eeproms? one for 512 and lower and one for 512 up to 1mb??

Reason i'm asking is i have mistakenly put in 64 eeproms in my 512 adaptor and have always come up with mis-pin contact???

tx again bro

[Poptest]

Hello DK,

This is my first time to try a bench calibration transfer to a Celect Plus ECM 3408300. I would like to know where to connect my datalink cable (self made); OEM or Sensor socket?

I have been reading the Cummins shop manuals but they are not clear on this.

Please help.

Many thanks in advance!!!

[donniemnemonic]

Hello DK,

This is my first time to try a bench calibration transfer to a Celect Plus ECM 3408300. I would like to know where to connect my datalink cable (self made); OEM or Sensor socket?

I have been reading the Cummins shop manuals but they are not clear on this.

Please help.

Many thanks in advance!!!

Hi m8.
Use the sensor socket . Works fine for me.

Regards
Donniemnemonic.

[makura]

tx bro....wasn't sure just needed a second opinion...didn't wanna go making things worse lol

one more thing....been playing around with the top2005 and is it true there are only two adaptors for eeproms? one for 512 and lower and one for 512 up to 1m

Reason i'm asking is i have mistakenly put in 64 eeproms in my 512 adaptor and have always come up with mis-pin contact???

tx again bro
The C64 is a 28pin chip so your adapter converts 32pin to 28pin,so if you put a C64 on the 512 adapter two pins on the chip are not used so the programmer will detect the missing pins.
There are a lot of adapters all depending on the chip you want to program,if that particular chip has a DIP type package and it has 28 pin then use the 32-28 pin converter,if it has a 32 pin DIP equevalent then use the 32 plcc adapter.
Hope i was clear Bro,i am a bit confused my self after writting this.
Must be getting old

[zandokan]

SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE ONE OF THESE
SIMULATOR FOR ELECTRONIC MANAGEMENT ENGINE ECM
CUMMINS DIESEL N14 SPECIFICATION

[karanja]

hi guys
do you have any ideal in john deere 9220 made in 2008 i packed it after in the morning it starts but no go in the front or rear when shift gear

[karanja]

please help if any ideal is immergently

[jctech]

hi guys
do you have any ideal in john deere 9220 made in 2008 i packed it after in the morning it starts but no go in the front or rear when shift gear

You need to explain a bit more about what your problem is, I think you say that the engine starts but does not move forward or backwards?

[joe gp]

The C64 is a 28pin chip so your adapter converts 32pin to 28pin,so if you put a C64 on the 512 adapter two pins on the chip are not used so the programmer will detect the missing pins.
There are a lot of adapters all depending on the chip you want to program,if that particular chip has a DIP type package and it has 28 pin then use the 32-28 pin converter,if it has a 32 pin DIP equevalent then use the 32 plcc adapter.
Hope i was clear Bro,i am a bit confused my self after writting this.
Must be getting old

LOl Makura.....gonna read your post a few times then attempt to action.... but thanks for the knowledge feed bro :)

[joe gp]

SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE ONE OF THESE
SIMULATOR FOR ELECTRONIC MANAGEMENT ENGINE ECM
CUMMINS DIESEL N14 SPECIFICATION



maybe a bigger pic would help :) but what i've been doing recently is throwing a lot of LM317 regulators to simulate sensors and havent yet complted my Vss but getting there with a pair of headphones, a signal generator and specs would be at 50khz to fir injectors....one thing with the 317 is you will not be able to get the voltage down to 0V as the regulator is limited to 1.2V...(voltage divider circuit will get you really close thereafter)

any feedback would help

[bravealikhatri]

Can anyone assist me:

Following error is displayed on HMI after installation of cense module part no. 3098771 (QSV 91 Gas engine):


It shows negative 17 ( - 17 ) degree C on all 18 cylinders for exhaust temperature parameter.

We think this error can be fixed if the card is re calibrated.

How to calibrate the card? Which software?

[jctech]

Can anyone assist me:

Following error is displayed on HMI after installation of cense module part no. 3098771 (QSV 91 Gas engine):


It shows negative 17 ( - 17 ) degree C on all 18 cylinders for exhaust temperature parameter.

We think this error can be fixed if the card is re calibrated.

How to calibrate the card? Which software?

Have you calibrated the Cense module with the correct calibration, use Insite.

[zandokan]

maybe a bigger pic would help :) but what i've been doing recently is throwing a lot of LM317 regulators to simulate sensors and havent yet complted my Vss but getting there with a pair of headphones, a signal generator and specs would be at 50khz to fir injectors....one thing with the 317 is you will not be able to get the voltage down to 0V as the regulator is limited to 1.2V...(voltage divider circuit will get you really close thereafter)

any feedback would help
I have this pic

[zandokan]

A friend sent me this picture, but I do not know much about this, but I'll try
thanks for your answer
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2817/diagramal.png

[bravealikhatri]

Have you calibrated the Cense module with the correct calibration, use Insite.


I am unable to Calibrate Cense Module thats the Prob with me...

Can you please Guide me ? how to do this ?

[karanja]

exacly is what i mean that the engine starts but does not move forward or backwards

please help

[jctech]

I am unable to Calibrate Cense Module thats the Prob with me...

Can you please Guide me ? how to do this ?

Its about 7 years since I calibrated a QSV genset Cense module

To calibrate the Cense module on a QSV genset, first connect to the set with Insite 7.x on the J1939 datalink
Insite should find the MCM700 and CM558 modules, at this point Insite 7.x may not find the Cense module, if it does calibrate the module.
If Insite 7.x does not find the module, connect to the 3 pin Cense connector (usually) in the HMI cabinet. This is RS232, no inline adapter required, but a special cable is used.
Go to System menu, user options to set up your connection.
Open Insite for Cense, try to connect to the Cense module, you will get a warning that the module is not calibrated. Close Insite for Cense and open Insite 7.x, go to calibration selection and choose your Cense calibration from the selection, calibrate in the usual way.

[jctech]

The part number for a cense bench calibration harness is 3163064. this cable is used without an inline adapter, it connects the RS232 datalink of the Cense module direct to the serial port of your PC/laptop.

[bravealikhatri]

Okay let me try this..............

[makura]

SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE ONE OF THESE
SIMULATOR FOR ELECTRONIC MANAGEMENT ENGINE ECM
CUMMINS DIESEL N14 SPECIFICATION


This would be very interesting to say the least.

[jctech]

exacly is what i mean that the engine starts but does not move forward or backwards

please help

Try posting your question in the general "help and discussion" http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f165/
or "workshop diagnostics" http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f166/ forum, instead of the ECM repair thread, more people will see your question and you have more chance of getting help.

[ddmech]

I agree with Makura.This very interesting.I have been trying to simulate hall effect sensors without much luck.Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

[zandokan]

I agree with Makura.This very interesting.I have been trying to simulate hall effect sensors without much luck.Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
For the generation of the signal from Hall effect sensor (EPS) or (CMP) is the
done through audio signals, which are generated when the engine
is running, you can use a sound card I think :hmmmm2:

[ddmech]

Ihave tried that but without much luck.Can anyone that has did this give us a little heads up on this?Thanks.

[jctech]

For the generation of the signal from Hall effect sensor (EPS) or (CMP) is the
done through audio signals, which are generated when the engine
is running, you can use a sound card I think :hmmmm2:

I was taught that a hall effect sensor gave a square wave signal.
It is used because it gives clean start and stop signals to the ECM, almost like a digital signal.
I may be wrong because I have never looked at the signal on an oscilloscope

[zandokan]

you are right

[jctech]

Can a sound card give these square wave signals?
0v - 5v - 0v - 5v

[zandokan]

Can a sound card give these square wave signals?
0v - 5v - 0v - 5v

can not connect directly to the sound card, you must use a team like the one pictured
We did this at school, but I can not remember the first steps
sorry for my English is not my language
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2311/simuala.png
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6315/simuladora.png

[Aztaroth]

hello friends who i'm new here and I learned a lot from you, I have a problem with a celcet plus whit 111 i change all the eeprom for new ones but try to recalibrate with caltrem only goes to 94 % any idea??

[donniemnemonic]

hello friends who i'm new here and I learned a lot from you, I have a problem with a celcet plus whit 111 i change all the eeprom for new ones but try to recalibrate with caltrem only goes to 94 % any idea??

Hi m8.
Try setting the ECM status to 1DOA and try calibration with ECM in romboot mode using the romboot cable.
Hope this helps.
Donniemnemonic

[Aztaroth]

thanks donniemnemonic the ECM is alive again i use the romboot and work exelent

[donniemnemonic]

thanks donniemnemonic the ECM is alive again i use the romboot and work exelent


Anytime m8!
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[makura]

can not connect directly to the sound card, you must use a team like the one pictured
We did this at school, but I can not remember the first steps
sorry for my English is not my language
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2311/simuala.png
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/6315/simuladora.pngTrust me,this will NOT give you a squire wave,@ JCTECH you 100 percent right you need a squire wave to produce the effects of a EPS,and i has to be adjustable in order to change engine speed.

[ddmech]

How can we produce a square wave Makura?Freind you are way ahead of me on this is why Im asking.Not had a lot of time to put into this have not had much luck on what I have done.

