Winols 501 or 502 or ECM Titanium or Swiftec which one to choose

[dalisman]

Hello all dear members DK.

I want to buy orginal software for editing maps but i dont know which one to chose.
It is big diference with prices and i dont know what is included in software ??
for example from EVC we have :
winols 502 + 20 chksum = 1590euro
winols 501 + 20 chksum = 2990euro
winols 501 full = 1190euro

for ECM Titanium:
ecm titanium full =2200 euro
ecm titanium credit =890 euro


and swiftec is cost 4800 usd

I got some experience with winols but i dont know what is included in orginal package ?
if i buy winols 501 full without chksums i will get all damos which will find some maps for me ?
I know if you buy full Ecm titanium you have all checksums and damos till date.

thank you

[kennfeld]

Hello feel free to contact me i can help you with all questions

Even the program the one of this you buy you have no checksum no damos
but you can buy the checksumms separetly or in 501 20CS or 501 newcomer you have 20 checksum Credits

for ecm there is no checksum activated at that price you need to pay about 1400 to have them activated but the checksums only support tuning zone checksum
for exemple you want do a immo off on a Edc15C7 with ecm then the checksum can't correct the file because the checksum area is 70000 - 7FFFF for ecm edc15C7 and the immo off is in the 10000 -1FFFF area


damos is not sold by evc only by evc ressellers but winols can import them
damos are not sold and used in ecm
damos are not supplyed with swiftec but i think it can import them

if you have other questions tell me

[Nio]

WinOLS doesnt gives you maps ready (must create them)
ECM gives you maps ready.
Swiftec gives you maps (not very good for maps) + dpf/dtc/egr/kat/ etc, so i think for maps will be better ECM, and to make dpf/egr/dtc etc is better Swiftec.

For my work the best software is WinOLS, but i don't know your experience. If you are a professional tuner will be better using WinOLS.

Hope giving you a help. Best regards.

[ominimicu]

In this forum they al go i m so good at maps WInols etc and trust me 80% use titanium, and if u come to think about it why not? New version of titanium is far much better then the old cracked version running arround (ps i m the only one to have a copy where MED9.x and med17 drivers actually work :D lots).
If u want to do maps only and dont have lots of money and advanced knowledge , go for titanium and use winols to correct checksum , also most modern tools support checksum correction in writting.
if u have money go for swiftec!

[dalisman]

So its look like ECM Titanium is good for beginners, swiftec for advanced ,and winols for pro.
all 3 softwares give possibility to modify the maps but:
ecm didnt cover all memory for checksum for example if we want to change something more then map
Swiftec is not so good for modify maps but have lot options for dpf,egr, immo...
and finally winols - you can do all does things in pro level but you need to know where you need to look for it and what to change.

that is correct ?

so i have one more question . can someone send me some good maps org and mod for any car for analize what is what ?
or maybe someone can help me and say what i do wrong when his check my map ?
I know most of people dont want to help in this specific job, but if you not ask you will never get anything.

[ominimicu]

you kinda got it!
if u want help with a file post ori and mod...i ll tell u what u do wrong :D i m good at cricising :D

[dalisman]

Hello again

Now I finally need to chose which software i want to buy. And I think about swiftec because of many positive opinions. the negative is only its difficult to modify maps because is different then winols but is very good if you know how to use it.

Please all users of swiftec write your negative experience with this software , before i buy it https://mail.google.com/mail/u/2/s/?view=att&th=152583cfacfce373&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1

Thank you

[morgano]

Guess people who buy swiftec is just for the extra modules, dpf,egr,dtc's... Etc not to do power tuning.

[yas200]

THe best winols 501 full = 1190euro

Swiftec not good
ECM very bad

[dalisman]

THe best winols 501 full = 1190euro

Swiftec not good
ECM very bad

can you explain why is not good ? Do you use it ?

[kennfeld]

can you explain why is not good ? Do you use it ?


because of you can't add maps by yourself you need to buy driver manager if you want to do

in ols the driver manager is fully free and included

[boomeer]

100% winols

[kennfeld]

THe best winols 501 full = 1190euro

Swiftec not good
ECM very bad

the best is the one with 20CS newcomer or full because you can never buy that credits at that price again !
you can say i don't need checksums ok but if you use a tricore boot kit that not linked to any subscribe server then you can win lot money because in one year that knowed subscribe servers cost you about 1000 1200 a year so you not need longtime to spare lot money !

[vcp]

because of you can't add maps by yourself you need to buy driver manager if you want to do

in ols the driver manager is fully free and included

It's COMPLETELY NOT TRUE.

