vag med 9.1 gti skc 2006

[frikki]

good day all. is it possible to get secret pin code from vag med 9.1 ecu immo dump. i dont want to stripp ecu if it is not possible. have to replace used ecu, original one were stolen. million thanks in advance.

[autofan1965]

It is difficult ECU, PIN is in crypted area, You need someone who can viriginze Your ecu via dump. Maybe abritus can read it but it is not confirmed and with PIN You dont have guarante that You can make synchronization...

[lupu_sandu]

Abritus will help you in this case:


- Extracting Security access code / PIN (EDC15, ME7.x, VAG-Cartronic ME7.8, EDC16, EDC17, MED9.x, Simos PPD)
- Extracting Component security bytes (EDC15, ME7.x, VAG-Cartronic ME7.8, EDC16, MED17.5.1, MED 9.x, Simos PPD)

[frikki]

is this then a no go. if i do managed to get hold of the used ecm pin code, its not guaranteed that i wiii be able to do the immo4 ecm swapping as per discribed on ross-tech site. could some member please confirm if should give it a try or rather sent it to the agents for programming. i have done many used ecm immo3 swapping before, but not yet on the golf 5 platform. many thanks in advance.

[frikki]

i see this is a very difficult ecu to work with. bosch MED9.1

[autofan1965]

You need read dump from ECU and post here, maybe someone virginize it for You, and then with PIN from cluster make synchronization like with brand new ECU.

[frikki]

the pin for the cluster is 06919. the dump from the med9.1 ecu ST95160 in attachment. thank you.

[exe123]

Try login 49160 it if it isn't working this one is crypted

[frikki]

thanks EXE123. will try this pin tommorrow.

[lupu_sandu]

Also try pin: 43016

PS:
exe123 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/101862-exe123/): that algo is for ME95 with 95320 as i know.
frikki: (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/98916-frikki/) If you need component security i will post

[frikki]

thanks lupu sandu. i have dealer key. will let you know what outcome is tomorrow. one last question. i guess the ecm must firts me synchronised with the instrument cluster before the actual key can be coded to immo system. i have used ecu.....original instrument cluster....and new dealer key. thanks.

[lupu_sandu]

I guess you have old pin from car.
In this case, match ecu with car and then key will be just 15 min job


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[frikki]

when i do managed to synchronise the ecu to cluster, you say matching key would take 15 min's. may i ask why so long. doesn't it useally takes a few minutes.(as per ross-tech key matching) or am i missing something. thanks. i have also noticed that the pins both you and exe123 have supplied does not start with a 0. is that normal to be 5 straight digits. thank you.

[exe123]

immo4 key adaption takes more time. after you entered the login into the cluster it will show "immo adaption active" after 5 minutes it will show "immo active" after that message you can go to adaption and put in new key count. otherwise the block will not be active.

as you have seen login is always 5 digit but with immo4 they also use the first digit. I can be 0 but most of the immo4 dashs will not start with 0

P.S. I wrote cluster. Immo is in most cases still in cluster but all immo related functions are done in address 25. keep that in mind when you adapt!

[frikki]

good day. EXE123 i have tried entering under 01 engine electronics the pin you have supplied and lupu-sandu. both times vcds were telling me the following message. Security access error. Controller refused to send a seed! ERROR 37: Required time delay not expired. dear friend does this mean that the log-in codes could be incorrect. is there any possibilities to ge the immo light removed from this cluster. a friend of mine might be able to help by truing to immo off this monster of a ecu. i first need to read the whole flash. apparently immo is in both serial eeprom and flash. thanks for advise.

[exe123]

immo off in ecu is possible but as your friend already told you you will need eeprom + flash dump. immo is in eeprom only. flash needs to be modified for different reason.

turn off the immo light and message is also possible but as it is a 2006 dashboard you cannot do it with clone tools. minimum requirement for this would be xprog-m so you could read the dash eeprom+flash. then I can modify it for you.