[zandokan]

Trust me,this will NOT give you a squire wave,@ JCTECH you 100 percent right you need a squire wave to produce the effects of a EPS,and i has to be adjustable in order to change engine speed.
you're right guys, thank you very much
I'm really not a good teacher
good luck

[jctech]

To duplicate the effect of the engine speed sensor, you need the 6+1 signal, 6 even pulses for engine speed plus the extra pulse for number 1 TDC. Maybe the easiest way to doo this is with a real camshaft gear and an EPS.
I have made a camshaft gear mounted on a shaft, driven by a washing machine motor, with an EPS mounted on a bracket, this provided a good engine sped signal, and the motor speed is variable.

[p455w0rd]

Hi everyone cna someone tell me how to get the Sony by Varta Germany 3 volt lithium battery and also teach us how to change it thanks in advance. :top::beer:

[ddmech]

Was trying to figure someway of doing it electronically.May have to do it that way.Thanks.

[jctech]

Was trying to figure someway of doing it electronically.May have to do it that way.Thanks.

There must be a way to do it electronically.
I think a PLC program such as Beckhoff Twincat would do it, but I do not know how to program Beckhoff.
I know that a Siemens S7 200 PLC will do it, I know how to program these, but the cost of hardware and power supplies is too much. A lot cheaper to do it mechanically.
The signals are just a positive voltage signals at a set intervals to indicate engine speed, just need to be square wave, not sine wave.

[zandokan]

I was taught that a hall effect sensor gave a square wave signal.
It is used because it gives clean start and stop signals to the ECM, almost like a digital signal.
I may be wrong because I have never looked at the signal on an oscilloscope
simulator did at school with an oscilloscope and connected to a sound card, but
was very difficult, when it was made I did not put much attention
So I would like to know how to do it again
I did not want to confuse anyone

[Aztaroth]

hi everyone, someone could share the dump files from a celect PN 3618046

thanks in advance

[p455w0rd]

Hi Everyone i have an Detroit Series 60 ECM that does not have a motor brake i allready reprogram it and still does not have a motor brake any solution for this?
Thanks in advance :top:

[ddmech]

Wrong thread friend.Will get a lot better resonse on dct or drs thread.

[ddmech]

Zandokan,any info you have on this at all would be greatley appreciated.No matter how small the input.Thanks.

[jackalfa]

Hi members, please I need your help. A ECM showed a message saying that it lost the communication, then that it's seeded and need to be calibrated. The problem is that after it was re-calibrated it lost all the parameters and I can not figure out all of them, specially the ones from J1939 Multiplexing (unfortunately there is not ECM image), Insite did not restored any parameter or data.
The truck is a 2005 Volvo SN: 4V4NC9TG66N386286 ISX 400. Another issue is that the sticker is peeled from the ECM so I calibrate it with the CPL 8520 that was the one Insite detected. Please if someone can help me with the original ECM configuration of all parameters with this truck, it will be enormously appreciated.
Thanks in advance and best regards.

[jctech]

These parameters are from a 2008 VN with ISX450
I don't know if they are correct for your truck but you can try.
You can tell from your vehicle fault codes which module is missing ECM information, then use Insite to configure that component for multiplexing, it only needs to be enabled for multiplexing and given an address from the dropdown selection. they should all be disabled in the ECM by default, you then need to check for switches, brake clutch CC etc, most times these come from the dashboard or CC, vehicle speed often comes from ABS, sometimes its just trial and error untill you find the correct location.


SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Accelerator Interlock Switch,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Accelerator Pedal or Lever Position,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Aftertreatment Regeneration Permit Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"23 - Instrument Cluster",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Aftertreatment Regeneration Start Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"23 - Instrument Cluster",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Air Conditioning Pressure Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Auxiliary Shutdown Switch,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Clutch Pedal Position Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Cruise Control On/Off Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Cruise Control Set / Resume Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Diagnostic Test Mode Switch,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Engine Brake Switch Level,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Engine Protection Shutdown Manual Override,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Fan Control Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Idle Increment/ Idle Decrement Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Idle Validation Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Parking Brake,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - PTO On/Off Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - PTO Set / Resume Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Rear Axle Ratio Switch,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Remote Accelerator Pedal or Lever,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Remote Accelerator Pedal or Lever Switch,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Remote PTO Switch,"Disable"

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Service Brake Switch,"Enable"

Source Address,"17 - Cruise Control",""

SAE J1939 Multiplexing - Torque Derate Switch,"Disable"

obviously you can ignore the aftertreatment parameters.

[jackalfa]

Thanks a lot jctech, Source Address was wrong as well speed sensor was in magnetic when it uses data link.
Thanks again and best regards.

[makura]

Hi members, please I need your help. A ECM showed a message saying that it lost the communication, then that it's seeded and need to be calibrated. The problem is that after it was re-calibrated it lost all the parameters and I can not figure out all of them, specially the ones from J1939 Multiplexing (unfortunately there is not ECM image), Insite did not restored any parameter or data.
The truck is a 2005 Volvo SN: 4V4NC9TG66N386286 ISX 400. Another issue is that the sticker is peeled from the ECM so I calibrate it with the CPL 8520 that was the one Insite detected. Please if someone can help me with the original ECM configuration of all parameters with this truck, it will be enormously appreciated.
Thanks in advance and best regards.To avoid this in the future you need to upgrade your insite to the latest version,it always saves parameters and restores when ever the calibration is successful.

[alsop]

Why in the insite manuals do they tell you to uncheck the box save features and parameters when recalibrating industrial stationary engines? Do you reload them from the work order image?

[eshis]

Hello. I need help.
How do I place an ECM CELECT in rom boot mode?

[zandokan]

Hello. I need help.
How do I place an ECM CELECT in rom boot mode?
ECM ROM Boot

[eshis]

How do I get the cable?

[eshis]

How do I boot rom cable?

[zandokan]

How do I boot rom cable?
you can do
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f164/cummins-ecm-repair-tips-123306/index5.html

[jctech]

Why in the insite manuals do they tell you to uncheck the box save features and parameters when recalibrating industrial stationary engines? Do you reload them from the work order image?

Most Industrial calibrations are specific to the machine, for example a QSX15 CPL 2828, 600 HP calibration fr10320. There are 25 calibrations all essentially the same rating but with different features and parameters. The industrial customers are a lot lower volume production, they do not use VEPS to set up the ECM with the features and parameters specific to the machine, some do not even have Insite at the factory (some do not even have service techs with Insite) Each OEM gets their engines delivered with their own specific calibration already in the ECM from the factory or distributor, ready to bolt into the machine, the features and parameters are all set up.

Most automotive calibrations only have 3-4 calibrations for each rating, there will be different certifications, maybe one cal set up for multiplexing, maybe a 12 and 24 volt version, all the truck OEMs will get the same calibration. The truck OEM has to set up the features and parameters to suit the truck the engine is fitted to.
So for automotive (and Power Gen) you use save and restore, for Industrial, Marine and you do not need to,
I usually use save and restore if the machine is working fine, and I always save a work order anyway, so if there were changes made to feature and parameters I can get them back after a recal.

[alsop]

Thanks JcTech
This says it better than any answer i have gotten from any one so far. The book explains it as some kind command that will permanently be corrupted if used during a recal.

[jackalfa]

To avoid this in the future you need to upgrade your insite to the latest version,it always saves parameters and restores when ever the calibration is successful.
Thanks Makura, the funny thing here is that I'm using the latest version but for some reason Insite did not restore the parameters like it usually does. Maybe because the ECM was foot-printed when I calibrated?

thanks for your responses, best regards...

[makura]

Thanks Makura, the funny thing here is that I'm using the latest version but for some reason Insite did not restore the parameters like it usually does. Maybe because the ECM was foot-printed when I calibrated?

thanks for your responses, best regards...
OK that explains it,when you have a foot print there are no parameters to copy.everything goes to 0 even your trip wil be reset just the same as an ecm in rom boot.

[jctech]

OK that explains it,when you have a foot print there are no parameters to copy.everything goes to 0 even your trip wil be reset just the same as an ecm in rom boot.

That depends on what process was happening when the footprint occured, I have seen footprinted ECM that have all info available for restoring.
A footprint occures when the ECM looses communication with the laptop/vehicle module during a write to the ECM, such Insite as erasing faults, changing parameters or a vehicle module restoring a parameter. Loss of communication can be caused by turning the key off, PC going into a power save setting, disconnecting a cable among other things.
A footprint can also be caused by not waiting the correct length of time during the key off phase of restting faults and changing parameters and by turning the unswitched power off too soon after key off.

[jackalfa]

jctech and makura, in this particular truck I can't get it to go for more RPM than 1400 in the first gears. I checked all parameters but maybe I'm missing one of them. The truck runs good but the driver is asking me for 1600 RPM. can you help me or tell me please which parameter I need to change to get more RPM in the engine?
Thanks a lot

[jctech]

jctech and makura, in this particular truck I can't get it to go for more RPM than 1400 in the first gears. I checked all parameters but maybe I'm missing one of them. The truck runs good but the driver is asking me for 1600 RPM. can you help me or tell me please which parameter I need to change to get more RPM in the engine?
Thanks a lot

Look at the settings of "gear down protection" and "engine speed without VSS"

[eshis]

I can not put unl CELECT rom boot mode.

