Major new release by a European manufacturer on monday 18th may 2015

[rapidlocksmiths]

There is a major new product release by one of the biggest european manufacturers on monday 18th may 2015 that i think will be discussed alot on the forum , as soon as they have made their worldwide announcement , one of their uk distributors Tradelocks will be making their own announcement on the product to include its costs , coverage and any release specials and will be doing demo on this at their open weekend next month in manchester which is free to attend.

Ive been beta testing the product for the past few months and so far have had no failures on what it covers , its performed well in tests for me and worldwide im told.

i cant say more until after tomorrows worldwide announcement by the manufacturer as under a strict NDA , it wont suit everyone in the industry but for some it will be a wanted addition to what they do .

after the announcement im free to talk about the testing results , so will post more after this .

[Weasel3]

Can we take a guess?:) Developer - Brand - and make.
Via Tradelocks!
I guess lishi picks - which reads out the key code directly. Without picking. I think I read something about this on HU92 Lishi post. Maybe for even more brands as well?

[whiskeyman]

hope its not cloning id48

[Weasel3]

Wait! It was European. Can't be Lishi then.

[autofan1965]

Can we take a guess?:) Developer - Brand - and make.
Via Tradelocks!
I guess lishi picks - which reads out the key code directly. Without picking. I think I read something about this on HU92 Lishi post. Maybe for even more brands as well?

This solution is very likely.

[simaservis1108]

I think it is something about Keyline...

[Meat-Head]

There is a major new product release

after the announcement im free to talk about the testing results , so will post more after this .

1) Will be any use on a 1983 Ford Capri?
2) Will be any good on a East German travant?
3) Does it help any body that has snapped there shed padlock key
In their only door lock on a MK II Clio?

Thankssssss

[robert81]

hopefully its not about id48 or 80 bytes cloning.

[rapidlocksmiths]

its not lishi no , and no good on an old shed key or a classic capri or a clio come to that .

i cant say more as will have my testicles removed with a blunt instrument and cooked for a bush tucker trial .

but its fair to say its not a product im thrilled about personally , but some will be .

[drakov]

So it's a key related tool, with decoding abilities that takes the hard work out of the job?

[ninja123]

Oh s#!t, please dont be 48 cloning, this will completely f up this industry for sure!

I doubt its a mechanical key aid, Ii think this will be an electronic advancement of some sorts.

I did see a pretty amazing video on youtube today, involving a late volvo key - Just have to wait for the barrage of emails in the morning :)

ninja

[Meat-Head]

ON OR OFF TOPIC:-

Vic my imaganary friend Tweeted the other day about no end of late MK II Ford Focuses with the proxy key going missing, get the parts off eBay ?? Brick window, 20 seconds, via OBD, car open, alarm off, running, just an ass full of glass.

Most turning up Manchester or Birrrrrmingham way.

[stalonerambo]

its cloning id48 can bus, for sure , i saw something about it , the question is will it be good or bad:?

[ninja123]

if it is that, and martin has tested it and says it works, then it works, just hope its not that though.

ninja

[ninja123]

its cloning id48 can bus, for sure , i saw something about it , the question is will it be good or bad:?

post a link for us all to see :)

[rapidlocksmiths]

its cloning id48 can bus, for sure , i saw something about it , the question is will it be good or bad:?

i think you will be dissapointed if expecting this , id imagine if this ever happens it will be lockdecoders or tango that crack these , and it would be bad in my opinion as id48 canbus is still an area we can earn well in .

[ninja123]

I agree, even if possible, the developers would be shooting themselves in the foot, as it would be a 'quick buck' and the programming side would fall behind.

[Weasel3]

KEYDIY remotes function to mobile phone (android and iphone) - Maybe this is the new release. It is supposed to be ready now this month.

Posted in March
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/styles/DarkCore/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jimmykey http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/images/styles/DarkCore/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=2483339#post2483339) keydiy will not provide the magotan shell pcb in short time.
but it will release the magotan software to kd900 software next month.
keydiy will make the all keydiy remotes function to mobile phone (android and iphone)
so in MAY, keydiy can release the full function.
i bet you will like it.

[simaservis1108]

ID48 cloning will be very hard,because there is no read function on that transponder.
Crypto key isn't readable.Only verify and write.

[camelgd]

1) Will be any use on a 1983 Ford Capri?
2) Will be any good on a East German travant?
3) Does it help any body that has snapped there shed padlock key
In their only door lock on a MK II Clio?

