Freeview in Spain Biss Box

[chuzupop]

I am an Ex Pat living in southern Spain where we have just lost all BBC and Freeview channels due to a Satalitte switch.

BBC, ITV and C4 have been broadcasting live channels on Intelsat 27 degrees west.

These channels are broadcast in full HD as well as SD and currently there are a range of BBC radio stations too.

This service often referred to as ?Sat Back? This serves as a back up transmission for UK digital terrestrial or freeview masts in the UK.
This service is not intended for public viewing. The signals are transmitted in an unusual symbol rate and are also encrypted.

However, there are certain consumer grade Satellite set top boxes that are capable of receiving these stations. The encryption method used is known as BISS.

Can anyone help with this please?

[mdt]

I am an Ex Pat living in southern Spain where we have just lost all BBC and Freeview channels due to a Satalitte switch.

BBC, ITV and C4 have been broadcasting live channels on Intelsat 27.5 degrees west.

These channels are broadcast in full HD as well as SD and currently there are a range of BBC radio stations too.

This service often referred to as “Sat Back” This serves as a back up transmission for UK digital terrestrial or freeview masts in the UK.
This service is not intended for public viewing. The signals are transmitted in an unusual symbol rate and are also encrypted.

However, there are certain consumer grade Satellite set top boxes that are capable of receiving these stations. The encryption method used is known as B***.

Can anyone help with this please?

get a Technomate TM5402HD, patch it with 3rd party software, enter the required info and your done. regards mdt

[22buster]

I am not good with things technical but here in Spain its like everyone is infected with, We want bbc! There appear to be unscrupulous people offering all sorts of gizmos.Please can anyone offer a solutio? I have Kindle fire so we tried to watch bbc with ndmi cable but it just kept freezing!If I buy smart tv over here( spain) would that work?any advice woulfd be greatly received!

[ramjet]

the blade 7000s sat receiver can also use biss keys for 27.5w , just like its cousin the tm5402 , there may be other sat boxes like a vu that can do this as well

as for streaming, this isnt the forum to discuss it but its always going to have possible problems if its down to internet speeds which will include freezing or glitching , even if you get past the IP locks (region locks) that may limit it to UK viewers only , gizmo or no gizmo , proxy or no proxy

I cannot see a smart tv working due to regional locks (geo-locks)

[digicon]

Here is a List of compatible receivers that will let you View the Channels on 27.5? west with a Biss key

TM5402HD - Blade 7000s - Technomate F3/5 - DrHD D15 - Clarke Tech 4100 your best bet would be to see which is available out of those the cheapest to purchase in your part of the world

[Jack Army]

My parents have the same problem in southern Spain as the OP. If they buy one of the boxes suggested on this thread in the UK and take it over to Spain then how does one install 3rd party software? and is it just a case of removing their old sky box and plugging in the new one? They don't have internet in Spain but they only require the free view channels.

[ramjet]

patching boxes is generally done with usb sticks from pc files downloaded off the net , loaded to usb stick and patch the box
then you add the biss keys for 27.5w , no internet is required

the channels they require are not freeview , they are scrambled on 27.5w

they would also need a suitable dish pointed at 27.5w as well , so not its not the same as swapping boxes as much more work is required

the point here is that the new satellite is tighter onto the uk meaning fringe reception is much worse in southern spain
the point being that the uk channels do not want their content viewed in spain, not even outside the uk , not by satellite and not by internet either
these changes are deliberate and designed to cause this disruption to non-uk residents

so tech savvy people will get around the restrictions , but its not easy for the great "unwashed" any more , and the "get arounds" could fail at any time too

[Jack Army]

That's interesting, think they better leave it to the sat guys down there or come back to the UK for some of our glorious weather. Think those sat guys down on the Costa Del Crime are gonna be millionaires with everyone losing their tv & radio

[digicon]

I would also point out that before every Costa del Sat Company decides to Flog dishes and receivers for 27.5? west bear in mind that eventually the more popular this becomes then all the BBC/ITV have to do is switch Encoders so its Goodbye Biss and Hello Tandberg Director which cannot be cracked, This is just my view on it but i can see this happening sooner rather than later as the Chit Chat on forums starts heading that way.