'Before it is necessary to establish communication with CALTERM?

Can you do that with 9-pin connector?

Help me please....

[eshis]

I can not put a boot rom mode CELECT.
to download the calibration fails

[donniemnemonic]

I can not put a boot rom mode CELECT.
to download the calibration fails

Hi m8.
Using the romboot cable try the following:
Connect it up to the ecm and depress the switch on the romboot cable turn on your ignition supply, release the romboot switch then shortly after turn off the ignition supply. This will usually rom-boot your ecm if it fails try it a couple of times and eventually you will get it right. Hint: if you are able to here a clicking sound from your ecm with the key on then you should be able to hear it with the key off if rom-boot successful. Another way to do it would be to connect your ecm up to insite then start a calibration session when your ecm has gone say over 50 % -then disconnect from insite and your ecm will be in rom-boot mode.
Another thing make sure that you are connected to your ecm on the sensor harness of your ecm using the rom-boot cable.
Hope this answers your question and good luck.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[shisik]

plase hepl my
please upload ecfg for this engine

http://clip2net.com/clip/m51927/1319026852-clip-28kb.png

http://clip2net.com/clip/m51927/1319027294-clip-15kb.png

[jackalfa]

Please, Can I get your advice why this ECM is throwing this unknown foults?

Thanks a lot members...best regards

[jctech]

Please, Can I get your advice why this ECM is throwing this unknown foults?

Thanks a lot members...best regards

These are your unknown fault codes113 Engine Timing Actuator Circuit - Voltage Above Normal, or Shorted to High Source
114 Engine Timing Actuator Circuit - Voltage Below Normal, or Shorted to Low Source
125 Intake Manifold Pressure Low - Data Valid but Below Normal Operational Range - Moderately Severe Level
135 Oil Pressure Sensor Circuit - Voltage Above Normal, or Shorted to High Source
142 Oil Pressure High - Data Valid but Above Normal Operational Range - Moderately Severe Level
152 Coolant Temperature Low - Data Valid but Below Normal Operational Range - Least Severe Level
211 Barometric Pressure Sensor Circuit - Voltage Above Normal, or Shorted to High Source
223 Oil Burn Valve Solenoid Circuit - Voltage Below Normal, or Shorted to Low Source
225 Oil Replacement Valve Solenoid Circuit - Voltage Below Normal, or Shorted to Low Source
421 Oil Temperature High - Data Valid but Above Normal Operational Range - Moderately Severe Level
435 Oil Pressure Sensor Circuit - Data Erratic, Intermittent, or Incorrect
443 Accelerator Pedal or Lever Position Sensor Supply Voltage Circuit - Voltage Below Normal, or Shorted to Low Source
445 OEM Switch Supply Voltage Circuit - Voltage Above Normal, or Shorted to High Source

I think the calibration has somehow become corrupted, try to recalibrate the ECM using Insite, with the standard calibration from the InCal disk.

[jctech]

Please, Can I get your advice why this ECM is throwing this unknown foults?

Thanks a lot members...best regards

Post a screenshot of the ECM audit trail.

[jackalfa]

Thanks jctech, I'm not in the truck yard but I will try to return so you can help me, thanks again. I already recalibrate the ECM with Insite, I thought too, that maybe the info in the ECM become corrupted but it has the same parameters as when I checked it the first time. The driver told me that everything was fine until the starter started to give him problems then he had to fix the alternator and when the electric man fixed the alternator, the check engine started to flash.
There is the possibility that the ECM is now faulty because the voltage changing in the truck alternator?
thanks again...

[hpcummins]

Thanks jctech, I'm not in the truck yard but I will try to return so you can help me, thanks again. I already recalibrate the ECM with Insite, I thought too, that maybe the info in the ECM become corrupted but it has the same parameters as when I checked it the first time. The driver told me that everything was fine until the starter started to give him problems then he had to fix the alternator and when the electric man fixed the alternator, the check engine started to flash.
There is the possibility that the ECM is now faulty because the voltage changing in the truck alternator?
thanks again...

Before you replace the ECM, try removing the alternator belt, clear all of the codes and test run the truck with the belt off. Electrical noise in the system from a defect in the alternator could be the cause. Also, check the timing sensor as a possible source of electrical interference. We had a Celect Plus logging strange codes and found the culprit to be the timing sensor, when removed we found it was cracked and had a small chunk out of the end of it (?). Also check all of the ECM ground and power connections.

[eshis]

I can not even calibrate the CELECT ..
If someone please help me speak Spanish.
this is my mail: ( no addys :rulez: )

[donniemnemonic]

Please, Can I get your advice why this ECM is throwing this unknown foults?

Thanks a lot members...best regards

Hi m8
Have had a similar experience with several celect ecms in the past and have managed to repair by recalibration as jctech has mentioned. Check also if fault code 434 is active. If so after you connect to insite turn your ignition key off and on and check if the 434 fault becomes inactive. If not then it is highly possible that your ecm is faulty and will need to be repaired.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Donniemnemonic.

[donniemnemonic]

I can not even calibrate the CELECT ..
If someone please help me speak Spanish.
this is my mail: ( no addys :rulez: )

Hi m8.
What exactly are you failing to do? If you are trying to calibrate using calterm maybe try using insite, it is a lot easier than calterm. What is the state of this ecm you are trying to recalibrate. We need more info so as to assist you. Did you try any of thje stuff i mentioned in an earlier post on this page?
Regards
Donniemnemonic.

[jctech]

Thanks jctech, I'm not in the truck yard but I will try to return so you can help me, thanks again. I already recalibrate the ECM with Insite, I thought too, that maybe the info in the ECM become corrupted but it has the same parameters as when I checked it the first time. The driver told me that everything was fine until the starter started to give him problems then he had to fix the alternator and when the electric man fixed the alternator, the check engine started to flash.
There is the possibility that the ECM is now faulty because the voltage changing in the truck alternator?
thanks again...

A voltage spike, voltage recieved on an incorrect pin or a short in the ECM supply or return wiring could be an issue.
The ECM B and C models were not the most robust ECM's.

[eshis]

the ECM was in good condition. recalibrate with INSITE try to increase power from 435 to 460 and there was the problem ...downloading the calibration only reached 65% and then failed.Lel I'm using 9-pin connector that I do not have the 6 pin.
What does arrive ECM pin connector pins diagnosis of 6?
Does it bind to the sensor wires?

[eshis]

Hi m8.
Using the romboot cable try the following:
Connect it up to the ecm and depress the switch on the romboot cable turn on your ignition supply, release the romboot switch then shortly after turn off the ignition supply. This will usually rom-boot your ecm if it fails try it a couple of times and eventually you will get it right. Hint: if you are able to here a clicking sound from your ecm with the key on then you should be able to hear it with the key off if rom-boot successful. Another way to do it would be to connect your ecm up to insite then start a calibration session when your ecm has gone say over 50 % -then disconnect from insite and your ecm will be in rom-boot mode.
Another thing make sure that you are connected to your ecm on the sensor harness of your ecm using the rom-boot cable.
Hope this answers your question and good luck.
Regards
Donniemnemonic
the ECM was in good condition. recalibrate with INSITE try to increase power from 435 to 460 and there was the problem ...downloading the calibration only reached 65% and then failed.Lel I'm using 9-pin connector that I do not have the 6 pin.
What does arrive ECM pin connector pins diagnosis of 6?
Does it bind to the sensor wires?

[zandokan]

Hi m8.
Using the romboot cable try the following:
Connect it up to the ecm and depress the switch on the romboot cable turn on your ignition supply, release the romboot switch then shortly after turn off the ignition supply. This will usually rom-boot your ecm if it fails try it a couple of times and eventually you will get it right. Hint: if you are able to here a clicking sound from your ecm with the key on then you should be able to hear it with the key off if rom-boot successful. Another way to do it would be to connect your ecm up to insite then start a calibration session when your ecm has gone say over 50 % -then disconnect from insite and your ecm will be in rom-boot mode.
Another thing make sure that you are connected to your ecm on the sensor harness of your ecm using the rom-boot cable.
Hope this answers your question and good luck.
Regards
Donniemnemonic
the ECM was in good condition. recalibrate with INSITE try to increase power from 435 to 460 and there was the problem ...downloading the calibration only reached 65% and then failed.Lel I'm using 9-pin connector that I do not have the 6 pin.
What does arrive ECM pin connector pins diagnosis of 6?
Does it bind to the sensor wires?
look at this post, perhaps this the solution
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f164/cummins-ecm-repair-tips-123306/index7.html#post822223

[donniemnemonic]

the ECM was in good condition. recalibrate with INSITE try to increase power from 435 to 460 and there was the problem ...downloading the calibration only reached 65% and then failed.Lel I'm using 9-pin connector that I do not have the 6 pin.
What does arrive ECM pin connector pins diagnosis of 6?
Does it bind to the sensor wires?

