800,000 UK jobs advertised in EU

[super jumbe]

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Press Association - Ukip leader Nigel Farage said he was 'astonished' British vacancies were being advertised abroad

More than 800,000 British jobs are being advertised to foreign workers across the European Union on a website funded by the European Commission.

The website EURES lists a total of more than 1.4 million vacancies across the EU, with the UK making up more than 50% of them.

Foreign jobseekers are also being offered up to ?900 to cover travelling costs to the UK for interviews, while UK employers can receive a ?1,000 bonus for taking on a non-British worker, the Telegraph reported.



http://uk.news.yahoo.com/800-000-uk-jobs-advertised-eu-052925332.html#Oi8eDeH

[super jumbe]

Ya but that for Polis not Brit.

What***8217;s the catch, when some of my neighbours out of work doing nothing all day catching flies.

[thered]

How is this possible?? all doleys say there are no jobs

[GastonJ]

I get about 4 phone calls a month offering me new jobs in the uk, and it's been around 10 years since I last dropped my cv anywhere serious. I did make the mistake of writing my cv online a couple of years back, ticking the "keep private", big mistake I was getting 5 calls a day ! I ended up changing the number online and feel sorry for the person who got the calls lol

There are jobs out there, but in my case at least, it's a specialised market. As for the doley's I doubt the jobs advertised are for labourers

[gmb45]

well if employers are offered 1000 tokens to take on none brit employee they not going to take on a british worker are they, an effin disgrace if all this is true imo

[thered]

well if employers are offered 1000 tokens to take on none brit employee they not going to take on a british worker are they, an effin disgrace if all this is true imo

As everything its a headline

and the jobs are advertised to british too

Now to be fair i think its ?870 grant from the European commision to take a foreigner and help them with english, which to most people running a business is **** all and not worth the hassle

Who would want the hassle of some immigrant who cant speak properley taking calls or talking to customers, they would lose you more money than ?870 its peanuts


Not saying that a few unscrupulous people do not exploit this and take a lot of them to get a lot of ?870's to clean blocked drains pick taties or similar but in general the foriegners who do come over do all the crap nobody in UK wants to do

Some industries will take foreigners as oppose to english brickies maybe one example, but as much as our UK lads will say they dont get a look in a lot of it revolves around work ethic and unfortunately we are not the grafters we once were

[gmb45]

if the pish poor so called minimum wage was a reasonable living there wouldnt be a need for migrant workers peeps would be fighting for jobs.

[GastonJ]

if the pish poor so called minimum wage was a reasonable living there wouldnt be a need for migrant workers peeps would be fighting for jobs.

It's not so much a minimum wage but more like taxpayers subsidising greedy companies who are more than happy to pay below a living wage and let the people working pick up the difference to pay tax credits to those they under pay. However that is **no** excuse to not take and have a job.

[super jumbe]

Its time we british took a stand against the government and told him where to go and get to grips with the eu and started to think more for british people, no wonder unemployment is so high.

What applicant is finally chosen is decided by those who advertised the job and not by the EU.

The EU provides the notice board and the employer places the advertisement, no guarantee for a permanent work, they will end up on dole and the tax payers will have to bill them. http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif

[GastonJ]

Its time we british took a stand against the government and told him where to go and get to grips with the eu and started to think more for british people, no wonder unemployment is so high.

What applicant is finally chosen is decided by those who advertised the job and not by the EU.

The EU provides the notice board and the employer places the advertisement, no guarantee for a permanent work, they will end up on dole and the tax payers will have to bill them. http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/banghead.gif

Except they're only advertised there because either:

1) People in the UK don't have the right skills or......
2) People don't want to apply for the jobs

The employer decides where they advertise, the government doesn't *tell* them where to advertise, it's f'k all to do with the government. Where the government do need to take action is on

1) Free or subsidised relevant training rather than a degree in David Beckham studies which is a waste of money
2) Living wage rather than making the rest of us pay t make up peoples wages.

Until Birtitsh workers are trained and there is a real wage then we'll continue to bring people in from outside who are trained and motivated.

[Snowy79]

Sadly the minimum wage has hit Ford with the Transit van manufacturing now being moved to Turkey as the wages are lower. Even up here in civilisation there's been a couple of the main biscuit makers shipping overseas for the same reason. The minimum wage is a good idea in theory, however it's too easy to manufacture overseas and just ship the stuff in that we need and as we've only a relatively small population we'd only be directly purchasing a fraction of the goods anyway so they won't lose out on customers either. Just look around at the ones moaning about a decent wage and how many foreign goods they own and why.

[Meat-Head]

Are these overseas workers fat?

