Advanced Diagnostics VAG 2014 Software released!

[p1et]

"Advanced Diagnostics are pleased to announce the much anticipated release of VAG 2013 key & remote
programming software for various VAG vehicles worldwide. Additionally, new features have been developed as
part of ADS219.

New Features Include:

Auto Detect - Designed to save you time by identifying the right vehicle automatically when connecting to the vehicle.
This auto detect feature has also been extended across all VAG Software replacing the requirement to select chassis &
engine code.
Pre-coding - This software allows many keys to be programmed for VDO & Magnetti Marelli instrument clusters without
the need for pre-coding on many vehicles. Additionally, the need for pre-coding keys on previous VAG vehicles has been
removed as part of this software (excluding Audi).

new software has been greatly improved with extensive coverage and better functionality. For the few vehicles that
still require pre-coding, a separate antenna is being developed to make the process quicker and easier. This antenna is
expected to be available in March 2014.
As there is an extensive VAG vehicle list, any outstanding vehicles upto 2013 will be added free of charge as the
software is developed.

This Software is initially only available as Beta software on all Pro testers"

https://www.advanced-diagnostics.com/temp/David/VAG_Flyer.pdf

[Fallen]

" a separate antenna is being developed to make the process quicker and easier. This antenna is
expected to be available in March 2014"

Looks like they have stopped trying to flog their dead horse AD900, smart move.

"Pre-coding - This software allows many keys to be programmed for VDO & Magnetti Marelli instrument clusters without
the need for pre-coding on many vehicles. Additionally, the need for pre-coding keys on previous VAG vehicles has been
removed as part of this software (excluding Audi)."

Not sure what is going on here though.
My understanding of this is that they are writing directly to the cluster like AVDI does when using special function instrument CAN but they are not doing any precoding of the transponder.
If it is, this will cause headaches for people later down the track try to reprogram that existing key using the conventional method (like Golf 6 does with AVDI now).

[nazz2]

I Just ordered mine, will post results when i get a car, theres an aerial which is sold separately, and is comming out in march, mainly for audi cars.
PS. the only disadvanage at the moment is ,it only works on marrelli dash not vdo dashes for a lost key, which a working key is required.

[obdsystems]

OMG are AD re-writting the CS bytes as Abritus's "Lost Key" button does ?????
...which only on dire emergencies should you ever press !!!!!!!! never push that !!!

Every monkey with a token machine will be doing these jobs now :(

[robert81]

im hoping it may be like that
extra antenna plugged to the mvp pro and we will keep key in the antenna like for avdi to write cs into the key. co cs not visible but coded to the key.
however how would we connect antenna to mvp?
another solution -> when we know 6 bytes of cs we could turn ignition on with 6 bytes + antenna hooked up on the key as well to change 7th byte and mvp would check it for us if its correct (via key status).
i may be expecting to much tho.... :)

[whiskeyman]

as much as i seem to dislike ad and sometimes there behind the times
but there stuff works
no false promises
unlike loads of tools out there

[autofan1965]

When it cant do lost key on nec vdo its mean that it is just normal access procedure what use everyone. Dont worry about change cs. What with JCI cluster?

[super jumbe]

I will waite for chinese clone!!!

[obdsystems]

I will waite for chinese clone!!!

Think your'll have a long wait lols
Believe the last one was cos somebody left company ??

[p1et]

Anyone has tested that software? Would be nice to hear some reports. I rarely got people asking for Golf V, not to mention Golf 6 but would be nice to know how it works.

[nazz2]

I tried it on 03 fabia, auto detect works, and 2006 leoan, all ok, it showes vin, and precode data.

[autofan1965]

Fabia 2003 and Leon till 2009 is no challenge there is no precoding required only brand transponder. Problems will be probably with a3 dashboards and some Versions of NEC.

[nazz2]

Thanks autofan, sorry I was just referring to what ad was displaying(precoding where applicable) , luckily no A3 Yet!.

[lunchb0x]

I tried it on 03 fabia, auto detect works, and 2006 leoan, all ok, it showes vin, and precode data.

Does it show you the real precode data or do you have to use it with the AD900?

