X6/V8 Key Code Cutting Machine

[estate]

anyone actually used one? seen bad reports about miracle a5 etc, so is this any better or worse? would like to cut keys from code but it's only a small part of the puzzle for me :)

[keygargoil]

I use blitz framon viper and delta fo with multi copy carriage as well and have a bravo for copying
Silva have released a cylinder carriage for the viper now so it does laser and cylinder keys it's a little heavy 60kg but does the job well


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[Badger-]

I know someone that has ordered one. I'll see if I can have a play with it when he gets it and let you know

[estate]

Great stuff Badger. Thank you.

[Fallen]

Bad reports on a5, you kidding me?
It's a beast!

[obdsystems]

A5 is great machine.

Sure few problems but nothing in comparison to the old days - it decodes :)

[rapidlocksmiths]

A5 is a good machine , it may have had teething issues but support based on what users say is excellent , if i hadnt already had a viper id have bought one

[Badger-]

Tony received his x6/v8 from onlyda today. Apparently he's cut an nsn14 and an hu66 so far and all working. I'll try and get over to have a look at it in the next few days and report back

[estate]

that would be great if you could!!!!

[a1locks]

I have been playing with X6 for the last two days.Does the same as the A5 but a lot cheaper to buy.The only fault so far is it will not decode VA2 or HU83 keys.Will cut them perfect if you input code but no decode .Have it working and running off laptop connected with USB cable.

[siyadk]

If it is not too much too ask, can you upload few videos as well

[estate]

only want it for code work not duplicating or decoding :)

[H.Wessel]

hi

@a1locks: what software the machine uses to connect to laptop?

thanks
H.W

[agabna]

Hello
thanks for reporting about what is working because i think it is very cheap key cutting machine to buy

so pls advice to buy our no

[912secured]

Bought A4 had to adjust depth (cut on through to the other side (doors rip off). Friend got A6 for 1200 when A8 came out same machine A8 does new gm HS 10 cut pin 1 2 and 9 10 same. I have spent quarter of a million on equipment now a A6 used 1200, accureaders and lishis and a clone silca ad someone to teach you you in the game doing ford and cryslers for 80 bucks. Untill you get one you can not read pin or get it. When there where 6 chrysler dodge jeep in50 miles radius no problem pin. Now 1 tough luck. Learn eeprom/micro thats all I have been getting lately and others screw ups. They pay alot better.

[armpower]

Hallo

X6 is very interesting machine.But there isn't any detailed information about it.
Which type of keys x6 can cut?
Only laser or other type of key?
I'm interested but i need some more information.

Many thanks

[king alie]

I have been playing with X6 for the last two days.Does the same as the A5 but a lot cheaper to buy.The only fault so far is it will not decode VA2 or HU83 keys.Will cut them perfect if you input code but no decode .Have it working and running off laptop connected with USB cable.

hello
from your word you had bought new x6
so pls tell us what type of software and keys
any other information from your test

thanks

[king alie]

Hallo

X6 is very interesting machine.But there isn't any detailed information about it.
Which type of keys x6 can cut?
Only laser or other type of key?
I'm interested but i need some more information.

Many thanks
hello
you are right no information we need video test

[gurmk]

Can anyone upload a Manual for it? Should be ale to tell what its capable of.

[armpower]

Hallo

I've done some "research" about X6.
And i've find this information via some sellers.
233529
233538

A small manual and some videos

Hope you will find useful

Greetings

Andrea

[obdmaster]

Hallo

I've done some "research" about X6.
And i've find this information via some sellers.
233529
233538

A small manual and some videos

Hope you will find useful

Greetings

Andrea

From the videos looks like an even slower copy of the already slow miracle A5 to me. lol

[king alie]

hello
I read some where it is a copy of miracle A5 they had made their own A5
and the owner of the miracle co begin to talk loudley about they had stolen 5 years of work 60,000 lines of code also
so it is Chinese copy of miracle A5

[Automat]

From the videos looks like an even slower copy of the already slow miracle A5 to me. lol

Where are video of X6?

[armpower]

download x6.txt , inside there is a rapid link to download the two videos.

bye

[paul_12345]

Where are video of X6?

quite a few on youtube

[912secured]

It seems to be a copy of another companies machine but made dirt cheap (silca old one but still 10k) add a cheap battery pack to the back and some bad hex editing. I feel bad for silca they stopped tko,sbb updates just because of theives. The cloners modded the machine so I think silca can not eved get the pass word to block updatable kills by serials. But their clones of clones for 150 already a shame. Genericode newest runs one companies machine via driver, need to find and get board that is compatable and throw on my cnc and see how it works.

[king alie]

It seems to be a copy of another companies machine but made dirt cheap (silca old one but still 10k) add a cheap battery pack to the back and some bad hex editing. I feel bad for silca they stopped tko,sbb updates just because of theives. The cloners modded the machine so I think silca can not eved get the pass word to block updatable kills by serials. But their clones of clones for 150 already a shame. Genericode newest runs one companies machine via driver, need to find and get board that is compatable and throw on my cnc and see how it works.

hello

it is copy of miracle A5 not silca

some people are saying A5 it is not good machine
but all we know silca have very good equipment

[dmp]

not sure if this is the video in the link (wouldn't work for me) but here it is on youtube: Onlyda X6 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHWSeJCaKyE)

[estate]

the point of this thread was to try and find out if it was with $1400, and the fact i do 5-6 eeprom jobs per week and currently get my keys cut by someone local, this answers my question that it IS worth $1400.......... if it doesn't work, i'll put it on gumtree :D

[912secured]

Think A5 code is 100 percent not ripped???????????

[obdsystems]

Hello
thanks for reporting about what is working because i think it is very cheap key cutting machine to buy

so pls advice to buy our no

I've just read the X6 is a rip off of the A5.
Ok it might be cheap machine but I've paid approx ?5000 for my kit.

Trouble is this X6 clone allows everybody to become a locksmith
- before you know it the next door neighbour will be cutting keys and laughing at you :)

[ruwi]

I'm going to buy one of these. I have tried to get the Miracle A5, the A9, the 3D Pro, etc, etc, etc... I keep getting fobbed off by the distributors, so sod em. I've been reading other forums and all their comments about the X6 (all crying about the stolen design of the A5), I tried to go legit, they made it tough for me to advance myself, stolen code or not, I'm done waiting! Thank whatever is out there for the Chinese, at least I can run my business because the Chinese WILL ALWAYS SUPPLY!

[obdsystems]

why would the distributors fob you off ???

You can buy them on-line. As i said - too cheap and everybody will be cutting keys lols

[rapidlocksmiths]

why would the distributors fob you off ???

You can buy them on-line. As i said - too cheap and everybody will be cutting keys lols

talking with someone in know , it is an old copy of software and firmware , bugs from this version long since fixed and from what im told wont do sx9 and a few others , id guess it also has the hu66 issues without adaptor .

this said theres no doubt that it will do alot of keys for its price and i guess many will buy , lets hope for their sake when it breaks or plays up they can get it repaired and some form of support and back up.

steve , get with the times mate , training companies training new starts every week , many other businesses adding car keys as a sideline now , many using all clone kits and prices tumbling on bread and butter stuff , this is only going to get worse mate until no one makes a full time living at it anymore , sign of times im afraid .

[obdsystems]

steve , get with the times mate , training companies training new starts every week , many other businesses adding car keys as a sideline now , many using all clone kits and prices tumbling on bread and butter stuff , this is only going to get worse mate until no one makes a full time living at it anymore , sign of times im afraid .

Yes indeed. I'll keep to a few clever people I know on forum and hopefully can help each other out.
As for people buying kit like this - just daft.

Still Pinky, I've not done badly this year. My prices are pretty competitive.

Cost of living won't mean prices get too daft :)

[ruwi]

why would the distributors fob you off ???

You can buy them on-line. As i said - too cheap and everybody will be cutting keys lols

I was talking to LockDecoders before I moved to Southern Africa, they told me that I have to buy from their distributors, when I wanted to order from the distributors, I was told that they were having issues with their supplier (LockDecoders), now i'm fed up with all the bull I've been fed by them. The distributors were trying to sell me the Bianchi, and it's not what I wanted!

I agree that it's simple to buy online, in the UK that's very true, try living in Africa where a debit card can't be used for online purchases. I was having a meeting with my business banker today, she was telling me that they will be introducing chip and pin next year (its funny, I know). We also have this thing called "African time", so if someone says 10 minutes, they mean an hour.... Do the sums on that and you will very quickly realise that holding your breath is pointless...

[drivesure]

i live in south africa... - bought an a5 and paid by debit card for it....surely you dont still walk with the lions in your neighbourhood. if our country adopted you, surely breaking it down to justify your reason for buying an x6 is a travesty. it is a shame you suffer so much in this beautiful place. hope you can see past your petty remarks so you can enjoy this country and its cultures....

[ruwi]

i live in south africa... - bought an a5 and paid by debit card for it....surely you dont still walk with the lions in your neighbourhood. if our country adopted you, surely breaking it down to justify your reason for buying an x6 is a travesty. it is a shame you suffer so much in this beautiful place. hope you can see past your petty remarks so you can enjoy this country and its cultures....

