duo clone psu replacements any good?

[septicsmurf]

So I've been having problems driving my motor with the sh***y vu+ duo clone psu and have just about had enough.
I see they now sell clone psu replacements, but are they any good?
Has anyone here bought one and found them to be better than the ones they stuck in the stb, or are they the same old crap?
Could anyone recommend where to get one, preferably from the uk?
The other option would be to buy a genuine psu and stick that in my clone, but would they be compatible?
I don't mind spending ?25 more if it's going to sort it out once and for all.
just trying to nurse my clone along until the prism cube and duo2 are released so I can replace the heap of s**t I have now.
Thanks for your help.

[cactikid]

think there should be a number of posts in the vu section relating to this.

[septicsmurf]

I can't see any on how good the replacement psu's are, and whether a genuine psu will work in a clone.
Seen loads about blown pus's, etc.
Do you mind pointing them out to me?

[cactikid]

spent the last 40 mins looking m8

[septicsmurf]

Oh, I'm not the only one then. Been trawling the net all morning. Thanks.

[portbhoy]

Yes they work I bought one as a standby and put it in to test it and left it in ever since drives my motor fine. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the genuine ones don't work in a clone or that they need re configuring.

[septicsmurf]

Yes they work I bought one as a standby and put it in to test it and left it in ever since drives my motor fine. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the genuine ones don't work in a clone or that they need re configuring.

Thanks for that. Can I ask you where you bought it from?

[benny/9]

Thanks for that. Can I ask you where you bought it from?
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after reading the posts about there being
anouther lot selling clones ,and there are now
clones of the clones.lol. i would ask on the ferrari forum
and ask the members there i had a vu duo clone that
never gave any problems and i got that from the uk
with info from the members on the ferrari board on who to buy from,

[cactikid]

good lad port,i think you answered that post somewhere but could not find it lol

[portbhoy]

Mixeshop mate think it comes in around ?20 delivered.

[digicon]

I asked on the Ferrari forums about the now so called Clone of Ferrari clones and said would it not be a good idea for Ferrari to maybe list a few chinese dealers whoc actually stock ferrari products and not the clone of clones.

I was inevitably told my post was useless and it was up to the seller to decide who to buy from and ask for original ferrari product, What a big help they where so to get this into perspective you have to ask a chinese dealer if he is selling official ferrari product and ofcourse he will say yes you pay you receive a clone of clone he is laughing cause he is 4500 miles away and your stuck with some piece of shit dolly the sheep.

I never thought i would say this but i would advise staying clear of the Solo/Duo clones until they sort this mess out and if your really desperate get a Sim2 DM800se instead they drive Diseqc motors perfectly well.

[cactikid]

any relation to starview lol

[benny/9]

i found this posted elsewhere with a few pic's i cant say if this is true or not

There has been posting about having issues with red light stuck, no little board for nul modem cable and issues with genuine images, well the reason is a chinese factory is making much cheaper copies of ferrari clones with inferior build and chips missing. This is how to tell if ferrari factory or not.

[septicsmurf]

I've just taken delivery of my replacement psu.
Question is, how easy is it to swap over?
Is it just a matter of unscrewing the old one, screwing in the new one and changing the 2 connections over? Oh hang on, think I see another connection.
Is it that easy?

[digicon]

I've just taken delivery of my replacement psu.
Question is, how easy is it to swap over?
Is it just a matter of unscrewing the old one, screwing in the new one and changing the 2 connections over? Oh hang on, think I see another connection.
Is it that easy?


basically yes its that easy

[dell_xps]

Monkey proof :-)

[septicsmurf]

Well I plugged it in, fired it up and nothing. Just the red light.
Plugged the old one back in and it fired up fine.
Looks like I have a duff psu, any suggestions?
Anything you can suggest for me to try?

[dell_xps]

Should just be plug n play m8, must be a dud, get a replacement or yer dosh back :-)

[septicsmurf]

Well after 2 clone vu+ duo's which can't drive my motor and now a dud psu. These clones are a crock of shyte.
Wish I'd spent the extra and bought an original from the off.

[DOUGALMCD]

It is a learning curve and we are all on it mate.

[septicsmurf]

It's the f****ng hard drive. If I unplug the hard drive it powers up, but if I have it plugged in it doesn't.
In the process of messing about my original psu blew as well so now I'm left with a psu that doesn't have enough juice to run a hdd as well as not able to drive the motor.
Bastard thing. Swear I'll never buy a clone again!

[DOUGALMCD]

It probably works no problem on fixed dish so you could sell it on and it would do someone a turn. It would help fund a genuine you need for motor use. lol

[manster]

www.goldwafers.com (http://www.goldwafers.com) sell VU+ Duo PSU's I have been on their website today

[septicsmurf]

www.goldwafers.com (http://www.goldwafers.com) sell VU+ Duo PSU's I have been on their website today

I've been told that original psu's aren't compatible with clone vu+ receivers.

[septicsmurf]

It probably works no problem on fixed dish so you could sell it on and it would do someone a turn. It would help fund a genuine you need for motor use. lol

Would have to go to someone who doesn't have a hdd or motor at the moment.

[DOUGALMCD]

I am sure someone would be happy to have it.

[septicsmurf]

what pisses me off most is that I've gone from a duo that occasionally drives the motor, to one that won't power a hdd or drive a motor.
Should've just left the f****r as is.