[GastonJ]

To a certain extent I agree with you on that, however profits and wages don't always go hand in hand, you only have to look at the wages and bonuses paid to bankers to see that, or to the wages and bonuses of many directors on boards of companies that have lost money of late. I do object to my tax money going to help companies to pay people sh*t wages though. Perhaps it's about time companies and the wages they paid were looked at in line with the profit margins on the good they make/sell or whatever, maybe base the minimum wage on that somehow.

That would be the Ford that were saying the UK should not leave the EU? So they go to a country outside the EU? Would they be taking teh money that Dave promised them when investing in 'UK car manufacturing' a few weeks back? I hope the EU charges them f'king huge tariffs for importing into the EU :)

[gmb45]

lets put things into perspective, any one know the latest figures on how many peeps from uk are working abroad, and how many foreign workers are here in the uk ?

[GastonJ]

About 4.2 million from the UK work in other countries and about 3.7 million foreign workers work in the UK. These are taken from various pieces of information on the internet. However it does show that we're .5 million in the black, if the figures are to be trusted. It's difficult to obtain accurate information since most sites visited are biased against immigration for the usual uninformed reasons.

[gmb45]

if figures true we cant be calling migrant workers init

[GastonJ]

Aye, however that won't stop the :sheep: newspapers at all, they never let facts get in the way of a story, same for MP's. Make a wild quote and then distort the statistics when you get called. Employers are free to advertise their jobs anywhere, just that freedom of travel to work is one of the things which makes it easier for EU citizens to get the jobs without all the messy visa type stuff. What's really needed, as I've already written, is analysis of the skills gaps and real investment in training to fill those gaps - not training in stupid degrees and the like which do nothing. Until that happens skilled jobs, that can't be filled by people in the UK, will continue to be advertised elsewhere.

[Kalipo]

Gaston.

Your figures are all good in saying..

But if .1% of the 4.2 million British workers live and work in each member state that does not equate to the however much from all member states coming here..

We're getting far more..

**** the EU.. OUT OUT OUT OUT!!

[GastonJ]

It doesn't matter how many, if the British worker isn't trained then the job isn't available to them. If all 800,000 jobs were for doctors how many British people could even do the job, not 800,000 for sure. F'all point in getting a pointless degree which has no relevance to employment. Somewhere on DK I listed pointless courses that were being run and I bet those courses are still well attended as "an easy to get degree", which is no help in getting a skilled job, end of. Strategic planning by government is is needed to train people so they can apply for an get a job that pays money, that's what we're missing. For too long we've had governments who think training courses for 16 years olds is enough, it's not and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

[bobwill]

If you look at jobs advertised in uk all the ones I looked at where advertised not by the employers but by the
Department for Work and Pensions, Public Employment Services, United Kingdom
so it the dole office that is advertising the jobs to none UK workers while telling UK people that if you do not get a job
we will stop your benefits,

[GastonJ]

If you look at jobs advertised in uk all the ones I looked at where advertised not by the employers but by the
Department for Work and Pensions, Public Employment Services, United Kingdom
so it the dole office that is advertising the jobs to none UK workers while telling UK people that if you do not get a job
we will stop your benefits,


You mean the jobs advertised there said "No British citizens are allowed to apply"? I didn't realise that they were allowed to discriminate against people that way. Point me to the job that says that and I'll bang in a complaint under discrimination - I could do with some compensation money :)

[bobwill]

I did not write that uk workers can not apply I wrote that the dole were advertising the job to eu citizens as well as uk citizens
so please dont be one every day please have one day off

[Kalipo]

I give up argueing with gaston a long time ago.. he is pro EU.. lol

[GastonJ]

So what you're saying is that anyone can apply for the jobs from any country in the EU, if they are literate and can manage to read the adverts. :eek: the Telegraph consider that news. Do Telegraph readers even know the UK is in the EU as well, or are they just going to jump on the whinge bandwagon. Piss poor comic.

[Kalipo]

So what you're saying is that anyone can apply for the jobs from any country in the EU, if they are literate and can manage to read the adverts. :eek: the Telegraph consider that news. Do Telegraph readers even know the UK is in the EU as well, or are they just going to jump on the whinge bandwagon. Piss poor comic.


I dont think it really matters anymore.. TBH Gaston i think your pissing in the wind. When we get the vote on the EU we WILL be leaving the EU for good.... and i say WHEN.. because any party that doesnt offer a vote will be committing suicide.. the public want out..

Argue all you like bicker amongst yourself. I assure you with the current polls we WILL leave..

And it cant be tarnished in anyway because its not a party issue, its a national issue.. its what the public want!

[GastonJ]

And it cant be tarnished in anyway because its not a party issue, its a national issue.. its what the public want!

You asked them all then? Told them how much it would cost to leave and how much it would cost to stay? If your "It's what the public want" is the same as Dave's then seeing is believing.

