anyone have problems coding vag keys?

[ninja123]

I have had the odd car that I have been unable to code keys to, some seat, some skoda, some vw - all normal id48 systems.

Had a 55 reg ibiza today, just needs a spare key, after mvp and various other programmers failed, used avdi and went through all the motions, and success, ori key started car and new key started car.

customer called back 1 hour later, new key dont start car but ori key works ok.

I have had identical problems a few times and only wat was immo off :(

Anyone know why this is? faulty dash?

ninja

[dmp]

I had a 2005 Jetta 5 (US Spec vehicle) that wouldn't add a spare key. The owner had lost their second original and wanted a backup, I usually do these with SBB as a 2 min job and this one would only erase keys and add the one original. I couldn't get the spare to program directly (CAN chip), I tried precoding it through SVDI, it read and programmed the CS properly (according to SVDI, done others without problem) but the car wouldn't recognize it as a dealer key. The client later found the lost key when the snow defrosted and SBB wouldn't program it in, I could only do erase key and have one of the two originals not both. SVDI programmed both originals as a 2007+ in standard mode, still couldn't add any more keys. The client was fine with the original two working but I was stumped on it.

I figure it could have been something weird that would require disconnecting the battery and discharging all of the capacitors but they were satisfied with just the two keys so I didn't have an opportunity to play more. I couldn't figure out how I could precode the key and it still wouldn't recognize it unless the chip was locked somehow before. (I know lots of people dislike SVDI but I have had success in different VWs, the newest being a 2012 Jetta). I encountered this on a few mk4 tdi's where I had to disconnect the battery and discharge the capacitors and all was good from there.

Ninja, regarding the one key not working, once the immo is disabled (by way of a programmed key) some cars will start no problem with an unprogrammed key for a period of time. I noticed this on a mk4 golf I was troubleshooting a few years ago. I had programmed keys for a client and over a year later (no problems with the the keys) they wanted the SKC to change the dash and I first encountered these issues where things acted really weird and inconsistent. That's when I learned to discharge capacitors on a vag car whenever something is really acting weird. In my experience it's always been a TDI but that could be a coincidence.

[darrenhyland]

Had an 08 Octavia recently which came from a dealer who got a local vw specialist to code a key in with autologic.............the key wouldn't prog and it was sent to my workshop..........tried with zbull and obdf cable but locked me out...........I figured out that the autologic had somehow left the immo in limbo as the dash said 1-2 meaning it was waiting on a second key.........could not for the world get it to go so I got cs the hard way and cycled the precoded second key and hey presto it worked!!

[ninja123]

funny that, all the problem ones ive had have been diesel models too.

I will discharge when i go back tomorrow and report back.

Otherwise its immo off again :)

And a 2005 seat ibiza dont have any component security (to my knowledge) so should be no need to precode keys.

ninja

[dmp]

It shouldn't need to precode but it will have CS - the ignition will program it and lock the virgin chip the first time it is programmed.

Maybe there's something with the diesels that we just have to discharge and all will be good! Anyone else experience this phenomenon?

[robert81]

never had any problems with coding with k-line cars. had few issues with pin reading.
but had 2 seat leon mk2 (non CS) which took me over and hour to get spare done and had 1 A3 which caused a headache and this ended up with off.
i use vcds for coding. i know that some faults in the car can block coding. i always clear ecu, instruments, can gateway from any faults.

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive had the odd vehicle where avdi has not correctly shut down programming for some reason which left the new key not working after 15 minutes of working , but only had this on the odd beetle to date.

[keygargoil]

the ibiza and cordoba clocks are the funniest i have come accross i have had 2 cases where i needed to add the key directly by tango they can lock up and be a pain in the ass also if the crypto key is not aaaa or 0000 on the new key you are programming it will not let you add the key in just get your zed bull or tango out and write aaaa to all pages had a good few where the chip wasnt blank and wouldnt programme at first

[ninja123]

It does seem to be after a certain amount of time, as whilst on scene, this car continued to start ok, even after ign off for over 5 mins, so that rules out passive arming times.

I will check data in id48 but think that will be fine, ill let you know how this goes later.

ninja

[robert81]

Ninja - lock tha car and unlock it. usually its locking procedure which resets thigns. my mate had fabia i think like that. key coded, closed,locked the car, unlocked and the key didnt work any more

[obdsystems]

always something challenging i find -

yeah like martin said - beetle and audi tt which i had to do manually via ross tech instructions. worth doing.

had it where AVDI won't talk to engine ecu ??? where AD will - setup problem

PS. anyone know how to code a new audi ingition swicth?? :)

[ninja123]

Wasn't aware of a manual transponder programming procedure??

ninja

[obdsystems]

Wasn't aware of a manual transponder programming procedure??

ninja

on A3 and A4 i could only do fobs via Ross Tech. and on occasion yeah same for key programming - "adaptions" on Audi

I've printed them all out now :)

PS. E415 electric ignitiion switch doesn't need coding. But how to re-use 4F (IE8E) fobs!! :)

[ttzag]

Hi
Yesterday tried to add key for skoda Octavia 2008 , after precoding Id48 with cs VCDS accept the pin and programming the key but car not start ,
Unpluged battery for five minutes and all is ok .