[DOUGALMCD]

I don't know how many times i've said that but hey curiosity. You'll eventually have more knowledge but you'll have broken and repaired a few along the way. lol

[septicsmurf]

Is it really to much to ask for a ?200 stb to drive a motor and run a hdd?
Don't know why the original one decided to blow whilst I was messing about. Can't see anything obvious, other than the skid marks when it went pop in my face.

[RuberDuck]

basically i think this whole clone of a clone thing is a crock of shit dreamed up by ferrari to try and clear away posts of errors popping up on their forum. as now when ever any one says any thing about their box, your instantly directed to that clone or our clone thread.

[septicsmurf]

basically i think this whole clone of a clone thing is a crock of shit dreamed up by ferrari to try and clear away posts of errors popping up on their forum. as now when ever any one says any thing about their box, your instantly directed to that clone or our clone thread.

Problem is, I received my first clone in March, and I've had this one since June.
This whole clone of a clone thing is quite recent so mine is obviously a ferrari clone.
Think they're all shit, end of.
The few people that have had no trouble at all are the exception to the rule.
Anyone wanna buy a vu+ duo clone?lol

[RuberDuck]

Problem is, I received my first clone in March, and I've had this one since June.
This whole clone of a clone thing is quite recent so mine is obviously a ferrari clone.
Think they're all shit, end of.
The few people that have had no trouble at all are the exception to the rule.
Anyone wanna buy a vu+ duo clone?lol


lol i could do you a SHOTGUN Vs FERRARI DUO CLONE video and post it on youtube.

[septicsmurf]

?100 and it's yours. I've even knocked ?50 off 'cause you wanna blow the f****r to pieces.

[cactikid]

i think we would pay to see that lol

[dell_xps]

Pull.....................lol

[RuberDuck]

?100 and it's yours. I've even knocked ?50 off 'cause you wanna blow the f****r to pieces.


dont want to get your hopes up and yank your chain in the process but i'm not interested in buying it maybe some one else would be, i'll be more than willing to have a go at it with a semi auto shotgun but i would not buy a clone.

[dell_xps]

I'm sure we could get a few contributors to chip in for it, then RD can take his shotgun to it ?
I'll chip in a ?10 :-)

[RuberDuck]

I'm sure we could get a few contributors to chip in for it, then RD can take his shotgun to it ?
I'll chip in a ?10 :-)


LMAO very generous of you. ( just need a decent camera now too lol as i dont think i'd make a very good vid with just my phone even though it is the almighty samsung galaxy s3 ).

[dell_xps]

That'll do, ?90 come on peeps :-)

[septicsmurf]

This is the response I got from the supplier.


thanks for your order .
it is a new one power supply, quality no problem.
after install the hdd, the vu box no work, it is because the motherboard have defect.
pls check again.
you can ask them about it , also the vu not support dish motor.

best wishes
tony


Vu doesn't support dish motor?
Fault with motherboard? Does he think I was born yesterday?

[septicsmurf]

After numerous emails and threats the best they can come up with is.
A half price replacement psu, or a free one if I buy something else.
The psu only cost ?30 delivered, sending it back would probably cost me half that, so the half price one is probably the best I could get.
In the meanwhile I've ordered a hdd caddy with external power source which should resolve that issue.

[dell_xps]

Been better cutting yer losses m8 :-(

[septicsmurf]

If the solo2, duo2 and plug and play twin tuner were out, I would've cut my losses. Theres no way I'm going to get an original duo when the new range is due to be released soon.
just want this clone limp along till I decide on either an uno with twin tuner module, duo2 or solo2. Dependent on price.
I've seen the solo2 advertised at 399 euro, not sure how accurate that price is, but I'd definately have one a that price.

[portbhoy]

I got a replacement PSU from Mixeshop and it came in at under ?20 delivered.

[septicsmurf]

I got a replacement PSU from Mixeshop and it came in at under ?20 delivered.

That's where I got mine from. Price also depends on delivery method chosen. I chose dhl, so came in at around ?30.
still waiting for him to tell me how I can get it half price. Guess they send me a voucher to enter at checkout or something.

[digicon]

If the solo2, duo2 and plug and play twin tuner were out, I would've cut my losses. Theres no way I'm going to get an original duo when the new range is due to be released soon.
just want this clone limp along till I decide on either an uno with twin tuner module, duo2 or solo2. Dependent on price.
I've seen the solo2 advertised at 399 euro, not sure how accurate that price is, but I'd definately have one a that price.



I think what you have to ask yourself is this do you want a satellite receiver to do what it is made for ie: Watch satellite television or do you want it to be a full blown media centre where you can play any type of file you throw at it ( That is of course debatable until we actually see the solo2 or duo2 in action ). As i cannot see the extra Umph power under the hood of these 2 machines making satellite viewing any better than it already is say in the form of the Uno or Ultimo.


Personally i have a HTPC for what i want to do it plays everything i need without any conversion process, I just piont and click at the file and away i go, Thats why i leave my Uno just for what it was built for watching TV.

[septicsmurf]

I think what you have to ask yourself is this do you want a satellite receiver to do what it is made for ie: Watch satellite television or do you want it to be a full blown media centre where you can play any type of file you throw at it ( That is of course debatable until we actually see the solo2 or duo2 in action ). As i cannot see the extra Umph power under the hood of these 2 machines making satellite viewing any better than it already is say in the form of the Uno or Ultimo.


