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11th April, 2011, 09:33 AM
Got a letter from the rozzers for speeding on a road called Lordswood Rd in Birmingham, the Misses was driving the car registered to me and was doing 46 in a 30, however there are no high visibility static cameras and there was no coppers with speed guns the only other possibilities are either mobiles place in cars or unmarked vehicles driving in close proximity, My argument is that there are no signs anywhere on that rosd warning of speed cameras nor are there any signs indicating that the speed limit is 30 mph
Source
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/speedmanagement/pdfdftcirc0107.pdf
Signing
40. A speed limit is made lawful by the presence of street lights and/or a Traffic Regulation
Order and the provision of prescribed speed limit signs appropriately located that
comply with the TSRGD.
41. The Department has published an aide-memoire (DfT, 2006a) that provides guidance
on speed limit and safety camera signing and is designed to ensure correct and
consistent signing across the country. It does not replace or update the legal
requirements of TSRGD but should be considered as best practice. In summary:
? Camera signs should continue to be co-located with speed limit signs where
permitted and practicable.
? For fixed speed enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs
should continue to be placed to allow the signs and speed camera to be visible to
the driver in the same view. A camera sign may also be placed not more than 1
km from the first camera housing in the direction being enforced (including or
excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership).
? For mobile enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs
should continue to be placed in advance of the point of entry to the site or route
(including or excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership)
in the direction being enforced. Camera signs should also continue to be placed
thereafter at intervals of around 1 km throughout the length being enforced.
42. Reference should be made to TAL 01/95 Speed limit signs ? a guide to good practice
(DoT, 1995) when reviewing speed limit signing. On dual carriageway roads and
motorways, wherever possible an additional camera warning sign should be placed on
the central reserve.
43. In all cases, camera and speed limit signs must not be obscured but be positioned to be
clearly visible at all times.
44. On every occasion before commencing enforcement at a camera site, the enforcement
officer should be satisfied that relevant speed limit and safety camera signing is present and correct.
and goes on further to say
Visibility
45. Depending upon the enforcement method used, speed camera housings (including
tripod-mounted cameras) or the camera operator or the mobile enforcement vehicle
should be clearly visible from the driver?s viewpoint at the following minimum visibility
distances:
? 60 metres where the speed limit is 40 mph or less;
? 100 metres at all other speed limits.
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46. On every occasion before commencing enforcement at a camera site, the enforcement
officer should check that the visibility guidance is met.
I know it's a pretty stupid thing to do but this appears to be about gaining revenue by deception through a complete lack of warning in compliance with their legal requirements, anyone had any experiences that could offer some advice, it's going to have to be dealt with by tomorrow and if there is a case I will let it go to court
Most grateful
username
Source
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/speedmanagement/pdfdftcirc0107.pdf
Signing
40. A speed limit is made lawful by the presence of street lights and/or a Traffic Regulation
Order and the provision of prescribed speed limit signs appropriately located that
comply with the TSRGD.
41. The Department has published an aide-memoire (DfT, 2006a) that provides guidance
on speed limit and safety camera signing and is designed to ensure correct and
consistent signing across the country. It does not replace or update the legal
requirements of TSRGD but should be considered as best practice. In summary:
? Camera signs should continue to be co-located with speed limit signs where
permitted and practicable.
? For fixed speed enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs
should continue to be placed to allow the signs and speed camera to be visible to
the driver in the same view. A camera sign may also be placed not more than 1
km from the first camera housing in the direction being enforced (including or
excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership).
? For mobile enforcement, co-located camera and speed limit reminder signs
should continue to be placed in advance of the point of entry to the site or route
(including or excluding side roads at the discretion of the road safety partnership)
in the direction being enforced. Camera signs should also continue to be placed
thereafter at intervals of around 1 km throughout the length being enforced.
42. Reference should be made to TAL 01/95 Speed limit signs ? a guide to good practice
(DoT, 1995) when reviewing speed limit signing. On dual carriageway roads and
motorways, wherever possible an additional camera warning sign should be placed on
the central reserve.
43. In all cases, camera and speed limit signs must not be obscured but be positioned to be
clearly visible at all times.
44. On every occasion before commencing enforcement at a camera site, the enforcement
officer should be satisfied that relevant speed limit and safety camera signing is present and correct.
and goes on further to say
Visibility
45. Depending upon the enforcement method used, speed camera housings (including
tripod-mounted cameras) or the camera operator or the mobile enforcement vehicle
should be clearly visible from the driver?s viewpoint at the following minimum visibility
distances:
? 60 metres where the speed limit is 40 mph or less;
? 100 metres at all other speed limits.
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46. On every occasion before commencing enforcement at a camera site, the enforcement
officer should check that the visibility guidance is met.
I know it's a pretty stupid thing to do but this appears to be about gaining revenue by deception through a complete lack of warning in compliance with their legal requirements, anyone had any experiences that could offer some advice, it's going to have to be dealt with by tomorrow and if there is a case I will let it go to court
Most grateful
username