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Apsik
11th May, 2015, 12:53 AM
Hi

I'm looking for someone who knows where/how to change the DSG clutch pressure.
Stock is around 12bar
I have seen log files with 14bar and 16bar
DQ250 holding over 580Nm

Tanks in advance

Apsik
15th May, 2015, 07:03 AM
Noone? It can't be that complicated.

soxten
15th May, 2015, 07:42 AM
I?m interested how to adjust this, please if someone know plz share.

RaraK
15th May, 2015, 12:57 PM
you can manage ~14bar limits on dq250 as ive seen without some custom modification to make it go higher.

Apsik
15th May, 2015, 02:07 PM
you can manage ~14bar limits on dq250 as ive seen without some custom modification to make it go higher.
I have seen it too ... let's call it: Stage 1 with 14bar
and let's say Stage 2 with 15.8bar

Do you have any info about software modifications/locations. Or what custom mods are necessarily to go above 14bar?

RaraK
15th May, 2015, 02:26 PM
I think issue is lack of a2l for dq250 for me at this point to find out the method to do this. I think there is a hard limit in the software that prevents you from going over ~14bar. So by custom modifications i mean assembly editing. ive tried a ton of things in the data area with no luck :/

atomiczen
15th May, 2015, 09:59 PM
max pressure allowable on stock dsg dq250 it's 30bar with the right file
there's a release pressure valve opening at 32bar

beltronics
16th May, 2015, 08:24 AM
here I leave a ols

ferryjongeleen
19th June, 2016, 09:49 PM
the file is a more pressure file ?

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JimCoupeTQ
11th September, 2016, 05:06 PM
In this OLS fle what adress is the clutch pressure located? Im looking into it now.

Fordprobe
11th September, 2016, 10:12 PM
i checked in alientech maps database and no clutch pressure maps are found...
i think it ajutst clutch pressure automatically as the clutch wears down..

KostasK04
11th September, 2016, 11:54 PM
No, there are clutch pressure maps related

Fordprobe
12th September, 2016, 12:13 PM
i checked on a dsg i have here and pump gives up to 60bar constantly and then valves open to direct fluid to clutch etc but pressure stais the same

icezero2010
13th September, 2016, 02:23 AM
this are all maps you need

Mindest-Hauptdruck beim Zuschie?en

max. Strom f?r max. Kupplungsmoment f?r K1

max. Strom f?r max. Kupplungsmoment f?r K2

Sollstrom fuer Hauptdruckventil

Maximaler Hauptdruck

Faktor auf Hauptdruckoffset aus Solldruck

Hauptdruck zum Einlegen der G?nge

JimCoupeTQ
16th September, 2016, 10:05 AM
Thanks ice zero we?ll check that out.. ! Im going to test on my unit and report back

Fordprobe yeah i think thats the case.. I think i have read somewhere that the max pressure on the plate can be around 30bar.. not sure.

JimCoupeTQ
16th September, 2016, 10:32 AM
What about these maps?

Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 2.Gang
Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 3.Gang
Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 4.Gang
Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 5.Gang

JimCoupeTQ
16th September, 2016, 02:51 PM
I tried Temic OLS file for mine but.. seems to be another file cant findcorrect adresses.. hmm

icezero2010
16th September, 2016, 06:30 PM
What about these maps?

Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 2.Gang
Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 3.Gang
Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 4.Gang
Faktor Druck zu Moment am GS 5.Gang

you dont need this maps . for old temic you find the maps easy all factors the same but change 16hi lo to 16 lo hi you must search the maps but this is easy ;-)

JimCoupeTQ
17th September, 2016, 12:37 AM
Haha really.. ill try that.. So what you mean is that i open a map in TEMIC OLS and save it as Lo HI? and then do a search again ?

icezero2010
17th September, 2016, 07:45 AM
Haha really.. ill try that.. So what you mean is that i open a map in TEMIC OLS and save it as Lo HI? and then do a search again ?

look in damos hi lo for the maps and search the values in the old temic file in lo hi

JimCoupeTQ
19th September, 2016, 10:30 AM
Thank it worked.. :) Thats Hillarious.. But if ont tune these maps it will be a pressure based tune.. wouldnt that be the wrong wa to do it?

Im looking after if there is a delay time for the Launch control.... LoL im loosing every race due to when i release the brake it take time for the engine to lauch... Very disturbing... OEM launch suck big time..

icezero2010
19th September, 2016, 01:50 PM
Thank it worked.. :) Thats Hillarious.. But if ont tune these maps it will be a pressure based tune.. wouldnt that be the wrong wa to do it?

