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bazare
8th November, 2010, 10:00 PM
I try to read peugeot 407 2.0hdi sid803 with BDM100 (cmd style). I connected everything as written in manual and I try to read. BDM reads to 100% and then say:

Checksum error Code1.
Failed

It's the first time I use BDM100 so it might be something really simple. I tried to read using (read single file, read 29bl802c or read MPC555/6) always same result about checksum.

bazare
9th November, 2010, 09:35 PM
I tried again today same result ... what does the checksum button do? The problem is that BDM doesn't store any read file

Smac_a
10th November, 2010, 02:53 PM
I will probably try to read same ecu (sid803) with bdm in next few days, will report. Did you connect outside power supply (12v + gnd) directly to ecu pins?

Regards,
Smac_a

bazare
10th November, 2010, 05:13 PM
Yes I did connected external power supply directly to ECU pins, and BDM100 is connected only to USB. I had a different ideea yesterday ... to try with DIMSPORT soft but didn't try it yet as I have no time.

batpepi
10th November, 2010, 06:19 PM
i read last week SID 803 with cloned bdm without problem.The car was 307 136hp.
Your car have sid803 or 803A?

bazare
11th November, 2010, 03:49 PM
car is peugeot 407 136hp so same engine as yours. Can you please upload and PM me link to your version of BDM sw? Can you also describe in more details the procedure? How did you actually connected to the ECU, did you read single file or content of mpc555/6, and how did you calculated checksum?

bazare
11th November, 2010, 03:55 PM
flash is identified as 29bl802c

Later edit:

I finally managed to read the ECU using 555pro. but now I have no possibility to calculate the checksum of moded file.

Smac_a
12th November, 2010, 07:12 AM
Do you really need a checksum? if you try to dpf off trough ecusafe should be ok (chk is calculated...). Tomorrow I'll try to read with same software (1255). We'll see how that goes.

Regards,
Smac_a

bazare
12th November, 2010, 10:50 AM
I did the checksum via ECM6.2 eventually and everything seems to be ok. I will test the ECU in the car in a few days.

rappttor
12th November, 2010, 02:58 PM
i think the bdm does the cks while wrinting, the clone one has this module...

bazare
13th November, 2010, 02:19 PM
END OF STORY: happy ending

The story is like this:
1. Opened ECU
2. Connected BDM after checking the exact pinout of SIEMENS PROBE.
3. Tried to read with CMD1255 SW but it failed (checksum error)
4. Read OK with DIMSport SW but does not support checksum function
5. Modded file and calculated checksum via ECM6.2
6. Write file in ECU with DIMSport sw with no problem
7. Removed cables and closed ECU

Next few days I will try the ecu in the car.

Smac_a
15th November, 2010, 07:49 AM
Great!
I also managed to read (tryed with both 555 and 1255), then dpf off with ecusafe (no chksums btw) then repaired chksum with ecm 6.3 (to Rappttor - I overlooked the option in 1255 software :( ) and wrote it back. Car finaly running normal and without dtcs. :)
To bazare, had no problems with soft so if you need it, please contact me.

Btw: does somebody have schematics for other connectors (I have siemens, delphi and marelli but there is at least one more for siemens...), I could make printable pcbs for others...

Regards,
Smac_a

rappttor
15th November, 2010, 08:26 AM
the probes provided with clone bdm are ok but for simens ecu if you go to cmd site you will see that there 2 more.
i have on my table a simens sid301, and i cannot read it as bazare did, the plug pinout is ok, but the pad arrangement is not, also for simens ppd. so if someone has tis type of probes will be much apreciate if it will help...

ps:printed pcb i can make too, that's not a problem, and i can describe the procedure here, it's not so hard.

rappttor
15th November, 2010, 08:28 AM
to bazare: you checked the pinout f the simens probe and made the conections with wires in that manner?

bazare
15th November, 2010, 11:30 AM
yeah ... I first checked the connections and put them directly. More connections = greater chance of failure.
Unfortunately I only have 1 type of siemens probe and it would be great if someone who has more can provide the pinouts or at least good quality photos.

bazare
16th November, 2010, 03:15 PM
bad news ... the car starts and stops after 5 seconds. what could be the problem? i double checked checksum and everything seems to be ok in ecm 6.2

rappttor
16th November, 2010, 06:58 PM
could you extract any dtc?
if it starts we can exclude immo...