Hi m8
Sorry did not get your question earlier. If the connector is in the truck cab then that usually leads to the OEM harness and if its near the ecm @ the engine side that would be from the sensor harness.
Hope you are answered
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[alsop]

I've recalibrated fleet ecms and had the same problem on some vehicles. If vehicle battery supply is below 10 volts problems start. Also have blown out three Inline 5 data links when using the USB ports. The port runs hot and is not recommended for reprograming. If you are using a laptop a remote power supply is a must and a RS232 cable works best. Some in the same ecm family will program using J1708 as well as the 9 pin J1939. I have only had to use the rom boot cable twice. its a pain to setup and I don't think it was needed. As long as you can communicate it should take any program in its identified range.

[eshis]

hello ... I can help with a diagram of the diagnostic connector 6-pin, and a wiring diagram CELECT

[jctech]

hello ... I can help with a diagram of the diagnostic connector 6-pin, and a wiring diagram CELECT

You will also find the 6 pin connector on here
https://rapidshare.com/files/2299333416/wiring_diagrams_L10-M11-N14-.pdf

[eshis]

Hello .... I can not download a calibration to a CELECT 003-0000 for an error.
I say put it to bot room,
but according to the diagram of the harness room bot pins 4 and 22 must complete data.
but according to the diagram of the ECM these pins have 5 volts to the sensors.
It attempts to connect using pins 4 and 22 but I can not.
Please someone give me a detailed guide on how to put the bot room mode ECM

[jctech]

Hello .... I can not download a calibration to a CELECT 003-0000 for an error.
I say put it to bot room,
but according to the diagram of the harness room bot pins 4 and 22 must complete data.
but according to the diagram of the ECM these pins have 5 volts to the sensors.
It attempts to connect using pins 4 and 22 but I can not.
Please someone give me a detailed guide on how to put the bot room mode ECM

go to the beginning of this thread, rom boot is discussed on page 5

[shisik]

tell me how do I flash the engine died after flashing insit program. ECM can be restored only ***1057;alterm I have no firmware file and E2M file. HELP

BACKGROUND ON THE ENGINE
Refinement of Original
Engine serial number 11855565
Number of factory purchase order SO40769
Plant CEP - Columbus Engine Plant
Date of manufacture 01 Aug 1997
Date of commencement of warranties 08 Aug 1997
Customer number 2870
name of customer
Code module ECM Not Available For This Engine
Number fuel pump for the directory 3085405
Calibration of fuel pump 6580
microfiche, FF
Number complete engine D093628BB08
Number of parts of the checklist CPL2398
EPA Model Name VCE855EJDARA
The name of the marketing model N14-370-435ESPPLUS
Name serviced model N14 CELECT Plus

[hpcummins]

tell me how do I flash the engine died after flashing insit program. ECM can be restored only ***1057;alterm I have no firmware file and E2M file. HELP

BACKGROUND ON THE ENGINE
Refinement of Original
Engine serial number 11855565
Number of factory purchase order SO40769
Plant CEP - Columbus Engine Plant
Date of manufacture 01 Aug 1997
Date of commencement of warranties 08 Aug 1997
Customer number 2870
name of customer
Code module ECM Not Available For This Engine
Number fuel pump for the directory 3085405
Calibration of fuel pump 6580
microfiche, FF
Number complete engine D093628BB08
Number of parts of the checklist CPL2398
EPA Model Name VCE855EJDARA
The name of the marketing model N14-370-435ESPPLUS
Name serviced model N14 CELECT Plus

First, are you using the datalink connector on the engine? If you use the one in the cab, this will happen. Try this: connect to the datalink connector on the engine, start Insite, turn key on for a few seconds, then turn key off and hit connect to ECM right after key off. You may be able to connect to ECM this way - it will be in a romboot state. Once you are connected flash it with Insite/Incal DVD. The features and parameter settings are probably lost so you may have to sort through that one at a time or if you have a similar truck on hand you can copy those settings. Good luck.

[shisik]

First, are you using the datalink connector on the engine? If you use the one in the cab, this will happen. Try this: connect to the datalink connector on the engine, start Insite, turn key on for a few seconds, then turn key off and hit connect to ECM right after key off. You may be able to connect to ECM this way - it will be in a romboot state. Once you are connected flash it with Insite/Incal DVD. The features and parameter settings are probably lost so you may have to sort through that one at a time or if you have a similar truck on hand you can copy those settings. Good luck.

Thank you. I'll try ... check post

[shisik]

First, are you using the datalink connector on the engine? If you use the one in the cab, this will happen. Try this: connect to the datalink connector on the engine, start Insite, turn key on for a few seconds, then turn key off and hit connect to ECM right after key off. You may be able to connect to ECM this way - it will be in a romboot state. Once you are connected flash it with Insite/Incal DVD. The features and parameter settings are probably lost so you may have to sort through that one at a time or if you have a similar truck on hand you can copy those settings. Good luck.

thank you help

[junior.manager]

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I am very grateful to all members of DK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[juanmnd]

dear guys woul you be so kind and help with a problem with a Cummins Celect Plus 3408303
I was being able to acces to the ECM, but it told me that the ECM needed to be recalibrated, so I selected autodetect calibration and suggested the right for the truck,

I follow all the steps to recalibrate, but at the end of all the operations the last 3 steps failed and the calibration did not transfer succesful.

I did all of this from the conection inside the driver cab,

after not workinf the calibration download process, I decided to to try with the connection from the engine, and looked like it was going to work , because some more new bars reload... making look good, and before I was able to turn the ignition key on...

again the transfer failed, the laptop disconnect from the ecm and now

I can not with ECM....
what can I do... the ECM is like not detected.. insite tell me to check connection but I know all cables are good...

thanks in advance for your help...
I will appreciate it a lot any help...

TAMBIEN hablo espanol.

Last Update:
Now the truck does not turn on, I'm in troubles, 'cause the first problem was too much smoke, but now, I have to make it turn on..
Any help is appreciate it a lot...
For next time and always use the engine conector 2-pin or 6-pin on Celect Plus engines. This applies to recalibrate engines only. All other porpuses can be done conecting on the Cabin Conetor underneath dash somewhere downthere is located.

Because calibration will fail and sometimes ECM will go blank like it did in your case. Take care now!

[mallelo]

how can i get the ecm password cummins motor

[elslow]

post your pc id i will give password remove counts

[eshis]

hello. I need to recalibrate an ECM; CELECT. do not know how to put it into bootloader mode and method of Celect Plus that does not work on pins 4 and 22 no data ....
Somebody help me


hola. necesito recalibrar un ECM; CELECT . no se como ponerlo en modo de arranque y el metodo del CeLECT Plus no funciona por que en los pines 4 y 22 no hay datos....
Que alguien me ayude.

[eshis]

I can not do directly, because the download fails.
The ECM is with traces but is in good condition.

no lo puedo hacer directamente porque la descarga falla.
El ECM esta con huella pero esta en buena condicion

[donniemnemonic]

I can not do directly, because the download fails.
The ECM is with traces but is in good condition.

no lo puedo hacer directamente porque la descarga falla.
El ECM esta con huella pero esta en buena condicion


Hi m8.
Don't know if this will help but try connecting to insite then start a calibration sessision. When at around 33 or so % disconnect ecm from insite and that should leave it in a rom-booted state.
Works for me.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[eshis]

I can not know the status of the download it from the beginning indicates 65% and after a while the download fails

[donniemnemonic]

I can not know the status of the download it from the beginning indicates 65% and after a while the download fails

Hi m8

Which program are you using? And where are you connected to the ecm either OEM or Sensor connector. Also are you using the rom-boot cable?

[eshis]

I am using the boot rom as this on page 5 and
the INSITE program

[donniemnemonic]

I am using the boot rom as this on page 5 and
the INSITE program

Hi m8.
You did not mention to which cavity of the ecm you are connected. This is very important because the rom-boot cable works better on the sensor harness. Also when connected to the ecm how does the j1708 or j1939 light on your inline adapter behave?

[eshis]

I am using the sensor connector.(j 1708)
please tell me exactly as I boot rom cable for an ECM CELECT:

[donniemnemonic]

I am using the sensor connector.(j 1708)
please tell me exactly as I boot rom cable for an ECM CELECT:

Hi m8.
Sorry I don't understand what you mean???

[donniemnemonic]

Hi m8s.
Can someone please help me with cpl and injector part numbers for the following cummins N14 engine serial number 11705397.
Many thanks in advance.
Donniemnemonic

[hpcummins]

11705397 is CPL 1574. Injector part number is 3081315 or 3652542RX recon.

[eshis]

please help. I need the wiring diagram for a rom boot ECM CELECT (ECM-B), and tell me the time to press the button 1.

I've tried with the diagram on page 5 does not work because it is for a CELECT Plus ECM (ECM-C)

[hpcummins]

please help. I need the wiring diagram for a rom boot ECM CELECT (ECM-B), and tell me the time to press the button 1.

I've tried with the diagram on page 5 does not work because it is for a CELECT Plus ECM (ECM-C)

The celect ECM does not support romboot as far as I can tell - look at the attached list of cables, ECMB is listed as romboot = no.

[eshis]

The celect ECM does not support romboot as far as I can tell - look at the attached list of cables, ECMB is listed as romboot = no.