Funny thing is.... I don't live in South Africa. I said Southern Africa, that could be any number of countries. Anyways, please share where you bought your machine, maybe I can buy from them too. Here we have Nedbank, FNB and Standard Bank, I can't get a card from any of these that will allow me to shop online. Finally, I'm not a migrant and I appreciate the other things, but here were talking about getting a key cutting machine, not the landscape or the animals.

Cheers!

[paul_12345]

Funny thing is.... I don't live in South Africa. I said Southern Africa, that could be any number of countries. Anyways, please share where you bought your machine, maybe I can buy from them too. Here we have Nedbank, FNB and Standard Bank, I can't get a card from any of these that will allow me to shop online. Finally, I'm not a migrant and I appreciate the other things, but here were talking about getting a key cutting machine, not the landscape or the animals.

Cheers!

the Chinese also sell original key cutters so why not just buy an original from China?

[obdsystems]

Funny thing is.... I don't live in South Africa. I said Southern Africa,


But it would be interesting to hear about your country :)

I've got a vision of pot holes and dirt tracks. But in-fact some areas are good - then some you'd need a gun i would of thought.

Lols just like UK :cobblers:

Anyway, I wonder if the A5 will get any more updates now its successor A6 is out. Just a little pissed off

Seems to have origin problems on switching to laser keys - the more i use the more will find out but when decodes slightly wrong, i almost pop'ed my paints lols.

You will find this should think with the clone. Annoying.

[estate]

but for ?900 it's no travesty, but ?3500 for a now obsolete a5, i'd be fuming!!!!!!

[obdsystems]

Well A5 isn't obsolete - but little pee'd.

More pissed off somebody could buy an A5 clone. As I said guys, everybody will be cutting keys if things get too cheap.

[estate]

eeprom is where the money is, there's no voodoo in the actual key cutting i think...........

[rapidlocksmiths]

eeprom used to be where the money was , now most can do this and as usual prices have tumbled , i lost a job last week to a competitor who eepromed an x5 for ?60 , theres a few here that will do a punto key for ?60 to ?80 , the part timers and the beer money boys are also learning eeprom all be it basics , they then post their dumps on many forums and others do the work for them and post revised dumps for them to write back , some areas of eeprom work still pay but much now does not.

steve why should key cutting be any different to programming , lock picks etc , all have been cloned and cheapened , how do you think investors in original ad100 felt when t300 clone came along , key cutting is just the final piece of the clone jigsaw.
im glad i invested when i did and everything has paid back , id hate to be starting out again now , ive seen the difference 5 years has made , id hate to imagine what will be the case in 5 years time.

we adapt and we find niches for now , the most profitibable side of this industry these days is wholesale training and online resellers selling the dream to the masses and some combining all 3 , we have a dry cleaners that do key cutting and clone keys , we have used car dealers offering car keys , we have a van hire company offering car keys , this is fast becomming an add on line rather than a sole business these days .

it used to cost a mortgage to set up , now with an x6 and clone m8 programmer a new start can be up and running for under 5k .

its not all doom and gloom as good earning areas still exist , but spare keys , and easy bread and butter jobs these days , are often not worth competing for .

the only wealthy auto lockies these days are those retiring having had the good times.

[estate]

is this x6 a cloned a4 do we think?

[obdsystems]

is this x6 a cloned a4 do we think?

Hope it is and not an A5. With tax and tibbe mine cost ? 5K .
I just want it too be fair and anybody else who wants to cut keys be on same playing field - but then life isn't fair !!

I think Pinky and estate are both right - depends where you live and when you started-up. My prices are pretty low but if i started 5 or 10 years ago I'd be a little annoyed at the increased competition.

I have an old fart in next town (who should F'in retire lols) who charges ?60 even if can't do job - and a half decent Ex-AA in another nearby town.
Then a electronics guy in nearby city who's taken renault jobs. But thats it. Think thier scared of me - not other way round !!

Non can do eeprom -and old lockies only use thier beloved AD100pro. So I've got no worries.
However, i'd hate to live where u do Pinky. Feel for you man !! You are highly skilled - maybe best in UK !!

[estate]

i originally tried to dip my toe in the water about 5=6 years ago, the costs were massive, 13 song picks only original, viper was new, mvp was pretty much the only programmer, i think even sbb was genuine back then!!!! i have a slightly different need to most, the work i do is for my own cars, i buy key-less cars, so every job i do nets me ????, and the need for genuine tools is far less as it's more about the challenge for me, and if i can't do it, i let the car go for a profit regardless. I pity those that do this for a living. Me buying an x6 means that the first car i use it on will buy the machine, so i can't loose. I'm not sure i'd want to try and compete with professionals. That to me wouldn't be fair.

[sparkz02]

Markets change all the time, in 5 years time, cars change too, if the professional companies manage to protect their equipment from clones, then were back to the same playing field. Pay big money for future development, charge big money for newer cars, if the professional companies don't protect their investments, we purchase clones for future development, spend less money on the tools = take less money for the job, markets change, playing fields change, works out in the end.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i remember when peter southern first released 13 song tools in uk via keyprint , blind touch picks were ?125 each and decoders ?250 each , thats just 5 to 6 years ago , now a blind touch is ?10 and a 2in1 or decoder from ?20 .

10 years ago , lost keys on a ford mondeo to supply 2 standard keys was ?150 , today same job is as low as ?70 in some areas.

but jobs took longer back then , all jobs involved removing and stripping locks , and cutting was often more complex to code , so job times took longer .

back in those days there were fewer auto locksmiths , so simpler bread and butter jobs were more plentifull , it was these bread and butter jobs that gave an auto locksmith the funds to invest in new equipment and high end kit for the not so common jobs .

the flood of clones , cheaper kit etc has increased the number of people offering these services 10 fold , also the jobs have been simplified by good kit to non specialist work , so prices have tumbled , new starts and lockies no longer take in enough bread and butter to invest in future markets , and things die out slowly .

as i said earlier , id hate to be setting up now and starting out .

x6 is a copy of x5 , sadly you have to accept and live with it mate , the knock off nigel industry is not going away as too lucrative , new starts will be able to set up with clones for less than you paid for your machine , prices will drop as they have less payback than you , you will be starved of simple bread and butter jobs to invest in future , and things change .

not even our suppliers support us , they will sell to anyone , even train them , as this is a bigger market than ours to exploit , far more profitable , and there will always be clones and those that support clones.

so the clever adapt and change their models to stay ahead , the rest compete for the ?30 spare key market.

ive seen many these days that used to slate clones , now using them , some wont admit it , but many have them and use them , not just new guys .

the clones are getting better and more reliable , the job is getting quicker and simpler so profit drops , dealers even lowing prices , renault in some areas are ?120 for key cards and ?180 for 2 .

as things change and more manufacturers move to online , only those with deep enough pockets will be able to reinvest and niches exist again .

its not a dead market but is a very different market at present .

[siyadk]

just a small advice: I just have seen chinese CONDOR automatic machine working and played with it in my friends shop.. It seems pretty solid and my friend is quite happy with it. he has got just two weeks ago

If anyone consider buying chinese automatic key machine, it would be better to invest in CONDOR, i guess. I know there is almost half the difference but atleast i know CONDOR works really well

By the way, i havent seen or played with X6 yet!!

[estate]

it's a lot more money..............

[rapidlocksmiths]

it's a lot more money..............

it looks alot more machine for the money , far more robust and heavy duty looking , i see it has copied the silca viper jaws from the photo .

even in china you get what you pay for , it looks far more robust than x6 and far more machine for money , if even halfway as well built as silca it will be good kit , lets hope its naff .

[sparkz02]

The big issue would any of these would be repair, if it goes wrong, shipping back to china and back again, can't be cheap.

[siyadk]

Exactly...I agree with sparkz unless there are spare parts readily available or sold by sellers

[obdmaster]

The big issue would any of these would be repair, if it goes wrong, shipping back to china and back again, can't be cheap.

I too agree, where you buy such consumable parts like cutters, decoders from. Its all very well having the machine but with key cutting machines you also need backup. to supply consumable parts and spare parts..

[totalkey]

come on peapols mircle 1 year ago use unable to cut keys and was needed to change mother board 5 times and wait sometimes few months till it fixed,

[siyadk]

Just saw software updation on Condor machine. Wondering whether x6 has such facility...

[agabna]

Hello
i think x6 is a kind of joke because only one video for it

but condor machine more than 6 videos

and all the information for condor is avilable

i think 2800 $ is better than lost of 1400$ In x6

[Automat]

Still waiting for brave soul to test one, after results we can make honest comments.

[paul_12345]

Hello
i think x6 is a kind of joke because only one video for it

but condor machine more than 6 videos

and all the information for condor is avilable

i think 2800 $ is better than lost of 1400$ In x6

well your not the best searching for vids then as this one user has more than 6 videos for the condor
locksvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/locksvideo/videos)

[agabna]

Hello
yes but also chinese co how sell both condor and x6 in the section of video just have viedeos for condor

they have to show you both if they think they are same if x6 is goood equipment

[agabna]

Still waiting for brave soul to test one, after results we can make honest comments.

Hello
For me i think condor is the best
first noimmo co sell good equipmet
easy for working
more detail you can read
the software is good and can be updated
but the price is high

[king alie]

well your not the best searching for vids then as this one user has more than 6 videos for the condor
locksvideo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/locksvideo/videos)
hello

all these videos is for condor machine

only one video for x6

so you mean 6 for condor and only one for x6

[siyadk]

hello

all these videos is for condor machine

only one video for x6

so you mean 6 for condor and only one for x6

Funny way to put it...