Thankssssss

Meaty,
1. Be careful now... I did an 80's Capri here in the states in the last 10 years. It was stored in a horse barn..
2. Never heard of that East German thingie-you want to elaborate on it?
3. This would total the car.
I suspect it will be more for the ET's than for the mechanical locksmiths, I have to work out my investment recently in Maxidas DS708. Tool budget is shot for the year.:guns::bath:

[robert81]

2 --- i bet he meant TRABANT
bad if he cant spell name of the car he mention...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant

[Atex31]

2 --- i bet he meant TRABANT
bad if he cant spell name of the car he mention...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant


Meaty's trademark - Mis-spell and mis-direction.


Check his previous ;)

[keysmith]

TKOMAX - Kaba/Ilco All in one key programmer with a J2534 pass thru :idea:

[Fallen]

We all know its 48 cloning and it's going to FK us in the bot bot badly.

[Weasel3]

TKOMAX - Kaba/Ilco All in one key programmer with a J2534 pass thru
Is this the new item/product/release? Online programming directly to the factory. It does the precoding as well? Even Golf7?

[ninja123]

Any news yet?

[Cromwe11]

http://tradelocks.co.uk/keyline-megamos-crypto-kit.html ��

[54321]

hopefully they are not any closer to cloning vag can 48

[simaservis1108]

Do not be afraid,it is only Vehicles with MagicI originally.MagicII don't expect soon.
These cars have the same transponder as Kia/Hyundai,Daewoo etc etc.

[P&D]

All of the cars listed the pin can be ripped using most machines
so i don't see a massive problem

The cost of the Ultegra Key Cloner + the starter kit stets you back over ?1500 If you don't already have the programmer
If you do well Keyline are looking after there investers
Its a lot of out lay for something that can be done already using the tools you already have for a new starter

Start to get worried it the Chinese try to clone it & succeed that's what i say

[totalkey]

Do not be afraid,it is only Vehicles with MagicI originally.MagicII don't expect soon.
These cars have the same transponder as Kia/Hyundai,Daewoo etc etc.
You right, also this cars are now 10 years old minimum not a biggy

[autoTkey]

...
Start to get worried it the Chinese try to clone it & succeed that's what i say

Of course they will!

[aassfour]

so where is that major release ?

[obdsystems]

lol Martin's getting us all excited and worried at same time

[whiskeyman]

don't think many will invest on machines that do 15 year old cars
with less and less on the road
be bad investment

[indienick]

who cares these cars are easy to program anyway hehe.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Thus i am not thrilled , like most i dont want to see id48 cloning , but like most i cant stop it .

The plus side is its only on older models and not on canbus models .

As has been said this is for old cars we can normally do simply with our kits and at a greatly reduced parts cost.

When you look at it the negatives are ;

1) parts cost being 4 times more than a chip and a pod key
2) it takes between 3 minutes and 30 minutes to calculate , on average 12 minutes , but quickest was 3 mins longest to date was 30 mins where as obd is 2 mins
3) good internet connection is a must

so with the parts cost differences we should remain compettive , i think canbus is a way off yet but like this it will one day come.

this only works on ultegra 884 , so for those using other machines , its of no use unless they invest in an 884 for now .

this will appeal to some key cutting shops and the like , but not to most auto locksmiths .

where i can see a use for it for me is on spares for old polo models and some of the nasty petrol golf around 2000MY , other than that il stick with obd as cheaper parts cost.

what i can say from testing it is its very good , it works well , i did a 2004 audi TT during testing as well as others , so its a quality product , i just think its aimed more at the shops than at auto locksmiths .

Its certainly a major advancement in cloning , just not for me , id rather id48 stayed unclonable , but i cant halt progress .

No auto locksmith will care other than those that clone in shops , we will care only if the likes of timpson murder the price on these .

[autofan1965]

Thus i am not thrilled , like most i dont want to see id48 cloning , but like most i cant stop it .

The plus side is its only on older models and not on canbus models .

As has been said this is for old cars we can normally do simply with our kits and at a greatly reduced parts cost.

When you look at it the negatives are ;

1) parts cost being 4 times more than a chip and a pod key
2) it takes between 3 minutes and 30 minutes to calculate , on average 12 minutes , but quickest was 3 mins longest to date was 30 mins where as obd is 2 mins
3) good internet connection is a must

so with the parts cost differences we should remain compettive , i think canbus is a way off yet but like this it will one day come.

this only works on ultegra 884 , so for those using other machines , its of no use unless they invest in an 884 for now .

this will appeal to some key cutting shops and the like , but not to most auto locksmiths .

where i can see a use for it for me is on spares for old polo models and some of the nasty petrol golf around 2000MY , other than that il stick with obd as cheaper parts cost.

what i can say from testing it is its very good , it works well , i did a 2004 audi TT during testing as well as others , so its a quality product , i just think its aimed more at the shops than at auto locksmiths .