[rapidlocksmiths]

and whats not clear at present , where it says no need to precode with ad900 as ad100 pro does this itself , is it writing the true CS or is it doing as abrites lost key function does and rewrite cs causing problems with dealers further down the line ?

this is something i would like to be clear on before i use it .

[paul_12345]

and whats not clear at present , where it says no need to precode with ad900 as ad100 pro does this itself , is it writing the true CS or is it doing as abrites lost key function does and rewrite cs causing problems with dealers further down the line ?

this is something i would like to be clear on before i use it .

They must be writing the CS through the ignition, if they are rewriting the CS on car then existing keys wouldn't work.

[p1et]

Elme Tools / Seat Mii 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7yQ02IEZsM)

Here's a video showing key programming for Seat Mii 2013 using that software.

[obdmaster]

Elme Tools / Seat Mii 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7yQ02IEZsM)

Here's a video showing key programming for Seat Mii 2013 using that software.

A 2013 SEAT Mii has a magnetti marrelli UDS cluster. Which abrites has been able to do for the past 2 years by obd even if all keys lost.

Im afraid to say nothing new here as yet.

[totalkey]

If my understanding is correct from ad forum . They using the car barrel antenna to write the Cs info on the chip, this is very clever if is true


Tapatalk

[p1et]

On AD website in training videos there is a new video showing key programming for Skoda Yeti 2013 VDO by Josh Peerlocks. This video is only there, not on youtube.

[keyprogramming]

[QUOTE=totalkey;2244977]If my understanding is correct from ad forum . They using the car barrel antenna to write the Cs info on the chip, this is very clever if is true

Not sure how it does it, but I can confirm it works a treat.
I programmed an additional 3 button remote to a 2011 VW Caddy 1.6TDI
No more messing around pre-coding the TP23 on the AD900.
Just programs straight in when prompted, no 5 minute countdown required.
Chip was standard TP23, not precoded
If you do one, remember to depress the clutch to start the engine.
The only thing you have to do afterwards is set the clock, as this and the trip meter resets to zero during programming.
Can also confirm the KEYDIY VW 5K0-V8, 434 Certification programmed in perfect as well.
This remote is used by a number of new VW models inc the Golf Mk6

[Automat]

Still need pin code?

[p1et]

The AD told us that the earlier VAG models doesn't require precoding anymore excluding Audi. On the Flyer sent to email on the list are Passat CC and Passat Estate but in the Info Quest on AD Website they are in ADS146 category, so that means that we can program key to those cars using ADS219 without precoding the chip as a part of ADS146 like they said? I'm still waiting for some more information. They told us in March the will expand the info about software and also the additional antenna will be available. I hope they keep faith and we will not have to wait longer because the program is available for a month but I still not advertising myself doing those new cars as not sure what exactly cars I can do. But I heard from my friend that his friend tested the program and works excellent at this stage.

[key point]

If my understanding is correct from ad forum . They using the car barrel antenna to write the Cs info on the chip, this is very clever if is true


Tapatalk

I do not see how this is at all possible. Could realy do with answers on exactly how this system is working.

[totalkey]

I do not see how this is at all possible. Could realy do with answers on exactly how this system is working.

This is not my idea!
But in fact transponder must be precoded! And the car antenna is the only possible answer for this issue


Tapatalk

[paul_12345]

I do not see how this is at all possible. Could realy do with answers on exactly how this system is working.

why wouldn't it be possible ??

[keyprogramming]

Still need pin code?
No pin code required if using AUTOMATIC option
Did not try MANUAL option, no point if the AUTOMATIC option works fine.

[keyprogramming]

The AD told us that the earlier VAG models doesn't require precoding anymore excluding Audi. On the Flyer sent to email on the list are Passat CC and Passat Estate but in the Info Quest on AD Website they are in ADS146 category, so that means that we can program key to those cars using ADS219 without precoding the chip as a part of ADS146 like they said? I'm still waiting for some more information. They told us in March the will expand the info about software and also the additional antenna will be available. I hope they keep faith and we will not have to wait longer because the program is available for a month but I still not advertising myself doing those new cars as not sure what exactly cars I can do. But I heard from my friend that his friend tested the program and works excellent at this stage.
Precoding still required on some models like my 2009 VW Caddy

[whiskeyman]

i thought they were bringing out an Ariel ?