[paul_12345]

hello

all these videos is for condor machine

only one video for x6

so you mean 6 for condor and only one for x6

the point being there is more than six from one user on x6 so probably more videos for both condor and x6 if you search better, I've got a miracle a9 so not really bothered about looking for videos for them.

but 1400 USD compared to the originals is throw away money, so what even if it doesn't work on half the cars still saves you time/money on the ones it does if you haven't anything else that cuts to code

[siyadk]

Paul...how do u rate miracle A9..I was about to buy it when I heard the news of condor n x6

How much did it cost u?

[paul_12345]

Paul...how do u rate miracle A9..I was about to buy it when I heard the news of condor n x6

How much did it cost u?

Good but I might of been tempted to get the condor if it was out when I got the A9, still might get a cheap Chinese one to use on keys with low value that dont matter if it cuts it wrong to save wear and tear on the A9 and also act as a backup should the A9 fail

[estate]

for ?900 the x6 will do me enough work in the first week to cover it's cost...........

[agabna]

for ?900 the x6 will do me enough work in the first week to cover it's cost...........

hello
so buy x6 and use it for two month buy 994 is better than all

[estate]

hello
so buy x6 and use it for two month buy 994 is better than all

No, i'll buy the x6, use it for a few months, buy a Condor with the money, carry on using the x6 alongside the Condor, save more money and not work so hard ;), the more you spend on equipment, the harder you have to work. Been there, done that..........

[wd bau]

hello

the price of condor and x6 is good . but if we consider the spare parts and quality of these machine , here will be the risk ,also the shipp over seas will cost a lot...

[obdmaster]

On greebid and uobd2.net to ship to uk condor is nearly ?400 shipping yikes.

[agabna]

the point being there is more than six from one user on x6 so probably more videos for both condor and x6 if you search better, I've got a miracle a9 so not really bothered about looking for videos for them.

but 1400 USD compared to the originals is throw away money, so what even if it doesn't work on half the cars still saves you time/money on the ones it does if you haven't anything else that cuts to code
Hello
if you have A9 no need to search for chinese key cutting code
these machines price is less than 3000 $ it is not for rich locksmith
we search for chinese machines to work like silca
in the past clone ad100 work same like ad100
so it is new time for locksmith to dream for chinese key code cutting machine working like silca
the idea is x6 a good machine our no
no one like to loses his money with that chinese toy

[agabna]

No, i'll buy the x6, use it for a few months, buy a Condor with the money, carry on using the x6 alongside the Condor, save more money and not work so hard ;), the more you spend on equipment, the harder you have to work. Been there, done that..........
Hello
you are 100% right because if you spend 9000$ one 994 you have to work hard to get it back but for 1400$ it is easy to get your money back that is good and new theory
but i am talking about if you got the money for orignal equipment never try to buy the chinese toy
every time i got orignal equimpnet i work 100% perfect but with the chinese toys you ll not be sure if it can work our no

[paul_12345]

Hello
if you have A9 no need to search for chinese key cutting code
these machines price is less than 3000 $ it is not for rich locksmith
we search for chinese machines to work like silca
in the past clone ad100 work same like ad100
so it is new time for locksmith to dream for chinese key code cutting machine working like silca
the idea is x6 a good machine our no
no one like to loses his money with that chinese toy

You dont have to be rich to buy an original, I'm sure theres many new starts spending their own savings or getting loans to buy equipment

Also no one likes loosing money but why do you expect others to risk loosing money to tell you about it

[agabna]

Hello
and if it stop you need other 400? our 800? to repair it
and all the cost for the machine is 900?
but i think if we are in china we can buy it
x6 machine is for their own market not more

[agabna]

You dont have to be rich to buy an original, I'm sure theres many new starts spending their own savings or getting loans to buy equipment

Also no one likes loosing money but why do you expect others to risk loosing money to tell you about it
Hello
for me i have bad time with Chinese clone in the past
ak400= 2400+ nec =750 ak500= 2500
until i bought mb key prog with =3000?

but some times you ll fined good people can quid you to the right equipment with less money
these people are here in these forum
also some good Chinese co can tell you the true about their products if it is good our no
but for x6 our condor no one like to tell the truth if they are good our no

so i ll be just waiting to spend my money our keep it for 994 which i know it is best than miracle

[estate]

agabna, for me personally it's not about the money itself, it's about profit, i have been in the motortrade for 20 years and have spent big money on things and had to work hard to pay back the cost of the machine and return a profit, but if i can get a tool that will give me a quick return and profit then i will always try that route first. If i have to spend a lot of money i will ( i have over 100 used cars in stock and also a ?35k per year "day job" ), and all the cars i buy are with no keys, and i have a few select chinese clones and get on very well with them. Can i do every car? no. Do i need to, to make a profit? no. I sympathise with anyone who has to invest a lot of money into hardware/tools to earn a living. I think there are a lot of "locksmiths" on here who will try and convince us they use genuine tools when in reality they use a large percentage of clone tools........ I believe the top Locksmiths do not use DK to gain knowledge on clone products as most of us on here do. |There is no shame in making a profit.........Quickly. I am not a charity :)

[estate]

on aliexpress the x6 is ?900 shipped to the uk 5-7 days...........

[agabna]

agabna, for me personally it's not about the money itself, it's about profit, i have been in the motortrade for 20 years and have spent big money on things and had to work hard to pay back the cost of the machine and return a profit, but if i can get a tool that will give me a quick return and profit then i will always try that route first. If i have to spend a lot of money i will ( i have over 100 used cars in stock and also a ?35k per year "day job" ), and all the cars i buy are with no keys, and i have a few select chinese clones and get on very well with them. Can i do every car? no. Do i need to, to make a profit? no. I sympathise with anyone who has to invest a lot of money into hardware/tools to earn a living. I think there are a lot of "locksmiths" on here who will try and convince us they use genuine tools when in reality they use a large percentage of clone tools........ I believe the top Locksmiths do not use DK to gain knowledge on clone products as most of us on here do. |There is no shame in making a profit.........Quickly. I am not a charity :)

hello
i am with you 100% i need the at the end the result the profit will come later on

for me i am not a locksmith but some times i need a key at the moment to program the car i have to waite some times two days for the key to switch the igntion on just

so if the chinese coding key can work it ll help me on my main work
i have more than hunderd chinese clone and they are working 100% like orignal not shame to use it if it can do the work
i am waitting for the result which is the best bettwen new machine (x6 our condor ) no need for the speed just which one can do the work

[estate]

going to get christmas out of the way and enjoy it, then i think i've made my mind up that i will buy an X6 and a few spares at the same time :D

[siyadk]

Do the Chinese seller sell spare parts as well for this machine?

[estate]

will find out............

[obdmaster]

Do the Chinese seller sell spare parts as well for this machine?

Wander if decoder, cutter and belts are same as A5???

[estate]

it comes with 2 spare belts and spare cutters and plotters.

[obdmaster]

it comes with 2 spare belts and spare cutters and plotters.

If its anything like A5 m8, you will need more than 2 decoders in the first 6 months , as theyre made out of very brittle metal and Have a tendacy sometimes to break when decoding a key.

[king alie]

hello
no problem I think in the decoder it easy to find new one our made your own , the problem will be if the motor is not good
and the direction is not like the common motor in the market because I had never read any information about it

[estate]

i personally will not use this for decoding work, only cutting from code. I will use duplicating/milling machine to copy, it should prolong the life of the x6...........

[sparkz02]

Well got a mircale a5 over a year ago, (it had old software early 2012) which I wasn't aware of & trust me as a starter I kept thinking I have a good machine, it has to be me, but there was soo much stuff that didn't work. Struggled for ages to cut keys sometimes. So if this is an old clone of the A5. Oooo expect some headaches. Now with the newer software things have settled abit. If you want a cheap cut to code your better of with a chacka bay(come up for cheap second hand), had that an old software version of mircale, I can truely say its a bit slow but miracle has some catching up to do. (I know people mock the chacka bay, trust me its not bad, its slow but it WORKS).

[Automat]

Any brave soul buy this X6 yet? We wait for review......

[agabna]

Any brave soul buy this X6 yet? We wait for review......
Hello
if it going like these no news about x6 it is bad machine because more than one month and nothing we got

so if we wait to the new year i think the chinese well built new key code cutting machine

so save the 900? to the new year

[agabna]

i personally will not use this for decoding work, only cutting from code. I will use duplicating/milling machine to copy, it should prolong the life of the x6...........
Hello
i agree with you it better to use it for cutting from code
for normal duplication you can buy good machine and cheaper not more than 400$
but the problem you ll need more space
for peoble they are using van the space is problem

[kazikk]

I have bought X6 week ago, have test few keys and Machine looks good,
have rechargeable battery inside so you can use it without power
Menu is exactly same as Miracle A5.
i have made movie :
X6 Frezarka do kluczy - Automatic key cutting machine - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FRYC2OFXx0)

speed was set to very slow because i have use china HU66 blade so key cut take a long time

[estate]

looks very good for the money it costs...........