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[haroutioun]

on A3 and A4 i could only do fobs via Ross Tech. and on occasion yeah same for key programming - "adaptions" on Audi

I've printed them all out now :)

PS. E415 electric ignitiion switch doesn't need coding. But how to re-use 4F (IE8E) fobs!! :)
Hello.
Dear friend,about to reuse remote key for A6 or Q7 = 4F,if you have ezs=kesy dump & the remote key for this same ezs,so you can unlock the 8E transponder or remote and u can re-adapt to any another car u wont.

[dmp]

What tools will allow you to unlock the 4F keys (with kessy dump)?


Hello.
Dear friend,about to reuse remote key for A6 or Q7 = 4F,if you have ezs=kesy dump & the remote key for this same ezs,so you can unlock the 8E transponder or remote and u can re-adapt to any another car u wont.

[haroutioun]

What tools will allow you to unlock the 4F keys (with kessy dump)?
Hello.
1) i use to do UNLOCK 8E sokymat,by >>> (ABRITES TAG KEY TOOL)
2) i think tango programmer too can do it unlock for 8E transponder.

[ninja123]

will be very rare to get a used key and the dumps from kessy too.

buy from china, all good :)

ninja

[dmp]

will be very rare to get a used key and the dumps from kessy too.

buy from china, all good :)

ninja

where do you get the remote keys from? Do they work for proximity as well? I need 315mhz and have yet to be able to find any in stock

[haroutioun]

will be very rare to get a used key and the dumps from kessy too.

buy from china, all good :)

ninja
Hello,
Dear friend,about 7 or more mounts ago till now no product = remote controls for Q7 315mhz with 4 bottom in all china, if you know where in china sale,so plz let me know the place,i know just now china work to sale this product.>>> (1). Remote Control Circuit Board for Audi A6L 3 Buttons Remote Key 315MHz (http://www.ecutool.com/Remote-Control-Circuit-Board-for-Audi-A6L-3-Buttons-Remote-Key_10551.html)
(2) & this device + with his remote control but can't program another remote control for Q7 u must buy from the same place u buy this device, Programmers : Car Key Programmer/Key Matching Instrument for Audi A6&Q7 Smart Key (http://www.ecudevice.com/index.php/key-programmers-tools/programmers/car-key-programmer-key-matching-instrument-for-audi-a6-q7-smart-key-3511121-detail)
3) i need to buy 20 pic for now if you now any place.315mhz 4 bottom,now i have in my stock 4 pic full kits original but 433mhz + 868.so just i need USA 315mhz.

[obdsystems]

normally 315 are easier than the europe/uk. these are a bugger these a6 fobs

[haroutioun]

normally 315 are easier than the europe/uk. these are a bugger these a6 fobs
Hello.
1) Dear,for me from 1 year ago till now i don't found remote control for Q7 315mhz with 4 bottom, we always order from dealer by Vin,about European we have a lot.
2) but now i want to try this system,i have many EZS=kessy dump for Q7,so i want to try send to this company Vin number to buy remote control and after unlock it buy dump,to can use it to any Q7.did any body buy from this company product?. Audi OEM Factory Keyless Entry Remotes | Key Fob Remote | Audi Remote Replacement (http://www.keylessremotes4u.com/AUDI-4-BUTTON-FLIP-KEY-IYZ-3314-4F0837220N-NEW-UNCUT-KEYBLADE-278A-P650.aspx)

[gtmech]

the only VW thats never go straight forward for me are the caddy's, always manage to get them sorted but never as easy as the others

[camelgd]

This thread deserves to be bumped up.... Had a 2005 Jetta that I fought all day long, never had much problem with Jetta before as a rule, But this one stumped me. Just going to add a key with the little pin code reader that also programs a lot of 2000-2005 Volkwagen. I have used it before on this exact vehicle,doing the exact same thing. It added the key first time, but dumped original and it would not program back in. Tried again, and my little friend said both succeeded, but then immo light started flashing about a minute later, dumped both, and proceeded to lock up. Battery was getting low, put it on charger, same thing. Showed success, then immo light comes back on. Could not connect with SBB, T300, ISCANCAR, Maxidas 708, Vag tacho 2.5. Let it sit for an hour with key on while I ran a lockout, Got out jumper cables and jumped off my running van, it went into programming mode, and I was able to add back original key, but not my duplicate. The inconsistency can be explained a little by low battery, but not all of it. Why couldn't Iscancar connect, I tried several different systems, no connection. Anybody ever use this tool much on the older VW? I hate VW inconsistency- cars should not have individual personal identities.:giveup::vollkommenauf:

[techterr]

The biggest problem I have had lately with the 00-05 VW's has been customers who call and say that there immo light is blinking and the key needs to be reprogrammed.. I ask if they have changed any modules on the car such as the cluster or the ECM, they say nooooo... Get to the car and check the vins of the modules with VCDS and guess what, somebody replaced a module.... The best one lately has been a (tunner) who thought he could write a 2.0 audi A4 flash to a 07 GTI ECM.. and that it would work.... Tried to adapt a used ECM into the car, but the cluster was so pissed off it wouldn't allow it... read the immo dat from the cluster with AVDI and then put a 06 jetta cluster in the car and wrote the immo data to it.. programmed a key to the cluster then hooked up the used ECM and adapted it to the jetta cluster with the GTI immo data, then was able to put the original GTI cluster back in and it like the use ECM... Told the (tunner) next time read the data, then change it and write it back... I'm with Camelgd, these cars are different and have there own personalities....
Take care,
Tim

[viw9419]

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