Personally i have a HTPC for what i want to do it plays everything i need without any conversion process, I just piont and click at the file and away i go, Thats why i leave my Uno just for what it was built for watching TV.

I have an htpc as well, but my clone duo won't run the hdd and only sporadically moves my motor.
I don't want to buy an original duo as all support for it will eventually dry up as the solo2 and duo2 become more popular.
If it's a case of a duo for ?280 now, or a solo2, which will be a twin tuner, for ?300- ?350 in a couple of months. I know what i'd go for.

[dell_xps]

" support for it will eventually dry up ", very much doubt it m8.

[digicon]

" support for it will eventually dry up ", very much doubt it m8.

Never say never just look at some of the older Technomates including the TM800 and Qbox mini, will take abit of time but when the Solo2 and Duo2 become mainstream and popular support will go and it will be a case of what happens with the clone DM's now they will have images ported for them 'Clones' only though. LOL

[digicon]

I have an htpc as well, but my clone duo won't run the hdd and only sporadically moves my motor.
I don't want to buy an original duo as all support for it will eventually dry up as the solo2 and duo2 become more popular.
If it's a case of a duo for ?280 now, or a solo2, which will be a twin tuner, for ?300- ?350 in a couple of months. I know what i'd go for.

Thats why i asked the question you already have a media centre why wait get the Uno and next month get a Dual tuner card and then you have a Duo Beater

[septicsmurf]

Thats why i asked the question you already have a media centre why wait get the Uno and next month get a Dual tuner card and then you have a Duo Beater

Because in a short while I might be able to get an everything beater for only slightly more than an uno and twin tuner module.
I also want to be sure that the uno and twin tuner module do work together. You never know what bugs there might be.

[digicon]

Because in a short while I might be able to get an everything beater for only slightly more than an uno and twin tuner module.
I also want to be sure that the uno and twin tuner module do work together. You never know what bugs there might be.


I can tell you now without doubt having a look at the specs of the Solo2 and Duo2 they will never match a spec built HTPC, i jst think they will still have problems with some files as do the current range.

the Drivers for the Dual tuner have been inside the Uno and Ultimo images since February of this year so i doubt there will be any problems, Plugin reboot and thats it.

[RuberDuck]

Never say never just look at some of the older Technomates including the TM800 and Qbox mini, will take abit of time but when the Solo2 and Duo2 become mainstream and popular support will go and it will be a case of what happens with the clone DM's now they will have images ported for them 'Clones' only though. LOL

of course support is not going to last forever but i would not worry about it. yes Vu are phasing out the Duo and Solo but driver and image support will continue for a considerable time to come. after all even now with the ultimo and uno in circulation the duo is still by far the most popular and heavily downloaded image ( speaking of ViX here ). that support is not going to just dry up because of new models.

[cactikid]

but for most people that just use the functions of enjoying the channels long may it last.

[septicsmurf]

It appears that the hdd I thought was ok, actually isn't.
When I connected it via usb I set the mount point, receiver rebooted and I left it at that.
When I tried to initialise it later it threw up an error. Either mount fail or nfks fail came up every time I tried to initialise it.
Do you think it was fried when the psu went pop?
The stb sees it, just won't initialise it.
I hooked it up to my pc and I see the caddy in devices manager but the hdd doesn't appear in computer or as a mass storage device.
Any way I can save it?

[ekkostar]

Just can't help thinking what exactly is the point of buying a VU clone ?

The price difference never warranted it to begin with.

+ add in the price of a decent PSU, the hassle of limited images and the endless unknown of when will it go wrong again...

It's actually more economical and far less headache to get an original to begin with

I really couldn't recommend a clone to anyone let alone cash strapped buyers. Traceablility ? You got to be joking. You've basically got a variety of chinese factories producing the components of indifferent quality supplying third party assemblers slinging the bits together 30 boxes an hour.... all of whom are trying to replicate and rip each other.

If you wish to be the end user at the end of that chain, then good luck.

The only appeal clones truly hold is to enthusiaists who wish to see what chinese cloners have come up with this time....otherwise curiosity eventually kills the cat

[septicsmurf]

When I bought my clone for ?180, an orignal was ?349.
Add to that the rave reviews they received in the beginning, and how good dreambox clones are.
It seemed like a good idea.

[ekkostar]

The disparity was never that much. The Duo's have not been ?349 for a long, long time and certainly not since the clones started surfacing.

When the clones were ?200-210 originals could be had for ?299. When the price of clones was ?180 the orginals could be picked up for ?280.

For the sake of ?80-100, there's nothing much to rave about and plenty to rue.

Yes you save money but at what cost.... the value of something is also equally the value of nothing... I guess you understand that now.

[septicsmurf]

When I bought my clone the original was ?349 from world of satellite!
We're talking beginning of the year.
I've got the email from them in my inbox.
Just checked my cc bill and the clone was ?187 delivered.

[gaz1968]

I to have had the problem with it not driving the motor so I got a free psu replacement off the supplier and that still doesn't drive it. It only drives to a desired sattelite when I restart the box its driving me mad.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

[ekkostar]

When I bought my clone the original was ?349 from world of satellite!
We're talking beginning of the year.
I've got the email from them in my inbox.
Just checked my cc bill and the clone was ?187 delivered.

