I killed an ECM please help me to fix it - Cummins Celect Plus 3408303

[electrobato]

dear guys woul you be so kind and help with a problem with a Cummins Celect Plus 3408303
I was being able to acces to the ECM, but it told me that the ECM needed to be recalibrated, so I selected autodetect calibration and suggested the right for the truck,

I follow all the steps to recalibrate, but at the end of all the operations the last 3 steps failed and the calibration did not transfer succesful.

I did all of this from the conection inside the driver cab,

after not workinf the calibration download process, I decided to to try with the connection from the engine, and looked like it was going to work , because some more new bars reload... making look good, and before I was able to turn the ignition key on...

again the transfer failed, the laptop disconnect from the ecm and now

I can not with ECM....
what can I do... the ECM is like not detected.. insite tell me to check connection but I know all cables are good...

thanks in advance for your help...
I will appreciate it a lot any help...

TAMBIEN hablo espanol.

[electrobato]

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Now the truck does not turn on, I'm in troubles, 'cause the first problem was too much smoke, but now, I have to make it turn on..
Any help is appreciate it a lot...

[rigos42]

what the serial nember of the engine

[electrobato]

I will appreciate your soon help.

the serial number is #12037791
N14 370 ESP
CPL 2591
1800 RPM

Tamb?n hablo espanol muy bien.

[RSwire]

I will appreciate your soon help.

the serial number is #12037791
N14 370 ESP
CPL 2591
1800 RPM

Tamb?n hablo espanol muy bien.
this may sound stupid but did you check fuses or breakers or loss of power at the diag.connector?

[superc0]

maybe this help:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f128/cummins-ecm-calibrating-problem-88755/

[electrobato]

this may sound stupid but did you check fuses or breakers or loss of power at the diag.connector?

Thanks man, but I know cables are working fine, I have more than this truck to test, I am sure I killed the info in the ECM, the problem start after I plug directly in the conection near to the engine , you know, once I tried to transfer calibration ... INSITE told me turn ignition key off, I put it off and then,... like 20 seconds after that message I received the info transfer failed and...

once I tried to reconnect to ECM, the INSITE does not detect it..., damn, just killed one uncalibrated ecm..


now I put another ecm, it is working better, but needs some adjustments and also

I need to fix the one I just killed...

is it any possibility?

[electrobato]

I am trying to research about the ROMBOOTED stuff, can figure it out yet...

[mondao]

every occasion that I try to recalibrate ecm, this happens to me

[mondao]

the solution is to use this harness, or be very patient!!!

[rigos42]

MONDAO YOU RIGHT YOU NEED THE ECM BENCH CALIBRATION TOOL IN ORDER TO REBOOT THE ECM .

[electrobato]

Hey mondao, when I could access to ecm I was receiving different screens from insite,

about the harness,ummm I do not have that stuff to get in directly to the module in that way, thanks for info.

[dieselman77]

question for u DID YOU TRY RECALIBRATING IT THROUGH THE PLUG IN THE DASH ? YOU DO NOT NEED THE BENCH HARNESS TO RECALIBRATE THE ECM YOU CAN ORDER THE 2 PIN / 3PIN CIGARETTE PLUG FROM CUMMINS PART NUMBER 3165141 YOU CAN PLUG DIRECTLY INTO THE ECM FROM THE UNDER THE HOOD THE 2 PIN IS FOR CELECT/CELECT PLUS AND THE 3 PIN IS FOR THE ISX AND NEW STUFF TRY THAT OUT YOU CAN MAKE THE PLUG FOR ABOUT $15 JUST BUY THE PLUGS OFF EBAY AND USE ALLIGATOR CLIPS FOR POWER HOPE THIS HELPS YOU

[dieselman77]

ELECTROBATO BERFORE YOU TRY TO RECALIBRATE AND ECM OR TRANSFER DATA FROM ONE ECM TO ANOTHER YOU CAN GO TO CREATE WORK ODER AND SAVE AS A TEMPLATE THAT WAY IF ANYTHING HAPPENS YOU CAN JUST SEND ALL THE SAVED DATA BACK TO THE ECM AS LONG AS ITS NOT REALLY MESSED UP IT WILL SAVE ALL THE INFO NEEDED TO TRANSFER TO A NEW ECM HAVE A GOOD ONE AND GOOD LUCK I HOPE YOU GET THE ECM WORKING