[autofan1965]

When this car is model year 2006 it should be possible.

[exe123]

you cannot tell that for sure. some cars got dashs with new algo in 01/2006 and some in 06/2006

[frikki]

thanks guys. EXE123 i guess clone x prog m is out of the question. is it to risky to read with clone x prog m. 4.5 the actual original cluster in the vehicle is AAVZZZ1KZ5U........ meaning it is 2005. will that make any difference. thank you.

[autofan1965]

Yes, You can make key programming with vagdashcan via obd, You dont need for it answer from ECU, You need only 30sec to do it. Maybe with commander clone possible too.


exe123: How much dashes before 06/06 have new algo in %? I have yet no one, but I made it rare.

[frikki]

thanks autofan1965. surely if vadashcan can code key only, although ecm is not matched yet, then vcsd should also be able to do it. i entered the pin wait few minutes, but still channel 21 not active to code key. am i doing something wrong. if i select channel 50 after few minutes it is availible but not channel 21 for key adaptation. thanks. EXE123 is china exprog-m 4.5 completely out of the question. if so then im fu......ed. dont have any other neccesary tool.

[exe123]

@autofan1965 : got around 10 dashs from 01/2006 which have the new algo. mainly golf5

@frikki:

vcds cannot write key to dash as long it isn't adapted to ecm.
vagdashcan and k+can are using a different way.
that's why you can write key even if the ecu is not matched.

if the car is really from 2005 you have high chances with dashcan or k+can clone.

[frikki]

thanks EXE123 i remember i have friend that uses vagdashcan i think perchused from germany. i peronally have vag k can 1.4 clone. i will give it a shot. thanks once again for great advise. cheers.

[frikki]

dear EXE123. i have used clone k can 1.4 to code the key. i used vw/can. it says that the key adaptation is succesfull, but i still get a low signal from the key.. another question. if i read a complete flash from another working gti with a known pin code. will i be able write tha flash to this car. then using the skc to code the ecm to the cluster after that code the key using vcds. thanks

[autofan1965]

Check cabel from ignition, maybe is broken or not connected.

[exe123]

dear EXE123. i have used clone k can 1.4 to code the key. i used vw/can. it says that the key adaptation is succesfull, but i still get a low signal from the key.. another question. if i read a complete flash from another working gti with a known pin code. will i be able write tha flash to this car. then using the skc to code the ecm to the cluster after that code the key using vcds. thanks


is immopanel working in your k+can clone? if yes drop me a pm and I will let you know how to remove the immo from dash.

[frikki]

the reader coil is plugged in my friend. thanks.

[frikki]

25 immo. group 001 no....yes....yes....2.0
002 no.....no....no...6.0
003 0.0.....0.0.....0,0....1.0
004 0.0.......0.0
006 111.0....135.0...250.0...165.0
007 brand key regognition....no

[frikki]

hi there i have managed to get the previous owner where the ecm were fitted to. checked the the chassis nr and vw number. it was exactly the same as the ecu that im busy with. i have extracted the skc from the other vehicle. (06809)the reason why the ecm were replaced......it has a burned cercuit on the pcb, causing the radiator fan to work roundomly. funny enough when i am trying to enter the skc into ecm it is not excepting it. when im trying to put pin into channel 50 under cluster....it says waiting.....after few seconds vcds is saying that key not ok. any help will be appreciated. the dealers is not even going to make a attempt to code the secondhand ecm. they insist on fitting a new ecm. any further advise will be appreciated.

[frikki]

EXE123. will vagdashcan be able to read the full cluster dump for modification perposes. clone x prog m clone is to risky. please reply ASAP. i want to purchase vagdashcan to get the job done. thanks.

[frikki]

hi there guys. got the gti started eventualy. must just sort out some small bits and pieces. car want driving for a goos couple of months. next mission is to get rid off immo lights. soon i will be making attempt to read complete flash in cluster with clone x prog m. c.heers