[paul_12345]

I have bought X6 week ago, have test few keys and Machine looks good,
have rechargeable battery inside so you can use it without power
Menu is exactly same as Miracle A5.
i have made movie :
X6 Frezarka do kluczy - Automatic key cutting machine - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FRYC2OFXx0)

speed was set to very slow because i have use china HU66 blade so key cut take a long time

more enjoyable watching paint dry, do all laser keys need two passes each side?

Also the second pass looks like it cuts no where near flush with the first pass??

[securipro38]

I have bought X6 week ago, have test few keys and Machine looks good,
have rechargeable battery inside so you can use it without power
Menu is exactly same as Miracle A5.
i have made movie :
X6 Frezarka do kluczy - Automatic key cutting machine - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FRYC2OFXx0)

speed was set to very slow because i have use china HU66 blade so key cut take a long time

Hi can you tell me if it can cut va2 key from code?
Can you type these code an tell me what your cutting machine says please?
QH7376 or 6737HQ
Can you also tell me if the machine is recognised by instacode pc software please?
Thanks

[siyadk]

does x6 or v8 has instacode incorporated in it like condor xc007

[totalkey]

I have bought X6 week ago, have test few keys and Machine looks good,
have rechargeable battery inside so you can use it without power
Menu is exactly same as Miracle A5.
i have made movie :
X6 Frezarka do kluczy - Automatic key cutting machine - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FRYC2OFXx0)

speed was set to very slow because i have use china HU66 blade so key cut take a long time

i see in your youtube the a6 a3 remote kit
can you share where i can buy this?

[ninja123]

Hope it is and not an A5. With tax and tibbe mine cost ? 5K .
I just want it too be fair and anybody else who wants to cut keys be on same playing field - but then life isn't fair !!

I think Pinky and estate are both right - depends where you live and when you started-up. My prices are pretty low but if i started 5 or 10 years ago I'd be a little annoyed at the increased competition.

I have an old fart in next town (who should F'in retire lols) who charges ?60 even if can't do job - and a half decent Ex-AA in another nearby town.
Then a electronics guy in nearby city who's taken renault jobs. But thats it. Think thier scared of me - not other way round !!

Non can do eeprom -and old lockies only use thier beloved AD100pro. So I've got no worries.
However, i'd hate to live where u do Pinky. Feel for you man !! You are highly skilled - maybe best in UK !!

Lol!! So, what area do you operate from?

ninja

[z786]

ninja hes onto you!! run

[ninja123]

Not scared of anyone, be it business or otherwise :)

All customers are fair game, you cant make someone spend money with you, but what you can do is a good job, Ive not advertised now since october and my phone dont stop, mega busy 7 days a week, loads of 'word of mouth' recommendations too, and most of the time, I dont have to compete with anyone else's prices as my customers just want me - thats one customer base that no one will get from me !!

Also, it would be nice to know who has been on courses or self learned, and who comes from lock or motor trade backgrounds, then we can compare capabilities.

ps - post your location (if you dare!)

ninja

[Phase 4 autokey]

Any new test results to post folks?

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive had a play with one of these x6 machines , if you want a nice looking key and if you dont want to go through cutters , then set on slowest speed , its very jerky in use and it doesnt like hard alloys at all .

It is a rip off of the A5 software but isnt as good as the a5 at cutting .

in answer to a few questions above , no it wont decode the va2/va6 key with the 1234q5678h series , its a copy of a5 complete with many of the bugs a5 had in early days .

if run of the mill keys and not in a hurry , then if not expecting to cut many keys a week it will get you by , looking at build quality its not a long term machine , the motor is poor quality as is the gearing .

now if the motor was improved , if the operation was smoother , and the build quality improved it could be an ok starter machine , but as it is it really is going to be the case of buy cheap buy twice , even the chacka bay is a better machine.

condor on the other hand is worlds apart , in comparison its 100 times the machine and cuts a very nice key , is well built and is robust , its quick and accurate and if you put the 2 side by side its like a robin reliant with no fuel next to a ferrari.

its the price it is for a reason guys , having played with one for 3 months id not reccomend the x6 , i would however reccomend the condor .

[dam495]

news about x6??????????????????????????????????????????

[laylairizarry1987]

A friend suggest me download V8 video from here: Automated V8/X6 key cutting machine Free Download - ChinaAutoDiag.com (http://www.chinaautodiag.com/html/automated-v8-x6-key-cutting-machine-free-download-6483.html)

[gurmk]

Got X6 and cut a tibbe key with the adaptor with very good results.
Tracers for $10.00 AliExpress
Cutters for $15.00 AliExpress

[didi_du_93000]

Got X6 and cut a tibbe key with the adaptor with very good results.
Tracers for $10.00 AliExpress
Cutters for $15.00 AliExpress

Hello, full working even with VAG key

Envoy? de mon D6503 en utilisant Tapatalk

[obdsystems]

Got X6 and cut a tibbe key with the adaptor with very good results.
Tracers for $10.00 AliExpress
Cutters for $15.00 AliExpress


Will these tracers and cutters work with original A5 guys ????

PS. One place wants to charge me $150 for shipping lol

[obdsystems]

Not scared of anyone, be it business or otherwise :)

All customers are fair game, you cant make someone spend money with you, but what you can do is a good job, Ive not advertised now since october and my phone dont stop, mega busy 7 days a week, loads of 'word of mouth' recommendations too, and most of the time, I dont have to compete with anyone else's prices as my customers just want me - thats one customer base that no one will get from me !!

Also, it would be nice to know who has been on courses or self learned, and who comes from lock or motor trade backgrounds, then we can compare capabilities.

ps - post your location (if you dare!)

ninja

Me nether - Wiltshire, UK - but then you know that since you posted that ecu cheers
We are the best in our area - nobody is better :) force stop!!!

'estate' is nearest me but he can keep Bristol's traffic lol

[gurmk]

As far as I know, the A5 has a grub screw but the X6 has a quick release slide catch, but the stem size is the same 6mm and you can get them from AliExpress

Automatic V8/X6 key duplicating machines accessories 2.0mm carbide cutter and 1.0mm HSS tracer for car key cuttig by China Mail-in Locksmith Supplies from Home Improvement on Aliexpress.com (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Automatic-V8-X6-key-duplicating-machines-accessories-2-0mm-carbide-cutter-and-1-0mm-HSS-tracer/1715891331.html)

At this price its worth checking it out.

Any one tried cutting an Audi A4 2005 key with extra cut on it?

[paul_12345]

Will these tracers and cutters work with original A5 guys ????

PS. One place wants to charge me $150 for shipping lol

I was told they are interchangeable, and they are the same sizes so should be fine

[borjapoo]

i have one and works fine with all keys that i do it, i use with pc, with codemaster software , if someone like I'll post it in the forum

[didi_du_93000]

i have one and works fine with all keys that i do it, i use with pc, with codemaster software , if someone like I'll post it in the forum

Sorry but a from a user with less than 10 post Is not message like god.
Maybe you are chines reseller...

Regards With Tapatalk

[autofan1965]

As far as I know, the A5 has a grub screw but the X6 has a quick release slide catch, but the stem size is the same 6mm and you can get them from AliExpress

Automatic V8/X6 key duplicating machines accessories 2.0mm carbide cutter and 1.0mm HSS tracer for car key cuttig by China Mail-in Locksmith Supplies from Home Improvement on Aliexpress.com (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Automatic-V8-X6-key-duplicating-machines-accessories-2-0mm-carbide-cutter-and-1-0mm-HSS-tracer/1715891331.html)

At this price its worth checking it out.

Any one tried cutting an Audi A4 2005 key with extra cut on it?


A4 2005 dont need extra cut. Extra cut is needed only when blade from key go into electronic ignition. (A6 C6, Touareg, A8, Phateon, Cayenne, Q7).

[obdsystems]

A4 2005 dont need extra cut. Extra cut is needed only when blade from key go into electronic ignition. (A6 C6, Touareg, A8, Phateon, Cayenne, Q7).

Your very right :)

How you lot cope with a A5 clone ?? I have enough trouble with my original. Now a Renault emergency blade - its either 1) worn cutter 2) crappy chinese blade 3) A5 crappy software.

to tell truth i havent done many renaults (yet) and A5 has done me well

[estate]

looking for a very cheap machine for a " job " only need it to cut tibbe, hu66 and ne72/73, will the x6/v8 do that?

[obdsystems]

looking for a very cheap machine for a " job " only need it to cut tibbe, hu66 and ne72/73, will the x6/v8 do that?