Thanks ... but I mean how can recalibrate a ECM CELECT (ECM-B)?

[jctech]

Thanks ... but I mean how can recalibrate a ECM CELECT (ECM-B)?

You do not have to Rom Boot the ECM before calibrating.
Rom Boot is used to recover an ECM from an invalid state.

Use Insite and a valid InCal disc, and follow the instruction on the screen.
Make sure your vehicle has good batteries, make sure your PC is connected to the mains, and all power save features are disabled (screen saver hibernate etc) make sure vehicle modules that communicate with the ECM are disabled (ABS etc)

[eshis]

You do not have to Rom Boot the ECM before calibrating.
Rom Boot is used to recover an ECM from an invalid state.

Use Insite and a valid InCal disc, and follow the instruction on the screen.
Make sure your vehicle has good batteries, make sure your PC is connected to the mains, and all power save features are disabled (screen saver hibernate etc) make sure vehicle modules that communicate with the ECM are disabled (ABS etc)

I programmed the ECM is to trace.

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

Engine Speed Surges During Throttle Pedal Operation
Kenworth C500 with Cummins Engine N14-435Eplus during road uphill loaded engine stalled and sluggish Throttle Pedal does not function optimally (safe mode/1500 rpm), but if the streets flat return to normal even though at all times be trouble as above (fault code 242).after our check the ECM there is a section of burning on the PCB that is connected to Actuator Connector, possibility Resistor/ capacitor, which consists of 6 pcs, numbers in a physical 475-50K - 430, the color white and was burn is 1 pcs.
Our question is what component sunk, specifications, part names in the market, whether it was true because it is large enough to cause problems?
Please help experts DK et al.
Many thank you guys for your supported.:giveup:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/194009-roy-suryadwiananda/

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

Engine Speed Surges During Throttle Pedal Operation
Kenworth C500 with Cummins Engine N14-435Eplus during road uphill loaded engine stalled and sluggish Throttle Pedal does not function optimally (safe mode/1500 rpm), but if the streets flat return to normal even though at all times be trouble as above (fault code 242).after our check the ECM there is a section of burning on the PCB that is connected to Actuator Connector, possibility Resistor/ capacitor, which consists of 6 pcs, numbers in a physical 475-50K - 430, the color white and was burn is 1 pcs.
Our question is what component sunk, specifications, part names in the market, whether it was true because it is large enough to cause problems?
Please help experts DK et al.
Many thank you guys for your supported.:giveup:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/194009-roy-suryadwiananda/
this picture for burned component PCB.

[donniemnemonic]

this picture for burned component PCB.


Hi m8.
The component that burnt on your ecm is indeed a capacitor and is associated with your number 3 injector circuit. Have read your post over a couple of times but still having difficulties in understanding fully what help you need. Sorry I cannot be more helpful. Please try to help me understand so that I can help you.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

[makura]

The celect ECM does not support romboot as far as I can tell - look at the attached list of cables, ECMB is listed as romboot = no.
Trust me rom boot cables will work on a celect ecm.

[eshis]

Trust me rom boot cables will work on a celect ecm.
How do I get this cable? ... and how do I use?

[makura]

How do I get this cable? ... and how do I use?
Go back a few pages and you will find the schematics of how to make one.
Press the rom boot button then turn the ecm on then release button,then go to the calterm,tools,unlock and select-display current status-you will see were it says-calibration security and it will say secure,now click on switch and after click again on show current status it should now say unknown or something like that.Now you can connect to ecm again and select a calibration code and calibrate.
Job done on Celect ecm :listen:

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

Hi m8.
The component that burnt on your ecm is indeed a capacitor and is associated with your number 3 injector circuit. Have read your post over a couple of times but still having difficulties in understanding fully what help you need. Sorry I cannot be more helpful. Please try to help me understand so that I can help you.
Regards
Donniemnemonic

Okay guys, sorry my English is not good, exactly what size and type of capacitor is and names in the market ? in physical written 474-50K-430 mean anything?
This item is quite small, but whether the effect is quite large, so the engine speed up and down.
Thank you for your attention

Please wiring Diagram for this ECM

[eshis]

Go back a few pages and you will find the schematics of how to make one.
Press the rom boot button then turn the ecm on then release button,then go to the calterm,tools,unlock and select-display current status-you will see were it says-calibration security and it will say secure,now click on switch and after click again on show current status it should now say unknown or something like that.Now you can connect to ecm again and select a calibration code and calibrate.
Job done on Celect ecm :listen:

Are you referring to the diagram on page 5?

[eshis]

Go back a few pages and you will find the schematics of how to make one.
Press the rom boot button then turn the ecm on then release button,then go to the calterm,tools,unlock and select-display current status-you will see were it says-calibration security and it will say secure,now click on switch and after click again on show current status it should now say unknown or something like that.Now you can connect to ecm again and select a calibration code and calibrate.
Job done on Celect ecm :listen:

You mean the diagram published by Peter 21?

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

Please guys , help me for wiring diagram and spec. for N14-435E+ Cummins Celect ECM p/n. 3408300 or 3408303 .
Thank you.

[gizmo666]

I just wonder what is the best way to open these cummins ecus?

[jctech]

I just wonder what is the best way to open these cummins ecus?

You will most likely damage the folded PCB when you try to open it.
The PCB is on the rear of the folded outer case, folded over an inner frame.

[lucianocasco]

hola necesito el software de inline heavy _duty serial data link adapter es un meets tmc rp1202 sae j 1708 muchas gracias

[lucianocasco]

Hello I need the software of inline heavy metal _duty serial byline link adapter is a meets tmc rp1202 sae j 1708 thank you very much

[hpcummins]

Hello I need the software of inline heavy metal _duty serial byline link adapter is a meets tmc rp1202 sae j 1708 thank you very much

Is this what you are looking for?
Cummins Inline 5 Driver Download (http://inline.cummins.com/downloads/i5driver.html)

[Thecell]

I just wonder what is the best way to open these cummins ecus?

We open them quite regularly by using a small exact o blade and slowly pry (little by little) the cover off. The sealant will give way only a little bit...thus the razor blade. It is like skinning a deer.. I will try and send pictures later.

[gizmo666]

i have open this ecu already and my method was very similar with yours.

I also find burned overcurrent/prot diode inside of ecu and now its not blowing any fuses anymore but engine is not running yet... any ideas what else could be wrong/damaged?

My customer have start the machine with start booster:(

[Thecell]

i have open this ecu already and my method was very similar with yours.

I also find burned overcurrent/prot diode inside of ecu and now its not blowing any fuses anymore but engine is not running yet... any ideas what else could be wrong/damaged?

My customer have start the machine with start booster:(

Are you able to replace the Diodes on the ECM? If so, depending on how they boosted / started the truck, they could have had a low power /voltage situation which would have put a heavier load on the internal protection that cummins provides....we have seen this many times. The other possibility is the charger they used was suppling too much voltage and this could damage the Diodes as well. Check any capacitors in proximity to the diode as this is the normal circuit...they could have been damaged as well. Cummins has a very detailed procedure for jump starting a vehicle with their ecm in it....I'll see if I can locate and post for you.

Do you have a picture of the board / circuit. can you follow the traces in that area?

In circuit testing of components can be tricky, but can be accomplished if needed.

[gizmo666]

yes i have replaced damaged protection diodes on the ecm but there still something wrong on that ecm, i need to take a better look on the next week because now i am on the holiday:)

[Thecell]

yes i have replaced damaged protection diodes on the ecm but there still something wrong on that ecm, i need to take a better look on the next week because now i am on the holiday:)

Normally if the diodes are bad the capacitor associated with it is bad as part of that circuit.

[donniemnemonic]

Hi all.
Compliments of the new season. Have a celect plus ecm part number 3408300 that came off a truck that logged code 111 and we resolved the issue by replacing the ecm. Now once connected to insite i get the message that the ecm is password protected but I cannot seem to remove the password using zappit in insite. Have tried connecting the ecm to calterm to try and unlock there but the lock status does not display and looking in the lower left corner of the calterm console a ? displays where the padlock icon is normally displayed and again I cannot seem to change the lock status there. Have tried rom-botting the ecm but once you key off the effects of rom-boot are reversed without affecting the ecm. My question is if anyone has come across such a situation before.

Regrds
Donniemnemonic

[jctech]

Hi all.
Compliments of the new season. Have a celect plus ecm part number 3408300 that came off a truck that logged code 111 and we resolved the issue by replacing the ecm. Now once connected to insite i get the message that the ecm is password protected but I cannot seem to remove the password using zappit in insite. Have tried connecting the ecm to calterm to try and unlock there but the lock status does not display and looking in the lower left corner of the calterm console a ? displays where the padlock icon is normally displayed and again I cannot seem to change the lock status there. Have tried rom-botting the ecm but once you key off the effects of rom-boot are reversed without affecting the ecm. My question is if anyone has come across such a situation before.

Regrds
Donniemnemonic

I have not come across this before, have you tried using unlock to put the ECM into 5EED, this is an electronic Rom Boot, the other thing to try would be to use unlock to put the ECM into 1D0A (just what it says), disconnect and key off, reconnect and put the ECM inot 600D (good) or 5EED.