[spakos]

Try to reconnect to the ECM with the ignition key swith off. and starrt recalibrating the ecm that way, if with the swith off nothing hapen you have a broken fuse for the main power on the ECM (those in the batteries) fix the fuse and try again.
trata de conectarte al ECM con el swith apagado. cada vez que te falla una recalibracion en CELECT PLUS reinicia con el swith apagado. eso me resulta a mi, asegurate que al ECM en el conector de la corriente de bateria llegan las dos corrientes positivas y una negativa. y siempre recalibra el ecm desde el conector de servicio ( arriva del ECM).
regards
saludos.

[hercamp]

yeah but ....that depend of wich kind of trucks is working with it.....u have to make ure own cable.....have to see to clost the ecm arnes also the A one...and try to find the deutch one connector....can be in 2 or three pins ...triangle also ....well ...u most connect youre adapter to 12v ...at battery or cigarrete....and the j1708+ and j1708- cables...to the deutch cables.
and the faster way to download cal to ecm is with calterm...because insite I think didt let u connect with it.
but with calterm u need the cal from other ecm with same part number...and just downdoad

[spakos]

yeah but ....that depend of wich kind of trucks is working with it.....u have to make ure own cable.....have to see to clost the ecm arnes also the A one...and try to find the deutch one connector....can be in 2 or three pins ...triangle also ....well ...u most connect youre adapter to 12v ...at battery or cigarrete....and the j1708+ and j1708- cables...to the deutch cables.
and the faster way to download cal to ecm is with calterm...because insite I think didt let u connect with it.
but with calterm u need the cal from other ecm with same part number...and just downdoad

that's only for a celect, celect PLUS has the 6 pin service port on top of the ECM standar in all the trucks.

[Floyd]

I don't do Trucks but I think best wat to fix your broken ECM is use BDM and read info from good ECM then programme to broked ECM using BDM.

Only way in my opinion.

Hope this helps

[superc0]

I don't do Trucks but I think best wat to fix your broken ECM is use BDM and read info from good ECM then programme to broked ECM using BDM.

Only way in my opinion.

Hope this helps
what is bdm?
:musicus:

[Belefronte]

connect with insite with keyswitch off :) and then recalibrate it and follow all steps.

[nicamarcos]

I don't do Trucks but I think best wat to fix your broken ECM is use BDM and read info from good ECM then programme to broked ECM using BDM.

Only way in my opinion.

Hope this helps

This ecu (CELECT PLUS) not have debug mode port ;)

[nicamarcos]

dear guys woul you be so kind and help with a problem with a Cummins Celect Plus 3408303
I was being able to acces to the ECM, but it told me that the ECM needed to be recalibrated, so I selected autodetect calibration and suggested the right for the truck,

I follow all the steps to recalibrate, but at the end of all the operations the last 3 steps failed and the calibration did not transfer succesful.

I did all of this from the conection inside the driver cab,

after not workinf the calibration download process, I decided to to try with the connection from the engine, and looked like it was going to work , because some more new bars reload... making look good, and before I was able to turn the ignition key on...

again the transfer failed, the laptop disconnect from the ecm and now

I can not with ECM....
what can I do... the ECM is like not detected.. insite tell me to check connection but I know all cables are good...

thanks in advance for your help...
I will appreciate it a lot any help...

