Too much information \ peeing on our own fireworks

[Liteace]

Do you think we're peeing on our own fireworks by giving out too much information on these forums, im not talking about just cars but everything, its good to help people out when they're stuck but if the information & help wasn't available would we (the garages) have more work, Im not talking about our fellow mechanics but the tinkering sunday mechanics that have just got them selfs a cheap op-com, vag-com or what ever-com and need to know how to use it & what to change or check when they do see a fault code, when we've spent years, lots of money & had to do a lot of research. what do you lot think ??

[impactops]

I think you are correct, but i don't think it is the people you have taught to service there own cars that is the problem.It is ones that have spawn their own businesses from the information that has been published here.Two competing automotive forums have surfaced because of it, also high ranking members from DK are administrator's there aswell.So to protect the work of others a zero tolerence approach is required in my opinion.

Regards
Impactops

[teuton]

So I am the first one who doesn't think so that we're cutting off our own legs and arms.
It all depend s on what "helping people out" means. If you're really qualified and have signed in for the daily task of professional prearation and formation all these tree shadow mecanics can't be shortening your buisiness. It takes more than just a cheap chinese interface and some smattering to fix modern cars.

Liteace, there is a saying in spanish:

El sol sale para todos.

[Meat-Head]

Liteace, there is a saying in spanish:

El sol sale para todos.


Does that say "we have your money, now ~~~~ off"?

[adam28]

A case of catch 22.

[rideon]

Information is one thing,knowledge is another,and IMHO,there are fewer folks that can use the information shared here or elsewhere ... And that's sad!

[cipijoint]

beside the peeing activity,there are lots of people that are doing " kaviar " activity by talking a lot but nothing, just to show off and grant acess in hidden areas .people having too much time.

[the_riddler]

Yes Liteace you are right..
But lets not forget that..

1, just having info supplied on the net is one thing, knowing how to put this into the "real world" is another.

2, the world is a big place with a lot of customers / faulty vehicles in it.. i am sure forum loose us a couple, but you have to remember, they also create faults through "playing"..

[Meat-Head]

just got them selfs a cheap op-com, vag-com or what ever-com and need to know how to use it & what to change or check when they do see a fault code, when we've spent years, lots of money & had to do a lot of research. what do you lot think ??


Only got an op-com, vag-com kwp2000+ usb-upa, zedbull, xprogm, galleto 1260, sbb (STILL dead), mvp, vag tacho, vcds, k-can1.4 and hot air station, reault decoder, tms374 decoder, reanult pin reaer, elm 327, elm 327 bluefish - ALL QUALITY MADE IN CHINA

Because of DIGITAL KAOS - THE WORLDS BEST WEBSITE.

Had it not been mor people like premiarD who understand about eeproms, mcu, milage IN-corrections etc etc, would never had done 1/2 the jobs we would have ~~~~ed off.

Like this morning, woman rings up about get this:-
peugot 206 petrol 1999 (306 more like) - keypad packed up **COUGH** years ago we would of crapped ourselves thinking about it, let alone having the car anywhere near the permeis let alone in the workshop.


was GAGGING for this one to turn up - 24C04 - marelli iaw - whatever it's dead, i'm tooled up ready for it.

It also goes the other way, where people ring up and say, got car a, and swapped part from car b and it did .... thanks to DK you can finish what there saying.

Yeah like the 4 times a year i acutally need help, never acutally get it - last one been that airbag reset file, can't remember the others off hand.

[Liteace]

I not blaming THIS forum & I did say the tinkering sunday mechanics, im not talking about trade as we've, as far as I can remember always helped each other out. What Im saying is there are forums out there for absolutely everything. Say for example you have an Astra, you know very little about cars, the MIL light comes on so you go on an Astra forum (im sure there are many) you get told to get an op-com, where to plug in & how to read the codes, you post the codes on the forum, you get told its the EGR, you dont know what an EGR is so you google it and find out, then you get told how to remove it and clean or replace it, job done MIL goes out car runs like a dream its cost you 30 quid for op-com and thats it all for 30 quid and a little time, if it wasnt for the forum the car would have gone to the garage to be fixed. I do agree that yes there will be a lot of ~~~~ ups where "they've" started pressing buttons on the op-com that they should not have done

[C64]