With Swiftec you have same level of freedom as OLS have, featured Map Manager (FREE), and special modules to help build own map packs, also Swiftec offer map packs if you want make your job faster or does not have big experience with creation of map packs youself. If you compare OLS/ECM/RACE or some other edition tool, with Swiftec you get lots of modules that other tools not even dream to have, it's TORQ/DPF/EGR/DTC/ADBLUE/MAF/FLAPS/SL/STARTSTOP/O2/LC Removal modules, and it's also included to base version of Swiftec.

Map manager is here: *********

Swiftec have FREE and included autodetection of maps for Bosch MSA, EDC15, EDC16, EDC17; Delphi (include Trucks); Denso (include Trucks); Lucas; Motorola MEMS NNN, Perkins, Trucks; Phoenix (John Deere); Siemens MSE, MSD, Rotax, SIM2K; Temic; TRW (EMS2); Visteon. It covers much more ECU's than OLS can do. Here's more information: ************
And it also have module what OLS does not have, which name maps and put conversion values, so it build map pack automatically and FREE for you. Module "Automatical maps recognition" for Bosch EDC7/EDC15/EDC16/EDC17/ME7/MED17, Delphi DCM/CRD, Denso, Lucas Trucks, Marelli MJD, Motorola EMS/MEMSNNN, Siemens MSD80/SID/SIM2K/PCR/PPD, Temic Trucks ECUs. Here's more information: *************************************

[teamtuner]

play with swiftec=play with your money...thoses all links said also how many swiftec was blocked?...you loose customers guys...

[kennfeld]

[QUOTE=vcp;2691741]It's COMPLETELY NOT TRUE.

With Swiftec you have same level of freedom as OLS have, featured Map Manager (FREE), and special modules to help build own map packs, also Swiftec offer map packs if you want make your job faster or does not have big experience with creation of map packs youself. If you compare OLS/ECM/RACE or some other edition tool, with Swiftec you get lots of modules that other tools not even dream to have, it's TORQ/DPF/EGR/DTC/ADBLUE/MAF/FLAPS/SL/STARTSTOP/O2/LC Removal modules, and it's also included to base version of Swiftec.

Map manager is here: *******************

Swiftec have FREE and included autodetection of maps for Bosch MSA, EDC15, EDC16, EDC17; Delphi (include Trucks); Denso (include Trucks); Lucas; Motorola MEMS NNN, Perkins, Trucks; Phoenix (John Deere); Siemens MSE, MSD, Rotax, SIM2K; Temic; TRW (EMS2); Visteon. It covers much more ECU's than OLS can do. Here's more information: ***************
And it also have module what OLS does not have, which name maps and put conversion values, so it build map pack automatically and FREE for you. Module "Automatical maps recognition" for Bosch EDC7/EDC15/EDC16/EDC17/ME7/MED17, Delphi DCM/CRD, Denso, Lucas Trucks, Marelli MJD, Motorola EMS/MEMSNNN, Siemens MSD80/SID/SIM2K/PCR/PPD, Temic Trucks ECUs. Here's more information: *************************************

i was talking about titani C

I think that swiftec is a good product and the price is also ok there is a lot of work hidden that software


but it's not true about that it not cover ecu's that winols can't do ... i can even edit a wood pellet burners software in winols :-D for that one it's a hex/dec editor .... but it can do that ecu even if winols was basically made for vehicles not for machines
it can even dtc off that wood pellet burner ...

basically winols not offer all that map search and features that you talked about but

with my personnal ols config i can also do all that stuff trq -fap - dtc -adblue map maf swirl -speed limiter launch controls lambda immo off or auto create map with description factors axis etc and zone detection revealing of complete dtc tables or juste one dtc all and also singles can been found automatically
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[Johnner]

VCP and Kennfeld,I would remind you guys there is NO trading/advertising on DK,as well as NO posting personal info,such as Facebook links..

Have a read of these please : Forum Rules






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[kennfeld]

Yes i understand there for i not only put facebook picture not the trade site
i was just explaining not trading
each software has native advantages or you can config another software yourself to make it working the similar way to make tprot off etc automatic





VCP and Kennfeld,I would remind you guys there is NO trading/advertising on DK,as well as NO posting personal info,such as Facebook links..

Have a read of these please : Forum Rules
(http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/2-Forum-Rules)

[kennfeld]

in winols you can do byte coding 1 byte lohi or hilo this permit you to move some switches in more understandable way

used in lot ecu's and also in vag sw long and short coding

[hayro85]

Short question, is there an annual license fee at WinOLS? Or buy it once and use forever?

[daniel guerra]

As far as I know, is buying once, and user it forever.

[peixegsm]

Using Flex for example to get and save on ECU don't we need Checksum on winols for example?

[nici]

Hello. I don't want to start new thread.

I have question for winols users.

OLS501 can import DAMOS files ?