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miguex
16th July, 2010, 04:59 AM
Not sure which to buy.... Help me please!

WinOls around 1500 Euros

SwifTec around 3000 Euros

which is better?

masterb
16th July, 2010, 03:25 PM
Not sure which to buy.... Help me please!

WinOls around 1500 Euros

SwifTec around 3000 Euros

which is better?

thats not 100% true ...

winols cost ~ 1500 without any cks plugins .. so you need for eg ecu family cks plugin. think now you can buy points for cks.
Also winols have no maps-info. And if you a beginner without this info chiptuning would be really funny.

miguex
16th July, 2010, 04:52 PM
Yes, I have been in the Chiptuning business as slave for 1 year (I am buying tuned files from some companies) so I think it is time to get skills to tune maps on my own. I have a master Optican Dual Flasher. Obviously I am a beginner but with full thirsty to learn tune maps.

speedy100
16th July, 2010, 04:58 PM
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f132/info-chiptuning-software-105824/

Read my opinion on this thread ;))

Speedy

tuningfiles
16th July, 2010, 06:02 PM
Not sure which to buy.... Help me please!

WinOls around 1500 Euros

SwifTec around 3000 Euros

which is better?

winols it not like swifteck,swifteck its copy from ecm

at moment no have bether than winols for remap

its my opinion corse .ab

jandra44
16th July, 2010, 06:16 PM
everybody, someone have a pin data of marelli 4LVP? I need your help..................

jandra44
16th July, 2010, 06:37 PM
sorry .... I could be said Marelli 4avp

speedy100
1st August, 2010, 07:15 PM
winols it not like swifteck,swifteck its copy from ecm

at moment no have bether than winols for remap

its my opinion corse .ab

Swifteck is a copy?
What do You mean? They dissasembled ECM and stoled its source?
I do not think so.... They would be in jail by now...

ipejasinovic
1st August, 2010, 07:27 PM
"Copy" not Copy! He said that metaphorically.

rsibiza
1st August, 2010, 10:47 PM
I would not say Swiftec is a copy or clone....and sure not from ECM.

I think it s an evaluation of OLS.....and a great tool.

However....WinOls you will never buy if you have not a commerce and VAT number...tryed for years get it..but hopeless.

With swiftec for 3000 euro you have 10 Cheksum(1cheksum=150-250euro) and 50 mapdrivers....

Which is cheaper?:idea:

bazare
12th September, 2010, 09:53 AM
for sure it's cheaper to buy winols and learn what maps do what. Swiftec map packs are similar to ECM but a little bit more complex.

gasa
12th September, 2010, 12:15 PM
Hi,
the problem, if you want to make your own files I think, is not
the software, you need a lot of hardware like dyno and measurement. If you have this, and only with this, you can make good files with all of this solutions.

gasa

rappttor
12th September, 2010, 01:46 PM
ols is the best, but it requires a lot of lost nights, and a lot of patience...

bazare
12th September, 2010, 08:18 PM
if you will stay in this bussines winols is the way to go. It offers almost anything if you know what you are doing.

BUSCADOS
22nd September, 2010, 01:31 PM
RECOMMEND THAT YOU BUY? ECM AND I USE A LONG TIME, BUT THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE DRIVERS, FORD EXAMPLE. SOMEONE HAS USED A SWIFTEC?, What their experience?:cheer:

BUSCADOS
4th December, 2010, 03:12 PM
RECOMMEND THAT YOU BUY? ECM AND I USE A LONG TIME, BUT THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT DO NOT HAVE THE DRIVERS, FORD EXAMPLE. SOMEONE HAS USED A SWIFTEC?, What their experience?:cheer:
YA COMPRE UN SWIFTEC ORIGINAL, EN 30 A 60 DIAS ESTARE COMENTANDO MI EXPERIENCIA.:wavey:

grinovsky
4th December, 2010, 04:26 PM
winols is the best but not for a newbie becose it don't name the maps,

bazare
4th December, 2010, 08:03 PM
how the hell is it easy to tune with ECM if most of the drivers are either wrong or incomplete?

ka-pa-za
5th December, 2010, 02:15 AM
how the hell is it easy to tune with ECM if most of the drivers are either wrong or incomplete?
+1

winols: you tell what to change to the software.
swiftec: software tell you what you could change.
ecm: Like a drunk brainchirurg on speed. a nice guy but no good to work with.

ducatisti
23rd March, 2011, 02:37 AM
Hi guys

Can we have some more info's on swiftec. Does swiftec have a text search function with bar display at the side to help identify patterns ?

I hope there are some good functions because iam considaring buying.

maglaras
23rd March, 2011, 11:31 PM
you can have ecm swiftec race or win ols
can you tell me how can make a tuning
did you have a dyno??
or you make the tuning on the road??
the tuning is not like the dash or air bag or immo
tuning is tuning
thank you

mmc83
29th March, 2011, 09:49 AM
Perfect answer, it's not a matter of the sofware you use, but a matter of what you know...

ducatisti
31st March, 2011, 12:34 AM
I use my dyno everyday to make files. I dont agree with guessing or making maps without a way to check your work.