[key point]

why wouldn't it be possible ??
how is the ignition aerial going to send CS data to precode the transponder? if this was possible why would every other device need a aerial connected to the hardware to precode ? If this was possible then the AD100pro would not need assistance of the AD900. If this was possible then why are AD bringing out a seperate aerial to attach to the AD for precode.
I would say that the ignition aerial in this situation is not precoding and it is just carrying out its everyday function of reading/ sending data to the immo system. Maybe the AD is rewriting the CS in cluster and ECU.
Just my thoughts.

[paul_12345]

how is the ignition aerial going to send CS data to precode the transponder? if this was possible why would every other device need a aerial connected to the hardware to precode ? If this was possible then the AD100pro would not need assistance of the AD900. If this was possible then why are AD bringing out a seperate aerial to attach to the AD for precode.
I would say that the ignition aerial in this situation is not precoding and it is just carrying out its everyday function of reading/ sending data to the immo system. Maybe the AD is rewriting the CS in cluster and ECU.
Just my thoughts.

As I said if they are rewriting the CS then existing keys would not work.

The CS is not magic, they just need get control to do the commands to precode the transponder in the iginition, so they have obviously have some sort of backdoor which the other tools haven't found, as for the aerial I believe this will only be used on models that they can't do in the ignition, probably doesn't have the same backdoor or function that the others have.

[Fallen]

Remember not long ago, there were some researchers who got a court order handed to them to stop a publication they were about to produce regarding a loop hole in VAG security?
I wonder if this is connected?

[obdsystems]

...in any case, sounds like we'd be daft not to buy an AD now.

time for AVDI to do updates - i'd like to see some bug fixes and made more automatic so i don't have to think lol and that missing Sim 2.1 (??) covered as couldn't do an '00 A3 otherday.

[lunchb0x]

Remember not long ago, there were some researchers who got a court order handed to them to stop a publication they were about to produce regarding a loop hole in VAG security?
I wonder if this is connected?

DO you have any more info on this, I haven't heard about it and wouldn't mind having a read about it. I don't do a lot of VAG cars so it isn't really somthing that I have looked into before but am starting to now.

[H.Wessel]

As I said if they are rewriting the CS then existing keys would not work.

The CS is not magic, they just need get control to do the commands to precode the transponder in the iginition, so they have obviously have some sort of backdoor which the other tools haven't found, as for the aerial I believe this will only be used on models that they can't do in the ignition, probably doesn't have the same backdoor or function that the others have.

You got the point, cars in factory are "loaded" with software in production, no CS precode, would be funny to see the people doing the work looking for each car keys
or using any equipment to prepare TP for the car.

They just plug the equipment in the car and everything is downloaded.

Best regards.
H.W

[ihlocky]

Hi fellow DK members had a call to do lost keys on Golf 6 TSI after making keys plugged in MVP went into Auto Detect identified cluster as UDS all went smoothly until option to delete or program keys went to delete keys as owners keys was stolen then my problem started MVP asked for a valid key in ignition which I did not have tried program keys same result . I had to walk away job for dealers the good news is the system works and works well the problem is identifying the dash before commiting to the as some we can only add key other lost keys .Regards Irvine

[key point]

Golf 6 is a VDO NEC dash which needs a working key to enter service mode or you have to eeprom. Magnetti marelli dash such as on VW UP, Skoda citigo can be done via OBD without a programmed key.

[rapidlocksmiths]

my concern is still no clarification and confirmation that the dealers will still be able to work on and communicate with the vehicles after using the new software , it seems a question no one is answering at present .

[Fallen]

my concern is still no clarification and confirmation that the dealers will still be able to work on and communicate with the vehicles after using the new software , it seems a question no one is answering at present .

I added an extra key to mark 6 golf, everything worked perfect.
A couple of months later the car had to go to the dealer for something unrelated and they tried to program back in the key I supplied.
It took them 3 days to get the car running again.
It seems whatever avdi does to add the keys it messes with official dealer tools quite badly.