Right now the Ultimo can be had from ?339 through to ?499. It pays to shop around and what you compare.

Bottom line is Duo clone is junk. There was a few people raving about it, including dare I say some who should know better.

I'm not sure any receiever where connectors and cables are inserted incorrectly, psu's that are potential fire hazards, can in any shape or form be a sensible or indeed viable option to consider.

As for Dream clones they're slightly differenet. Given the orignal receivers were priced double or treble their prices, the cloners have had more margin to be able to refine a product.

A DM800HDSE can be had for well under ?200 whilst the Original is ?430. The cloners have had enough there to clone to an acceptable quality and still offer a commercially viable product.

The VU+ Duo's on the other hand were very keenly priced to begin with. Trying to replicate dual tuner machines and knock ?100 off, means cutting all sorts of corners in the QS dept. It's no wonder Ferrari no longer want to know...they've fathered a clone of clones war...

[septicsmurf]

I to have had the problem with it not driving the motor so I got a free psu replacement off the supplier and that still doesn't drive it. It only drives to a desired sattelite when I restart the box its driving me mad.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

I have that problem as well. I've had 2 receivers (v1 and v2), the supplier sent me a replacement when the first one wouldn't drive the motor.
I'm now on my 3rd power supply and still no joy.
Someone mentioned a possible incompatibility issue with clones and dark motor.

[digicon]

The disparity was never that much. The Duo's have not been ?349 for a long, long time and certainly not since the clones started surfacing.

When the clones were ?200-210 originals could be had for ?299. When the price of clones was ?180 the orginals could be picked up for ?280.

For the sake of ?80-100, there's nothing much to rave about and plenty to rue.

Yes you save money but at what cost.... the value of something is also equally the value of nothing... I guess you understand that now.


No idea where you got the ?200-?210 for a clone, I got one when they first appeared Batch 1 so to speak and i paid ?170 delivered if you look around and shop smartly that is. The originals where still priced at ?329 so quite a healthy saving over an original.

Mine worked fine i did numerous tests with it the post of the test is still available somewhere and i sold it on trouble free as well, The problems have surfaced in this new current batch which i would say steer well clear of.

[ekkostar]

:rolleyes:
I got one when they first appeared Batch 1 so to speak and i paid ?170 delivered if you look around and shop smartly that is. The originals where still priced at ?329 so quite a healthy saving over an original.

There is no such thing as shopping smartly for a 'Clone Duo'. It's a fallacy.

The early ones had dodgy connectors, psu's, motor incompatibility.....add to that images are drying up and developers plugging the holes.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and the clones by all accounts are pretty much junk. You sold your's on soon enough, but not long enough to know otherwise....there's some irony in that

[digicon]

:rolleyes:

There is no such thing as shopping smartly for a 'Clone Duo'. It's a fallacy.

The early ones had dodgy connectors, psu's, motor incompatibility.....add to that images are drying up and developers plugging the holes.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating and the clones by all accounts are pretty much junk. You sold your's on soon enough, but not long enough to know otherwise....there's some irony in that


Mate dont talk out of your arse until you own one you have not got a clue what your on about, Your not on AVforums now so stop preaching the shit clone spiel on here and let people make there own minds up

[septicsmurf]

It doesn't help anyone when someone comes on here going on about how stupid they were for buying a clone.
It's more than paid for itself in the 6-7 months I've had it.
Yes I do have to give the dish a nudge sometimes to get it to change sats, which takes all of about 10 seconds.
I bought it for ?180, I'll probably sell it on for about ?100, so I'm still quids in.
And I make the overall saving at about ?150-?160 when I bought my clone. That's nearly half price!
Don't need people stirring it up.
The title of the thread was about the clone replacement psu, not a lets have a go at anyone who's bought a clone.

[ekkostar]

Mate dont talk out of your arse until you own one you have not got a clue what your on about, Your not on AVforums now so stop preaching the shit clone spiel on here and let people make there own minds up

Everything I have said is factual...but I guess you knew that already :afraid:

[ekkostar]

It doesn't help anyone when someone comes on here going on about how stupid they were for buying a clone.
It's more than paid for itself in the 6-7 months I've had it.
Yes I do have to give the dish a nudge sometimes to get it to change sats, which takes all of about 10 seconds.
I bought it for ?180, I'll probably sell it on for about ?100, so I'm still quids in.
And I make the overall saving at about ?150-?160 when I bought my clone. That's nearly half price!
Don't need people stirring it up.
The title of the thread was about the clone replacement psu, not a lets have a go at anyone who's bought a clone.


There are some that swear by them and others that swear at them.... will let you decide which camp you're in.

If you wish to persevere with it feel free to order a replacement PSU.

Personally I don't think they are much kop or worth it...each to their own.

[benny/9]

Everything I have said is factual...but I guess you knew that already :afraid:
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i have own both clone and genuine vu duo's
and have never had any problems with either
and anouther member on this forum now has
the clone and he has'nt reported any problems either,
plus i think most of the psu problems have come with
the other people who are also making clone vu boxes
and not with the ferrari clones so much.