Im looking after if there is a delay time for the Launch control.... LoL im loosing every race due to when i release the brake it take time for the engine to lauch... Very disturbing... OEM launch suck big time..



change the trq output in engine ecu ;-)

the trq limit in dsg not more than 500nm

i think that help

another solution is disable the ori launch set the lc rpm over 8000RPM and make lc in engine unit

JimCoupeTQ
19th September, 2016, 09:10 PM
Heheh oke.. you mean skip the DSG?s launch and do it in the ECU.. :-)

icezero2010
20th September, 2016, 11:20 AM
Heheh oke.. you mean skip the DSG?s launch and do it in the ECU.. :-)

yes thats correct

but you must do it manual

you must skip clutch in code but its easy

LSWismar
23rd November, 2016, 05:03 PM
Hi can someone help at the new Golf7 GTI with the DSG.
I have a stage I but it is not enough.
At the Engine ist Stage III (with Downpipe ....... )
I need Stage II or Stage III for the DQ250
The car is 09/2016
411633

Thanks

icezero2010
23rd November, 2016, 05:59 PM
Hi can someone help at the new Golf7 GTI with the DSG.
I have a stage I but it is not enough.
At the Engine ist Stage III (with Downpipe ....... )
I need Stage II or Stage III for the DQ250
The car is 09/2016
411633

Thanks

if u have one stage III you can post it here. here are many people who want it for free

in the new dsg is nothing other than earlier dsg all the same way. use your brain and you found a solution :-)


and without your tuning file and see no logs from the car trq output nobody can do it correct.

the engine ecu give a trq out and the Dsg use this but the dsg check this and calculate the trq by self .

purepower
17th December, 2016, 02:53 PM
Thank it worked.. :) Thats Hillarious.. But if ont tune these maps it will be a pressure based tune.. wouldnt that be the wrong wa to do it?

Im looking after if there is a delay time for the Launch control.... LoL im loosing every race due to when i release the brake it take time for the engine to lauch... Very disturbing... OEM launch suck big time..


Hi,

I need to increase the pressure on my clutches as well but I can't find the address.
Could you show us where is exactly located the bit please?

Thanks.

purepower
19th December, 2016, 10:55 AM
Hi,

How many mAmps did you increased to the max strom kummpungsmoment? How much did you set the pressure on Maximaler Hauptdruck. And about torque limiters? Did you remove it?
Because I have my car with more than 600Nm of torque and clutches are slipping at 12 bars. I think the DSG open voluntary the clutches to reduce the torque.

What do you think?

Thanks.

admirid
19th December, 2016, 10:14 PM
hi can somebody check this DSG remap in attachment is ORI and REMAP Lauch Control activated and some modification, can somebody do more on this DSG remap in wich stage is remaped this DSG ???



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Act Tuning
19th December, 2016, 10:41 PM
hi can somebody check this DSG remap in attachment is ORI and REMAP Lauch Control activated and some modification, can somebody do more on this DSG remap in wich stage is remaped this DSG ???



416514

You mod is set to 500Nm, rpm reduced by 200 rpm, and lc raised to 2400rpm, what more you want to tune on it ??

admirid
19th December, 2016, 10:49 PM
what about gear shift time can be change for fast shift change ?? :$

icezero2010
20th December, 2016, 11:49 AM
Hi,

How many mAmps did you increased to the max strom kummpungsmoment? How much did you set the pressure on Maximaler Hauptdruck. And about torque limiters? Did you remove it?
Because I have my car with more than 600Nm of torque and clutches are slipping at 12 bars. I think the DSG open voluntary the clutches to reduce the torque.

What do you think?

Thanks.

check KzuPHauptMin_ko
KusIMax_ko[K1]
KusIMax_ko[K2]
GsaAdaptEingDurchpHaupt_ko
HdrPHauptZuI_kf_z
i think this is enough

teobolo
14th January, 2017, 04:44 PM
Hi to all ..it is my first post here ,although i read this forun a lot .
I have almost the same problem with a dq250 tcu file (Exx series ) .I have raised the above maps but the maximum clutch pressure i get is 13.03 bar, i have raised tq limiters,i have make shift time way faster and some other functios but i wan to raise clutch pressure . The car is making near 520-540nm according to vcds ...So any more info about the above maps or if there is anything else i have to do in order to see above 14bar or even better 16bar is kindly welcomed . I attach photos from the maps listed above and how i have scaled them.

I m open to all suggestions

Regards

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teobolo
16th January, 2017, 11:08 AM
Anyone ? any opinon?