[key point]

I added an extra key to mark 6 golf, everything worked perfect.
A couple of months later the car had to go to the dealer for something unrelated and they tried to program back in the key I supplied.
It took them 3 days to get the car running again.
It seems whatever avdi does to add the keys it messes with official dealer tools quite badly.

AVDI does not change anything in the cars system apart from adding keys.(apart from the no go, not to use lost key button)
The problem is that the dealers tool/system does not recognise the keys added by the AVDI or any other non dealer tool apart from its own. This in my book is a problem with the dealer tool/system and not the AVDI.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i agree derrick with regards avdi , what im unsure about is the new AD 2014 software , i noticed that you have asked them as has others if it alters cs and if dealer tools can still communicate with car afterwards , and so far the question has remained unanswered , it would be good to have clarification so we can make the decision to use it or not .

for now i stay with avdi as doesnt change cs if adding a key.

a friend of ours is in a legal wrangle with VW at present as he had done a job and changed cs , customer needed a new steering lock but dealers couldnt talk to car and put it to sleep , luckily he had the opportunity to go back to it at dealers , he restored it with avdi as had dumps , but he is still being sued for a tidy sum by the customer for the bill from the main dealers .

[key point]

This is my point. Anyone with any sence has got to know what the software is doing to the cars system. Just like you should never press the all keys lost button on the AVDI otherwise you are responsable for actualy causing system changes / damage to the vehicle.
The fact that the VAG dealer tool / internet programming system does not recognise a key that it has not added is their problem and not a problem with the car.

[rapidlocksmiths]

agreed , but if ad wont answer the question so we know for sure , it makes it hard even reckless for anyone to use the new software until we know what it is doing .

im maybe over cautious , but the silence and the fact that the question goes unanswered leaves me asking why , as its a simple question.

[obdsystems]

hell with main-dealer. they counldn't give a damn about freedom of the market place. its the same for garages. Automotive market can not be treated as only OEM.

Well, rapid and others, we will see what AD have to offer. If they are indeed re-writing the CS then they will pay in reputation once software is out.

Anyway, we will see - its a good marketing strategy so far as we're all talking about them !!

[rapidlocksmiths]

we all talk about all new software , but it is an important question that has been asked that requires just a simple answer , armed with the factual info the individual can make up their own mind on whether to use on some cars or not or how to word their disclaimers.

[lunchb0x]

i agree derrick with regards avdi , what im unsure about is the new AD 2014 software , i noticed that you have asked them as has others if it alters cs and if dealer tools can still communicate with car afterwards , and so far the question has remained unanswered , it would be good to have clarification so we can make the decision to use it or not .

for now i stay with avdi as doesnt change cs if adding a key.

a friend of ours is in a legal wrangle with VW at present as he had done a job and changed cs , customer needed a new steering lock but dealers couldnt talk to car and put it to sleep , luckily he had the opportunity to go back to it at dealers , he restored it with avdi as had dumps , but he is still being sued for a tidy sum by the customer for the bill from the main dealers .


They are doing a good job at avoiding the question aren't they. I don't know if it's because they have come up with some special way of doing it and they don't want to hint it to the other tool makers or they just feel that they don't have to explain themselves... I'm thinking the later..

Like a lot of other Lockies out there, I don't want to use the new VAG software from AD until I know what it is doing. I'm not asking them to explain there secret. All they have to do is say "Our new software won't interfere with the car or dealers" or "After you touch it the dealer has no chance"

[key point]

They are doing a good job at avoiding the question aren't they. I don't know if it's because they have come up with some special way of doing it and they don't want to hint it to the other tool makers or they just feel that they don't have to explain themselves... I'm thinking the later..

Like a lot of other Lockies out there, I don't want to use the new VAG software from AD until I know what it is doing. I'm not asking them to explain there secret. All they have to do is say "Our new software won't interfere with the car or dealers" or "After you touch it the dealer has no chance"

I would say that whatever the question is providing its valid, should be answered. Its about RESPECT for the customer (us). Too many distribitors / manufacturers only show any form of respect whilst you are lining their pockets, then it all suddenly disapears.