I not blaming THIS forum & I did say the tinkering sunday mechanics, im not talking about trade as we've, as far as I can remember always helped each other out. What Im saying is there are forums out there for absolutely everything. Say for example you have an Astra, you know very little about cars, the MIL light comes on so you go on an Astra forum (im sure there are many) you get told to get an op-com, where to plug in & how to read the codes, you post the codes on the forum, you get told its the EGR, you dont know what an EGR is so you google it and find out, then you get told how to remove it and clean or replace it, job done MIL goes out car runs like a dream its cost you 30 quid for op-com and thats it all for 30 quid and a little time, if it wasnt for the forum the car would have gone to the garage to be fixed. I do agree that yes there will be a lot of ~~~~ ups where "they've" started pressing buttons on the op-com that they should not have done

You do understand that this is a hacking forum, freedom of information and all that jazz.

If you don't want to share, then don't.

Simple.

[Liteace]

If you don't want to share, then don't.

Simple.

Hang on there Matey, this is not a personal attack on anyone. I do help out where I can and have done since i joined in 2009

[Meat-Head]

Hang on there Matey, this is not a personal attack on anyone. I do help out where I can and have done since i joined in 2009


OFFTOPIC~:-

Have noticed you find these VERY VERY VERY low posters, that when you do post, you think - what an amazing post - but if there low posters, try to avoid their thanks button - same for helping - try not to on low poster numbers.

[BRAVO6]

The reason we're on here in the first place is because the manufacturers/dealers make it too expensive for small operators to get the information we need legitimately and try to shut us out. So it would be ironic if we tried to do the same.

[Meat-Head]

What did i just say, oh yeah




Have noticed you find these VERY VERY VERY low posters, that when you do post, you think - what an amazing post -

I rest my case - without pressing the thanks button :roflmao::roflmao:



The reason we're on here in the first place is because the manufacturers/dealers make it too expensive for small operators to get the information we need legitimately and try to shut us out. So it would be ironic if we tried to do the same.

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[Liteace]

What did i just say, oh yeah



I rest my case - without pressing the thanks button :roflmao::roflmao:




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Just give up Mate

[the_riddler]

I not blaming THIS forum & I did say the tinkering sunday mechanics, im not talking about trade as we've, as far as I can remember always helped each other out. What Im saying is there are forums out there for absolutely everything. Say for example you have an Astra, you know very little about cars, the MIL light comes on so you go on an Astra forum (im sure there are many) you get told to get an op-com, where to plug in & how to read the codes, you post the codes on the forum, you get told its the EGR, you dont know what an EGR is so you google it and find out, then you get told how to remove it and clean or replace it, job done MIL goes out car runs like a dream its cost you 30 quid for op-com and thats it all for 30 quid and a little time, if it wasnt for the forum the car would have gone to the garage to be fixed. I do agree that yes there will be a lot of ~~~~ ups where "they've" started pressing buttons on the op-com that they should not have done

Trust me mate,
the types of people you are talking about here, i / we DONT want them as customers, there known as pains in the asre, that dont like to part we money...Period...

But you will find that you still get these people needing work done...
"excuse me mate" i dont know what happend, but we tried to read the fault codes..and now nothing works..:top:

or they read codes tells them injector or coil fault..
so they buy new item..
read codes.....
AHH..its got the same codes...:giveup:

Personally ithink i would struggle with some tasks, if it wasn't for all the kind members here........

[Liteace]

Personally ithink i would struggle with some tasks, if it wasn't for all the kind members here........

I dont think I would struggle I know I would if it wasnt for DK, dont get me wrong Im not going to stop helping people, help and be helped is the way it works here

[C64]

Hang on there Matey, this is not a personal attack on anyone. I do help out where I can and have done since i joined in 2009

I never said it was personal and I didn't say you didn't help.

I just feel that if anyone has reservations whether or not to share info then they have the right not to post. All info is posted on this forum under the posters own free will and if people stopped posting helpful guides, tutorials etc. then we would have no forum at all.

[impactops]

and if people stopped posting helpful guides, tutorials etc. then we would have no forum at all.

Correct and to prevent no forum at all, the absolute strict measures need to be applied.

Members with Aliases...Terminated
Members that have not posted for 3months..Terminated
Members that appear only to take and not give..Terminated
Members who are in a positon of power with a conflict of interest...Terminated
Invisible mode..Terminated.
Selling via PM..Terminated.
Leaching..Terminated, with a top 10 leach list
Posting of emails on forum..Terminated
Members giving help with conditions..Terminated
Shifty Greeks..Terminated

The Governing body must rule with an Iron fist to preserve the sanctity of the forum and to allow those who spend their free time to do so without the fear of exploitation to help those in need.

