Focus 2002 diesel start problem

[super jumbe]

Ford Focus 2002 1.8 TDCi

Fitted new head gasket and timing belt now this car will not start it will only start as long as I keep poring easystart spray.

I have managed to get the fault code can some one tell mo what this mean?

(1) P1200 = Injection range performance
(2) P0251 = Inj pump fuel metering control aerror.

[Larue]

That means there is problems with fuel injection system. Next step would be check fuel supplies, rail pressure and all other fuel injection related things.

[Meat-Head]

That's a nice thread.

One of few members who speak and type PERFECT Inglish.

Is it possable you have two multiplugs on the diesel pump switched over?

Too lasy to look this one up , but think it's just a 'normal' diesel with electronic control.

Other thing - but think wrong - fuel cut off switch - if it has one - if was broken down we get no end where there dropped off and tripps the switch.

[Ashraf6119]

Hi

Check injector for leak test..........you might have one or, two injectors leaking and causing low fuel pressure fault code........P0251 = Inj pump fuel metering control error.

[super jumbe]

No leaks in injectors and I can not see how fuel injection system got damaged.

Look car came engine running fine, only problem was some oil in the radiator and I advised the customer that it need new head gasket.

Fitted a new head gasket and the car refused to start.

I checked fuel coming when I open injector pine.