[H.Wessel]

hi

The only problem with oficial (dealer) system is that they keep track of everything made on the car,
when a key is added "not oficialy" is not recorder on the online gecko system, so obviously the system refuse to learn it later.

Just as simple at that, they stop themselfves.

When clicking "all key lost" relevant inmo data is randomly changed, which prevents online system to access car security
on regular dealer diagnostics licence.

So, first problem had been intencionaly caused by factory to create trouble with customer paying "non-official" service.

Best regards
H.W

[key point]

Anyone please correct me if i am wrong.
In the UK to stop dealers cornering the market the law says that, Dealer warranty allows any VAT registered companies to carry out work on vehicles providing they are using genuine parts.
The part we are talking about is the genuine ID48 transponder, which is the same transponder used by VAG.
Therefore it is a genuine / official part and like said before and as H Wessel outlined, the only problem is the dealers tools capabilities.

[foxtec800]

Block exemption law is still in force in the Uk, but its due to expire not exactly sure when, next year i think
part of it allows independant Vat registered garages to perform all necessary servicing and repairs to vehicles in warranty period
without effecting manufacturers warranty, conditions are that the work is carried out to manufacturers spec and parts used are oe OR exceed
manufactures specification ...

[rapidlocksmiths]

Again i agree , our tools are more efficient than theres , as was proved with the lockie who went back to the car at the dealers , restored dumps and woke the car back up after the dealer had put it to sleep , the dealer kit could do nothing , the lockies kit made the car a runner again , but despite this he is still facing expensive legal action with the customer over the dealers bill .
the dealer has claimed that on some models they cannot even change the brakes if the cs is changed as some of these need to be electronicaly released via diag , in changing access to the car we are leaving the customer with a car that can never be repaired again without great expense on their part .

when they as the recognised expert state that the new key has caused the issue , making the expensive work necessary , we have to ask who the court or trading standards will side with and whom they will believe as the most viable expert , then decide if we take the risk.

as we are aware of what will happen if we change the cs with regards dealer equipment , if we do so without warning the customer and making it their choice are we in right or would we be deemed to be in wrong ? who in our nancy courts would the court believe to be right , the dealer who says had the cs not been altered any dealer or any garage with dealer tool could do the work simply on the car , but as altered only locksmiths with this other kit can now talk to car so only they can work on it as locked dealer tools out .
it would be interesting to see where the courts would side on this , though i wouldnt like to be the guinea pig for this.

so prefering caution over risk , i cant use the new ad software until i know , im old school and believe when ive done a job i have done a good job leaving my customer with a valid solution and not a potentially expensive later problem .

the dealers not being able to reprogram our keys we can defend as we can program ours and theirs simply and quickly , we can show this to be their kit lacking as we cause no other issues , but to totally lock out a dealer machine from all functions could well be deemed another thing entirely .

[lunchb0x]

I agree about not wanting to cut keys to the car if it is going to cause issues later down the track. But here in Australia it can take a couple of weeks for the dealer to get a new key in, the customer should not be without a car for this long if they have had their key lost or stolen. I think it is fair saying that the issue is with the dealer tool not us. But I guess that the customers should be made aware of this possible issue.

[rapidlocksmiths]

in uk courts these days common sense is short on ground , its a lottery these days as to which way they will lean . it will all come down to whom they percieve as the most credible expert testimony , the lockie or vw , their findings will be based on the testimony of whom they percieve to be the expert and whose testimony is deemed to be most valid as an expert .

personally i prefer to avoid such potentially financial crippling situations , the solutions are for me simple , either dont use software or procedures that can cause this , or explain the potential issues to the customer and have them sign a disclaimer stating that they are aware of and fully understand the potential issues and take responsability should they arise and instruct you to carry out the job at their own risk.

you can never guess which way the law will side , so better to cover your backside from the outset .

if we know we can make our own judgement , but the questions shouldnt go unanswered , i bet we have all clicked terms and conditions without reading them when downloading softwares and using kit that removes manufacturers from any blame , leaving potential legal issues firmly at our own doors .

[H.Wessel]

hi

One note about dealer, they are only limited by the funcionality level they running on odis, obviously can do whatever they want,
if someone press "all key lost" in the car they can ge given a "new identity".