Come on estate its time you flash that money lol

Mind you even for A5 they wanted ?200-?300 for tibbe adaptor so must want extra for chinese x6 kit

[paul_12345]

Come on estate its time you flash that money lol

Mind you even for A5 they wanted ?200-?300 for tibbe adaptor so must want extra for chinese x6 kit

or buy the 30 USD clone version that was made for the x6

[obdsystems]

or buy the 30 USD clone version that was made for the x6

yes i think original parts should drop in price. afterall its only a lump of metal

silly prices :)

[techterr]

I have the Miracle A9, and love it... Bought the X6 because I was curious.. I have used it on HU66 and a few ford keys... It is slow, slow, slow... The battery seems to last pretty good. I have tried the software from the A5 and also got a new driver from the seller, HKlock, but I have yet to be able to interface a computer with the X6. If you read the readme included with the newest driver, it talks about how some clones won't work with the driver... If all you are doing is making a couple of sidecut keys a week, this wouldn't be bad, but as a starter machine I would say to try something else.. Maybe the Condor.. This is just my opinion, that and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee...
Take care,
Tim
PS, mine was $1,699.00 shipped to the USA

[rapidlocksmiths]

It seems that the X6 makers have been busy , from what ive been told they are about to release an updated x6 machine that uses their own firmware so not a copy , though i guess in reality it means they have changed some lines of programming , made a few tweaks making it enough in china to no longer be a classed as copy , but they are rumoured to have made other improvements.

i had a look at x6 , it was very laboured , you had to use slowest setting on some keys or it just killed cutters as very jerky , the power supply was poor but easily replaced , but it worked , for a very light use machine you may do well with it , but a short term light use machine at best . Condor is a far better option , a much more robust machine and alot more machine for the money .

OBDsystems , we would all like original kit to be cheaper , i dont agree that its just a lump of metal , someone has designed it , tooled it and manufactured it investing their time , knowledge and money in doing so , they deserve a pay back for this , with clones appearing cheap quickly , i can see original kit going up in price rather than comming down in price , as this will be the only way a developer can recoup their investment before its copied and cloned , once developers no longer recoup their costs , there will be no more development , then we have nothing , no original and no clone.

The locksmith and motor industries has always moaned about the cost of genuine parts and equipment , no industry more so , yet they can always defend and justify their own prices and margins , i remember having a discussion with a lockie who thought ?80 at the time was far too expensive for a pick , yet he used that tool 6 times a week on average and charged a minimum of ?70 a time , despite the pick earning him a fortune and a living , it was too dear .

im getting old as i still remember when tools and products were made to last a lifetime , the demand for cheap has made us a world of tat with very few true craftsmen left , true tradesmen have become a minority to the 1 week wonders and trades are dissapearing sadly . i remember when mechanics used to tune by ear , diagnose by ear and logic , now its all diag , cars used to have an identity , now they all look same , its official , ive become a dinosaur .

with tibbe ive tried many of the clamps and carriages , and for me nothing cuts a tibbe key as well as a stand alone tibbe machine , i have silca delta FO , i bought it 9 years ago , its cut thousands of keys and still as good as new , always cuts an accurate key , an attractive key and a clean cut key , all clamps and carriages have issues . clamps and carriages are fine for those that see very few tibbe , but if like in uk you see alot still , a stand alone machine is far superior .

i see 2nd hand tibbe machines alot , a mate of mine bought an old orion tibbe machine 4 years ago for ?50 , safety guard was broken and it looked like a bag of poo , but it has cut hundreds of tibbe keys over the 4 years and is still going strong for him , and still on same cutter.

[paul_12345]

OBDsystems , we would all like original kit to be cheaper , i dont agree that its just a lump of metal , someone has designed it , tooled it and manufactured it investing their time , knowledge and money in doing so , they deserve a pay back for this , with clones appearing cheap quickly , i can see original kit going up in price rather than comming down in price , as this will be the only way a developer can recoup their investment before its copied and cloned , once developers no longer recoup their costs , there will be no more development , then we have nothing , no original and no clone.


we've paid good money for the machine which cuts car keys so in this case I dont see justification for such a high premium for tibbe keys, also I have a A9 and did not bother with the tibbe clamp due to the price especially when its only semi-auto, now I will probably order the clone version clamp, but if the original was a bit cheaper than I'd be tempted to reward the manufacturers and buy original.

Now if they increase prices they are going to loose customers and they might make up for this by the increased prices, but they also make cloning their product even more rewarding, then the clones come out and people like you who strongly support originals get hit again by people using clones.

[obdsystems]

We could argue pro's and cons of cloned kit and sure will damage industry. Always get what you pay for but... :)

Yeah "lump of metal" was a joke. however the prices are high for original parts - too high as paul said for tibbe adaptor.
The decoders and cutters are the same. Do also agree with you martin we always moan at high prices.
its a closed market once you've got the kit - they can almost charge what they want for parts

PS. How come my A5 failed to decode a HU101 yesterday and others? would X6 firmware work on my A5 now support dropped lol

[totalkey]

We could argue pro's and cons of cloned kit and sure will damage industry. Always get what you pay for but... :)

Yeah "lump of metal" was a joke. however the prices are high for original parts - too high as paul said for tibbe adaptor.
The decoders and cutters are the same. Do also agree with you martin we always moan at high prices.
its a closed market once you've got the kit - they can almost charge what they want for parts

PS. How come my A5 failed to decode a HU101 yesterday and others? would X6 firmware work on my A5 now support dropped lol

Also my silca viper not decoding good all the time because the key is worn and not the machine issue


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[obdsystems]

yeah true but certain this was a machine issue. heard the Viper is a great machine.
A5 is good kit - but I'am i right in saying entry level ??? Would of been nice to link to instacode for example.

Don't know as I've only been doing this practically for a year so my view/experience of other key cutting machines is limited

[rapidlocksmiths]

I have my trusty viper , would never part with it , over 12000 keys cut and still like new , i also have the miracle A6 which is a good little machine too and i have a condor which i also like alot.

The Problem isnt the cost of the original kit , its the necessary links in a chain to get a product to market , take a product that costs us say ?200 , id bet the original manufacturer is only getting ?50 if that for it dependent on how many links exist in the chain from developer to market , the biggest chunk is always made by the distributor or sub distributor of a distributor , distributors argue their margin is necessary as they have to market and promote the product , they have to support the product and they have to stock and take a chance on a product etc etc .

so its logical to say the developer should sell direct then and cut out the distributor , but most developers dont have the time , staff , marketting and distribution networks to bring a product to market , so see distributors as necessary evils.

we always have a choice in what we buy and where we buy from , you buy an original miracle machine from the official chinese distributor , then you will save over a grand on the purchase price after shipping than if you bought in uk , so a huge saving , you will get updates direct from red technologies , though you wont get the support and back up and quick resolution to issues or problems that you get from the uk distributor , so if unlucky it could cost you more than you save in return shipping costs and down time , so in some cases it will prove to be a good saving and for others it will in long term be false economy and cost more .

what i will say is that lockdecoders offer exceptional support and back up and give something worthwhile for the extra .

with cutters and clamps and add ons , its not the end of world , but when investing in a cut to code machine you need something that will last and retain a value , sadly as A5 is no longer sold it decreases in value which is a kick in teeth for investors , i know viper is dearer , but it truly is a machine for life that holds its value .

i agree many will buy from china a clone as cheaper , but if developers stop developing then there will be no chinese clones to buy cheaper , i buy and support original kit for a number of reasons , updates , reliability , support , warranty , back up etc , but also because i run a legit business where as legit all purchases are offset against tax , all vat is reclaimed , and if a major asset i claim further depreciation each year on the asset , so it doesnt cost more at end of day and retains a resale value , so at end of day if running a business its all tax deductable anyway so cost isnt actually a factor as all is reclaimed anyway , which is why ive never understood the argument of its too dear when talking tools and assets as all is claimed back anyway if a business..

a non vat registered company may benefit more from buying overseas as they cant claim back their vat , so i can see the appeal to them , but if vat registered then any asset purchase is fully reclaimed if not at once then over time , so cost isnt really a factor in business unless stupidly expensive .

This is why i cant understand when people say they buy clones in uk as original too expensive , as if running a legit business and vat registered as well , long term its actually cheaper to buy original , as with original kit the entire vat is claimed back , the entire purchase is offset against tax as an asset , then you claim the asset cost back again over the next 4 years in depreciation .
with clone you can often not claim as an asset in books as no legit invoice , and you cant claim depreciation on the asset either , so for any legit business the clone can be dearer and the asset a better buy .

on major assets with any legit business the cost of a tool or machine is immaterial whether cheap or dear to buy as both claimed back so both cost nothing at the end .

[rapidlocksmiths]

We could argue pro's and cons of cloned kit and sure will damage industry. Always get what you pay for but... :)

Yeah "lump of metal" was a joke. however the prices are high for original parts - too high as paul said for tibbe adaptor.
The decoders and cutters are the same. Do also agree with you martin we always moan at high prices.
its a closed market once you've got the kit - they can almost charge what they want for parts

PS. How come my A5 failed to decode a HU101 yesterday and others? would X6 firmware work on my A5 now support dropped lol

all machines give a missread sometimes , i got in the habit of site reading each key i decode to be sure , worn keys can misread as can certain alloys give a miss read , then of course issues like swarf , bad setting of key , or calibration issues , its not always down to machine , site read the key to confirm after reading to be sure normally spots these rare hiccups before you waste a key . car keys are not hard to site read as so few heights

im not that fortunate to get many spare key jobs when a customer has an existing key to copy , as dearer than the shops on this as mobile , but when i do i normally always site read as well to confirm . same with snapped keys , i rarely try and cut from the 2 pieces , i prefer to site read , input the cuts and cut to code , its just how i was originally taught to do this and has always proven worthwhile.

[obdsystems]

yeah did feel a kick in the teeth with the A5. Few bugs which no doubt fixed in A6 and later machines -
Yep Peter / lockdecoders always good on support - even if moan at prices of parts

Seems site reading is a must as decode not always accurate. Few issues/quarks but always get there in end.