Regards
Impactops

[gmb45]

[QUOTE=impactops;1304827]

Members with Aliases...Terminated ( we know who they are ;) )

Members that have not posted for 3months..Terminated ( unfair )

Members that appear only to take and not give..Terminated ( hmmmm debatable one )

Members who are in a positon of power with a conflict of interest...Terminated ( ~~~~ me lol )

Invisible mode..Terminated. ( personal choice )

Selling via PM..Terminated. ( have been and will be )

Leaching..Terminated, with a top 10 leach list ( we all leech from somewhere or other, blatant leeching will be dealt with )

Posting of emails on forum..Terminated ( post WILL be edited and warnings/infractions given, if it continues a ban )

Members giving help with conditions..Terminated ( hmmmm if we see such posts we will step in and say something like "dk is a free site no restrictions please, or something along them lines )

Shifty Greeks..Terminated ( cant argue with that one :roflmao: )

The Governing body must rule with an Iron fist to preserve the sanctity of the forum and to allow those who spend their free time to do so without the fear of exploitation to help those in need.

dk staff dont rule with an iron fist so to speak, we do rule fairly tho thats why it is the best site on the netand will continue to be for years to come, when the others have faded away into the vastness of cyberspace :)

[teuton]

dk staff dont rule with an iron fist so to speak, we do rule fairly tho thats why it is the best site on the netand will continue to be for years to come, when the others have faded away into the vastness of cyberspace :)

Hey man,

you touched me with these broad words. Souns like the shakespear of th 3rd millenium:top:

[ninja123]

Not another thread about this, same problems, same answers, I suppose there will be another one started in a few months.

None of us were born with knowledge, someone, somewhere at some point taught you. So if you cant find your answer here, do you give up? I DOUBT IT. Most members here work hard for solutions to problems, and most are willing to share.
Oh, and we were all
'newbie leachers' to start with.

ninja

[Liteace]

None of us were born with knowledge,



Oh, and we were all
'newbie leachers' to start with.








None of us were born with knowledge,

My missis was she knows ~~~~ing everything lol

Oh, and we were all
'newbie leachers' to start with.

Yes we was BUT there are still some on here with say 100 posts and all those 100 post are:

Can I have key for .......
Im looking for..............
I need ...................

with no input what so ever

[impactops]

Liteace is correct, you need to rule it out and take a hard stance on it if you want to keep and maintain loyal knowledgeable members.

I can only speak from my experience, i came on here cause i wanted some advice on a problem i had.I am not in the automotive industry so i stumbled onto DK and asked questions.I didn't really get any help and i managed to solve the problem myself (that's right myself with no knowledge for my specific problem from anywhere else).Pretty soon i discovered a dark underlining theme that existed, constantly being lied too while trying to help those that are lieing!!!Now being new at the time i was not going to make a complaint to admin nor will i now, i've decided to deal with it my own way by exposing the scam artists for what they are, even if it gets me banned.We had lost the software section because of it in my opinion.Once you lose the member who are constantly helping others the site will become like all the rest.

Now i don't expect all of the above i mentioned earlier to be implemented, but unless something is done you will exhuast the currect crop of helpers and cease to contribute

Regards
Impactops

[C64]

Why are these types of threads more common in the 'Garage' section than anywhere else on the forum?

[Liteace]

Yes they are, have a look at the "most wanted" thread, have a look at all the newbies with 20 or less post leaching


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[mladen76]

Regardes to all of you that posted on this thread.

When I first joind this comunity I saw softwares and helpfull
threads,nothing else.
I read DK warnings-pleasee do not use us as download service-I said to my self,so what,I will take what I need.

I am sory that I thinked that way and it did not past mutch time I wanted to give something back,I always want to give more than I get.

But,I think there are a loot of good and truethfull things are said here,on this thread so far.

I woud like also ir there is any way(it must be a way)
to reduce this forum to people who give and get.

This is on moderators to do this,I and anybody else can only make proposition,impactops (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/88309-impactops/) was maybe a bit hard but I agree whit him 100% in most of the things he said,maybe do some modification of rules??