If your willing to take the risk a box can be patched and up and running in less than 5 minutes

[jackobeen]

using the sat back system here in tenerife with 1.2 meter dish,technomate 5402 hd and inverto black ultra lnb.

[22buster]

Is there anywhere I could find step by step instructions for what you describe?

[anno 1366]

would satback on 27.5 w know how many recievers were tuned
into there satellite ?

[ramjet]

would satback on 27.5 w know how many recievers were tuned
into there satellite ?

no they wouldnt, it could be one or one million and they would not have a clue

[mdt]

Is there anywhere I could find step by step instructions for what you describe?

use google... it takes 5 mins to flash the box then maybe another 10-15 to lock the channels in the cas/biss menu. i can see this loophole being closed if it gets to widespread with everyone on the net asking how to ect. the info is already out there for everyone if they are just willing to read and not be spoonfed. regards mdt

[22buster]

First of all thanks for all your help.I understand that the info is out there but ,to be very honest I feel like I'm swimming against the tide in glue.I understand why its difficult to give too much away but could somebody please help?When you say flash the box do you mean the foxsat box(registered to a uk password).If I am asking too much please accept my apology

[ramjet]

First of all thanks for all your help.I understand that the info is out there but ,to be very honest I feel like I'm swimming against the tide in glue.I understand why its difficult to give too much away but could somebody please help?When you say flash the box do you mean the foxsat box(registered to a uk password).If I am asking too much please accept my apology

clearly you did not read post #5 as in that post the actual boxes that will work were listed , and anything not listed is unlikely to work, especially not a foxsat

please read the info, even if you dont understand it

not only that, your dish will be pointing at the wrong satellite so that will require realignment assuming it will even work, as I clearly stated in post #7

this is not a job for a newbie as you havent learned the basics , it can be done with research but not reading answers is hardly going to help you, sorry to say

ps:- even if you did this, it wont help you get the other channels like itv and ch4 when they move in a weeks time either

[22buster]

We have now lost itv ! I know we have been very lucky in the past to get these channels,does anyone have an opinion on the way forward?What is IPTV (a deluge of companies advertising.Somebody is set to make megabucks from pensioner population)

[22buster]

I understand what you are saying but I did read your message,I just didn't understand it.Maybe at my age I should not belong to this group,it would appear I need to find a group suitable for my age.

[blueflash234]

i can never understand what the big issue is with getting uk tv in spain with the good weather why would you want to be sitting indoors watching bbc/itv/c4 i have a dish aimed at 7w where you can get english speaking films and english speaking news channels and if you want to part with a couple of hundred euros buy a card for benin sports and you have all the epl, or you could learn Spanish and watch their local tv

[ramjet]

age is not relevant, technical ability or the ability to learn is relevant and if you get up to speed on this complicated hobby it would help , whereas you are like somebody who has only been a passenger in a car for 50 years suddenly deciding he wants to enter the paris to dakar rally but doesnt know how to change gear never mind steer

the point is this hobby needs a lot of research and understanding , whether you are 16 or 76 makes no difference , so all you need to do is understand what you are being told, dont jump in the deep end just because you want to enter the swimming contests in the olympics but havent learned the doggy paddle yet

have a read of this I wrote some time ago http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f11/new-sat-setup-301108/

as for IPTV , its TV delivered to your IP address (hence IPTV) , which is the internet address given to you by your ISP
so its streaming TV over the internet , one you may have heard of being IPLAYER, another being itvPlayer or 4OD or skygo

the matricom MX2 is another streaming IPTV option black box (there are loads of iptv options around) , but these will all depend on the ability of your internet connection as that is how they are delivered to you, so can suffer failure or glitching, or you get locked out due to not having a uk IP address (geolocking)


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Reports coming in of total loss of signals in some parts of Spain, Portugal, Greece & Cyprus.