Beer time :beer:

[techterr]

Here in the states we hardly ever see tribbe keys.. Only on the small transit vans and jags. A stand alone machine would get used once a month if that, so the A9 vise works fine for me. As for decoding, seems like all machines have some problems.. The A9 I have have alot of issues with HU66 VW keys because of the way it clamps the key, if you have a valet key it is fine, if you have a flip key, watchout... the shoulder of the flip key has a taper to it that makes centering it in the jaw nearly impossible. The X6 came with an HU66 adapter that is great, and I have been using it with the A9.
Take care,
Tim

[p1et]

Why even decode a key by machine? I don't even have a tracer in my viper.

[totalkey]

Why even decode a key by machine? I don't even have a tracer in my viper.

I using decoding on my viper for copy keys in my shop, I guess you don't have shop


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[p1et]

I'm using caliper because I'm 100% sure about decode then and also I'm learning how to decode just by looking at the key. If the key is worn it can give bad decode.

My point is decoding option is not important in case you wondering which machine to buy. I think every person who have electronic machine got InstaCode or if you planning to buy electronic machine you also consider buying IC.

[Phase 4 autokey]

Any other X6 users with news.....disasters......successes?

[siyadk]

I'm using caliper because I'm 100% sure about decode then and also I'm learning how to decode just by looking at the key. If the key is worn it can give bad decode.

My point is decoding option is not important in case you wondering which machine to buy. I think every person who have electronic machine got InstaCode or if you planning to buy electronic machine you also consider buying IC.
u dont need instacode for condor (miracle.. nt sure) machines. tgey already have incorporated with it

[p1et]

Perfect then.

[Automat]

Any other X6 users with news.....disasters......successes?

Soon to be X6 user, if it ever gets shipped.

[estate]

be interested to know your thoughts ;) want something to cut maybe 5-10 keys a week, vag, ne72/73, hu46 etc.

[rapidlocksmiths]

x6 cuts and decodes ne72 and hu46 fine , you have to remember what the x6 is a copy of , ie its an old copy of miracle a5 , so will sometimes cut an ok vag key and sometimes not , though you could buy the new miracle A5 clamp , which then cuts a good key.

you have to slow it to slowest setting and maximum passes to preserve cutters

its alot of coverage for very little money , build quality is not as good as a5 , but nor is cost , its not a machine for life , but it works , just be realistic with expectations , and as an old copy of a5 its worth reading up on keys like vag that a5 users have had issues with , to be forwarned on where issues may be further down line.

the condor is a far better buy , it is a far superior build quality , cuts a much nicer and much smoother key and is reliable on all keys ive tried to date , yes its a bit dearer , but its also a lot more machine.

the x6 cuts to inputted cuts and decodes and cuts , condor does this but also cuts to manufacturer code which x6 wont do

[Automat]

Well said Rapid, you are correct. The X6 works, but you can see that it is not made for heavy usage. Put it to work as soon as it arrived, HU101 ecellent results, I plan to use it strictly for lazer key code cutting only, not for duplicates.
Definitely use the slow setting as you say, any faster and the machine sounds like it's being worked too hard. I would advise this not only for cutter life, but also for component life.

[paul_12345]

be interested to know your thoughts ;) want something to cut maybe 5-10 keys a week, vag, ne72/73, hu46 etc.

well its been 34 weeks since the start of this thread so at average 8 keys a week thats 272 keys at even ?5 a key thats ?1360 not far off a condor

even 5 keys a week would be ?850 @5 per key would of about paid for a x6

[rapidlocksmiths]

I would say if you can stretch to it then buy condor , its a better built machine , far more sturdy , but it is heavy , similar weight to viper and bd laser , its got far better jaw designs and is far more robust , will last alot longer .

if limited funds then treat x6 as a starter machine , set money aside off of each job to reinvest in better machine down the line , be aware that even on its slowest settings it will still struggle on some of the chinese alloy keys , especially HU101 and will snap cutters which seem brittle in comparison , the gearing is plastic so not long lasting , but should pay for itself and make enough to reinvest later , just read the a5 issues of past to be forwarned on issues that may well arise with it on certain keys .

if you can afford the little extra to invest in condor then a cheaper long term purchase as will last far longer .

[techterr]

Any other X6 users with news.....disasters......successes?
My A9 decided to take a vacation today... got out the X6 and made a HU92.. The lcd display on the X6 decided to flake out.. When the machine has been on for about 5 to 10 minutes, it gets hot and you can't read it.. And there is no software to interface with your laptop... I thought the X6 would be a good backup machine.. I was wrong..
Take care,
Tim

[autofan1965]

Whats wrong with your a9?

[rapidlocksmiths]

My A9 decided to take a vacation today... got out the X6 and made a HU92.. The lcd display on the X6 decided to flake out.. When the machine has been on for about 5 to 10 minutes, it gets hot and you can't read it.. And there is no software to interface with your laptop... I thought the X6 would be a good backup machine.. I was wrong..
Take care,
Tim

is the internal fan not working on it ? the x6 i played with for a few months was running for 2 to 3 hours at a time without this issue , though it was during winter , the current temps may be causing overheat issues , especially if no internal fan cooling things down.

condor does have a decent fan , i ran condor cutting a big order of keys on friday to test it further , it was running and cutting keys continuously for 4 hours without issue , my viper would have been quicker on job , but the test data is valuable , condor was slower than my viper but faster than my miracle A6 at the job i was doing , x6 would have taken an hour or 2 longer to do this job.

this is again my point about if you buy a current chinese machine , if budget allows stretch to condor over x6 , x6 is a very cheap machine , its going to have failures and issues , compared to condor the saving is a false economy for what you get.
though for all its issues , its a light weight mobile machine that costs so little it will pay its way unless really unlucky .

im a lover of silca machines as for ever machines , my advice to anyone with cheap machines , be they chinese , miracle etc , is use them to save and invest in a silca machine in future.

[Automat]

The X6 has an internal fan? If it does, mine is not running. If it doesn't have one, it will by the end of the week.

[viw9419]

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[viw9419]

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[cqae]

based on advice from you guys Im gonna go with a condor in the next few monthes...thanks rapdilocksmiths & rtronics in particular

[totalkey]

Now price down to 2650$


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[Carkeysa]

My X6 arrived yesterday from Sicotool and I was disappointed to see that the "quick change guide pin and cutter" has been replaced with a grub screw on the shaft. Else it looks and works fine.

[rapidlocksmiths]

No fan is an issue i would say , obviously a corner cut in production , though if occassional use then it shouldnt have much effect .

viw9419 , have you cracked adding keys to the condor now ? as it still has some notable series missing , ie clio 3 , megane card keys etc , i know they are working on these in china

if buying chinese machine , spend wisely and buy condor , you get much more for your money in build quality and its a wiser long term investment than x6

[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

since back , it no longer updates online on the condor server , so unable to update to latest version at mo waiting to see if condor can fix so it can update , fingers and toes are crossed.

the condor has the clio 3 and the megane card key on it , you just have to search , ie for megane card key you need to select key database , select renault , enter key code and it brings up a list of 4 , select 2nd on list and its for megane key

for clio 3 , click key database , click on renault , enter key code , then select series and you get the clio 3 key .

[Automat]

My X6 arrived yesterday from Sicotool and I was disappointed to see that the "quick change guide pin and cutter" has been replaced with a grub screw on the shaft. Else it looks and works fine.

Mine as well, I actually like the screw, now there is one less component to get jammed up.

[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

ive tried 3 leads and 3 computers , they have suggested trying new internet , i will persevere and try as they suggest a different internet connection though doubt this will help .

it updated fine on my pc and internet in past .

i will give it ago on another internet , it enters bios ok so machine enters listening mode fine , but fails to download from server every time with every lead and every pc so far and with anti virus disabled , i will try again tonight

[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

sorted today , driver files were corrupted , they sent a one off updater tool that updated drivers and rebooted machine then updated on line flawlessly , so now running 2.29 and bang up to date .

they have added a function for searching for key by make and model which is usefull , megane card key added in menu , and great wall added with some bug fixes to other keys , tibbe x3 clamp added for tibbe cutting as well , so all looking good .

[diagprog7]

They spent a lot of time, to upgrade their upgrade program, before an upgrade, takes about an hour, now the latest upgrade program, need only 5-15 minutes to complete. Because the user distribution is very wide, if not solve the upgrade of the time, many users, probably because of the instability of network, upgrade failed due to. Now, they are a very good solution to this problem, if the need for technical support, you can contact them online technical support. If you have special requirements, can also be technical contact with them, including language localization, they can provide very good support.

[diagprog7]

Condor key cut mahcine, they are continuing to improve their machine, if you have the demand for personalized, or need to add a blank key data of different, can contact them, they are willing to help you add a different language, different key data.

[estate]

Rapid have you used it for tibbe? this will be the clincher for me..........

[paul_12345]

Rapid have you used it for tibbe? this will be the clincher for me..........

would of thought it would be working fine, its only cutting a few straight lines with the clamp adjusting the angle.

