Polo Ibiza 2010 onboard programming

[drpeter]

For all members, connections for reading onboard.

Have fun.

[km-digital]

I read from those connections.
I read eprom but I can not lose more than 1000km

I program such 6500km 11650km

listed in table I 11000km

[drpeter]

I read from those connections.
I read eprom but I can not lose more than 1000km

I program such 6500km 11650km

listed in table I 11000km

I know,with this connection you can only program the car in service mode, then you must program mileage by OBD.

There is one thing I don't understand, I read the chip at these points, build in cluster and adjusted mileage 7000 km higher after that the car drove about 300 km, I put back the original file and the old lower mileage (1064km) was shown?

If someone can explain this would be great.

[motorsport]

For all members, connections for reading onboard.

Have fun.

it can read with vag prog with sw13?

[drpeter]

it can read with vag prog with sw13?

you can even read it with diga or any 24xxx programmer!

[H.Wessel]

hi

does someone have the data to write for entering service mode?

thanks in advance
H.W

[km-digital]

amarok file with 11657km.

the image seems to be the same board

[diagtech]

Thanks for that

[exe123]

There is one thing I don't understand, I read the chip at these points, build in cluster and adjusted mileage 7000 km higher after that the car drove about 300 km, I put back the original file and the old lower mileage (1064km) was shown?

If someone can explain this would be great.

Why you dont understand?
If you write back original of course the old value will come back.
All km information is stored in eeprom. setting km via obd is mandatory because second mileage information is stored crypted in eeprom. key to encrypt is inside the mcu.

[drpeter]

Why you dont understand?
If you write back original of course the old value will come back.
All km information is stored in eeprom. setting km via obd is mandatory because second mileage information is stored crypted in eeprom. key to encrypt is inside the mcu.

Thanks, I thought the second mileage data is stored in the MCU together with the key.

[mastaflex]

exe123 explanation is very logical because second memory for KM are stored in 24c

[drpeter]

exe123 explanation is very logical because second memory for KM are stored in 24c

Logical? So the second memory is the same as the first memory? :-)

[exe123]

Logical? So the second memory is the same as the first memory? :-)

yes, everything is inside the 24Cxx.
regardless of micronas or nec. all information is always stored in the eeprom.
no km information inside the mcu! only encryption key. that's it.

[pinkfloyd5eg]

does that mean that it is enough to reprogram the mileage info on the 24cxx only even by any serial programmer (OBP) then soldering it back on the dash board, would that be enough to get the new mileage on the cluster's display ???

[exe123]

think again. if this would be possible why should everybody buy expensive tools? of course it is not possible because :

no km information inside the mcu! only encryption key

[pinkfloyd5eg]

sorry for repeating the same question ,but i used to adjust those dashes up to 2007 models in the same way, i was only modifying the hex table of the micro wire EEPROM 24cxx or 93cxx and it was working, so what is the different with the new dashes after 2007 to 2011 .. i didn't try any of them yet ,so i am asking to understand what is the new problem with those new models.. plz explain ...if as u said before (yes, everything is inside the 24Cxx.regardless of micronas or nec. all information is always stored in the eeprom.no km information inside the mcu! only encryption key. that's it.) so why not possible to reprogram the eeprom itself only as before in < 2007 models????

[tachonow]

sorry for repeating the same question ,but i used to adjust those dashes up to 2007 models in the same way, i was only modifying the hex table of the micro wire EEPROM 24cxx or 93cxx and it was working, so what is the different with the new dashes after 2007 to 2011 .. i didn't try any of them yet ,so i am asking to understand what is the new problem with those new models.. plz explain ...if as u said before (yes, everything is inside the 24Cxx.regardless of micronas or nec. all information is always stored in the eeprom.no km information inside the mcu! only encryption key. that's it.) so why not possible to reprogram the eeprom itself only as before in < 2007 models????
Because you need the encryption key which is in the mcu which can be read only via obd. Understand ?

[pinkfloyd5eg]

yeah i think i got it now, do u mean that the EEPROM has encrypted data ?? so, can i change or reset that encryption key by using the vag commander k+can v3.6 (chinese) through the OBD using the option (custom download/upload) on the special funcions section ??

[z786]

in a word "NO"

[exe123]

no impossible. if easy way exist it would be here.

[pinkfloyd5eg]

thanx for the advices, but still need to know, what is the perfect programmer "commander" can do this mission for vag dashes up to 2011 through the OBD to buy it ,but plz advise with tested one and the cheapest of course :hmmmm2:

[tachonow]

VagProg from Smelecom.

[drpeter]

VagProg from Smelecom.