Its certainly a major advancement in cloning , just not for me , id rather id48 stayed unclonable , but i cant halt progress .

No auto locksmith will care other than those that clone in shops , we will care only if the likes of timpson murder the price on these .

When cloning id48 from car before canbus will be possible then brand transponder are only question of time. Only barrier will be Golf6 system as its uses true unique 12byte. All golf 5 and similar uses still 7byte exactly as older + 5bytes wich can be calculated without any bruteforcing.

[Meat-Head]

Thus i am not thrilled , like most i dont want
2) it takes between 3 minutes and 30 minutes to calculate , on average 12 minutes , but quickest was 3 mins longest to date was 30 mins where as obd is 2 mins
3) good internet connection is a must


where p .

Thats great, if its going to only take 2 mins, then just send a Tweet, any longer then 30 mins on DK, great news

[turboracing]

i saw this tread an thougt oh s... now evrybody clone id 48 but the more i think about it and see the carlist and read the tread this machine will never be taking any work from me. costumer in my contry like the fact that the old /lost key cant start the car quiet easy explain to costumer even if it could clone canbus i whould not lose any sleep over it vw audi is in my contry expensive and conciderd high end cars so costumer dont whant cloned keys

[teuton]

1) Will be any use on a 1983 Ford Capri?
2) Will be any good on a East German travant?
3) Does it help any body that has snapped there shed padlock key
In their only door lock on a MK II Clio?

Thankssssss



Hey,

show me the travant.................and I'll show you the trabant (satelite, mate, follower)

[rapidlocksmiths]

It was alays going to get cracked at some point , bianchi have done a cracking job as it does work and it works well , the keys are good quality like most of what they do , and like silca , jma etc this is what they do , so they will always look for extended new coverage .

the 2004 audi A4 i tested it on it took 10 minutes key worked flawlessly
the 1998 audi a3 i tested it on took 7 minutes and key worked fawlessly
the 2003 mk4 golf i tested it on it took 8 minutes
i did a number of golfs which ranged between 6 minutes and 28 minutes

all t6 id48 pre canbus vag chips ive tested it on its been succesfull all in the 3 to 30 minute time frame averaging 12 minutes across the board .

The process is similar to id46 cloning , very simple , the software guides you step by step so idiot proof , the process is

1) open software and connect cloner to pc connected to internet
2) insert original key , it reads and tells you to insert a virgin tkm key
3) insert the tkm key and the cloner prepares it for sniffing , then tells you to go to the car and switch ignition on and off 8 times
4) switch ignition on and off 8 times with the tkm key removing the key each time
5) insert the tkm key in cloner so the cloner can read the sniff data , it then tells you to insert original key
6) insert original key , calculation begins
7) when calculation is complete it prompts you to reinsert tkm key
8) the key is copied and prompts you when finished

the key is now cloned

it works very well and does what it says it does and is excellent quality , i may not like the release of id48 cloning , but i have to praise what they have achieved and the quality of what they have made .

[Meat-Head]

ON TOPIC:-

If the punter then uses the new key to start his car for his three jobs, pizza delivery, Avon delivery and drug running, is it possable the rolling code from the orginal key gets 'forgotten' after say 3 years of 'abuse'

[Fallen]

What happens if the car should use a 48 but it has had a 48 can programmed in.
Does the cloning still work?

[estate]

Cloning of anything isn't the money maker though really is it? It's no biggy I think, It's handy for shops etc, but surely the mobile guys won't be affected? it's no different to the cloning of Ford 4C/4D really? or am i missing something? They are trying to sell the dream, but ?1500 is a lot of cash for something that most have a work around for anyway? Customers won't care what tool you use......

[simaservis1108]

Tied to internet connection,that's just not it.

[rapidlocksmiths]

I disagree that mobile auto locksmiths wont be affected , we will be as shops lower prices to buttons on these as they have with 4d and 4c cloning , with timpsons offering ford 4d at ?25 its killed this for many , so it will have an affect and most mobiles will have prefered it not being released .

this is a product aimed more at the shop based units than us auto lockies , timpsons will be the first to roll this out and cut prices as always .

it wont be aimed at the likes of me as i can cut and program using my kit , a blank and chip quicker and at a cheaper parts cost , this is a product aimed i suspect at the increasing multitude of shops , kiosks and garages that now offer key cloning .

but i have to applaud keyline for being the first , no doubt the rest will follow and improve and keyline will improve times too and id bet they will all be working on further development , so a sad day for mobiles , but a major advancement in key cloning headed by keyline who have achieved what others havnt , respect to them for this , its a huge advancement in this cloning technology regardless of what i think personally.