[ekkostar]

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i have own both clone and genuine vu duo's
and have never had any problems with either
and anouther member on this forum now has
the clone and he has'nt reported any problems either,
plus i think most of the psu problems have come with
the other people who are also making clone vu boxes
and not with the ferrari clones so much.

Hi,

It's not really limited to the clone of the clones but the ferrari's also have had the same problems.

It's when they go wrong that people come to realise perhaps the value of why the genuine is the better buy. As long as everyone is aware what they are buying into. Ultimately the duo clones are rapidly being marginalised more far quicker than the Dream were.

Other than that, reading to to find someone who claims to know sat receivers recommending it, then subsequently advising steer clear smacks of more than a little hypocrisy...dare I say loss of credibility :afraid:

[septicsmurf]

Hi,

It's not really limited to the clone of the clones but the ferrari's also have had the same problems.

It's when they go wrong that people come to realise perhaps the value of why the genuine is the better buy. As long as everyone is aware what they are buying into. Ultimately the duo clones are rapidly being marginalised more far quicker than the Dream were.

Other than that, reading to to find someone who claims to know sat receivers recommending it, then subsequently advising steer clear smacks of more than a little hypocrisy...dare I say loss of credibility :afraid:

Like I said before. At ?180, my duo clone has more than paid for itself, and I will get something back for it when I decide to get a new stb.
I recently saw a clone, sold as for parts or not working, go for ?100 on fleabay. So people are still buying them, and for good reason too.
If I only had a sly uk dish I would never even have known that my psu was slightly underpowered.
In that case it would have been a brilliant buy. Other than not being ably to use the latest blackhole and vix images, which ferrari team are currently working on by the way, there would be hardly any difference between a clone and original.
Originals have also had their fair share of blown psu's, so it's not only clones that go bang.
It is also true that people never really say anything about it unless there is something wrong. So I would say there are thousands of people out there who have no problems at all with their clones, and are pleased with their purchase.
As for taking swipes at members on this forum, what is the point?
Hide behind your pc and have digs at people, when this forum is actually here to help people, not bring people down.
so why not open a beer, relax a bit, and quit the hating.

[ekkostar]

No hiding, no hating going on and happy to help.

You pays your money and you takes your choice. At ?180 if you take into consideration the known issues then it's not really that great a buy is it ?

Selling it on maybe a consolation and some form of recovery for you, but it doesn't disguise the issues.

At the end of the day, I personally wouldn't recommend a clone duo and for the increasing variety of issues to consider, couldn't really.

As for the other comments on this thread....well...people need to take a rain check...just reading some of the other threads, seems like humble pie is hard to swallow... they seem to have made an arse of themselves :stupid:

[benny/9]

No hiding, no hating going on and happy to help.

You pays your money and you takes your choice. At ?180 if you take into consideration the known issues then it's not really that great a buy is it ?

Selling it on maybe a consolation and some form of recovery for you, but it doesn't disguise the issues.

At the end of the day, I personally wouldn't recommend a clone duo and for the increasing variety of issues to consider, couldn't really.

As for the other comments on this thread....well...people need to take a rain check...just reading some of the other threads, seems like humble pie is hard to swallow... they seem to have made an arse of themselves :stupid:
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i can believe what i'm reading mate your on a forum
where most members use clone receivers, and now
your saying others have made arse's of themselves
one member in particular who posted back that you
are the one talking out of your arse, is a very well respected
on this forum. and he does know what he's talking about
with dishes/lnb's and most types of boxes original and clone
that i know he's tested so for me he's the one i would listen to.
so do you really think the members give a monkeys about your
rubbishing clones answers, your replies remind me of certain forums
where they ban if you dont do as they say etc: for me a forum is a
place to make friends, help advise and share freely. and if clone boxes
upset you that much why bother posting in threads about them

[septicsmurf]

The other point to make is that for a newbie, as I was when I bought my clone.
Would I rather take the chance of bricking a ?330 reciever or a ?180 receiver?
Both look the same, more or less do the same, and have loads of support!
And as for people making an arse of themselves. Well I only see one person doing that!

[ekkostar]

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i can believe what i'm reading mate your on a forum
where most members use clone receivers, and now
your saying others have made arse's of themselves
one member in particular who posted back that you
are the one talking out of your arse, is a very well respected
on this forum. and he does know what he's talking about
with dishes/lnb's and most types of boxes original and clone
that i know he's tested so for me he's the one i would listen to.
so do you really think the members give a monkeys about your
rubbishing clones answers, your replies remind me of certain forums
where they ban if you dont do as they say etc: for me a forum is a
place to make friends, help advise and share freely. and if clone boxes
upset you that much why bother posting in threads about them

Either you don't believe what you are reading or perhaps it's more a case of you don't like what you are reading ?.... message and messenger

Given that the same member 'Digicon' is advising steering clear of the clones... which advice do you take now ? Also given that he sold it on and doesn't have one or had one for long anyway (isn't that correct?) it's a bit naive to say it was or is a well grounded or rounded evaluation.

The Duo clone does have problems, known fact. The Solo clone not so much, Dreambox 800/se clones not so much either.

At the end of the day you are forking out ?180 and my point is it should be an informed decision either way. You may save money over the intitial outlay on an an original. Allowing for the issues and frustrations it may however not be the best idea.

If none of my pioints striike any resonance with you then I'll simply refer you to the opening post of this thread by the OP.