Smac_a
17th November, 2010, 07:36 AM
If you want to exclude chksum write back the original... On the other hand there is checksum in 1255 soft. Here is "mine".

http://rapidshare.com/files/431342699/1255C_DoitYourselfDiagnostics.rar

On the other hand, as rappttor said it could be anything else...
Btw, I have ECM 6.3, can upload in few hours just let me know.

Regards,
Smac_a

bazare
17th November, 2010, 09:16 AM
I put back the original file and same problem. Car stops after 5 seconds. I don't think it's the immo also because there is no light in the dashboard. Maybe injectors codes are lost?

Smac_a
18th November, 2010, 07:38 AM
I think there should be dtc's for injector co... Saw your other post, soo you think you got a bad read (dump) or that your write to motorola flash is not good? Try writing with soft i provided (advanced + write to 555 and later chksum)...

Regards,
Smac_a

rappttor
18th November, 2010, 10:06 AM
although the plugin for sid 803 exist in the clone bdm software, cmd variant cannot read it, or cks it...he tried several variants, but none of theme worked.
most likley he has a bad read, so the ori dump for mpc/flash/eeprom is wrong.
he must look for a good dump and write it, then virginize the eeprom content and hope he writes ok and not bulshit stuff....

bazare
18th November, 2010, 08:36 PM
i tried many solutions ... none worked. if i write an immo off file ... car doesn't start at all. DTC stored are p0606 p1197 p1621. The last one reapers every time I try to start the car. What else could have gone wrong? I removed the ECU without removing battery ... could this be the initial problem?

bazare
21st November, 2010, 07:15 PM
Problem solved ... the problem was the BDM100 clone.

mexanico1971
21st November, 2010, 10:47 PM
Problem solved ... the problem was the BDM100 clone.

what kind of problem was ?!

regards

Smac_a
22nd November, 2010, 06:50 AM
I'm also courios, was it bad writing?

regards

bazare
22nd November, 2010, 11:12 PM
BDM100 needs more power than a laptop USB. Because laptop cannot supply as much as it is needed every writing was corrupted. Only 2-3-4 bytes were changed. I used a desktop and problem was solved in minutes! So don't write with clone + laptop if BDM100 is supplied only by USB.

Smac_a
23rd November, 2010, 10:17 AM
Hi!

I would never guessed. :congrats: Nice one.

Regards,
Smac_a

16 valvulas
13th December, 2010, 12:23 AM
Please can you send me the conections to sid pad or if you have photo of conections I would very pleased.
Regards




i read last week SID 803 with cloned bdm without problem.The car was 307 136hp.
Your car have sid803 or 803A?

Smac_a
13th December, 2010, 08:22 AM
Here you go:
42576

Enjoy,
Smac_a


Please can you send me the conections to sid pad or if you have photo of conections I would very pleased.
Regards

vyktorio
3rd January, 2011, 01:26 PM
Hi everybody,

Please can you help me? I have SID 803A i need connect it with bdm100 china clone, I know, i have manual for it, but i cannot connect with this.

Can you send me any pinout, ? iam soldering pins on board.

Thanks for everybody iam desperate.

Smac_a
3rd January, 2011, 03:20 PM
Are you using pinout on page 23? Pin 1 is usualy the marked wire on cable > pin1 on siemens connector and bottom pin 1 on siemens connector > is pin 1 on sid803a ecu (pic in manual).

I hope you understand, because i have a way of making very easy stuff almost imposible to understand :)

ps: if you connected the power (on the ecu main connector) ok, the motorola should be warm after running couple minutes...btw current for sid 803 was arround 0,2 A

Regards,
Smac_a


Hi everybody,

Please can you help me? I have SID 803A i need connect it with bdm100 china clone, I know, i have manual for it, but i cannot connect with this.

Can you send me any pinout, ? iam soldering pins on board.

Thanks for everybody iam desperate.

vyktorio
3rd January, 2011, 07:26 PM
Thanks for your feedback,

Please must be powered bdm with adapter 12V or not? i had connected only ECU to power supply.

In manual is wrote that pin1 is red cable, but when i was check it by ohmeter red cable wasnt pin 1 to bdm, but it is inverted.