[obdsystems]

timpsons must take alot of trade away from us

located now in supermarkets - my local one has "Car key Expert" sign right in the entrance


can't beat that advertising :(

[Meat-Head]

located now in supermarkets - my local one has "Car key Expert" g :(

well find a Lada blade, expoy neatly into a cloned Daewoo head and stick a id41 chip in, then attatch a lucas tractor key to it, say its for the fuel flap then ask if they have an identical key .

[camelgd]

timpsons must take alot of trade away from us

located now in supermarkets - my local one has "Car key Expert" sign right in the entrance


can't beat that advertising :(

I don't think some pimple-faced bag boy qualifies as an a Car Key expert- It is obvious that the car manufacturers will move the security up a notch. Life does go on, and as hard as it is to change, it is either adapt or fall by the wayside. I have always been slow to change, but good mechanical locksmithing skills have afforded me that luxury. As long as people drive cars, there will be security fubars that the local grocery store can't fix. Everyone just needs to figure out what the next new fubar is, and have a solution for it.

[estate]

Exactly. Onwards and upwards! Stay one step ahead..........

[obdsystems]

Exactly. Onwards and upwards! Stay one step ahead..........

exactly -

but still the advertising is spot on for Timpsons. easy jobs by that pimple face kid will be done. I think location wise they've up'ed the game by being located in supermarkets.

This ID48 cloning will mean we get less work off older spare keys. But we've been use to that for many years with ID46, so doubt it'll affect us too much -
onwards, and upwards indeed :)

[key point]

Over the past 12 months I do not think I have done more than one or two spare standard keys on VAG before MY2003.
Taking in to account material costs and hardware the cloner cannot do it too cheap anyway.
This will not effect me. Not really got inclination or time (touch wood) for spare standard keys anyway.

[simaservis1108]

What or who is Timpsons?

[key point]

What or who is Timpsons?

National key cutters and boot gluers. People that pay me to sort their cock ups out. lol.

[Meat-Head]

National key cutters and boot gluers. People that pay me to sort their cock ups out. lol.


You forgot the house sign and dawg tag bits

[drakov]

timpsons must take alot of trade away from us

located now in supermarkets - my local one has "Car key Expert" sign right in the entrance


can't beat that advertising :(

Timpsons have around 580 outlets but only around 70-80 actually do auto work, although branches who offer cloning may be higher, I think the biggest threat will be from china if they clone keylines stuff lol

[rapidlocksmiths]

i agree , and of course they will or they will use it to help develop their own tool , its not a matter of if but when

[Meat-Head]

Faldo (i~~~~ Failiure) if timosins order 560 will price of unit drop

[rapidlocksmiths]

570 units if they include their training centers in prisons and correctional facilities

[Meat-Head]

570 units if they include their training centers in prisons and correctional facilities

Great, get locked up for no tv license then come out knowing how to pinch cars

[kemaster]

Probably Chinese or others will crack it and release it cheaper BUT these cars are getting older and less. The cost of matterial is higher than normal ID48. Don't think this should affect many of you guys especially those involved in programming newer(CAN) cars. The real danger will be if developers, gathered a lot of experience and getting better and better with every day, focus their efforts on cracking CAN alghos. Personally I don't think we'll see it soon but who knows.

[rapidlocksmiths]

meaty i stand corrected , apparantly , it is actually 1200 units they have open for business and 74 that do car keys . so 1202 if you include the training centers in prison

[obdsystems]

Great, get locked up for no tv license then come out knowing how to pinch cars

yet to pay mine - we can learn to pinch cars together in joint..... Gone in 60 seconds - watch out for Laser keys tho !!!!!!!! lol

[ninja123]

Timpsons do seem to have this market wrapped up now, hundreds (if not thousands) of cars all in one place, no need to search phone books or internet, all done while you get your shopping - from customers point of view, this is a great service.

At my local MASSIVE shopping centre, (over 20,000 car parking spaces) there are 2 cobblers that do car keys, they have mirra clone and various other bits of kit too, but dont do lost keys or lock outs, so this is the area we need to concentrate on to stay alive.

ninja

[jimmykey]

TO be frank, i do not think it will have big market about this old tech.
but we respect the work hard for engineers.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i gave up on the spare standar key jobs many moons ago , very rare i get a job like this , ive even been attacked on twitter as a rip off ~~~~ due to the timpson prices , its a horse that has long since bolted .

then the influx of beer money lockies using clone kit from china on simpler jobs has killed alot of this area also , so we are forced to concentrate on other areas or be stuck as busy fools working for beer money , same old really