So I've been having problems driving my motor with the sh***y vu+ duo clone psu and have just about had enough.
I see they now sell clone psu replacements, but are they any good?
Has anyone here bought one and found them to be better than the ones they stuck in the stb, or are they the same old crap?
Could anyone recommend where to get one, preferably from the uk?
The other option would be to buy a genuine psu and stick that in my clone, but would they be compatible?
I don't mind spending ?25 more if it's going to sort it out once and for all.
just trying to nurse my clone along until the prism cube and duo2 are released so I can replace the heap of s**t I have now.
Thanks for your help.

....that doesn't sound very endearing does it ? :afraid:

[digicon]

Either you don't believe what you are reading or perhaps it's more a case of you don't like what you are reading ?.... message and messenger

Given that the same member 'Digicon' is advising steering clear of the clones... which advice do you take now ? Also given that he sold it on and doesn't have one or had one for long anyway (isn't that correct?) it's a bit naive to say it was or is a well grounded or rounded evaluation.

The Duo clone does have problems, known fact. The Solo clone not so much, Dreambox 800/se clones not so much either.

At the end of the day you are forking out ?180 and my point is it should be an informed decision either way. You may save money over the intitial outlay on an an original. Allowing for the issues and frustrations it may however not be the best idea.

If none of my pioints striike any resonance with you then I'll simply refer you to the opening post of this thread by the OP.



....that doesn't sound very endearing does it ? :afraid:


Like i said i owned a V1 clone and it was fine for me it does appear that of late more problems have cropped up with the clones it was the same with the DM's until they sorted it, I think the problems are coming from certain china suppliers as some are getting AOK ones and some are not so its pot luck really, My mentioning of steer clear of them was advisory of be careful of certain suppliers. At the end of the day its up to the individual if he/she buys a clone or not.

Oh! and reply to your post about i got shut of mine i could also say the same of the Ultimo i owned for 3 months i thought the tuners where crap so i got shut of it, Unlike the Duo Clone which i bought to test nothing to do with it being crap again bought to test and nothing else.

I can probably say the same for the other technomate, DM's, Xtrend, Clark Tech, VU+, Gigablue etc.. that i have owned in the past 12 months bought to test and then sold on like many members on here do.

So preach your drivel elsewhere and let members on here make there own mind up.

[ekkostar]

The reality of it really is you bought a V1, tried it for a very short while, gave it a thumbs up without really soak testing it or in depth testing and flogged it on.

The variety of problems on the clones have surfaced and you've then changed your stance to a 'steer clear'.

Please don't refer to my posts as drivel or make derogatory remarks in order to try defend your position. In order to make informed decisions people need informed advice.

I'm not sure what tuner problems you had with your Ultimo, I believe you switched to an Uno ? Don't they use the same plug and play tuner anyway?

[digicon]

The reality of it really is you bought a V1, tried it for a very short while, gave it a thumbs up without really soak testing it or in depth testing and flogged it on.

The variety of problems on the clones have surfaced and you've then changed your stance to a 'steer clear'.

Please don't refer to my posts as drivel or make derogatory remarks in order to try defend your position. In order to make informed decisions people need informed advice.

I'm not sure what tuner problems you had with your Ultimo, I believe you switched to an Uno ? Don't they use the same plug and play tuner anyway?


You need to do a search before you post anything relating to clone Duo's

How much more testing in your opinion is required:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f193/vu-duo-clone-tested-first-impressions-257382/


The tuner problems i had with the Ultimo related to certain TP's on 0.8? west and 13? east i got fed up with searching anymore, Picture breakup even on very strong signals, I believe or i cannot confirm this but it should be fixed now with the FPGA update something which the Uno had nearly straight away and not 10 months later after its initial release date.

And just for the record i dont rate the tuner in the Uno/Ultimo as it stands now the lowly ?129 TM5402HD has a more sensitive tuner its just a shame its not Linux

[benny/9]

for me this member is just here just to clone bash
and stir the members up. like i said if clone models
upset you dont post about them, you've been a member
here for about 5 years and made a hand full of posts
and not one is off any interest, i also said most members
here are clone model users, and dont care about your remarks
99% of receivers etc i have had have been original but i dont
force others to think the way i do, i'm lucky i have enough money to
indulge myself and buy as and what i want, but for testing purposes i
have had more problems with dreambox clones than vu clones
plus the main clone problem is the psu board and you can buy a new psu
for ?20 not three times as much like the genuine psu,
so if dealers stock them some genuine models must have the psu problems

[ekkostar]

Actually I'm not here to clone bash at all. It's not my thread and it's self explanatory.

The OP has posted a valid thread in asking is it worthwhile spending another ?25 on a PSU to continue to persevere ?

The ferrari team are also now distancing themselves from what is now appearing to have become a 'clone of clones' war. The whole thing has become so muddied that when it comes to considering replacement PSU's you also have to wonder where this receiver is headed.

On top of this you've had Digicon review the clone, which from reading here probably convinced some people to buy ? At least Digicon has finally had the good sense to at least retract and now advise steer clear. I asume this remains the position ?

If you find any of my comments too sensitive perhaps it's because you are trying to defend a clone which is not too great a model ? Whether you wish to admit it or not, there are considerable problems surfacing with the duo clones.