[donniemnemonic]

I have not come across this before, have you tried using unlock to put the ECM into 5EED, this is an electronic Rom Boot, the other thing to try would be to use unlock to put the ECM into 1D0A (just what it says), disconnect and key off, reconnect and put the ECM inot 600D (good) or 5EED.


Hi Jctech.
Tried all that but ecm not taking to changes.

Rgds
Donniemnemonic

[Thecell]

Here are the open ECM, from a DDEC-IV and the new MAXFORCE (ALL) ECM opened.

:party:

[pittik]

I am trying to download(send) calibration to CM870 ECM.
It erases calibrations inside ECMs but when it comes to writing it stops around 3-4-5%, and gives error that the connection is lost.
I am using bench connector, and Noregon adapter.
Inline adapter makes same problem.

[mdrizo]

Hello proved in the CELECT change the memories of two new blank memory and try to recalibrate the module with insite?

[Thecell]

I am trying to download(send) calibration to CM870 ECM.
It erases calibrations inside ECMs but when it comes to writing it stops around 3-4-5%, and gives error that the connection is lost.
I am using bench connector, and Noregon adapter.
Inline adapter makes same problem.

Do you have the EOL (end of line 120 ohm) resistor in your wiring harness?

[pittik]

I am not sure that I have it.
I got the cable from Mawks industries.

[justme84]

Hi all.
Compliments of the new season. Have a celect plus ecm part number 3408300 that came off a truck that logged code 111 and we resolved the issue by replacing the ecm. Now once connected to insite i get the message that the ecm is password protected but I cannot seem to remove the password using zappit in insite. Have tried connecting the ecm to calterm to try and unlock there but the lock status does not display and looking in the lower left corner of the calterm console a ? displays where the padlock icon is normally displayed and again I cannot seem to change the lock status there. Have tried rom-botting the ecm but once you key off the effects of rom-boot are reversed without affecting the ecm. My question is if anyone has come across such a situation before.

Regrds
Donniemnemonic

I have come across situations where changes made in Calterm would be reversed once the ecm is Keyed off, I made my changes, switched into Insite and ran a New Cal into ECM and that saved the changes Permantly. Might be something you could try.

[alsop]

I am not sure that I have it.
I got the cable from Mawks industries.I made this setup and posted them in another thread. Your cable setup should be the same. The ECM's that are compatible are listed on the ROM boot JPG. The part# should also match.
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachments/f164/41648d1291578487-cummins-ecm-repair-tips-rom_boot_img.jpg
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachments/f164/42590d1292235161-cummins-ecm-repair-tips-power.jpg

[alsop]

I am trying to download(send) calibration to CM870 ECM.
It erases calibrations inside ECMs but when it comes to writing it stops around 3-4-5%, and gives error that the connection is lost.
I am using bench connector, and Noregon adapter.
Inline adapter makes same problem.After looking at the diagram i'm sure you will get the proper communications using J1708 and not J1939.

[mathura]

ISM ECM- The engine idles at 700 rpm for about 2 to 3 mins then it will start climbing gradually to about 1200 rpm and stays there.
Replaced TPS sensor with no results. the only code that is active is 123. replaced manifold sensor no improvement fault code 123 remains.

Can anything be done about this ECM

[Thecell]

I am not sure that I have it.
I got the cable from Mawks industries.

I would check the plug to see if a resistor is across the communication lines...I will try and get a picture of our setup by tomorrow to show what I am talking about.

[alsop]

ISM ECM- The engine idles at 700 rpm for about 2 to 3 mins then it will start climbing gradually to about 1200 rpm and stays there.
Replaced TPS sensor with no results. the only code that is active is 123. replaced manifold sensor no improvement fault code 123 remains.

Can anything be done about this ECMSounds like the intake sensor is trying to tell the engine it has a condition to increase RPMs. Here is the recommended trouble shoot pdf.

[pittik]

Thank You very very much!

@TheCell, please send me that photo, and I will see is it the same.
Also send me the resistor value.

[mathura]

Sounds like the intake sensor is trying to tell the engine it has a condition to increase RPMs. Here is the recommended trouble shoot pdf.

I did all of those checks and even replaced the intake sensor, but I am wondering if the ECM is the probelm. All wiring were double checked for open or short.

Can this ECM be repaired

[jctech]

ISM ECM- The engine idles at 700 rpm for about 2 to 3 mins then it will start climbing gradually to about 1200 rpm and stays there.
Replaced TPS sensor with no results. the only code that is active is 123. replaced manifold sensor no improvement fault code 123 remains.

Can anything be done about this ECM


The engine idle speed should not alter based on the boost pressure sensor, (good or faulty), and active FC 123 will mean that the ECM will be ignoring the boost pressure sensor and using a default value.
Use insite to monitor throttle pedal position, also PTO and secondary throtle.

Most likely you have a restriction in the return fuel pipe or faulty return check valve. disconnect the return and return check valve and run the engine, or measure the return fuel restriction.

[mathura]

The engine idle speed should not alter based on the boost pressure sensor, (good or faulty), and active FC 123 will mean that the ECM will be ignoring the boost pressure sensor and using a default value.
Use insite to monitor throttle pedal position, also PTO and secondary throtle.

Most likely you have a restriction in the return fuel pipe or faulty return check valve. disconnect the return and return check valve and run the engine, or measure the return fuel restriction.


Thanks jctech, never thought of fuel restriction but I will give it a try. I always felt that the ECM was the probelm

[Poptest]

Thanks jctech, never thought of fuel restriction but I will give it a try. I always felt that the ECM was the probelm

I had a similar problem.....faulty injector/s. With Insite, try to disable one injector at a time.

[mathura]

I had a similar problem.....faulty injector/s. With Insite, try to disable one injector at a time.

Thanks Poptest
More info the better. but.... you think its not the ECM

[Thecell]

pittik,

here are the pictures of the new Cummins CM2250 ECM and our test / programming harness.

99851

99854

:manuflag:

[ddmech]

That looks like some of my wiring Bob,LOL!

[alsop]

pittik,

here are the pictures of the new Cummins CM2250 ECM and our test / programming harness.

99851

99854

:manuflag:

I think this setup is awesome, that someone besides Cummins makes tools we can work with. They put the 60 ohm resistor in the 9 pin receptacle.

[Poptest]

Thanks Poptest
More info the better. but.... you think its not the ECM

I don't think this is an ECM problem. See attached Service Parts Topic about injector spill port erosion. It may help.

But since injector replacement is an expensive fix, I suggest you do JCtech's tips first: check TPS and IVS/ISS if it is really "on idle", and also check for return line restriction.......before considering injector replacement.

[isahelios]

Thanks Ortiz, Do you have the Celect Plus diagram that you could share?

[jctech]

Thanks Ortiz, Do you have the Celect Plus diagram that you could share?

Do a search, the C Plus wiring diagrams have been shared many times

[Thecell]

I think this setup is awesome, that someone besides Cummins makes tools we can work with. They put the 60 ohm resistor in the 9 pin receptacle.

Thanks for the compliment alsop... The picture below is how we generate ANY of the analog signals needed to simulate any situation or condition the ECM might encounter. We built it in house at a very nominal cost each. It gives us from -1.2 volts to +5.5 volts.

100049

:manuflag:

[mathura]

I don't think this is an ECM problem. See attached Service Parts Topic about injector spill port erosion. It may help.

But since injector replacement is an expensive fix, I suggest you do JCtech's tips first: check TPS and IVS/ISS if it is really "on idle", and also check for return line restriction.......before considering injector replacement.

Thank you Poptest
Good information, I did not get a chance to look at the engine as yet, but I was talking to the owner to get at the history of the engine.

I am told that adjustments were done to injectors and valves and 2 injector pushrods were bent shortly after the adjustment.
I am thinking if the guy adjusted the injectors too thight could it be possible that the injectors were damaged, causing this probelm.

Of course I will follow JCtech advise first but I am beginning to think differently after I spoke with the owner and reading the attachment from your post.

[pittik]

Thank you.
Can You tell me which pins does it exactly connects?

[alsop]

Thanks for the compliment alsop... The picture below is how we generate ANY of the analog signals needed to simulate any situation or condition the ECM might encounter. We built it in house at a very nominal cost each. It gives us from -1.2 volts to +5.5 volts.

100049

:manuflag:
I found this service bulletin on the bench cable that is giving you problems. It is in word format. Hope it helps.

[isahelios]

Hi DK Members
I***8217;m trying to use a NEXIQ USB Link to connect to a Cummins Celect Plus, I***8217;ve followed the engine wiring diagrams to make my own bench cable using the following:

Description ECM
Ground C Connector 09, 25 27
12V C Connector 20,21,22,23
J1939+ A Connector 10
J1939- A Connector 20
J1939shield A Connector 21
Ignition C Connector 26


I'm using the USB connection and my computer doesn't have a Bluetooth adapter (I***8217;ve read that this can be a problem even though I configured the scanner to work with the USB only)


Can somebody share the pin outs for the Deutsch -9 connector?

I keep getting error 5202
Thanks for all your shared information.