I would like to here from people using swiftec

Winols yes best ive used but there are some things for me it does not do.

Regards..

Stanton
31st March, 2011, 07:11 PM
Swiftec has the luxury of providing map-packs, which commercially speaking saves LOADS of time when tuning on a day to basis, so therefore is the best "solution" IMO if this is your day-to-day work.

winOLS is great software, and a third the price (1090 euro) best suited ideally for single genres of car or when you are FULLY able to QUICKLY alter what you want.

NEITHER will tune a car for you, 3000euro still doesnt buy you tuning skill :)

ducatisti
31st March, 2011, 10:13 PM
Swiftec has the luxury of providing map-packs, which commercially speaking saves LOADS of time when tuning on a day to basis, so therefore is the best "solution" IMO if this is your day-to-day work.

winOLS is great software, and a third the price (1090 euro) best suited ideally for single genres of car or when you are FULLY able to QUICKLY alter what you want.

NEITHER will tune a car for you, 3000euro still doesnt buy you tuning skill :)

This is the issue i guess. I spend hours searching , altering and testing maps i find on the dyno to determine what does what. I have become addicted to search and test . So much so that i have put the specialist cylinderheads i design on the back bench. The motorcycles i deal with , there wont be any map packs , not that i would need them anyway . Im more interested in buying something new that can be developed and if i do decide to tune race cars again i can do without hassle. the ols300 emulator interests me but the cost is expensive and the problem is usb emulators in bike dyno rooms normally crash from intereference noise even with ferrite either end .

If i did expand back into the car world are map packs available for winols/from who / what costs ?

The ecu mapping is relativly new to me, not the proceedure of tuning but the equiptment/software. Ten years ago to map a car it was areplacement mappable ecu or piggy back system.

Stanton
31st March, 2011, 10:26 PM
EVC the makers of winOLS dont offer any support for map-packs or the like, they JUST support the software itself, and very well at that.
There is a company called Shiftech who will supply "OLSx" basically their brand of map packs. They are expensive, I think about 300e, and from what Ive heard not always accurate.
DAMOS can be obtained, but diluted from years on the net and again not always great...the good ones are hard to find/expensive.

This is where Swiftec comes into its own...its the complete package, and so far their coms is excellent.

RE emmulator and dyno-cell....yes I wouldnt be keen on that also!

ducatisti
24th May, 2011, 12:03 AM
Anymore comments on Swiftec ?

It says on there site they provide online map packs and dog off . Do we buy these moduals seperatly ?

I like the text search in winols with bar display . Anyone have full size screen shots of swiftecs 2d search

Thanks

Stanton
28th May, 2011, 02:06 PM
Ive just ordered Swiftec, will have it installed next week, PM me and I'll send you some screenshots when its up and running.

grinovsky
28th May, 2011, 02:19 PM
if you don't know how to make a good tuned file with winols
you will do no think with swiftec

Stanton
28th May, 2011, 10:22 PM
In English?

grinovsky
28th May, 2011, 10:37 PM
In English?
si tu ne sais pas comment modifier une cartographie avec winols tu ne poura rien faire avec swiftec
it's done m8:manuflag:

maglaras
29th May, 2011, 12:02 AM
Ive just ordered Swiftec, will have it installed next week, PM me and I'll send you some screenshots when its up and running.

hello
thing good to make tuning you must now what to do
is not like reade or rite a flash eeprom
i hve sped a lot of time and a lot of money and i dont say that i now
but i tray to make good work
if you whont to do this job you must learn the winols good if you tray ecm swiftec race yes is good for start but only to learn how you must found the map aloun
:pcguru::pcguru::pcguru::pcguru:
you make mane mane time this on the pc

Stanton
29th May, 2011, 08:03 AM
Sorry, I disagree.

Of course, with whatever editing package you use, you must know how the calibration is used to optimise engines operation.
However the software is simply a tool to do this. And when you do this for a living, you want a tool which allows you to do your job as efficiently as possible; time=money. ANYONE can learn winOLS and learn to identify maps (eg krinovsky), but when you are re-calibrating a few cars a day, your time should be spent on the dyno optimising...this is especially true if you are playing with many different ecu makes.
So for me, I can use winols well thankyou, but I think I can tune cars more efficiently with Swiftec so I buy it.

Same as a builder; he can spend a few hours a day making his own nails, but he knows he will build the house quicker if he simply buys the nails in a box ready to use :)

Stanton
29th May, 2011, 08:07 AM
Also Maglarus, what version of winOLS do you have??

You seem to misunderstand me, I haven't just decided I'd try this "chiptuning malarky" and become a forum/keyboard tuner. I've been professionally involved in this industry for close to 10years, my decision to purchase swiftec is simply to make my day to day activities easier, not to see if I can make a good tune.

rappttor
29th May, 2011, 08:46 AM
you have a point here, ols its not the quiker way, its the scientific way though. sometimes its best to combine them!