You think that must be connected pin1 on ecu to pin 1 on bdm,and pin2ecu to pin2bdm,... etc?

Thanks in advance.

Smac_a
4th January, 2011, 07:59 AM
Hi.
If you connected ecu to power supply then it is no need to for power adapter on bdm side.

About pinout - between bdm and ecu is always connector/converter (in this case the one with siemens mark on it) so there is little chance that 1 goes to 1, 2 to 2... Only bosch is going directly 1 to 1, 2 to 2... I've heard that some chinese clones have reversed pinout but never seen it.

To check pinout check gnd on both sides - ecu and bdm that should be same - connected (watchout since gnd on bdm could be little funny - chasis and usb connector on mine are not the same).

Regards,
Smac_a


Thanks for your feedback,

Please must be powered bdm with adapter 12V or not? i had connected only ECU to power supply.

In manual is wrote that pin1 is red cable, but when i was check it by ohmeter red cable wasnt pin 1 to bdm, but it is inverted.

You think that must be connected pin1 on ecu to pin 1 on bdm,and pin2ecu to pin2bdm,... etc?

Thanks in advance.

vyktorio
4th January, 2011, 09:03 AM
Ah ok,

I understand you, but i havent siemens probe, i have only 1pcs marelli a 2pcs delphi.

But when i connect bdm to usb and power supply, without connected any ecu, a touch ON on software, green led on BDM is ON and relay is On, too. But when i disconnect power supply from BDM and touch ON on software only relay is on and green led OFF.Is it normal?

I must have siemens probe, or can i use one of delphi probe?

Thanks.

Smac_a
10th January, 2011, 07:44 AM
Sorry for being "late", but I hope it helps you. You definetly need siemens probe, or just connect directly (using schematic).
Here you go:
45826
The top connector goes to bdm, bottom one goes on ecu. It says it's optican, but I checked - it's same as mine I got with cmd bdm. When you connect check gnd - bdm and ecu should be connected...

vyktorio
16th January, 2011, 08:48 PM
Hi,

Many thanks for your scheme, its good, when i will have chance i will try it. Many thanks for now.

pug407
26th February, 2011, 12:08 PM
I have a Siemens 803A in my Peugeot 407. I have a Chinese BDM100 but it didn't come with a Siemens probe. I am happy to solder directly to the ECU pads. Does anyone know which pins from the BDM go to which pads on the ECU? Is it the same as the Siemens 803?

Thanks.

bazare
26th February, 2011, 03:50 PM
all siemens BDM ports share same configuration

pug407
26th February, 2011, 11:23 PM
OK, I'll clear all error codes with PP2000, take out my ECU and give it a go. Hope to be able to fix DPF and speed control problems with ECUsafe.

pug407
27th February, 2011, 03:52 AM
I wired up my ECU to the BDM as per the schematic provided by Smac_a and all worked well. I was able to read and save the ECU contents.

monitel_service
27th February, 2011, 12:26 PM
try with 1251 CMD

btr
27th February, 2011, 03:42 PM
Maybe someone have tried to write the flash with galletto 1260, which was read with BDM?
thanks

btr
27th February, 2011, 03:48 PM
try with 1251 CMD
i think not compatible with sid803,1251 cmd for CAN bus cars.Sid803 write with k-line:rolleyes:

Smac_a
28th February, 2011, 08:10 AM
Hi all!

Don't do it, read is compatible with same device, so don't write with some other! Sometimes not even dump sizes are same...

Regards,
Smac_a


Maybe someone have tried to write the flash with galletto 1260, which was read with BDM?
thanks

n599fbm
28th February, 2011, 08:26 AM
Hi Friends !!!

GOOD WORK !!!

I have a china clon BDM100, but dont work !!! the soft.funtions badly !!! and my laptop asks driver !!

Someone has some idea???

Many tks !!!

Rgds,

Smac_a
28th February, 2011, 09:10 AM
Hi.

Don't have soft on me at this moment but isn't driver the usual fdti driver?

Regards,
Smac_a

Hi Friends !!!

GOOD WORK !!!

I have a china clon BDM100, but dont work !!! the soft.funtions badly !!! and my laptop asks driver !!

Someone has some idea???

Many tks !!!