[potrobber]

i have been buying clones from January and have had quite a few of them from then

and i can only say they have not been as bad as its being made out here

the one thing i will say here is do not buy from naveed
aka aspley satellite aka dreambox. me aka dreamboxparts .uk

i had the misfortune of buying 10 from him after his 25 duo's was sent to me instead of him by mistake

i done the decent thing and got them ready for collection to his address so he got them back

he then said he would match the price i was getting at from else where so i took ten and out of these i have had 3 with main board faults and 4 psu's go bang

the boxs he is selling do not come close to the boxs i get from other supplier never had a fault with any of them

and i would also think most that have had faulty boxs they have come from one of the above named places

so beware of the above named place,s when buying a clone duo

and at half the price of genuine i find them good value

[benny/9]

If you find any of my comments too sensitive perhaps it's because you are trying to defend a clone which is not too great a model ? Whether you wish to admit it or not, there are considerable problems surfacing with the duo clones.
*************************
i dont find any of your comments to sensitive
and i'm not defending clone or original vu boxes
and i dont have a clone of any model at this time.
i find your posts implying anyone who buys clone
deserves what they get, most who post about the
problems they have are looking for help and advise
on trying to find a fix, and i dont think your remarks
help anyone, and as i keep saying it's your choice
to only buy original boxes,but most here use clones
and if the clones upset you dont post in threads about
them and thats the only statement i keep making.

[digicon]

Actually I'm not here to clone bash at all. It's not my thread and it's self explanatory.

The OP has posted a valid thread in asking is it worthwhile spending another ?25 on a PSU to continue to persevere ?

The ferrari team are also now distancing themselves from what is now appearing to have become a 'clone of clones' war. The whole thing has become so muddied that when it comes to considering replacement PSU's you also have to wonder where this receiver is headed.

On top of this you've had Digicon review the clone, which from reading here probably convinced some people to buy ? At least Digicon has finally had the good sense to at least retract and now advise steer clear. I asume this remains the position ?

If you find any of my comments too sensitive perhaps it's because you are trying to defend a clone which is not too great a model ? Whether you wish to admit it or not, there are considerable problems surfacing with the duo clones.


To your quoted Text everyone has a mind of there own, So my review was to aid peoples judgement about would it be advisable for them to buy a Clone if they where thinking about it or had doubts.

For those people who had some reservations about buying a clone before i tested one and i did the write up had more than likely 99% already made up there mind they where going to buy one anyway, so i did not need to convince anyone i have no vested interest with any clone supplier or do i like some beta testers for certain image's receive free satellite receivers. I also do not receive anything from anyone which would sway Judgement.

I buy all my own equipment purely out of curiosity's sake and to make my own mind up, The clone review was done purely because i saw a lot of people asking different questions about certain setup scenario's, So all i obligingly did was test what ever i had setup at the time and see what the outcome was simple as that.

I also stand by what i said as well at the time based on my own experience in my own environment with my own equipment that the clone i had for the 3-4 months i owned and used it daily did exactly what i wanted it to do full stop.


So please lets not start saying i swayed members to buy a clone completely untrue people can make up there own mind.

[dell_xps]

If people think there are getting/buying a bargain then thats all there is to it.
It's human nature to try and save a few pennies, in this case you would probably be better saving up and waiting until you can afford an original Vu. ( Myself and RD have always had that stance...:-))
As Digicon said he has never forced anyone to part with there hard earned cash to buy a clone :-), anyway stop hi jacking the guys thread...lol

[gsmtech]

Over the years I've owned several clones dm500 c and s versions, dm600 , dm800hd , dm800hd pro. Dm800se. I also have a vu duo v2 clone. I have had very few issues with any of these clones. Worst I've had is one doa dm500c. One failed psu after 2 years fixed with two caps replaced in the psu. The early dm800 clones prior to rev m tuners had glitchy tuners.
Now consider each of these clones was at least half the price of the original. The amount of money I've saved over the years easily makes up for the minor issues many of which I knew about before purchasing like glitchy tuners on pre rev m clones.
Personally I don't have any issues with my duo clone but I have a fixed dish and a 2.5 inch hard disk.
The weak link on clones has for a while now been Ferrari team...They have a track record of poor hardware and support, until SIM 2 team came on to the scene to up the competition and quality of clones it was mainly Ferrari clones especially dm800.
I still have family members using dm500s clones with no issues, I still run my old dm500c clone for various applications....
Yes clones do have their inherent risks and pitfalls as well as their advantages. But so do original boxes...Look at the long line of flop original receivers...azbox, qbox1, qbox mini hd, reelbox, TM Linux receivers.... compared to these lot clone ownership is much more beneficial.
It generally is resellers of original boxes, fanboys, or people with links to development teams who do all this clone scaremongering... if your going to buy a clone and you do your research before hand and are aware of the potential pitfalls there's no issues. In my opinion the benefits on cost saving are reason enough..maybe manufacturers will price their products more reasonably in future and stop being greedy if they want to stop losing custom to clones.

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[RuberDuck]

If people think there are getting/buying a bargain then thats all there is to it.
It's human nature to try and save a few pennies, in this case you would probably be better saving up and waiting until you can afford an original Vu. ( Myself and RD have always had that stance...:-))
As Digicon said he has never forced anyone to part with there hard earned cash to buy a clone :-), anyway stop hi jacking the guys thread...lol


LMFAO i'm not even going to go there mate. most here know how i feel about these receivers as opposed to the genuine article. Too many traders on these here forums looking to make a fast buck is all i'm going to say.