[ninja123]

When I said we were all leachers once, I meant we all came here at first for knowledge or resource, I too see the real leachers who always want and have never contributed to a thread.
I get members pm's asking for help and info, not supprised to see 37 downloads, 2 thanks etc.
SO CHECK OUT THE MEMBERS WHO PM YOU FOR INFO BEFORE REPLYING. I answered a few before I started to check when maybe I shouldn't have:(


DK-The bogs dollocks!!

ninja

[Meat-Head]

When I said we were all leachers once, I meant we all came here at first for knowledge or resource, I too see the real leachers who always want and have never contributed to a thread.
I get members pm's asking for help and info, not supprised to see 37 downloads, 2 thanks etc.
SO CHECK OUT THE MEMBERS WHO PM YOU FOR INFO BEFORE REPLYING. I answered a few before I started to check when maybe I shouldn't have:(


DK-The bogs dollocks!!

ninja

HI

LOOKS LIKE THE WRITING IN BOLD LETTERS DIESASE THAT ASHRAF1169696969 HAS SEEMS TO HAVE SPREAD, UPDATE YOUR VIRUS CHECKERS FOLKS

[oldford]

Any pm that starts with "I need" is answered by me with "I need to win the lottery, can you make that happen?".

[ninja123]

MH, I see what you mean!!


I LOVE DK LONG TIME

:argh:

NINJA

[z786]

i agree wit liteace, we choppin our own legs

[cipijoint]

Correct and to prevent no forum at all, the absolute strict measures need to be applied.

Members with Aliases...Terminated
Members that have not posted for 3months..Terminated
Members that appear only to take and not give..Terminated
Members who are in a positon of power with a conflict of interest...Terminated
Invisible mode..Terminated.
Selling via PM..Terminated.
Leaching..Terminated, with a top 10 leach list
Posting of emails on forum..Terminated
Members giving help with conditions..Terminated
Shifty Greeks..Terminated

The Governing body must rule with an Iron fist to preserve the sanctity of the forum and to allow those who spend their free time to do so without the fear of exploitation to help those in need.

Regards
Impactops

I am sure all members must show his real location on the main post .Why? why to help someone that is hidding? not fair.

Karma solutions is good, When u see someone with KARMA +, then u can help. THis thanks or not is not relevant.

anyway many great brains left this forum ..and visit it 1 time per season .

Thats why forums like QUTO and others are sending invitations for some members here to gather them there.

Because this forum is really a KAOS :))

[Larue]

That's quite difficult question. As we in our workshop mainly are working on electronics diagnostics, i don't mind people who are trying to play with their own cars. Of course, our job is becoming more difficult with this as needs to sort out what's been done on car and then start original fault finding, but our customers always are warned that TRUE story will save our time and his money. Sometimes that helps.
What i have noticed in last few years is that most of cars with all things messed up,wrong connected/broken/disconnected etc wires,connectors, sensors are coming from other garages and just few of them directly from customer.
I would invite some more people.
Last fun was when some technician asked me what that LAMBADA sensor is....:stoned:
I'm not saying that I'm smartest man on the world,but some people desperate needs forums like this.
I'm not surprised after technicians like that man our customers are trying to sort out their cars by themselves.

[Meat-Head]

i agree wit liteace, we choppin our own legs

Bit like you get a phone call:-

"Hello mate, we have a clio, oh no it's a punto, we have put a coil on it, it was fine for 10 miles, now the light is on, what is wrong with it - we haven't pluged it in yet"

Spotting a blow fuse over the phone is easy, but a light on?



I am sure all members must show his real location on the main post .Why? why to help someone that is hidding? not fair.

M-H-M Location is clearly display has been for a very long time





Last fun was when some technician asked me what that LAMBADA sensor is....:stoned:.

Had the other week DFM (Dumb ~~~~ Mechanic) ask what ABS was!

You speak perfick Inglish, so have no problems with you.

[ninja123]

Had the other week DFM (Dumb ~~~~ Mechanic) ask what ABS was!

I remember speaking to a newbie RAC patrol at local parts suppliers, he sprayed injector pipes with WD40 on a diesel car in case reason for non start was damp!!!!!!!!!!

ninja

[Meat-Head]

, he sprayed injector pipes with WD40 on a diesel car in case reason for non start was damp!!!!!!!!!!


Oh the would be proper ~~~~ed with the non-sterter we have now, *THINK* it's QUOTE The "EGC Valve" jamed open

[Ashraf6119]

So I am the first one who doesn't think so that we're cutting off our own legs and arms.
It all depend s on what "helping people out" means. If you're really qualified and have signed in for the daily task of professional prearation and formation all these tree shadow mecanics can't be shortening your buisiness. It takes more than just a cheap chinese interface and some smattering to fix modern cars.