Has it got fuel cut out switch if it has were?

~~~~ed if you ask me??..

Any other advice much appreciate mates.


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[RedNix]

check fuel pump pressure injector test leaking

[smokey08]

Im pretty sure I have set them fault codes by not priming the diesel filter in the past.

Have you checked rail pressure it live data? Have you changed the diesel filter?

[Meat-Head]

yeah agree with smokey as an afterthought.

vectrs are a pig to belledd.

stick airline in fuel tank 7psi bit of rag see what happens

[super jumbe]

Replaced new diesel filter, I will check rail pressure tomorrow.

I will stick airline in her backside at 100psi and see what kind if shit will be coming out.

Thank you for your expertise. I truly appreciate the help.

I will keep you posted tomorrow.

[Meat-Head]

Replaced new diesel filter, I will check rail pressure tomorrow.

I will stick airline in her backside at 100psi and see what kind if shit will be coming out.
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Remember to think WHOOPS as you hear a POP from the tank - don't explode it - syphon the fuel out of it.

Make sure you fill to the top the fuel filter with diesel.

1) MUST try a hand pump on the return side
2) TRY a can of diesel - in a can - HIGH up in the air.

[PierreTheron]

That's a nice thread.

One of few members who speak and type PERFECT Inglish.

Is it possable you have two multiplugs on the diesel pump switched over?

Too lasy to look this one up , but think it's just a 'normal' diesel with electronic control.

Other thing - but think wrong - fuel cut off switch - if it has one - if was broken down we get no end where there dropped off and tripps the switch.
Another pub quizzz

[super jumbe]

Got this car sorted today mates.

Took injectors to specialist this morning and they told me to give them ring in the afternoon.

I got bad news in the afternoon they told me all your 4 injectors are locked due to some one may have switched the ignition on when your injector?s pipes were dismantled.

I know a lad he is always looking for a lighter and admitted switching the ignition on to light the cigarettes.

They unlocked each injectors for ?15 pounds, got back in the garage by 5pm took me 20 minutes to refit and car started like a runaway buffalo.


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[Meat-Head]

I got bad news in the afternoon they told me all your 4 injectors are locked due to some one may have switched the ignition on when your injector?s pipes were dismantled.

:hello:

*CONFUSED*

As you have Posts: 3,453 and Downloads: 257 etc etc, we beleive you.

Seems a bit weird, how there locked, guess no diesel something can go up higher than it should, but how did they unlock them?

Unless they just tw@tted them with a wooden tw@tting stick.

[Ashraf6119]

Got this car sorted today mates.

Took injectors to specialist this morning and they told me to give them ring in the afternoon.

I got bad news in the afternoon they told me all your 4 injectors are locked due to some one may have switched the ignition on when your injector?s pipes were dismantled.

I know a lad he is always looking for a lighter and admitted switching the ignition on to light the cigarettes.

They unlocked each injectors for ?15 pounds, got back in the garage by 5pm took me 20 minutes to refit and car started like a runaway buffalo.


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His just fooled you.......... on Focus 1.8 you can even live the ignition switch ON for 24 hours and it will never damage any of your injectors...............

Yes one thing I can agree is may be when the guys did head gasket they did not keep those injectors in nice and clean place and that did cause to block your injectors but, not by switching ignition ON without pipes fitted did damage your injectors............I don't agree this excuse............:cheer::cheer:

[super jumbe]

I new you were not going to believe me...

Common Rail Vital Components (Pump, Injectors and Rail, ECU)

Common rail injectors are very often 'cylinder coded', this means the engine ECU is programmed with the individual characteristics of each injector.

When removing common rail injectors one must remember to mark the injectors relevant to the cylinders from which they were removed and refit them into the relevant cylinders, otherwise 'injector lockout' may occur.

Delphi common rail injectors are particularly prone to injector lockout, infact they lockout for fun even when kept in order. Should injector lockout occur specialist diagnostic kit must be used to reprogram the injectors? DIY removal/refitting of common rail injectors is not recommended.

Fitting Information given.

If you do not have tools for programming the injectors this information I was given from the technicians.

Fit all 4 injectors and do not connect the injectors, you must bleed all 4 injectors till you see the full flow of diesel coming from injectors they are now ready to be connected.

Connect all 4 injectors with ignition switch in off position, start the car and maintain speed between 3200 to 3500 rpm for 5 minutes gradually release the acceleration if your engine is still misfiring continue the procedures number of times till the misfiring no longer there.

I hope this information will help.

For more information visit: Diesel Bob Tuning - Home (http://www.dieselbob.co.uk/)



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[Meat-Head]

well i beleve you.
.
so on that score they pump them on pressure tester gave it large
.
so in thery towing it down road work have worked.
.
do you ever sleep?

[super jumbe]

Come to think about has any 1 got software to unlock injectors?????

I was told over telephone the cost will be ?60 for 4 to unlock, when I went to collect them they charged me ?100 and was told to keep my mouth shut, will cost you more on VAT if you want the receipt!!!!!!!!

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[Meat-Head]

Come to think about has any 1 got software to unlock injectors?????

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?60+VAT is ?72.

Software to unlock?

As for that sodding jubilee, she and her family can ~~~~ off back to GERMANY where they came from, and take the patent for the frigging christmas tree with them.

[the_riddler]

i was not aware that there was anything inside those injectors that could be influenced by software??

all coding done on these engines is to the ECU not the injectors.
So confused by what you have been told..


i have also seen on many "Web pages of sellers" slightly false information, but i guess they have to make a living somehow.
So don't believe ALL you read..

Just My Opinion.........

[Ashraf6119]

i was not aware that there was anything inside those injectors that could be influenced by software??

all coding done on these engines is to the ECU not the injectors.
So confused by what you have been told..


i have also seen on many "Web pages of sellers" slightly false information, but i guess they have to make a living somehow.
So don't believe ALL you read..

Just My Opinion.........

Hi the_riddler,

Thanks mate you saved me not arguing on this topic any more by you posting this post.........:top::top::top:

[super jumbe]

Originally Posted by the_riddler
i was not aware that there was anything inside those injectors that could be influenced by software??


You are going back to 1950s were no communication to ECU related??

You have to consider that even if you swap the injectors over from cyl 2 to cyl 4 engine will start misfiring and could only happen if the electro chips communication between injectors and ECU.

Another way to prove to you just remove wire from injector and crank the engine then put the wire back and see if the car will start.

I have nothing to gain either you believe me or not?



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[Meat-Head]

You are going back to 1950s were no communication to ECU related??

I have nothing to gain either you believe me or not?