Both operations are the same, randomly change inmo data, so at this point we find the same problem:
dealer keep track of this operation and keeps online new values, we can?t :)

Best regards
H.W

[p1et]

It seems like AD removed data encryption along with new software update. The tester should now show real bytes for precoding. Did anyone test it?

[nazz2]

I might try the new CS on my Ad 100, and compare it to my avdi soon, i am using my brothers A3 2007 , since he is on holiday,:stung:

[obdsystems]

in uk courts these days common sense is short on ground , its a lottery these days as to which way they will lean . it will all come down to whom they percieve as the most credible expert testimony , the lockie or vw , their findings will be based on the testimony of whom they percieve to be the expert and whose testimony is deemed to be most valid as an expert .

personally i prefer to avoid such potentially financial crippling situations , the solutions are for me simple , either dont use software or procedures that can cause this , or explain the potential issues to the customer and have them sign a disclaimer stating that they are aware of and fully understand the potential issues and take responsability should they arise and instruct you to carry out the job at their own risk.

you can never guess which way the law will side , so better to cover your backside from the outset .

if we know we can make our own judgement , but the questions shouldnt go unanswered , i bet we have all clicked terms and conditions without reading them when downloading softwares and using kit that removes manufacturers from any blame , leaving potential legal issues firmly at our own doors .


wise. i always save the eeprom to reg so can restore if asked for spare, but....


What i hate are dealers have a re-write CS "new identy" if asked to do a stolen key. Its only us who aren't/shouldn't do it. unfair world for us

[drakov]

Its only us who aren't/shouldn't do it.

Ofcourse you can as long as your prepared to pay

[autofan1965]

In this procedure only 6byte from 12 is changed. First 6byte and pin is still orginal and dealer can perfrom all key lost, he is unable only add new key to existing(Because 6byte dont match in his database).

[ninja123]

so what if we keep new CS and if the crap hits the fan, give this info to the dealer? Even charge them for it, just the same as they charge us :)

ninja

[obdsystems]

I've not use "Lost Key" option but ninja is right. Does AVDI show its replacement CS ?
Or as thread about AD, does it show replacement CS ?

People don't give a damn if can restore to state before we touched car ????
Then no worries :)

No legal worries - just say do u want it restored to no keys sir/madam !!

[nazz2]

Unfortunately the CS change with regards to the key programming,its not the only issue, when the car goes to the dealer, lets say for parts replacements, or adaptation, how is the dealer tool is going to react?

[ninja123]

ok, I see it like this - YOU buy a car, ok, it has a w'tee, but YOU are the owner of that car, NOT DEALER or MANUFACTURER, and if they CANT fix the cars that THEY make, how on earth is it your fault?

When the dealer says 10 days to replace your lost key, and you find someone who does it same day for less cost, and car works perfect, as it did before key loss, then I find it impossible to believe that any court in the land would even consider listening to a case of this nature.

In fact, I think the dealers should be in the dock, for ripping off customers for price of all new ECU's when a REAL PRO like us guys can do job in a few mins for a reasonable fee - THEY MADE THE CARS THIS WAY, THEIR PROBLEM - unless they start to just rent you a car, so then it still belongs to them??

I never agree to work on a lease vehicle, unless I get written permission from whoever owns it, I think this is when we may get in a stcky situ

ninja

[rapidlocksmiths]

the law is fickle and often logic and common sense play no part in it . at the end of the day in a civil case such as this it will come down to just a few factors

1) whose expert testimony is believed to be most relevent
2) who the judge deliberating believes
3) who has the best barristers and most money

face it VAG for instance have the resources to keep a case bubbling for years and the barristers to keep a case active and expensive , enough to financially cripple the average self employed locksmith who could not afford such proceedings , they can pay for top witnesses and evidence to support their case .

this is why all software manufacturers have a disclaimer in their terms and conditions , exhonerating them of any blame or involvement in any such case , you use the kit at your own risk at end of day.

personally id rather not take unnecessary risks , as i have no faith in the civil legal system , as even if you win it can be tied up in costly appeals for many years , some fights can be won without winning , just bankrupt your foe .