[alsop]

Hi DK Members
I***8217;m trying to use a NEXIQ USB Link to connect to a Cummins Celect Plus, I***8217;ve followed the engine wiring diagrams to make my own bench cable using the following:

Description ECM
Ground C Connector 09, 25 27
12V C Connector 20,21,22,23
J1939+ A Connector 10
J1939- A Connector 20
J1939shield A Connector 21
Ignition C Connector 26


I'm using the USB connection and my computer doesn't have a Bluetooth adapter (I***8217;ve read that this can be a problem even though I configured the scanner to work with the USB only)


Can somebody share the pin outs for the Deutsch -9 connector?

I keep getting error 5202
Thanks for all your shared information.Post 424 one page back are the 9 pin connector pin outs.

[pbateman]

Hey fellow Dk friends! got a quick question about an ECU. I had to re do 2 engines and when my guys pulled the engine out of the one truck they banged the ECU pretty hard well it messed it up and I have a spare one off a wrecked truck that I want to put on it. Do you have to do anything for mileage and ETC.. When changing over or can you just swap? They are both identical trucks and have the same engines and software set up. We have never really had an ECU issue as till now so I have never had to swap out so was just checking before I make anything permenant. Thanks for any help in advance:shakehands:

[Thecell]

Hey fellow Dk friends! got a quick question about an ECU. I had to re do 2 engines and when my guys pulled the engine out of the one truck they banged the ECU pretty hard well it messed it up and I have a spare one off a wrecked truck that I want to put on it. Do you have to do anything for mileage and ETC.. When changing over or can you just swap? They are both identical trucks and have the same engines and software set up. We have never really had an ECU issue as till now so I have never had to swap out so was just checking before I make anything permenant. Thanks for any help in advance:shakehands:

pbateman,

You can set the milage to the old milage on the banged up ECM using calterm. This is recommended if you want to sell the truck at a later date. If the prospective owner does what most are doing nowdays, they pull the ECM report and analyze....the numbers wouldn't match. If the truck is a lease, GET THE MILAGE CORRECT....the leasing company could get you for the full value of the truck new, and then they could claim fraud....

Just a different position....:motz:

[pbateman]

thanks for the info thecell was just making sure. I can communicate with the old damaged ecu the spot that got damaged was for the throttle and the intake sensor. So I will do that come Monday. Appreciate the help

[jctech]

Hey fellow Dk friends! got a quick question about an ECU. I had to re do 2 engines and when my guys pulled the engine out of the one truck they banged the ECU pretty hard well it messed it up and I have a spare one off a wrecked truck that I want to put on it. Do you have to do anything for mileage and ETC.. When changing over or can you just swap? They are both identical trucks and have the same engines and software set up. We have never really had an ECU issue as till now so I have never had to swap out so was just checking before I make anything permenant. Thanks for any help in advance:shakehands:

You can also do it with Insite, Mileage and/or Hours Offset.
usually used when fiting a new ECM to get the mileage and hours correct to the vehicle display.
In this instance you would enter the mileage difference between the two ECM's

[pbateman]

thanks for the info jtech i thought it was able to be dine through insite. so far we have had no bad luck with Ecu's and this will be our first one in the 10yrs ive been with the company.

[shane3276]

hello everone, lots of good info on this form. I have a n14 celect that one of the alluminum cap burnt the bord and track, was wondering if could replace with new cap and a small wire where the track burnt. or use a cap that is not surface mount. the cap is 100uf 6v. your feed back would help alot.thanks

[Fool2cool]

Hi all, I have a CM800 on my bench at the moment which will not communicate with Insite at all, the truck was a non runner with it on, after replacing the ECM on the truck the truck now starts so this ECM is obviously faulty, on visual inspection the board appears to be ok.

Does anyone know any common faults on these ECM's?

Thanks

[Thecell]

Hi all, I have a CM800 on my bench at the moment which will not communicate with Insite at all, the truck was a non runner with it on, after replacing the ECM on the truck the truck now starts so this ECM is obviously faulty, on visual inspection the board appears to be ok.

Does anyone know any common faults on these ECM's?

Thanks

Do you have a picture of the open ecm board? If so post and we might be able to POINT and SHOOT at the normal culpit...it is normally the 1939 communication chipset that takes a hit..fairly easy to replace if you can do some board cleaning and sm (surface mount) soldering....

[Fool2cool]

I can get some board shots up later, however I've talked to it via J1708 and I get no response from it via that either. Ive also noticed that on a working ECU the key on state powers up the power protection IC, whereas on this broken one the key on state makes no difference, I get no 5v on the accelerator pedal feed pin and no power to the protection IC.

Thanks

[Thecell]

I can get some board shots up later, however I've talked to it via J1708 and I get no response from it via that either. Ive also noticed that on a working ECU the key on state powers up the power protection IC, whereas on this broken one the key on state makes no difference, I get no 5v on the accelerator pedal feed pin and no power to the protection IC.

Thanks

Sounds like a fuse internal or a power regulator i.e. 12 volt to 5 volt.
The photos will help diagnose.
The 1708 or 1939 are simply overlays on the communication bus...as a protocol...like letters create a language, but there are many combinations of the letters to communicate with in many languages.

[Fool2cool]

Ive checked the voltage regulator, and I get 5v out of that. This is a 24v system as well.

[Fool2cool]

Requested photos:

[l69305]

Well colleagues.We sent a ECM for a ISB in a 98 Freightliner FL 70.ECM Part Number is 3942858.What I would like to know is.Is there a different Part number that is Capable of controling and be flashed of course with running files?On another note,but relavent.We sent the ECM to a place called GoECM Diesel.It was supposed to be Two day turn around to rebuild and reflash.After waiting seven working days checked on status.First they had no clue on it.Get paper work in line call back.It's oh we're behind.Now today it's ten working days.They claim they have reworked it three time to no avail.Processor is bad.I'm not a rocket scientist,but I would have to think the CPU would be surface mount soldered on the board and replaced in the process.Any one deal with these guys before.Starting to feel we are being flim flammed.Thank's to who read this long drawed post.

[jctech]

Well colleagues.We sent a ECM for a ISB in a 98 Freightliner FL 70.ECM Part Number is 3942858.What I would like to know is.Is there a different Part number that is Capable of controling and be flashed of course with running files?On another note,but relavent.We sent the ECM to a place called GoECM Diesel.It was supposed to be Two day turn around to rebuild and reflash.After waiting seven working days checked on status.First they had no clue on it.Get paper work in line call back.It's oh we're behind.Now today it's ten working days.They claim they have reworked it three time to no avail.Processor is bad.I'm not a rocket scientist,but I would have to think the CPU would be surface mount soldered on the board and replaced in the process.Any one deal with these guys before.Starting to feel we are being flim flammed.Thank's to who read this long drawed post.

That ECM part number was superseded by part numbers 3942860, 3944124, 3990517 in sequence. Most superseding ECM's can be calibrated with a calibration to suit an earlier ECM, (but not always the other way round)
Post your engine serial number if you need more info.
The VP44 pump engine should be around in wrecking yards to get a used ECM from.

Available as a ReCon (service exchange part) from Cummins

[l69305]

Thank you jctech.I'm off today for medical appointments and blood test.But when i go back I'll grab ESN for that truck if the guys haven't found a soloution.Heck N Power couldn't seem to give us a straight answer to are Problem.

[dread]

Hie Mandao

your problem could be caused by a short circuit in the ECM. check if any fault codes are loged and again it could be your switch, if not test the wires to the switch for continuity using a multimeter.
if that doesn't work you can try to remove the ECM harness and clean the contacts with DW40

[mondao]

Hie Mandao

your problem could be caused by a short circuit in the ECM. check if any fault codes are loged and again it could be your switch, if not test the wires to the switch for continuity using a multimeter.
if that doesn't work you can try to remove the ECM harness and clean the contacts with DW40
solve the problem by changing the ecm, thanks :)

[mathura]

Can anyone help me to identify this Cummins ECM and any chance of a schematic.

The ECM part # is 5613727 and it has two 28pin ports on the side of the ecm.

[mathura]

Can anyone help me to identify this Cummins ECM and any chance of a schematic.

The ECM part # is 5613727 and it has two 28pin ports on the side of the ecm.

Experts of Cummins

Please advise

[hugos31]

hi ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[donniemnemonic]

Experts of Cummins

Please advise


Hi m8

Post pictures of your ecm that could help us help you.

Regards
Donniemnemonic

[mathura]

Hi m8

Post pictures of your ecm that could help us help you.

Regards
Donniemnemonic

Here are the pictures of the ECM with 2 plugs

[mathura]

This is a Cummins Celect ECM, The probelm is the engine idles only.
I opened the ECM and noticed the component in red circle of the back circuit board is burnt, could this be the reason.

[mang5087]

Here are the pictures of the ECM with 2 plugs
what is your engine s/n i may can help. thanks

[jctech]

Here are the pictures of the ECM with 2 plugs

This is a N14 or L10 Pace engine ECM.

Pace and PT Pacer were the first automotive electronic engines.
They used a Centry style control system.

[Thecell]

This is a Cummins Celect ECM, The probelm is the engine idles only.