Powernutty
18th August, 2017, 07:40 PM
I'm wanting to raise mine what interface and lead do i need

cortez777
23rd October, 2017, 10:45 PM
why i can't download ols file?

icezero2010
24th October, 2017, 03:52 PM
for all with cmd kess no way to raise clutch pressure
only with byteshooter and sheepshooter it work great :-)
some code must modified

Overtune
1st November, 2017, 02:29 PM
Hi i can increase clutch pressure on DQ250 up to 16bar.
It's only proper tuning, nothing more.

icezero2010
1st November, 2017, 06:16 PM
than show me your solution i can do it only with implement code

mercsprint
7th November, 2017, 01:24 AM
My understanding is that the N215 & N216 clutch valve needs to be modified, but where they are? The main valve map is not enough I think.

Chris75
31st December, 2017, 01:16 PM
Don't forget this map "Daten Moment zu Hauptdruck KL" It converts the torque to pressure, so check "Stuetzstelle Moment zu Hauptdruck KL".
Regards Chris

daynight
8th January, 2018, 10:43 AM
for all with cmd kess no way to raise clutch pressure
only with byteshooter and sheepshooter it work great :-)
some code must modified

What you mean with this?

icezero2010
8th January, 2018, 12:02 PM
What you mean with this?

after some tests i have also a solution for kess and cmd obd write :-)

up to 18,5 bar

daynight
8th January, 2018, 12:48 PM
I use X17 magic by OBD, but i never tried with kess. What is the problem in kess? Writing partial?

Do you have a skype?

icezero2010
8th January, 2018, 01:11 PM
X17 work also obd yes Write Partial

daynight
8th January, 2018, 01:12 PM
Yes clutch pressure maps are in second block, but only in some version. Some active in first. Also final torque limiters. You switched software blocks from second ti the first :) Very interested how... i never tried to change this.

icezero2010
8th January, 2018, 01:16 PM
Yes clutch pressure maps are in second block, but only in some version. Some active in first. Also final torque limiters. You switched software blocks from second ti the first :) Very interested how... i never tried to change this.


You must change the coding :) than it works fine

daynight
8th January, 2018, 01:17 PM
You must change the coding :) than it works fine


Tell me your skype :) Вe may be useful!

sonique
23rd March, 2018, 11:32 PM
kess maybe only old dq250 read parital obd
direct read file same sgo converted file not parital

vinz974
9th June, 2018, 08:35 PM
Hi, i ve modified clutch pressure to 18 bar for stage 3 hybrid turbo on my mqb.
I need to raise value on « Strom in ma », Stock value is 1750 for 12 bars.
Could you tell me the exact value for 18 bars ?
Regards

Khendal
7th April, 2019, 02:22 AM
this are all maps you need

Mindest-Hauptdruck beim Zuschie?en

max. Strom f?r max. Kupplungsmoment f?r K1

max. Strom f?r max. Kupplungsmoment f?r K2

Sollstrom fuer Hauptdruckventil

Maximaler Hauptdruck

Faktor auf Hauptdruckoffset aus Solldruck

Hauptdruck zum Einlegen der G?nge
I've found all maps... but can someone explain what they do ?
- Minimum main pressure when shooting : from 12bar -> to much more... right?
- max current for max clutch torque for k1-k2: from 1400mA -> much more mA till ?
- Target current for main pressure valve: how does it works this map ?
- maximum main pressure: increase over 20bar?
- Factor on main pressure offset from target pressure: how does it works this map?
- Main pressure for insertion: increase pressure bar i can magine :)


change the trq output in engine ecu ;-)

the trq limit in dsg not more than 500nm

i think that help

another solution is disable the ori launch set the lc rpm over 8000RPM and make lc in engine unit
Here other question...for clucth pressure increase... change the trq output in engine ecu ? But which map are you talking about?
In dsg also if you have more then 500nm...better to not increase over...for clutch pressure?

Thanks in advance.

icezero2010
7th April, 2019, 11:34 AM
I've found all maps... but can someone explain what they do ?
- Minimum main pressure when shooting : from 12bar -> to much more... right?
- max current for max clutch torque for k1-k2: from 1400mA -> much more mA till ?
- Target current for main pressure valve: how does it works this map ?
- maximum main pressure: increase over 20bar?
- Factor on main pressure offset from target pressure: how does it works this map?
- Main pressure for insertion: increase pressure bar i can magine :)


Here other question...for clucth pressure increase... change the trq output in engine ecu ? But which map are you talking about?
In dsg also if you have more then 500nm...better to not increase over...for clutch pressure?

Thanks in advance.

with normal tools you need some more ;-) use your brain or buy a file from tuner tvs is a good adress

Khendal
8th April, 2019, 10:20 PM
with normal tools you need some more ;-) use your brain or buy a file from tuner tvs is a good adress
I don't understand your answer.
Is it possible to get more info about this thread ?

Fitocar
3rd May, 2019, 03:16 AM
Hi Icezero2010, please can you tell me how to modified with kess and cmd. I need 18.5 bar in my dq 250. Thank you.