HOW TO READ EDC16+ WITH BDM100 CLONE

[yourmate]

Hi guys, complete newbie here.

I failed to read an EDC16+ ECU with a K-TAG (long story) and I ordered a BDM100 clone alongside it as a recovery plan :)

It seems like a very basic unit and I have two questions:
- is this able to read a EDC16+ ECU on the bench (already opened)
- if it is, how to connect it as I have only a 10 pin cable and some (totally unrelated, 2 Delphi, 1 Siemens) adapters

It is a 2009 Volvo C30 1.6 D, 109 bhp, D4164T engine, Bosch ECU

Thanks

ps, I can solder ;)

[pulsar2000]

it should be Bosch EDC16C34 yes course you can use BDM 100 edc16. good tool if used correctly,
if you failed with a k tag, why you think bdm100 going to work ? same pads, different tool,
you sure you havent f&&ked the ecu,
you should have a bosch adaptor, with the kit as well as the other boards,
you realise you have to solder the pins into adaptors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTgzmb6Y6Uo (c/o Ominimicu)
if you havent got adapter you could follow ribbon cable, correct way round, and wires to ecu pads, solder as a quick fix to read / write
you dont need to power ecu from rear of ecu, all done from pads.
bdm100 pdf instructions (PAGE 5) http://www.evc.de/ftp/winols/BDM100-en.pdf
if you cant read now with this info, Take it to a PRO :rofl:

[pulsar2000]

Hi guys, complete newbie here.

I failed to read an EDC16+ ECU with a K-TAG (long story) and I ordered a BDM100 clone alongside it as a recovery plan :)

It seems like a very basic unit and I have two questions:
- is this able to read a EDC16+ ECU on the bench (already opened)
- if it is, how to connect it as I have only a 10 pin cable and some (totally unrelated, 2 Delphi, 1 Siemens) adapters

It is a 2009 Volvo C30 1.6 D, 109 bhp, D4164T engine, Bosch ECU

Thanks

ps, I can solder ;)

How is it your K tag wont read ?

[yourmate]

Thanks pulsar for babysitting :)

The reason the K-Tag doesn't work because I've bought a crap Chinese one and it was soldered by a 5 years old on a Shenzhen crop field...
When I connect up it gave me several error codes an finally it says "It's not compatible" It cannot be updated to the new firmware either because the segger cannot properly communicate with it. So I have ordered new NXP chips to sort it. Not to mention the fact it came with bent adapters.

The OBD frame came without proper adapters.

So I left with the BDM100. Also it came with 3 adapters but two of them is the same Delphi. Same 5 year old kid counted them ant it was three pieces - unfortunately none of them Bosch... So I will just solder some wires there...

ECU is fine I've checked last night.

Thanks for all the info and the links - I did not know that originally it's made by the same company as WinOLS I've just realized this morning when I went there to download the demo.

I'll let you know how it's went...

[pulsar2000]

Sounds unlucky,,, The chinese clones normally bad or hit and miss but incomplete adapters, tut tut,,, lol
ebay got some good originals,
i use my bdm100 allot, good tool
hope you get it sorted, you sound wired for it, so sure you`ll sort

[yourmate]

I've just read the manual but unfortunately it does not show the pinouts it deals with the adapter - which is fair enough as they are not selling crap so you can just grab the adapter.

But as I have no adapter I have only got the connection strip cable - which I was intended to cut then solder the wires to the ECU pins and read the ECU. But for that i need the pin out.

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=317288&stc=1

This - for a start - is quite strange as on the crap Bosch adapter (the bent one I had) only 8 connectors (fine 10 but 3 and 4 not used so 8 pins) were present and here in the BDM100 manual it says we should use 10 (as I numbered the above picture):

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=317290&stc=1

No ~~~~ ;)

[mishu_b]

the counting of the pins is correct - if you will use BDM 100 just plug the adapter (10 pins) into the ECU and that's all.
The picture above is not correct!

The correct pin-out is with all 10 pins = 2x5 one after each other! Starting pin 1 is marked on your "belt" with red stripe.
For verification just use one multimeter to monitor the connectivity - I recommend GND connection to be checked!

[pulsar2000]

Theres 2 variants for Bosch Both seem to work, cant find pinouts , but if you look at bosch adapters you will see two different types, so long as you land on pin 1 correctly, Both read fine

[J_amb_o]

Late Volvo and Ford will not work with the clone

[Tachodiag]

If car is euro5 there is 100% clone bdm100 NOT WORK !
I did it very well with Galo4...bdm...