I opened the ECM and noticed the component in red circle of the back circuit board is burnt, could this be the reason.
That looks to be a capacitor, similar to the pairs below. If the values are similar (or the part numbers are the same on the top) You could replace the component and give it a shot. Capacitors do were out... if you have a closeup of the face of the Capacitor next to the burned out one, I can give you the value....then you can order from Mouser.com etc.

[mathura]

That looks to be a capacitor, similar to the pairs below. If the values are similar (or the part numbers are the same on the top) You could replace the component and give it a shot. Capacitors do were out... if you have a closeup of the face of the Capacitor next to the burned out one, I can give you the value....then you can order from Mouser.com etc.

Here are the numbers on the capicator

475
50K
507
They are in the order as above

Thanks

[Roy Suryadwiananda]

The engine idle speed should not alter based on the boost pressure sensor, (good or faulty), and active FC 123 will mean that the ECM will be ignoring the boost pressure sensor and using a default value.
Use insite to monitor throttle pedal position, also PTO and secondary throtle.

Most likely you have a restriction in the return fuel pipe or faulty return check valve. disconnect the return and return check valve and run the engine, or measure the return fuel restriction.

Please replaced Idle Validation Switch guys.:hello:

[Thecell]

Here are the numbers on the capicator

475
50K
507
They are in the order as above

Thanks

475 is 4.7 uF
50K is not valid
507 is 500 uF

mouser part numbers are as follows:

4.7 uF - 581-TCJC475M050R
500 uF - 581-TPME477M010R0023

total cost would be $12.00 not including shipping.

Best guess would be the 475 or 4.7uF. remove the burned out cap and be sure to use flux to clean up the pad.

Best of luck m8

[joe gp]

hi guys

got an isx ecm that has its correct 130V on my cap but no comms on data adapter??

any help would be highly appreciated

regards
joe

[joe gp]

regarding the 2 plug celect above:

i once had that ecm and it was for a generator so just make sure thats the correct ecm for that engine. if so then celect ecm's pedal switch is controlled by a 6V cap located on that data board next to the ribbon cable....replace that cap and bobs ur uncle.

hope this helps.

[baroca]

Maybe this will help to make my own bench cable:
TUCRRC (http://tucrrc.utulsa.edu/CumminsWithoutWiring.html)

[ramianek]

Hey.
Should I request.
The Nissan car I calibrated ECM.
Original AP 90095.00, 90095.06 AP present.
calibrace to me during some value from destroying originalnalu.
I have rewritten some value in FEATURES and PARAMETERS.
I think it would ever been able to send me a new - modified from the original calibration parameters?
In Annex image unit.
thanks

translated via google, sorry

[jctech]

Hey.
Should I request.
The Nissan car I calibrated ECM.
Original AP 90095.00, 90095.06 AP present.
calibrace to me during some value from destroying originalnalu.
I have rewritten some value in FEATURES and PARAMETERS.
I think it would ever been able to send me a new - modified from the original calibration parameters?
In Annex image unit.
thanks

translated via google, sorry

Hi Ramianek,
You have to print out the full list of features and parameters, and change them one at a time.
The calibration on the DVD is a generic calibration, (for all engines) and has no Nissan features set up in it.
Whenever you calibrate an automotive engine always select save and restore features and parameters

The Insite job image you attached looks like an original image from the Nissan truck, it has calibration 90095.00.
If your job image was not from a footprinted ECM, to download all the reatures and parameters from this job image to your ECM is not difficult.
Do you have any other job image?

First you have to create a template from the job image.
To create a template
open Insite without opening a job image
click on work orders on the left hand task pane
click on the work order 3Z60327 Korduliak WO-20120418-102926
right click on the job image I-20120418-102926311 (initial - footprinted)
from the right click menu select transfer to template

Second you transfer the template to the ECM.
connect to your engine
right click on the template and select send to ECM

[ramianek]

Thanks a lot.
both reaches, I'll try it.
I pass options to replace a hand.
I am still wondering whether item CALIBRATION TIME / DATE STAMP I have to overwrite the old calibration to the new one.
In this new item is empty.

I would also ask for the procedure to FC 3575 engine ISBe E5 - CM2150. A total rush. thanks

[jctech]

Thanks a lot.
both reaches, I'll try it.
I pass options to replace a hand.
I am still wondering whether item CALIBRATION TIME / DATE STAMP I have to overwrite the old calibration to the new one.
In this new item is empty.

I would also ask for the procedure to FC 3575 engine ISBe E5 - CM2150. A total rush. thanks

You will not be able to edit any parameter that has a padlock icon, if you try it will tell you "This Parameter is locked"

Troubleshooting steps are for an air operated system, if your truck does not use air, let me know.

[hunter1]

need a little advise from the cummins pro's
have 2004 isx 435 and want to take the egr stuff off
what calibration file is the best to use in the ecm
for this conversion
have insite v7.02 and incal june of 2009 and a way to set the date back on insite to use the older incal disc
will the real time clock setting in the ecm cause problems
if so is there away to change it thanks in advance for any help

[ricz]

Is there any way to find more info on the flash files on incal, for example, which flash files are safe for higher altitudes e.i 9000 ft above sea level.

[jctech]

need a little advise from the cummins pro's
have 2004 isx 435 and want to take the egr stuff off
what calibration file is the best to use in the ecm
for this conversion
have insite v7.02 and incal june of 2009 and a way to set the date back on insite to use the older incal disc
will the real time clock setting in the ecm cause problems
if so is there away to change it thanks in advance for any help

There is a thread that describes what to change to use old InCal disks, also the new discs are on here.
Real time clock will not cause a problem.
What ECM does your engine have, CM570?

[jctech]

Is there any way to find more info on the flash files on incal, for example, which flash files are safe for higher altitudes e.i 9000 ft above sea level.

In Calbration selection, highlight your calibration, right click and select properties.
All Cummins electronic engines later than Celect Plus are suited to high altitudes, the barometric pressure sensor senses altitude and adjusts fueling to suit.

[shane3276]

Hello everyone, Have m11 ecm 3619037 that runs sometime then it wont. took apart have 11.6 on big green cap. Had on diode bad next to transformer near actuater harness that was corroded. the two diodes olny have 8 volts and the other has 11 volts. Sure could use some help on this thing. Dont see anything burnt. thanks

[joe gp]

hi guys i have a litle problem with ecm celect P/N 3618046, this ecm have the active code 351. Injector power supply below specifications inside ECM.

This code to appear together with 434 code. i found problem in power supply to ecm. I repair it, and 434 code go to inactive but 351 still active...........Does someone know as repair this?

thanks in advanced.

hi
peter21

what did you repair to away the fault code 434?
makura if you could also assist id highly appreciate it bro

basically i have celect thats got a hard start and only starts with q20?

tx

[shane3276]

hello sill tring to fix ecm n14 cel. Im getting between 38 and 48 on big green cap. It keeps jumping and sounds like screem. If someone can point me in some direction. thanks

[395112801]

Need help - I need this the ECU the FLASH FILE , who some please share , thank you

[jctech]

Need help - I need this the ECU the FLASH FILE , who some please share , thank you

What engine is this, and what horsepower?

[395112801]

What engine is this, and what horsepower?
Thanks for the great friends

[jctech]

Thanks for the great friends

I think you need to get the calibration for this engine from Komatsu, the genuine Komatsu calibration will have your excavator setup in it, a generic calibration will not work for your excavator.

[jctech]

I have a CM850 ECM 3965159 that somebody tried to calibrate with a calibration for ECM 4921667.
the ECM communicates OK with Insite and Calterm, it has no calibration in it at present, and will not take a clibration with Insite or Calterm, I have tried Rom Boot cables, 5EED and 1D0A with Calterm,
anybody got any other ideas?

[alsop]

I have a CM850 ECM 3965159 that somebody tried to calibrate with a calibration for ECM 4921667.
the ECM communicates OK with Insite and Calterm, it has no calibration in it at present, and will not take a clibration with Insite or Calterm, I have tried Rom Boot cables, 5EED and 1D0A with Calterm,
anybody got any other ideas?
If it stars taking the same calibration that is installed, when the message preparing ecm for calibration shows up and finishes, pull the 4 wire power plug. Make sure every epa cert is moved into the list. Don't wait the thirty seconds. Plug it back in and restart calibration right away using a fleet count. In 2007, I watched a Cummins tech do the same thing but the first ecm smoked <literally> when starting the engine before he caught his mistake.

[ramianek]

i need calibration T90099.3 or T90099.4
please send me it to PM
thanks in advanced

Please, does anyone ECM Calibration history code T90099. ?
thanks

[zandokan]

i need calibration T90099.3 or T90099.4
please send me it to PM
thanks in advanced

Please, does anyone ECM Calibration history code T90099. ?
thanks
Serial Number please

[ramianek]

21508918
Please hurry.
thanks

[mondao]

21508918
Please hurry.
thanks
try this cal
engine program ISBe 4 and 6 cilinder
ecm part 4898112
ecm code T90099.10
DATE JULY 2012

[ramianek]

Thank you,
this I have calibration and after recalibration occurs FC 329
Before that there was T90099.03 and FC was not there.
So I do not know what to do.