[rapidlocksmiths]

not yet im awaiting my test tibbe unit to arrive so i can put it through its paces , even if good , i still prefer a stand alone tibbe machine , my 10 year old silca delta fo has been on my vans for past 10 years and is still as good as new , always cuts a perfect key .

with testing clamps added to other machines , ive always found that keys need finishing and dressing with a file , some differs more than others , with the delta fo no dressing needed.

my trusty old silca delta fo has cot easily 5000 keys or more , and still as good as new , but im contracted to test the tibbe clamp so will do thoroughly .

[diagprog7]

If improvements in good or suggestions, you can contact the factory, if your project has been manufacturers, manufacturers can pay the corresponding fees, or give you commonly used accessories for you.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i test the machines for a distributor who is going to distribute and warranty it around the world , so its for them that i test , they then liase with factory for what additions or improvements they need for the machine to fit their customers needs.

so all results get fed back to the factory by them

[Automat]

[QUOTE=rapidlocksmiths;2169967]talking with someone in know , it is an old copy of software and firmware , bugs from this version long since fixed and from what im told wont do sx9 and a few others , id guess it also has the hu66 issues without adaptor .

It has issues with the HU66 adapter, at least mine does. Software does not know the adapter is present, before I could stop it, it snapped the probe. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I would say it needs updated VAG section software. Anyone with working X6 VAG with adapter would like to post a copy of their SD card?

[rapidlocksmiths]

drop viw9419 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/216390-viw9419/) a pm if anyone can help he may be able to advise you as knows this software better than most.

the issues x6 has and will have makes it a poor investment , it will pay for itself , but the wiser money goes to condor which cuts a perfect vag key and is now way ahead of x6 on coverage and will last far longer as far more robust and better build quality .

im not rubbing it in , just emphasising the point to those looking at a machine purchase , condor will be a wiser longer term investment with far less dissapointment .

drop warren an email , if anyone can help with x6 then he can

[dam495]

how much is condor, and how much is x6, can i cut , honda, fiat, ford, opel, toyota, audi, and nissan, ? where can i find a good one condor,

[Automat]

drop viw9419 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/216390-viw9419/) a pm if anyone can help he may be able to advise you as knows this software better than most.

the issues x6 has and will have makes it a poor investment , it will pay for itself , but the wiser money goes to condor which cuts a perfect vag key and is now way ahead of x6 on coverage and will last far longer as far more robust and better build quality .

im not rubbing it in , just emphasising the point to those looking at a machine purchase , condor will be a wiser longer term investment with far less dissapointment .

drop warren an email , if anyone can help with x6 then he can

Thanks Rapid, you give wise advice as always.
X6 is for the truck, Ilco futura is for the shop, I did not need to get an X6, but it's been good so far.
Honda, Hu101 ford, lexus and USA GM H100, all good results. It is quickly earning it's money and I don't have to worry about it getting stolen. If I can't get it to do a good VAG key, that's no worry to me, they rarely come in where I live.
It would be great if your contact can offer help, gracias.....

[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

i knew he would know , geek central when it comes to these machines :)

[diagprog7]

Condor is the design and production of the car key NC machine small, the prototype has been released in Chinese, about 20KG, 7 inch capacitive touchscreen, 80-260V wide voltage, electric spindle 180W, no belt, three directions can be mobile, using screw drive,

[Automat]

Probe #2 broken, good thing I ordered extras. Problem must be in the software or I have an old version of this machine, thanks all for your help. The motor doesn't rise high enough.

[paul_12345]

Condor is the design and production of the car key NC machine small, the prototype has been released in Chinese, about 20KG, 7 inch capacitive touchscreen, 80-260V wide voltage, electric spindle 180W, no belt, three directions can be mobile, using screw drive,

What you mean theres another machine coming on the market?? links?

[diagprog7]

Condor plan:
The second half of the production of new, high performance CNC machine is smaller, has been tested

[H.Wessel]

What about X6? Anybody know if there is a update? A friend has one of the first and has some bugs.

[diagprog7]

I have a V8, is sent to one of my friends, I looked at the machine, the software is South Korea's A5 machine, hardware is improved, power on test, basically all the sensor error, I also hope to be able to upgrade. If you have a message, can tell me, I want you with me, V6 V8 should be about the same. In Chinese, more people choose Condor XC-007, only a few people use V8. In fact, the price of Condor is two times of the V8 machine.

[H.Wessel]

I have a V8, is sent to one of my friends, I looked at the machine, the software is South Korea's A5 machine, hardware is improved, power on test, basically all the sensor error, I also hope to be able to upgrade. If you have a message, can tell me, I want you with me, V6 V8 should be about the same. In Chinese, more people choose Condor XC-007, only a few people use V8. In fact, the price of Condor is two times of the V8 machine.

Yes, sometimes it takes 4 or 5 times to decode right the key... My friend bought it because in his country a condor cost like a 1 year salary so he cant afford it. It cut 4-5 keys a week with this machine so not too much work... I am thinking to buy a condor in the future but if you can improve X6 software people don't mind to pay a little for the update or something...
Regards!

[diagprog7]

Cheap manufacturing, copy of the software, it can reduce the cost, if this is China manufacturing mode, I think this is Chinese manufacturing tragedy. China also need to have some independent design and innovative things, even if it is micro innovation, manufacturing is not cheap to please customers, I think a reasonable price, reasonable quality, is the basis for product development, is the only product is the survival and development, is the only reason you choose products.

[paul_12345]

Condor plan:
The second half of the production of new, high performance CNC machine is smaller, has been tested

Any more info? any time frame on releasing/ cost etc, as I was planning on ordering a condor pretty soon but may have to wait if they are just going to release another machine

[viw9419]

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[diagprog7]

You say the principle and pay attention to probe work matters, but we now have V8 machine is not the problem, current sensor error, don't get into the normal processing of state.

[diagprog7]

I wait for the new key NC machine270972

[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

the factory that make the x6 im told are working on an update to software , they are also working on a number of clamps to work with their machine to overcome issues , so it looks as if fixes are in hand .

[eepromRipper]

the factory that make the x6 im told are working on an update to software , they are also working on a number of clamps to work with their machine to overcome issues , so it looks as if fixes are in hand .
Let's hope so.

[Automat]

I am not sure I understood that, V8 has the same problem as Automat found out. He will report back and then his problem will be fixed.
I don't have the machine any longer so am relying on him to test.

The Hu66 adapter came with the machine, it is made of a non ferous metal, you are the man viw9419. the probe will never sense it, am I correct?

[paul_12345]

The Hu66 adapter came with the machine, it is made of a non ferous metal, you are the man viw9419. the probe will never sense it, am I correct?

not that hard to test with a multi meter

[viw9419]

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[H.Wessel]

X6 now have a new engine, maybe old machines can be upgrades with this new engine

272423

[eepromRipper]

thats a good development

[simaservis1108]

Can anyone give me link to the website of the manufacturer,I don't want to order from resellers?

[securipro38]

I wait for the new key NC machine270972

Hi where did you get this this photo ? seems to be new condor cutting version
Thanks

[ruwi]

I bought the X6, excellent little machine, decent battery life and so far everything works. I didn't know that the X6 came with an HU66 adapter, so I ordered a one and now have 2. The adapter that I ordered is machined aluminium and has no issues conducting.

[Automat]

An electrician said to try to cover the adapter with copper foil , and small wire on the clamp that holds the key, as viw941
said. Will try when I get the proper foil.

[obeids]

Hi all.
I am using the X6 along with Instacode for decoding the Mechanical key codes and I must say I am very impressed and satisfied with this Chinese machine. It does alot of work for me and the best part is it's easy to move around or carry to do work on site.
The Hu66 does use the clamp but I haven't had any issues with alignment except on some toyota TOY43 blades.

The suppliers have informed me that there is a new replacement coming out soon which actually has a decent cover to avoid all the shavings flying all over the show as does happen with the X6.

The downside is that you receive no user manual or guide as to show how to insert the various keys and use the adaptors.
I figured it out and used some videos and user manual of the A5 to get some tips.

Could somebody please tell me how to link it up with USB to Instacode?

[viw9419]

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[obeids]

The USB won't work with Instacode.
So whats the use of the USB?

[viw9419]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

its for charging up your iphone when playing music surely

[H.Wessel]

anybody know if there is a firmware upgrade or something? The one I have is one of the first that a friend of mine bought, it have firmware 1.01 and has some bugs, for example, Toy43 fail, doesnt cut it fine...

[autoTkey]

Anybody knows anything about this database 2014 thing that need to be payed for?

[Automat]

Where did you hear about a database update for X6?

[Cromwe11]

Anybody knows anything about this database 2014 thing that need to be payed for?
You can update the database on the SD card no problem. But without a firmware upgrade its utterly pointless

[autoTkey]

I saw the info on some chinese websites. From what I'm reading it seems it's not yet ready but when it is it will cost something to get the update. It's called database 2014. Maybe it will include firmware update too(I'm just guessing).

[whiskeyman]

the a5 updates died out a while back
so how they gonna update this machine?

[autoTkey]

Probably the software is not direct 1:1 clone or they cracked the source or just updating of the DB is not such a hard thing.

Also here are some videos of a newer version called HAWK that is being controlled by an Android phone/tablet wirelessly.
http://i.youku.com/u/UMTgxNDAxMDEzNg==?from=hz-4006606-1000631

[Automat]

Looks interesting!!

[autochei]

what cutter u use 2mm 2.5 or 3mm?

[Automat]

2 mm that comes with machine.