Liteace, there is a saying in spanish:

El sol sale para todos.


El sol sale para todos..........The Sun Shines For Everyone

Every True Mate

[Meat-Head]

El sol sale para todos..........The Sun Shines For Everyone

Every True Mate
HI

DOES IT BOCKOCKS, THE OTHER DAY AT M-H-M
THERE WAS MYSELF AND jNR TEAM MEAT MEMBER, DOING 3 JOBS WHILST 3 PEOPLE WAITING, BOSS WAS JUST THINKING OF HIMSELF ON EBAY.

MEAT

[smirnoff_rules]

HI

DOES IT BOCKOCKS, THE OTHER DAY AT M-H-M
THERE WAS MYSELF AND jNR TEAM MEAT MEMBER, DOING 3 JOBS WHILST 3 PEOPLE WAITING, BOSS WAS JUST THINKING OF HIMSELF ON EBAY.

MEAT


yea but he has to work out where your wages are coming from and the rest of the bills

[Liteace]

I remember speaking to a newbie RAC patrol at local parts suppliers, he sprayed injector pipes with WD40 on a diesel car in case reason for non start was damp!!!!!!!!!!

ninja

Fantastic, did it start after spraying ?????????????????

[Meat-Head]

yea but he has to work out where your wages are coming from and the rest of the bills

thinks of himself first, me, me, me, this, i that, i the other, me, me, me
all day, everyday!

[smirnoff_rules]

thinks of himself first, me, me, me, this, i that, i the other, me, me, me
all day, everyday!

sounds like the boss to me lol . why pay monkeys and peel bananas yourself

[Meat-Head]

sounds like the boss to me lol . why pay monkeys and peel bananas yourself

Yeaah, like leave people waiting for 1/2 hour, thinking of himself on ebay (slightly diff matter if bidding ends in 5 mins say)

[the_riddler]

Yeaah, like leave people waiting for 1/2 hour, thinking of himself on ebay (slightly diff matter if bidding ends in 5 mins say)

If he was on e-bay, he is proberbly looking for new spanner monkeys...:aetsch:

[Meat-Head]

If he was on e-bay, he is proberbly looking for new spanner monkeys...:aetsch:

I'm not a 'spanner monkey' - we are specalists in damaging vechiles so :aetsch: to you to.

[impactops]

I am sure all members must show his real location on the main post .Why? why to help someone that is hidding? not fair.

Karma solutions is good, When u see someone with KARMA +, then u can help. THis thanks or not is not relevant.

anyway many great brains left this forum ..and visit it 1 time per season .

Thats why forums like QUTO and others are sending invitations for some members here to gather them there.

Because this forum is really a KAOS :))

What's happened mate, this month alone you have made 33 posts and 8 posts today!!!.Prior to that your last post was mid july of this year.Are you trying to raise your post count?
Most of your posts have been...Can you help...i would like...i get this error...and now your saying this forum is really a Kaos?I see propaganda my friend especially when you quote to use a system used by the competitor.Quto does not send invitations to anybody, people ask if they can join and if anything a majority are rejected anyway.

If the rules i stated (which you quoted) were implemented, the alias you are using now would be toast, no?

Regards
Impactops

[Liteace]

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[ninja123]

'Fantastic, did it start after spraying ????????????????? '

What do you think??:top:

ninja

[Meat-Head]

'Fantastic, did it start after spraying ????????????????? '

What do you think??:top:

ninja

That will be a Nil Poi situation

[Liteace]

'Fantastic, did it start after spraying ????????????????? '

What do you think??:top:

ninja

I dont know, what I do know is that it would have made ~~~~ all difference spaying it BUT you never know it might have started (nothing to do with the spray, as I said) due to some other fluke (not Fluke scopemeter) like the end of the can, his had or arm touching or even just brushing passed a connection or the engines \ pump loom multiplug or it even might have while winding it over pushed the last tiny bit of air out the pump and it fired up after a couple more spins, the div has then thought BINGO, fixed it and to this day is convinced that spaying the injector pipes on a diesel works !!

[ninja123]

Liteace: 'DIV' - correct
'Start' - naa, unless got a bit in air intake!

MH: nil poir ; correcta mundo!

PS, litace, what did you delete, I missed it! (must have bin gud if you deleted!)

ninja