Best PSA Pin by OBD tool? Smok / FVDI / PSA BSI TOOL

[estate]

Which one? Coverage from 05-12 would be nice.

[stevan]

Smoke is best

[54321]

Definitely not the FVDI unless you want to kill some bsi's

[soxten]

Smoke or x-tool 2015 update


Christian Johansson via Iphone 5s

[ecumix]

I wonder also buying the programmer to the BSI ..(read eeprom ,flash, pin)


which is the best ...smok tool?

[obdsystems]

estate mate you are a cheap skate - hope u buy fvdi n kill some bsi lol

[whiskeyman]

any bad experience with smoke tool?
how you compare to abrites pin read?

am torn between the 2 at moment which one to get?

[soxten]

Smoke work perfect!
On any tool as reading bsi, use extra power to battery in/on car you reading


Christian Johansson via Iphone 5s

[ninja123]

original AVDI, but still fails on the odd model/year/bsi combination - had bad experience with smok tools in the past.

ninja

[ecumix]

I see that in his opinion are divided will be hard for me to not decide what to buy?


Maybe even have any opinions on the smok tool?

[whiskeyman]

Ok so smoke mention few times
say a car goes tits up
how good are they with support

[simaservis1108]

For a CAN cars,consider PSAI2EMU.
You need working key,but is a safe solution.

[ninja123]

Ok so smoke mention few times
say a car goes tits up
how good are they with support

when smok goes wrong = NO SUPPORT

TRIED AND TESTED BY ME

ninja

[autofan1965]

When AVDI goes wrong = bug is not fixed/customer is blacklisted.
Tried and testedy by myself:)

[whiskeyman]

So basically
both these company's suck
hate how we buy tools
then turn into testers
and we to foot the bill if goes wrong and no support
only industry I know gets away with it

and all slag Chinese for no support
when none available for genuine tools

[ninja123]

I agree, the developers in this industry get away with murder - how can you sell an item that says it will do all keys lost on cas 3+, but dont work?

If this was the case in any other industry, they would be strung up.

But looks like we have come to expect this, and live with it, in the hope that all will be rectified.

ps - at least KAP reply, SMOK complete silence.

[autofan1965]

Tools from smok have bigger working rate as AVDI, you have just no luck with you first tool from him ninja.

[Faraday]

From my experience- smok is making very good tools and support is ok. I had problem with my interface and he solved in 24h

[jacostanzo]

I bought smok tool a 1 week ago, I have tried read pin in two cars without success...

First was Citroen C4 from 2005 with Jonson Control No Crypto BSI, tool says "model not supported by OBD" smok support says that this BSI is no supported as they says at the specifications "Jonson Control No Crypto (not all models supported)" - OK

Yesterday I tried on Citroen C4 picasso from 2007, with Jonson Control Crypto BSI, at the specifiactions says "Jonson Control Crypto (all version)", after flashing BSI that takes about 10 min, says model not supported by OBD, no answer from support until now. At least didn't kill BSI....

So until now I don't have good opinion about smok PSA

[paul_12345]

I bought smok tool a 1 week ago, I have tried read pin in two cars without success...

First was Citroen C4 from 2005 with Jonson Control No Crypto BSI, tool says "model not supported by OBD" smok support says that this BSI is no supported as they says at the specifications "Jonson Control No Crypto (not all models supported)" - OK

Yesterday I tried on Citroen C4 picasso from 2007, with Jonson Control Crypto BSI, at the specifiactions says "Jonson Control Crypto (all version)", after flashing BSI that takes about 10 min, says model not supported by OBD, no answer from support until now. At least didn't kill BSI....

So until now I don't have good opinion about smok PSA

is there an option to read/save the eprom??

[jacostanzo]

You must buy this option. If only buy Pin reading, can't read eprom.

[autofan1965]

is there an option to read/save the eprom??

Its depend from bsi type.

[flasch14]

smok UHDS works percect,jonson controls write km fast opcion 5-7 minute....elprosys DP3 working from 30 to 50 minutes

[tziku]

Smok bad support, never answer me.
Last black-ball for smok was a C5 2011 1.6 hdi , after save flash ( my safety measure ) then i "Write Fast KM" then save again flash. Car start-stop function not working. Tryed to disconnect battery, write back "my safety measure flash" which was different from dump saved by "Write fast km". I verify with diagbox and start-stop function is active on BSI. Car was at dealer, dealer asserting that problem is from BSI . Car start-stop function not solved yet.

[Siham]

For what it worth , SMOK as been cloned !!!!

[autofan1965]

What you mean?

[Siham]

I mean , i saw in another automotive forum that smok as been cloned by est-european peoples , and seams to be ok.

[soxten]

If you can, save eeprom and flash and mail them so they get info and having a chans to update tool.
Bsi units are a hell and many types of bsi systems.

[paul_12345]

I mean , i saw in another automotive forum that smok as been cloned by est-european peoples , and seams to be ok.

what the old interface or new??

[H.Wessel]

what the old interface or new??
Old one cable

[Mario3]

yeah that is nothing new that the old one has been cloned, its almost 2 years since i know that there is a clone of xcan vag. I heard that this is the reason why UHDS came to live, cant be cloned. for now..

[DottoreBL]

AVDI work perfect on Can Bus PSA

[keyprogramming]

Now available on AD100Pro, but needs Smart Dongle.
Only works on Valeo systems now, future update for Johnson systems

[sparkz02]

I purchased this smok pin reading haven't had a chance to test, so far support seems ok, my tool locked and got unlocked with a few hours.

As for smok mileage psa and dp3, i think its roughly same league, dp3 has improved writing time to 7mins for most BSI's. DP3 is always slightly ahead. e.g. 308 fully obd etc.

The only tool you get good support is hickleys/AD products.

[soxten]

Smoke have som problem on BSI
JC and Valeo BSI it read flash but don't read Eeprom.

On Siemens it read Eeprom and flash BUT dont write flash correct back or to clone.
And flash it dont support to read flash back or to clone.

Not good!!!

[Faraday]

Smoke have som problem on BSI
JC and Valeo BSI it read flash but don't read Eeprom.

On Siemens it read Eeprom and flash BUT dont write flash correct back or to clone.
And flash it dont support to read flash back or to clone.

Not good!!!

you mean bsi-psa UHDS? I thought it's the best tool on the market for bsi

[soxten]

Correct Faraday
I notice this today when i try BSI on bench.
I have try JC/Valeo/Siemens.
8-10pc from diffrens cars here.

[whiskeyman]

For a CAN cars,consider PSAI2EMU.
You need working key,but is a safe solution.
Where you get this tool

[paul_12345]

Where you get this tool

you can not buy it anymore.. it was about ?65 on ebay but they sold the project to http://www.thediagnosticbox.com/ thats what the seller told me

looks like psa-com can now do it the way PSAI2EMU does, as well as doing service mode on some bsi's

[sparkz02]

My SMOK hasn't been good so far out of 3/4 attempts to read pin only managed 1 pin.

[whiskeyman]

My SMOK hasn't been good so far out of 3/4 attempts to read pin only managed 1 pin.

seem to hear different results

[paul_12345]

seem to hear different results

seems to be a massive difference with smok between mileage and pin reading

[sparkz02]

indeed i think if you have mileage package then you can read eeprom and decode pin that way around.

[Smoky11]

i buy smok by mb liscense 1300euro before one year ago, i have not finish any job by this tool until now