[estate]

Been looking at my Condor thread quite a lot lately and seems a lot of people don't think it's worth the money...... So my question for x6 users is.... How does it cut NE72/73 Renault and PEUGEOT, HU66, HU100 and ford tibbe? I will only cut about 10 keys a week with it anyway.....

[Recoder]

Have used a x6 looks good and will do all you listed ok .
Belive it has a few niggles but belive these could be overcome.
HTH

[H.Wessel]

Renault Megane 2 key card wrong cutting

[estate]

Anyone know where you can get the latest machine with cover and Android support? I believe it's called "hawk"

[obdsystems]

Been looking at my Condor thread quite a lot lately and seems a lot of people don't think it's worth the money...... So my question for x6 users is.... How does it cut NE72/73 Renault and PEUGEOT, HU66, HU100 and ford tibbe? I will only cut about 10 keys a week with it anyway.....

10 keys a week is pretty busy still

x 52 = 520 a year. still needs to be good machine.

[Automat]

Anyone know where you can get the latest machine with cover and Android support? I believe it's called "hawk"

It must have been abandoned, I haven't seen it anywhere.

[estate]

Your X6 still working ok Automat?

[Automat]

As of yet, still working very good, with hope will stay that way.......

[estate]

Can anyone tell me where i can get spares? i need an " X SENSOR "

[techterr]

Hi estate, if you find spares, please let folks know... The screen on mine only shows about half the characters now... I sent an email with pictures to the seller, HKlock, and got back a reply that I need to clean the contacts on the memory card.. Yeah, sure, you betcha... tried that.. no worky... This is the problem with the chinese tools and parts.. NO support..
Good luck,
Tim

[diagprog7]

Can more attention:
Http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/472624-XC-MINI-CONDOR/page2
From the photo, you can see more of our efforts!
Software that we are trying to develop and INSTCODE communication of the with each other, software of new INSTCODE will support our machines, we will free software INSTCODE a year right. Within a year, the user can access to the original upgrade.
The new machine will support more languages, is expected to support the language of 18 countries, you can make more users in the world, better use our products. We will also in the forum of DK to specialized technical support staff to answer your questions, accept you feedback on products, enable us to better serve all customer service, thank you, we choose, thank you give us their own opportunities.

[Recoder]

Hi estate, if you find spares, please let folks know... The screen on mine only shows about half the characters now... I sent an email with pictures to the seller, HKlock, and got back a reply that I need to clean the contacts on the memory card.. Yeah, sure, you betcha... tried that.. no worky... This is the problem with the chinese tools and parts.. NO support..
Good luck,
Tim
Have you tried the ribbon cable contacts etc to the screen ???.
Cleaned them etc just a thought.

[techterr]

yep, cleaned and wiggled everything... no go... Figured I would pull the board out and resolder all the joints.. maybe have a bad solder.. hasn't been a priority yet, this is my backup in case my miracle A9 goes down.. and it has been chugging right along for a couple years..
Take care,
Tim

[Recoder]

Ok Tim just a thought .
I would say you could get a screen if needed from Hk dealer with ribbbon etc if resoldering dont work .

Great little machine good luck with it .

[estate]

this thread is not for the Condor.............

[tkumonryu]

yep, cleaned and wiggled everything... no go... Figured I would pull the board out and resolder all the joints.. maybe have a bad solder.. hasn't been a priority yet, this is my backup in case my miracle A9 goes down.. and it has been chugging right along for a couple years..
Take care,
Tim
I pulled mine machine cover and have a quick look on the LCD....
On the PCB got printed AMT-G12864A-C-V2.
Had a search on aliexpress.... found something similar but different brand.... same as well with 20 pins, just need to do some soldering to transfer the ribbon cable adapter over....
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Production-and-sales-of-LCD-color-LCD-12864A-white-letters-a-blue-background-yellow-green-and/32323018097.html
Just a thought......

[Susan wang]

anyone actually used one? seen bad reports about miracle a5 etc, so is this any better or worse? would like to cut keys from code but it's only a small part of the puzzle for me :)
in generally most time work not bad, if you are clear how to use

[Automat]

Would be great if repair parts were readily available.

[techterr]

I pulled mine machine cover and have a quick look on the LCD....
On the PCB got printed AMT-G12864A-C-V2.
Had a search on aliexpress.... found something similar but different brand.... same as well with 20 pins, just need to do some soldering to transfer the ribbon cable adapter over....
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Production-and-sales-of-LCD-color-LCD-12864A-white-letters-a-blue-background-yellow-green-and/32323018097.html
Just a thought......

I saw this and laughed... I did the exact same thing.. I have two of them on the way.. Well worth the small amount I spent on them..
Take care,
Tim
I will let you know if it works...

[estate]

Having problems calibrating my X6 :( I select the Auto function and it finds the depth ok, and finds the width of the blank key ok, but it stops about 2mm short when trying to find the base of the clamp........ How can i fix it? It also seems to try and move too far to the left when i start the machine and makes a noise?

It stops by position 1 in the clamp and says " no material found in clamp " and cancels the calibration :(

[techterr]

I saw this and laughed... I did the exact same thing.. I have two of them on the way.. Well worth the small amount I spent on them..
Take care,
Tim
I will let you know if it works...

Got the LCD's from China... They are too big and won't fit in the case... I keep trying to find one that is 62mm X 44mm viewable area and 78mm X 70 overall, but can't seem to find one...
Take care,
Tim

[techterr]

Having problems calibrating my X6 :( I select the Auto function and it finds the depth ok, and finds the width of the blank key ok, but it stops about 2mm short when trying to find the base of the clamp........ How can i fix it? It also seems to try and move too far to the left when i start the machine and makes a noise?

It stops by position 1 in the clamp and says " no material found in clamp " and cancels the calibration :(
Had a similar problem with my A9 and took the darn thing apart and found a shaving from a key on one of the circuit boards... cleaned everything off and it worked fine.. Tech support from X6 has told me that the contacts on the memory module get dirty and cause all kinds of problems, it's worth a try...
Take care,
Tim

[Automat]

Mr. Techterr made a good suggestion, I would look for a mechanical problem while you have it apart, check for debris or loose things and problems with the mechanical works inside.

[estate]

is it possible that the X AXIS belt is not " timed " correctly? are there any marks on the belt that correspond to anything? my carrier seems to move too far to the left and makes a juddering noise........

[Automat]

That sure sounds like a logical conclusion, I still don't know what the machine looks like inside, I never took mine apart, I don't know myself if there is any timing marks.
I hope you find a solution, please post when you do, it will help many.

[techterr]

not seeing any timing marks, just a couple of switches on the lateral and horizontal motors...http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=321949&stc=1http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=321950&stc=1

Take care,
Tim

[estate]

Hi Tim, yes there are 3x Photoelectric GK152 Sensors, X Y Z Axis. I have replaced the one and now it seems to calibrate....... Just need to order a few cutters now and see how it goes. If it works ok, this will be a very cheap " project " :D

[techterr]

good to hear... I am still trying to find an LCD for mine...
Take care,
Tim

[estate]

Do you have to use the hu66 clamp or can you just use the standard jaw?

[techterr]

I used the HU66 clamp and it works well... I have heard of other folks using the clamp to decode and then using the regular jaw to cut... I purchased a couple extra clamps from aliexpress and use one on my A9 to decode the flip keys.. the flip key blade has an angle on the butt of the key that makes it impossible to decode unless you seperate it from the flip mechanism...
Take care,
Tim

[estate]

I might buy a few clamps just incase. Can always use them on my laser duplicator too.

[techterr]

I use one on my A9 for decoding, it works well.. When you hit decode, the tracer comes down and touches the key and then does it a couple times, like it isn't expecting the key to be that high in the clamp.. but it decodes it no problem....
Take care,
Tim

[estate]

Machine seems to be working! Thanks to Recoder for all his help!!!! It doesn't seem to decode that well though? If I cut a key to code and then decode it, it gives a different decode? Is there an art to this or something i can alter? do i cut a direct copy or nearest?

[Recoder]

Try to decode a known key then cut to direct copy and then decode .
should work fine .
What happens when you cut a key to code is it ok in lock ?.

[estate]

Will try that in a bit. I cut a Corsa C to Code and it worked perfectly.

[Recoder]

Well mate you cant be far off with it i recon.
Really pleased you got it sorted .

[dave11674]

quick question guys
are these worth the money and do they work ok ??
mixed reviews all over the place

thanks

dave

[techterr]

I sure wouldn't buy another... It is a pain to use.. need to know the silca catalog to be able to pick which blank you are cutting.. the one I have, the screen died and there chinese seller won't answer emails.. but will sell me more great quality chinese stuff... I have an A9 as my main machine.. I love it.. I think I will try and A5 or A7 for my backup...
Take care,
Tim

[rambit]

hi gents..if any 1 is using the sec e9 keycutting machine der is now support and updates available for it....www.kkkcut.com (http://www.kkkcut.com).

[tkumonryu]

Got the LCD's from China... They are too big and won't fit in the case... I keep trying to find one that is 62mm X 44mm viewable area and 78mm X 70 overall, but can't seem to find one...
Take care,
Tim

Oooops...... found another one, but have not contact them.....
http://www.bluemoon-lcd.com/english/ProductShow.asp?id=21&classid=Ets009

Regards,
Finn