[yourmate]

~~~~, then I am ~~~~ed... Back to the drawing board.

Thanks guys anyway!

[yourmate]

the counting of the pins is correct...

...The correct pin-out is with all 10 pins = 2x5 one after each other!

So, is the bit I quoted from the manual not correct or did I misunderstand? It clearly says leave out 3 & 4 and 13 & 14.

Thanks

[pulsar2000]

if your stuck send it to me m8 im uk also, deffinately can read for you,
fgtech if helps http://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/16784/167842169fe15ac32e01653c5823db7029c63d9c.jpg

Here BDM100 directly
http://mhhauto.com/attachment.php?aid=20561
http://mhhauto.com/attachment.php?aid=20560

[pulsar2000]

as i said 2 variants on pinouts, both work,,,,

you should have some pins with your kess to plug into ribbon cable so you can go direct to pads on edc16
think there was a bdm100 firmware update to v1255 (newer Protocols) ?
mine works flawlesly,,,,
heres a link
http://www.obd2tuning.com/news/how-to-update-bdm-100-ecu-programmer-to-v1255-version-a-299.html

[mishu_b]

as i said 2 variants on pinouts, both work,,,,

I wouln't be so sure!
Pin Name
01 Po-RST
02 12V
03 TMS
04 NC
05 DSCK
06 GND
07 DSDI
08 DSDO
09 12V
10 VFO

If you will move the second row one step, than GND will be PIN8- DSO!!!!

So easy check if your PIN6 is GND and PIN2 and PIN9 are connected to 12V

I have on the trash one ECU EDC16 which somebody connected to BDM using #6 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/474913-HOW-TO-READ-EDC16-WITH-BDM100-CLONE?p=2540554&viewfull=1#post2540554)!!!
Now it is dead!

[pulsar2000]

I wouln't be so sure!
Pin Name
01 Po-RST
02 12V
03 TMS
04 NC
05 DSCK
06 GND
07 DSDI
08 DSDO
09 12V
10 VFO

If you will move the second row one step than GND will be PIN8- DSO!!!!

So easy check if your PIN6 is GND and PIN2 and PIN9 are connected to 12V

I have on the trash on ECU EDC16 which somebody connected to BDM using #6 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/474913-HOW-TO-READ-EDC16-WITH-BDM100-CLONE?p=2540554&viewfull=1#post2540554)!!!
Now it is dead!

ive used both variants using bdm100 no problem --- see your point tho
seems fgtech has the gap... never cared for fgtech (BDM)

[J_amb_o]

Fgtech is the same as genuine EVC BDM100. The BDM100 clonse is not really a BDM100, it's an old CMD clone. CMD sends power from the BDM connector, EVC/FGtech don't.

[yourmate]

Thanks guys,

the ECU is definitely working (as of yet) even after the harassment it's been through with the opening (my very first one) and trying to read out with a nonfunctional KTag ;)

I've just checked the Chinese CD and it has a folder "update BDM100 to V1255"
Would it be any help? :withstupid:

[pulsar2000]

i updated mine,,, hasn't not ever read anything i used for yet,,,

[J_amb_o]

No it won't if it's the later ECU.

[pulsar2000]

No it won't if it's the later ECU.

as in year from ??
i done a fare few volvo etc,,, mostly sid 803 etc,
more info mate, please

[crackerx]

is simple
FIRST check the BDM ground pin on ecu.if ground in not ok on BDM pin somethig in wrong and you will burn the ecu ireversible
http://s22.postimg.org/elr3bszjx/bdm.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/elr3bszjx/)

[pulsar2000]

Late Volvo and Ford will not work with the clone

2009 volvo s40 edc16 reads perfectly....just read one, and not that old..

[midnightman1]

Guys How is connected GND pin? I dont want to use chiness adapters... I want to connect it directly..but. I Will connect galletto directly to 12V, then connect 12V, 12v IGN to BDM but what with GND? Must connect GND to pin 5 on galleto BDM out or connect GND to external power supply ? Or both together? (So I must use same power supply) Thanks.

[JinInRage]

Hi,

I had the same questions and found some sources:
http://blog.obd2express.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/BDM100-volvo-pin-out-4.jpg
https://e-a.d-cd.net/f73b144s-960.jpg
https://postimg.org/image/elr3bszjx/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kynXjan7O0Q

in the yt-video you can see that the pinouts should be correct because it's working.