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HUH - just ask the injector company, pin them up the wall DK members NEED to know what they did.

This thread is going to end up closed the way were going

[the_riddler]

Originally Posted by the_riddler
i was not aware that there was anything inside those injectors that could be influenced by software??
You are going back to 1950s were no communication to ECU related***8230;***8230;

You have to consider that even if you swap the injectors over from cyl 2 to cyl 4 engine will start misfiring and could only happen if the electro chips communication between injectors and ECU.
Another way to prove to you just remove wire from injector and crank the engine then put the wire back and see if the car will start.

I have nothing to gain either you believe me or not***8230;

Marking 60 years of The Queen***8217;s reign

The Queen came to the throne on 6th February 1952 (her Coronation took place on 2nd June 1953).

Marking 60 years of The Queen***8217;s reign


:giveup:

EXACTLY CORRECT.............................

All of these Coding / Adaptions ARE INSIDE ECU not Injector..


IF you swap injectors or move them around then you need to tell ECU where they are now fitted.....:ciao:......You don't tell the Injectors where they are fitted..

"Another way to prove to you just remove wire from injector and crank the engine then put the wire back and see if the car will start." :banghead::banghead::viking::viking:never had that problem.Anyway .how does that prove "Injectors" are programmable??

Further more take an injector apart and then post up photos of which element inside these injectors that is capable of being programed................




The only reason i post to this is not to cause argument on here but to try and stop further arguments with customers...
who go on the internet read something posted on a so called specialists web-page, and come into the workshop and try and teach us HOW TO FIX CARS..
When what they have read is not 100% correct,
Easy proof take a known fault with a car ask on 5 different forums.. and you will have 1000 different answers..

[the_riddler]

HUH - just ask the injector company, pin them up the wall DK members NEED to know what they did.

This thread is going to end up closed the way were going


Closed ?? nah

were just going round in circles...

[Meat-Head]

Further more take an injector apart and then post up photos of which element inside these injectors that is capable of being programed................


The only reason i post to this is not to cause argument on here but to try and stop further arguments with customers...
who go on the internet read something posted on a so called specialists web-page, and come into the workshop and try and teach us HOW TO FIX CARS..
When what they have read is not 100% correct,
Easy proof take a known fault with a car ask on 5 different forums.. and you will have 1000 different answers..

1) OUTBID:- Take lots of quality photos inside an injector

2) Before discovering DK i was a member of an INFERIOR forum
can't remember what it was, but some plank posted about a problem
i said it's xxxxx, you do yyyy to it.

Whatever it was, EVERY DK member would agree, i was correct, but some plank with his Shaso and his baseball cap on backwards and his shit
tattoos on his arm, which you can't read, said i was wrong.

Tell all turned against me, so i just called them call coo0ts, insulted
the FAT ownwer and got banned, not managed to get back on again.

3) Here is the proff about what you just said - BUT involves aFROGench car so not 100% conclusive.

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/mondeo-2005-tdci-idle-speed-adjust-273901/#post1579476

Meat

[the_riddler]

1) OUTBID:- Take lots of quality photos inside an injector

2) Before discovering DK i was a member of an INFERIOR forum
can't remember what it was, but some plank posted about a problem
i said it's xxxxx, you do yyyy to it.

Whatever it was, EVERY DK member would agree, i was correct, but some plank with his Shaso and his baseball cap on backwards and his shit
tattoos on his arm, which you can't read, said i was wrong.

Tell all turned against me, so i just called them call coo0ts, insulted
the FAT ownwer and got banned, not managed to get back on again.

3) Here is the proff about what you just said - BUT involves aFROGench car so not 100% conclusive.

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f152/mondeo-2005-tdci-idle-speed-adjust-273901/#post1579476

Meat


i have no doubt that when you go down the "i will help you route" that there will be someone out there just waiting to make you look like a complete TIT...:top::top:

[super jumbe]

Originally Posted by the_riddler
EXACTLY CORRECT.............................

All of these Coding / Adaptions ARE INSIDE ECU not Injector..


IF you swap injectors or move them around then you need to tell ECU where they are now fitted..... ......You don't tell the Injectors where they are fitted..






There you are you do not have to take injectors to Diesel Bob for unlocking anymore our mate the _riddler will tell the ECU to unlock and start the car by some obd tools. I wish you tell us how in future I will able to tell ECU and save over ?????????



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[the_riddler]

There you are you do not have to take injectors to Diesel Bob for unlocking anymore our mate the _riddler will tell the ECU to unlock and start the car by some obd tools. I wish you tell us how in future I will able to tell ECU and save over


i can only guess that either you are BOB or you have never worked on these cars..........

THERE'S NOTHING IN THOSE INJECTORS THAT CAN BE LOCKED..............

APART FROM THE MECHANICAL PARTS...THERE A SOLENOID...

I HAVE INCLUDED A GENERIC DIESEL PDF SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF..BOB..

THAT'S IT I AM DONE HERE .. FED UP :banghead::banghead::banghead:

WTF.....LOCKED INJECTORS.....WTF

[Meat-Head]

I HAVE INCLUDED A GENERIC DIESEL PDF SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF..BOB..




Cool, well leeched, i leeched a file from same bloke about testing errectors.

Sorry, unable to provide link to leech.

[Larue]

OK. To cool down things a bit here there is something from my observations about injectors "unlocking" by diesel specialists.
I have seen many times that when injectors coming back from test place car/van is running better or loose the fault after injectors test only. i mean they had sent injectors back to us without doing anything and reported as good ones only by testing them. Fitted them back on car and fault is gone.
At this moment i have found out that their testing pressures are nearly the same as MAXIMUM possible fuel rail pressure what you can get on car. So i have made decision that under test they are cleaning/shifting injectors and i think that's what's happened with Mr super jumbe Ford.
These are just my thoughts and that would be good if somebody who is working on injectors testing could confirm that or tell that I'm wrong.

[Meat-Head]

so next time ANYmember has 'locked' injectors, - non HDI connect them yo a HDI engine and rev the tits off it.

or put resistor on pressure reg to see if you can get the bottom to blow out

[Larue]

so next time ANYmember has 'locked' injectors, - non HDI connect them yo a HDI engine and rev the tits off it.

or put resistor on pressure reg to see if you can get the bottom to blow out
I have get running some cars that way.
For Delphi injection systems on Ford you need to disconnect brown plug on fuel injection pump to get maximum possible fuel pressure from pump. Just bear in mind that you can crank the engine for 5 seconds two times. Then you need to connect it back and crank over.Otherwise some damage might occur.

[super jumbe]

But the_riddler has confirmed that there is no such thing as locked injectors.

So the company is taking money from customers on false information?.



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