[blueflash234]

the internet speeds in spain are poor in comparison to this country but you can get 6mps speed which should be enough for iptv

[benny/9]

now these chns are being lost i would get a mag250
they work first class on a asdl phone line in the uk
on speeds of just under 4 meg. if your broadband can
get this, there is nothing easier than these to set up etc:
and they are on sale on the bay for ?75/80.

[22buster]

My word how judgemental.Its actually cold and raining at the moment.

[22buster]

Thankyou for your kind and helpful reply.I am in the process of researching your.suggestion and it is looking like a goer!I will as from now exit Digital Kaos as some responses have been unking and judgemental.This was once a helpful friendly site.

[anno 1366]

the internet speeds in spain are poor in comparison to this country but you can get 6mps speed which should be enough for iptv

i was lead to believe ping times were more important than broadband speeds.
this is with sat ,not sure if same applies to iptv

[benny/9]

Thankyou for your kind and helpful reply.I am in the process of researching your.suggestion and it is looking like a goer!I will as from now exit Digital Kaos as some responses have been unking and judgemental.This was once a helpful friendly site.

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i would have thought from reading this thread the members had and were very friendly and helpful, you have been given advise and options to keep you viewing, but it's up to you which receiver or iptv box etc: you want to get and use, to keep viewing the channels, everyone has there own view and budget, now the choice is yours

[digicon]

Thankyou for your kind and helpful reply.I am in the process of researching your.suggestion and it is looking like a goer!I will as from now exit Digital Kaos as some responses have been unking and judgemental.This was once a helpful friendly site.

I apologise if you feel that some of the comments/posts regarding trying to help in your situation where as you say judgemental they may appear to be that way but most including myself would not want to see our Ex-Pat population get what i would called shafted by the influx of so called Costa del Cowboys.

I myself could fill my van with 5402's and dishes etc.. take the Ferry and drive through to spain installing in every location possible to make a fast buck so to speak. and still return home after making a huge profit this is something i would not like to see but in all eventuality this is going to happen to most of the population as they either dont or cant use the internet to find information so will pay the current going rip off rate to get there channels back.

your best hope at the moment is to swing your dish round to 27.5? west and purchase something like a TM5402HD or equivalent receiver that will let you view the BBC's on this satellite.

If you give us a rough location for yourself then we can try and help you with Dish size and any relevant information to get these channels back including help in patching the receiver.

Regards

[blueflash234]

i dont know about southern spain but in the alicante area there are company's who through like a frew view ariel will give you british freesat for about 23 euros /month where they give you a box and set it up for you maybe thats what the peep needs but then it would not be freesat then

[harpic2]

Problem is that although there are companies delivering British 'freeview' around areas of Spain its illegal and the Guardia bust them. Then the punters are left with nothing.

One of the nice things about Spanish DTV is that they run films and American series with a choice of language so you can have the original or badly dubbed Spanish. Even TVE does it.

Although it takes around 5mins to patch a suitable receiver to receive the channels mentioned, the key can, and does, change at any time and the service is not a broadcast, its a feed so it may become unavailable at any time. The cowboys are out in force selling it and IPTV boxes which rely on streaming services which could vanish faster than a BISS key. Most of the punters haven't a clue about the technical aspects, and just want to watch Eastenders. They will be robbed and end up with a blank screen sooner or later.

What the BBC do offer is the BBC Entertainment channel, where you can watch the soaps for an official subscription of ?85 per year with an 80cm dish on Eutelsat 9a at 9 east which also carries BBC World news FTA

[nigela]

As a matter of interest if you realigned your dish to Eutelsat 9a at 9 east are there many other channels in English you could watch? If so are they encrypted or free to air? If they are not free to air is it possible to unscramble them? I think people living in Spain would probably like more than just the 2 English channels. Also I presume all the non ITV, BBC, Channel 4 & 5 will still be locatable on a Freeesat box. eg Pop channels, True movies, horror channel, etc. Has the BBC news channel moved or is that still watchable on a Freesat box?