Yes but you have to remove the cluster, I sent 8 keyfiles to Smelecom ( 5 polo 2010 and 3 Ibiza 2010), the content of the files are exactly the same and still you can't do the car direct by OBD. Smelecom answered you must update. I updated 20 times :-), not working.

[markony79]

Hi
1. its Nec diagnostic
2. must Read the Key
3. change Milage
4. Load the Key

With OBD or
read eeprom and prepare eeprom
then you have file with the Key
when change milage, later writte file with key

!!!! If you not have file with Key or Not prepare eeprom
when you chagne milage---the Car will not start----

[exe123]

bullsh..
if eeprom has no service mode data you have no access via obd. you can't change anything.
car will start!

so service mode data is mandatory to have access via obd.

[markony79]

Hi
Press Thanks button

[exe123]

missunderstanding of the word keyfile.

drpeter means service mode with "keyfile"
for elprosys "key" is encryption key for eeprom.

[markony79]

No, its code for Key
Trust if not have , Not start the car---not playing with this

[exe123]

no, it is not the code for key!
don't tell about things you don't know.

the km is stored encrypted. the key to encrypt the new km-data is stored inside the nec mcu and will be read via obd.

that's the keyfile which elprosys reads out. it has nothing todo with keys for immo

[pinkfloyd5eg]

no, it is not the code for key!
don't tell about things you don't know.

the km is stored encrypted. the key to encrypt the new km-data is stored inside the nec mcu and will be read via obd.

that's the keyfile which elprosys reads out. it has nothing todo with keys for immo

am sorry but am lost here again !! now what after reading the encryption key file via OBD ?? will I change the mileage on that file then write it to the EEPOM ? or, just changing the mileage on the file of the EEPROM after reading the Encryption key ?, also sometimes the encryption is stored in the ECU not on the instrument cluster, is there different procedure for this ? plz i need to know this procedure in clear steps using the vag prog.. thanx in adavance.

[exe123]

with vagprog you don't have to use your brain. just do what the device/manual tells you :)

[pinkfloyd5eg]

with vagprog you don't have to use your brain. just do what the device/manual tells you :)

but what about that previous post by drpeter, said:
Originally Posted by tachonow http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/styles/digital/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f174/polo-ibiza-2010-onboard-programming-169114/index2.html#post849475)
VagProg from Smelecom.

"Yes but you have to remove the cluster, I sent 8 keyfiles to Smelecom ( 5 polo 2010 and 3 Ibiza 2010), the content of the files are exactly the same and still you can't do the car direct by OBD. Smelecom answered you must update. I updated 20 times :-), not working."

plz comment on that.:hmmmm2:

[exe123]

remove cluster, open cluster, disassemble fully until you see pcb with eeprom, clip eeprom, read with vagprog, make service mode dump via vagprog, write back eeprom via vagprog, reassemble dash, put into car, switch on ignition, adjust km via obd. job done.

[pinkfloyd5eg]

this manual may have some good related info explaining the encryption key and how to change the csc and the login codes by using the dump tool on the special functions of this commander. hope this can be useful

[markony79]

Like EXE123 said, no use brain!!!!!

But see this video from vagprog, not start the car......

VAG-PROG: ECU configuration programmer for VW/Audi/?koda/Seat (http://www.vagprog.com/)

[potatodog]

In the video the km was programmed on the table without ECU

[markony79]

Yes, but what is with IMMOBILIZER????
See all video...

[potatodog]

Yes, but what is with IMMOBILIZER????
See all video...
What should be without MCU with the IMMOBILIZER?

[markony79]

I have the First time problem with golf6, the car not start, but I have support form Elprosys and fix it.

Next car I load key file and later no problem to change milage and start car....

[mastaflex]

want to ask DRPETER :

did you succed to do a polo 2010 by smelecom VAGPROG after doing service mode?

[exe123]

Yes, but what is with IMMOBILIZER????
See all video...

of course this message will appear if you make the dash on table! feedback from ecu and keys is missing. back in the car it will work again.


I have the First time problem with golf6, the car not start, but I have support form Elprosys and fix it.

Next car I load key file and later no problem to change milage and start car....

With Vagprog this will not happen. Vagprog will set via OBD.
Elprosys is calculating with keyfile.

[drpeter]

want to ask DRPETER :

did you succed to do a polo 2010 by smelecom VAGPROG after doing service mode?

Of course that's the reason why I posted the picture, yesterday I did a ibiza 2010 again same board as polo.

[markony79]

Can VagProg do golf 6???

[markony79]

This is Uk Adress or what????
Why he live the phone number when he is in USA????

[markony79]

Smelecom.co.uk - Digital Mileage Correction Equipment (http://www.smelecom.co.uk)

[markony79]

Its better see in this file