Rgds,

pug407
28th February, 2011, 10:00 AM
I have the software, the place I bought mine from in China emailed it to me. But it is a big file, even when compressed (12Mb) I don't think I can post such a large file on here.

rappttor
28th February, 2011, 10:05 AM
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f173/reading-sid803-bdm-171510/index2.html

you have the software in here, and also you can find it on several locations on this forum, so i see no problem regarding the software, maybe your problem is related with the hardware...

try to reinstall the drivers for your bdm

pug407
28th February, 2011, 10:07 AM
Yes, max size for RAR files is 25Mb.
Here it is.

pug407
7th March, 2011, 06:19 AM
I've processed my file with ECUsafe and written it back via my BDM100. All seemed to work OK. But the car still behaves the same way.

Is there another step I've missed?

Smac_a
7th March, 2011, 07:19 AM
Did you actualy remove dpf - the exhaust part? If not that is normal, at least for most cars (differential pressure sensor still detects a blocked dpf)...
Regards,
Smac_a

I've processed my file with ECUsafe and written it back via my BDM100. All seemed to work OK. But the car still behaves the same way.

Is there another step I've missed?

pug407
7th March, 2011, 07:37 AM
Yes, I have drilled several large holes through the filter.

Smac_a
7th March, 2011, 07:44 AM
Which dtcs do you get? Are you sure that you wrote a good dump (changed with ecusafe, repaired chksums...)? Check with scanner and report.

Regards,
Smac_a


Yes, I have drilled several large holes through the filter.

pug407
8th March, 2011, 12:11 PM
I used ECUsafe and it said that DPF had been removed. I wrote back to the ECU and a few blocks were deleted and written but most were only tested.
I have checked with PP2000 and the differential pressure is zero so there is no blockage in the FAP part of the exhaust.

cartronics
27th May, 2011, 08:55 PM
ecusafe not good with SID803

rappttor
28th May, 2011, 09:32 PM
cracked ecusafe2.0 doesnt work with this ecu, but you can always do it manually!

calin_bm
29th May, 2011, 08:51 AM
give us some details,please...

rappttor
29th May, 2011, 08:59 AM
the best avatar ever mate :roflmao:

batmob
1st June, 2011, 11:02 AM
i

I have the same problem I'm trying to DEFAP am I required to calculate the checksum is how you do a write power to the ECU, or with bdm obd?? obd with me because I have galetto 1260 xhen i read hw, sw and the figure does not correspond to anything??:afraid:




thank you for any help

Foblas
14th June, 2011, 11:27 PM
Hi
I am trying to read sid803 with china bdm100 clone. But no success.

I connected ecu to bdm like in post #35 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f173/reading-sid803-bdm-171510/index3.html#post922629)
http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/1106/dd/03658cbde493t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s49.radikal.ru/i126/1106/dd/03658cbde493.jpg.html)
Connect bdm to laptop (directly and via usb hub with external power), connect ecu, connect power to ecu ping G4 - GRN, C3 and H4 - +12volt from ATX power supply, check ground, start cmd soft.
And nothing, cant read anythins. bdm does not turn on. Relay clicks ones and thats all.
error log

CMD ? Technologies srl - MPCProg
Ver. 3.1.0.1255 Dongle ID: 192 Date: 15.06.2011 1:13:40
Firmware Revision V.01 SN: 0258
ECU Communication Error
Mpc family error x00000000
+12Vcc power error or Communication error

With bosch edc16 bdm and cmd soft work fine, read-write edc16c3 - OK.

ECU is OK i think. It is work fine on the car before and after my testing.

But someone was opening up ecu before me and soldering to bdm pads too...

Any ideas? May be my mistake somewere?
I need your help friends.

Smac_a
15th June, 2011, 06:32 AM
Hi,
Just to be sure, check power. Here you go.
Regards,

Smac_a
67533

Foblas
15th June, 2011, 07:10 AM
Seems to be OK.
i solder to contacts near the ecu socket
like here
http://s49.radikal.ru/i123/1106/da/32e4ccb36ee3t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s49.radikal.ru/i123/1106/da/32e4ccb36ee3.jpg.html)

checked twice with multimeter all of G4, C3 and H4. Power is 12,3V between H4 and C3, between H4 and G4.
is this should be enough for power?
Ecu works well on car...
May be some of contact track to the bdm pad damaged...
Are there some other contacts to solder to the ecu manually , maybe?