No one would be deemed to be a better expert witness than a top boffin at vag under the current criteria for an expert witness .

never believe that english law is just and gets it right .

[obdsystems]

true.
Best coverage - be a limited company.
Or have a good wife and everything in her name lol
Or go bust ever couple of years with another company with same name but "UK" inserted.

Anything but getting into legal row - it'll bankrupt you !!


Its a bastard running a small company. We don't notice it so much being sole traders. Dog eat dog world u lot

I learned all this after a bent locksmith who now/did teache the RAC


Saying all this, is there a way to restore the CS bytes ???
If so, then legal battle could be avoided ??

[rapidlocksmiths]

that is exactly what a friend of mine did , he was contracting for a large company who told him to change cs as keys had been stolen , so change cs he did as advised by those contracting to him . luckily before he did this he removed read the systems eeprom first .

when the shit hit fan when dealer couldnt replace a steering lock and blamed the aftermarket key and quoted nearly 5k to rectify this , the major company subbing the job didnt want to know and left my friend out to dry , he went back to it and restored it to the old cs , he killed his key in doing so , but the dealer was able to change steering lock and code in new keys again .

it is still ongoing as dealer wants my friend to pay for the 3 steering locks they failed to adapt as they say they cant be reused and theres labour time etc they want him to pay to .

some vag models require diagnostics to do simple jobs like release worn brake pads , so a big issue for them , they should buy better kit

[ninja123]

@steve - care to share the name of said locksmith who had you over? PM is good too :)

ninja

[nazz2]

An update as promised, myad100 and avdi gave same precoding data, but not the last 7th bite, which i read from the key by tag tool, so the encription is off!

[p1et]

That's great info. Big thanks for checking that :)

[obdsystems]

@steve - care to share the name of said locksmith who had you over? PM is good too :)

ninja

Albert Daniel Harte



On another note guys is the AD100 Pro then doing a AVDI "Lost key" thing by default ?

That's terrible if so !!

[nazz2]

I think it has its limitation, like avdi, some required a working key, i will look at the list of "working key is required" and post here when i get few minutes, but yes this tool is top notch at the mo, for the price, and its much faster than avdi.

An example, did a lost key on passat 2011, the guy bought a dealer key, turned ignition on with adc 187, read pin code, removed adc 187, the car was identified automatically, access gained with the pulled pin, 5 minutes wait, followed the procedure, key got programmed, after that i programmed the remote bit, also easy.

[labusas]

Hi Nazz2. Is ADC187 a advanced diagnostics product? It's not on their page? and does it work as a standalone cable or connects to MVP? Thanks

[nazz2]

Hi mate, you can buy this cable just to bring the ignition on (stand alone), only when you want to pull the pin(when theres no key), i geuss you can also use it on avdi,makes the life much easier. basically you connect this to a specific fuse no. and + batt terminal.

yes ,its advanced diagnostic product.

[austingreen]

Chinese release ODIS V2.0.2, anyone test it? what models / features it add?

[p1et]

An update as promised, myad100 and avdi gave same precoding data, but not the last 7th bite, which i read from the key by tag tool, so the encription is off!

I tried today my AD100pro on VW Touran 2008, I updated the tester to the newest version before going to the car. Pin code and precoding data pulled but Tango failed to find 7th byte from working key.

I have 11.87 version loaded (newest) and AD newsletter says this encryption is off since 11.71.

What might be the problem?

Maybe removed encryption is part of ADS219 software? I will try twith MVP then, cause don't have it on AD100pro.

[nazz2]

yes, without the new vag update(paid option), you cant use the new functions!!Its worth having, lots of functions, like auto detect,pin by pass, etc.

[p1et]

Looks like we'll be able to do lost key situation on UDS system with MVP pro and new ADS230 software :)

http://www.silca.biz/media/1392514/v2/File/adc219-cable-ads230-software-brochure.pdf

[paul_12345]

Looks like we'll be able to do lost key situation on UDS system with MVP pro and new ADS230 software :)

http://www.silca.biz/media/1392514/v2/File/adc219-cable-ads230-software-brochure.pdf

So clearly AD have a supervag !