TAMBIEN hablo espanol.
If you still not have solve it, contact me in private, maybe i can help you :)

[MDR72]

listen to mondo you need rom boot harness' this may sound stupid but when you rom boot it before you reprogram it freeze ti in the icebox then program. had several ecm cal problems and it worked came for a cummins rep. sounds stupid i know but try it.:hmmmm2:

[cjawahir]

listen to mondo you need rom boot harness' this may sound stupid but when you rom boot it before you reprogram it freeze ti in the icebox then program. had several ecm cal problems and it worked came for a cummins rep. sounds stupid i know but try it.:hmmmm2:

are you say to freeze the chip , before programming ?



you can use a freeze it spray , the processor will work much faster , temperature is directly to speed ,


cj

[hercamp]

listen to mondo you need rom boot harness' this may sound stupid but when you rom boot it before you reprogram it freeze ti in the icebox then program. had several ecm cal problems and it worked came for a cummins rep. sounds stupid i know but try it.:hmmmm2:

maybe for u sounds stupid...but he shared that ...because cummins use that connector to push cal files into ecm.

and have been a help or chance to many people that never seen or know that exist. in pictures of the stupid cable how u say ...u can see a button and switch on /off ...really I think the squematic of that in other thread ...save the a*** of many others.

and belive..me dont freeze the program ...I ve done many times.
and to others try that ..and save some money with that.

[carlosramospoma]

If you still not have solve it, contact me in private, maybe i can help you :)
tengo un problema estaba subiendo el caballaje de un ecm celec plus llego hasta el 33% y se colgo y luego el insite no le detecta que podre hacer puedes ayudarme de ante mano gracias

[ddmech]

English please friend.

[autodiagnostic]

dear guys woul you be so kind and help with a problem with a Cummins Celect Plus 3408303
I was being able to acces to the ECM, but it told me that the ECM needed to be recalibrated, so I selected autodetect calibration and suggested the right for the truck,

I follow all the steps to recalibrate, but at the end of all the operations the last 3 steps failed and the calibration did not transfer succesful.

I did all of this from the conection inside the driver cab,

after not workinf the calibration download process, I decided to to try with the connection from the engine, and looked like it was going to work , because some more new bars reload... making look good, and before I was able to turn the ignition key on...

again the transfer failed, the laptop disconnect from the ecm and now

I can not with ECM....
what can I do... the ECM is like not detected.. insite tell me to check connection but I know all cables are good...

thanks in advance for your help...
I will appreciate it a lot any help...

TAMBIEN hablo espanol.

Cummins Insite will only communicate with a calibrated ECM, an uncalibrated ECM will bring up a prompt for the user to install a calibration.
With a new chip, the ECM will probably be "seeded", it needs the base file installed so that Insite will recognize it as a blank "ROM booted" ECM.
To use Calterm, you need to obtain the "E2M" or "ECFG" file for the calibration you are using, these files have the ECM memory locations for the several thousand differenet parameters that make up an ECM calibration.
Calterm uses a different security than Insite, I doubt anyone has cracked it, I have not seen a keygen, or anyone offering registration codes
Renesis
Most features can be enabled and disabled using Insite, search the forums, you can get the software and register it, you just need the laptop and cables and inline adaptor. if the feature cannot be disabled using Insite - there is a good reason for it

[jctech]

Calterm will not bring a dead ECM back to life, it can place your ECM into Rom Boot state, this will cause Insite to identify the ECM as uncalibrated and will force Insite to calibrate the ECM, as long as the ECM is not dead.
Insite is always the best tool to use to calibrate an ECM with a standard calibration.
You need to make or buy a bench calibration harness to calibrate this ECM. There are wiring diagrams on this forum to enable you to make a bench cal harness.

Ensure that all power saving features are dissabled in your PC before traying to calibrate an ECM (hibernate, turn off hard drives, screen saver etc).
Ensure that all devices that communicate with the ECM are dissabled before trying to calibrate an ECM (ABS, dashboard, transmission etc).
Always use the ECM connector that is closest to the ECM for calibrating, the one in the cab is for datalogging and reading fault codes only.
Always save a job image before doing any work.

[drizzt4321]

For future, never, never, NEVER program an ECM through the dash. You either need to do it on the bench or use a cable to hook-up right to the ECM & NOT through the dash. This happens all the time.

[hercamp]

yeah you right, even if you try calterm with ignition on and ecm is not setted to romboot running ,just will program until 30 or 99% after that will gives error and never will try to connect again . if you want secure connection always is better a bench arnnes .

[scorpion307]

Need if l could facilitate the cm850 diagram from rom boot
thanks