Smac_a
15th June, 2011, 08:34 AM
Mpc is bga type - so you cannot connect directly. I don't have other connection points for bdm...
My advice is to check bdm pinout and connections (tracks on pcb too).

Regards,
Smac_a

Foblas
16th June, 2011, 06:54 AM
yesterday try to read another sid803. No success ((
It seems to be firmware on my bdm clone damaged. becouse today i cant read my old edc16...
may be somebody can give me good fw for 93c and mcu to repair bmd clone ?

yas200979
16th June, 2011, 08:06 AM
yesterday try to read another sid803. No success ((
It seems to be firmware on my bdm clone damaged. becouse today i cant read my old edc16...
may be somebody can give me good fw for 93c and mcu to repair bmd clone ?

Send you email in PM. I have good damp for BDM100.

Foblas
16th June, 2011, 08:35 AM
Thanks! Send you in pm.

Smac_a
16th June, 2011, 09:23 AM
Hi,
there used to be an upgrade to cmd bdm 1255 here on forum,
just did a quick search but cannot find it. There are two files
1.exe and 2.exe. For me it once worked if I ran 2 and the 1.
You shoud give them a try. I can upload them in couple of hours...

Regards,
Smac_a


yesterday try to read another sid803. No success ((
It seems to be firmware on my bdm clone damaged. becouse today i cant read my old edc16...
may be somebody can give me good fw for 93c and mcu to repair bmd clone ?

Subzulu
29th June, 2011, 11:42 PM
Hi, i am getting the same error "Mpc family error" on siemens 803 , do i need to flash the BDM ?

It lists the 803 as supported in the software, can anyone advise what to try.

Thanks

bazare
30th June, 2011, 08:51 AM
update your BDM or buy a genuine one.

Subzulu
30th June, 2011, 02:14 PM
ok, does anyone know how to update a clone BDM ?

3abas27
10th November, 2011, 11:18 PM
ok, does anyone know how to update a clone BDM ?

why clone bdm chinese made not work for siemes ecu?

bazare
11th November, 2011, 06:18 AM
bdm100 clone work 100% with siemens ECU. I read many with mine.

Foblas
11th November, 2011, 09:13 AM
bdm100 clone work 100% with siemens ECU. I read many with mine.

in my case china bdm100 clone with dimsport soft does not work with sid803, but works fine with edc16 ((
Problem solved after desoldering eeprom and mcu from bdm and cloning from working bdm.
So the reason is firmware.

3abas27
11th November, 2011, 12:31 PM
[QUOTE=Foblas;1327683]in my case china bdm100 clone with dimsport soft does not work with sid803, but works fine with edc16 ((
Problem solved after desoldering eeprom and mcu from bdm and cloning from working bdm.
So the reason is firmware.[/QUOTE

I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM LIKE YOURS

CAN YOU SEND ME DUMPS FROM EPROM AND MCU FROM WORKING BDM 100ONE? 10000THANKS IN ADVANCE

looly
22nd March, 2012, 12:01 AM
Im trying to read an 803A with bdm 100 (clone) but im getting the following error..
Firmware Revision: V.01
. . . . . . . . . .

MPC500 Family Version: 0x00020020
MPC561/2 Part Number: 0x35200000
Flash Not Identified
Power error or communication error (E14)

Im connecting cables direct to ecu & applying 12v to ecu,
NOT the bdm.

Anyone come across this before and know the solution pls?

Thanks.

looly
22nd March, 2012, 05:35 PM
Ok guys I could really do with a bit of advice on this pls as i've not used the bdm on a siemens before. As the bdm has correctly identified the mpc family does this mean that all the connections are ok? It's saying that the flash is not recognised so is it possible that the flash is corrupt? This is a spare ecu so im not bothered if the data is corrupt. All im concerned about is that the connections are all fine. Thanks :)

vanya86
5th June, 2012, 05:25 PM
Clone BDM Readin SID803a c5 2006y 2.0 HDI

Theoros
22nd June, 2012, 02:23 PM
Who help me to post the ECU Sid803 BDM port to BDM tool wires?

I use the Siemens bord plug with ecu power supply but it don't work!! "+12Vcc power error or communication error"

Theoros
23rd June, 2012, 04:21 PM
I solved my problem!! Just about connection!!