[harpic2]

As anticipated the BBC changed the BISS key yesterday afternoon so anyone who pointed their dish at 27w and was getting the package
now has a blank screen and the key is not on the Internet yet. So those without at least 2mbs of internet to support streaming are out of luck.

It will be interesting to see how long it is before the new key hits the internet and the cowboys offer to 'upgrade' their clients. My guess would be around 1-2 weeks.

[Martillo]

i can never understand what the big issue is with getting uk tv in spain with the good weather why would you want to be sitting indoors watching bbc/itv/c4 i have a dish aimed at 7w where you can get english speaking films and english speaking news channels and if you want to part with a couple of hundred euros buy a card for benin sports and you have all the epl, or you could learn Spanish and watch their local tv

Can't understand what is wrong with ex-pats wanting to watch TV from their own country. At least part of many evenings is going to be spent watching TV...

[harpic2]

Its actually an EU requirement that nationals living in another country can receive some television from their home state, however in the case of the UK this is covered by the wide availability of BBC World (FTA) and BBC Entertainment which is a subscription channel available from the BBC for 85 quid a year. It includes soaps like Casualty and Eastenders and the channel even does live broadcasts of important UK events. It can be received in the South of Spain with a 80cm dish from Eurobird 9. Google for their website. Another little known fact is that you can subscribe to BBC iplayer if you live outside the UK. Then you can watch the beeb online - internet willing - without having to go through any dodgy intermediaries.

[Martillo]

I have looked at the BBC Entertainment website in the past but can't really be bothered to sign up to something so limited. No news & no Match of the Day etc. No radio either. Likewise BBC World is not much of a replacement... iPlayer/ITVplayer etc no problem, we have a UK IP address :joyous:

[harpic2]

I've subscribed for around eight years, despite having BBC1..4 and its actually not bad value for money. As I don't need a licence its also a way of paying for the other programming. No news, but BBC World has that. Zero sport (Horray!) Radio is now only on the Internet or 27. But that channel only needs a small dish - I'm using a cheepie from Lidl. The beeb take credit cards over the phone and are helpful and much easier to deal with than sly or C plus. Mind you at one time I had Worldspace just to get BBC World service radio in decent quality :)

[nigela]

As a matter of interest if you realigned your dish to Eutelsat 9a at 9 east are there many other channels in English you could watch? If so are they encrypted or free to air? If they are not free to air is it possible to unscramble them? I think people living in Spain would probably like more than just the 2 English channels. Also I presume all the non ITV, BBC, Channel 4 & 5 will still be locatable on a Freeesat box. eg Pop channels, True movies, horror channel, etc. Has the BBC news channel moved or is that still watchable on a Freesat box?

Just wondered if anyone had any answers to the above ?

[mtv1]

BBC, Sky, satellite & media news for Spain, Portugal and Western Europe. Astra 2E and Astra 2G news. (http://skyinmadrid.com/pages/news.html)

hope this helps ?? :)

[brodev]

I have been told that an Openbox X5 will work with 27.5W, can anyone confirm this. As I have an Openbox V5S can anyone confirm if this will work? I cannot check as I am in UK at the mo.

[digicon]

I have been told that an Openbox X5 will work with 27.5W, can anyone confirm this. As I have an Openbox V5S can anyone confirm if this will work? I cannot check as I am in UK at the mo.

you can check yourself just point your dish at 27.5? west and try it

[brodev]

you can check yourself just point your dish at 27.5? west and try it

I am aware of that but as I am in UK at the mo and my dish is in Portugal it makes it a bit difficult. If someone can confirm that either (a)the X5 works then I can buy one and take it out or (b) more hopefully the V5S works as I have a spare then I can take that out.