[ekkostar]

If people think there are getting/buying a bargain then thats all there is to it.
It's human nature to try and save a few pennies, in this case you would probably be better saving up and waiting until you can afford an original Vu. ( Myself and RD have always had that stance...:-))
As Digicon said he has never forced anyone to part with there hard earned cash to buy a clone :-), anyway stop hi jacking the guys thread...lol

Totally agree. Not everyone has deep pockets and it's human nature to try and get a bargain.

I apologise if I've offended anyone or if it appears the thread has been hijacked. I can assure you there is a very valid point at play here and this thread highlights it.

After buying into a clone and experiencing problems is it worthwhile to persevere and keep spending money on it ?

At ?180, if all works and it remains doing so then there's little to debate. It does have it's short comings...but you have knowingly bought into that and saved money.

It's when the clone develops faults peculiar only to clones. Potentially two psu's in and another ?50 further out of pocket + the frustration (time is also money), tuner problems, no back-up from re-sellers. In fact I would assume one of those to be a given at any given time.

What is worse is, invariably with people trying to save money, this is usually their first or early foray into satellite. The whole experience can be or is tainted.

The genuine article remains the genuine article. The Genuine VU Duo is by all accounts an extremely able receiver. A lot of enthusiasts realise the value of why that is so and why it's sometimes worthwhile to spend the extra.

The Dreambox clones have indeed come a lot further as they represent a different commercial proposition for both cloners and buyers alike. The cloners will and have eventually spent the additional amount on better components because the margin between a clone and an original is so great and ultimately gets recouped.

The Duo clone being a twin tuner machine based off an already value centered product was and remains a challenge. The proof of that is now also known to the Ferrari team, to clone a clone...well that is just a joke.

[RuberDuck]

What is worse is, invariably with people trying to save money, this is usually their first or early foray into satellite. The whole experience can be or is tainted.


I absolutely agree.



The Duo clone being a twin tuner machine based off an already value centered product was and remains a challenge. The proof of that is now also known to the Ferrari team, to clone a clone...well that is just a joke.

I could not have said that better my self

[gsmtech]

There's nothing special about the duo over a dm800se other than twin tuners. If there was such a product as a twin tuner dm800se or a dm7020hd clone I would much rather have one of these over a duo.
Now if the clone teams are producing and selling 800se clones at 140 and making profit a duo is not much more of a challenge, probably easier as the tuners are soldered directly to the board so they can be done by robot , they don't have to bother with sim cards etc. If SIM 2 team had decided to produce a duo clone you would have probably seen a higher quality product and a bit of a price war.

[dell_xps]

A percentage of the money you pay for an original duo goes towards a worthwhile charity :-), where does the cash go if you have bought a clone ?
Anyway as a Vu Fanboy, we are just going over the same old ground yet again, in life we have have lovers & haters :-)

[gsmtech]

A percentage of the money you pay for an original duo goes towards a worthwhile charity :-), where does the cash go if you have bought a clone ?
Anyway as a Vu Fanboy, we are just going over the same old ground yet again, in life we have have lovers & haters :-)

With the 100 quid you've saved by being a clone your free to donate to a charity of your choice.

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[ekkostar]

There's nothing special about the duo over a dm800se other than twin tuners. If there was such a product as a twin tuner dm800se or a dm7020hd clone I would much rather have one of these over a duo.
Now if the clone teams are producing and selling 800se clones at 140 and making profit a duo is not much more of a challenge, probably easier as the tuners are soldered directly to the board so they can be done by robot , they don't have to bother with sim cards etc. If SIM 2 team had decided to produce a duo clone you would have probably seen a higher quality product and a bit of a price war.

Both Dream and Vu are at the top of the tree. At present, to name but a few, I have in my set up 2 x Ultimos, 1x Duo, 2 x DM800, 1 x DM800HDSE. All originals with each having it's virtues and downsides. For me, the Duo edges it over the HDSE being a twin tuner, responsive, solid substantive machine. I still love the HDSE though and can see why many prefer that instead.

As I say the cloners have a little bit more leeway with the Dream machines as they can spend on the additional quality of components and recoup it all at the end. The Dream receivers have been cloned for longer than the VU's.

Recently I also acquired a used clone DM8000 (Ferrari) as I was intrigued to see what the quality was like. The machine did not work. I isolated the problem to grounding problems and poor assembly and managed to bring it back to life. It works with patched images and if I simply had a limited requriement from it, it would be adequate in some regards. However, it falls short in a number of areas, that a novice would not discover until later on.

The PSU used was actually not too dissimilar to the ones used in VU clones. Both are Ferrari PSU's. The Panasonic PSU board itself was of decent quality but the components used on it were fake. Caps that were rated were nowhere near those levels printed on them.

So for the OP or anyone considering another ?25. If truth be told you will probably be buying a PSU loaded with Caps rated at 105degs but will likely pop at anything remotely near 85 degs. If you do get it, stick a strong fan on the machine and keep it well ventilated.

In the pursuit of cutting costs the cloners have not only cloned the original machines, you've then got a sub-industry cloning right down to individual component levels.

It really is a joke.