[Kalipo]

You asked them all then? Told them how much it would cost to leave and how much it would cost to stay? If your "It's what the public want" is the same as Dave's then seeing is believing.


There has been countless polls.. your good at figures.. go figure!

The cost of leaving is like saying get rid of the queen.. and go for presidency.. which costs far more..

You wont sway me in anyway.. belittling those who want to leave seems to be the way of the pro EU nazis..

[GastonJ]

See that's your problem. I'm neither for nor against the EU. When I quote something it's usually backed up by facts and figures, not hearsay. So when we know for a fact that EU membership costs say ?8 billion then that cost is a known fact.

However what is unknown is the cost of companies moving to the EU so that they won't pay import tariffs into the EU and the job losses that may result, the cost to us of having to pay tariffs to export to the countries in the EU and so on if we leave. Without that figure being known then it's all just hot air and the opinion of those that have something to personally gain from leaving - not an unbiased opinion.

Any vote taken without the full cost etc is worthless and will be biased by those that will gain personally for money or whatever they think they'll get out of it.

Take the Scotland vote - the cost of staying in union is known *full stop* the cost to any part of the UK by so called independence is unknown, since each side has it's own lies to tell and gains to make. Independence means just that any country that wants it should pay for all their own services, post, pensions, social services, driver licensing, road tax, embassies, roads, hospitals, tax collection/offices, sea defence, stock exhange, central bank, printing it's own money, controlling it's own interest rates, it's own armed forces and defence, it's own border and customs control, immigration control, passport control the whole f'king lot. Anything short of that is a sham and is not an independent country.

So how much will that cost to setup and run - has Alex said, has he f'k he's hiding from the truth. As are UKIP and the millionaires who don't give a **** how much it costs Joe Public to leave the EU as long as they can line their pockets.

[TCBigsy31]

Except they're only advertised there because either:

1) People in the UK don't have the right skills or......
2) People don't want to apply for the jobs

The employer decides where they advertise, the government doesn't *tell* them where to advertise, it's f'k all to do with the government. Where the government do need to take action is on

1) Free or subsidised relevant training rather than a degree in David Beckham studies which is a waste of money
2) Living wage rather than making the rest of us pay t make up peoples wages.

Until Birtitsh workers are trained and there is a real wage then we'll continue to bring people in from outside who are trained and motivated.


Too right. But its not just that. EU subsidies for travel and paying the company to take them on is also coming out of our own pocket. The UK taxpayer gives money to the British government, the British government spend it on services and partially fund the EU.

[badapple]

I think it will be a big disaster for UK if we leave the EU.

Migrant workers ARE needed to fill the gaps that the UK workers just don't want to fill.
The jobs that are offered overseas ARE also offered in the UK but nobody from the UK wants them.
I think most UK people are ashamed to do lower end/unskilled jobs, like cleaning, shop workers, hospital porters, thats why they are fill with foreign workers.

I used to work for Arriva buses as a area assistant manager, few years back, we just could not get UK workers to apply for drivers jobs, even though there was a job centre just across the road and all cost & expenses of travelling & training was covered by us. almost every applicant was from a foreign migrant. The company was struggling to cope due to lack of drivers, so finally, they decided to "import" foreign bus drivers.

I now have a small business of my own with 52 staff, 47 are "foreigners." WHY??? just cannot get UK staff!, and if I did'nt employ foreigners then my business would have closed down long time ago.

Almost all of the UK manufacturing has been sold and/or moved abroad.
Every business needs to save money and make profit, be it in the UK or abroad and produce/sell their products "in profit" and of course line the pockets of the shareholders, and if you cannot get UK staff for your business, then one will have to look overseas as they CAN get overseas staff & pay a lower wage.

The UK has become a country of unskilled people. Lack of education, training, apprenticeship has cripples the UK.

And going by the above figures, 4.2 million peeps going out of UK & 3.7 million coming into UK, evens out really. It don't matter which EU country they are coming from as almost the same amount of UK workers are going to foreign countries for work.

On the one hand, UK workers don't want to do lower end/unskilled jobs & on the other hand they complain if foreign workers are hired!!!::thumpdown:

[cgscott]

Thing is if we change the way our benefits are handed out people wont be able to chose to sit on the dole. Force people into work i say.

Its already begun with the bedroom tax if we squeeze a little more then maybe people will decide working is a better option regardless of how unskilled the job may be.

That said EVERYONE is entitled to further education so there is absolutely nothing stopping people training to fill the more dskilled job sector.

[Meat-Head]

great but their is only so many shelfs to stack and so many potates to pick.

Badapple, your workers do you pay them minimum wage?
What about insuranse does it cost more for the imports? (Wanting to drive on the wrong side of the road)
Do you employ traslaters as well?