ESL doctor from the legend web - avoid like the plague.

[Fallen]

I'm currently using ESL doctor from The legend web and it is the biggest piece of junk I have ever had the displeasure of using.
If has killed EVERY ESL that I have attempted to repair with the 0xAA error.
Support for this tool is a joke, all you get from their support is "Clean the legs of the NEC and it will work".

The adapter that was supplied has been modified after the PCB was made with a loose bit of wire to join 2 points! (i'm not joking, this thing looks like a prototype).

The legend web has now stopped answering my emails and denies my request to send the tool back for evaluation and repair.

$930 USD down the drain, don't waste your money on this piece of shiiite, it just does not work.

What other options are there out there? Simon Touch is the exact same tool so that's a non starter.
The only other tool I hear about is Mercedes Instrument and I only hear good things about it too.

ESL DOCTOR = FAIL

[mercis]

i lost first 1000 usd,and send back pay 100 for shipping,80 for tax(???)esl doctor coming back and same result dont work
newer legend

[ghassooon]

Well i have been using simon touch's esl doctor and it works perfectly sir if u need any help contact me maybe i can help

[Fallen]

Here are few few examples of what i'm talking about.
Prototype esk board and what happens to the NEC after 12 hours of brute force attack.
All key tracks disabled, corrupt data and the ESL is in a worse state than it started.

Another locksmith took the exact same ESL and repaired it using another tool and had it back on the car, working, in less than 6 hours, without attending the car.

This tool not only damages the ESL, it also damages your reputation by making you look bad.

[Siham]

MI doesn't repair ELV with fatal error AA .
Maybe the other locksmith just changed the nec.

[Mario3]

Yeah, probably the nec was changed. Only tool that someone told me about to repair fatal error except simon and thelegend (that claim to do it) is diagspeed. I have a friend who has it and he says that it can repair fatal error i dont know if its true or not

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[mercis]

MY FRIEND PUIU( DK MEMBER) HELPED ME OFTEN,WITH SIMON TOUCH ESL DOCTOR AND MERCEDES INSTRUMENT,WORK PERFECT
THE LEGEND ESL DOCTOR-USELESS

[Siham]

Even if I'am not FAN of Simon Touch have to admit that their ESL Doctor work well .
But faster way is to replace the damaged nec.

Regards! :)

[mercis]

WHERE CAN YOU BUY NEC?

[pepi]

I have repair with success 4 of them with 0xAA error ,also programmed many of their emulators without issue .May be I was lucky.
I have purchased their product before 5 months . The only problem I had is reading and writing keys (BE keys ) with IR option . I have send interface to them , they have fixed and now it is working OK.

Fallen my respected friend ,your ESL adapter looks different of mine maybe they have fixed - check the pics an attachment.
P.S. pay attention - use good quality USB cable. I also had problems because of poor quality USB cable.

[bali motor]

MY ESL DOCTOR LOSS MONEY 2500 USD...

[MarkPRP]

Who was the other locksmith Fallen?!

If the ESL is AA then I just use another board, because usually once they have AA flag on then something else is worn, IE - Relays not stong enough, Excessive wear on the upper casing, and the obvious - MOTOR failure.

SO where is the best place to buy motors?!

[Fallen]

Not sure who the other locksmith was, all I know is the mechanic drove it to me later in the day and told me the other guy fixed it without even attending the car.
If he fitted a new NEC, i would assume it has to be coded before it would work so that rules that out.

I buy my motors of ebay, they work ok.

Here are a few more photo's of when this thing falls over after working for a few hours.
Program hangs and then multiple errors occur.
You can't just restart the program, you have to reboot the computer before it starts again...from the beginning.

If it doesn't crash, after approximately 12 hours, you get a "Timeout error" and the whole thing crashes and the NEC is fried.

Here are a few more screen shots of this piece of crap in action.
This is the front of the adapter, it looks like it was soldered by a special needs child.

[dave11674]

Well i have been using simon touch's esl doctor and it works perfectly sir if u need any help contact me maybe i can help

wondering if you can clear something up here mate
ive had 5 in for repair
4 of them customers which after renew the motor would not turn at all, like the esl was dead !
the one that did work was one i had here that i took out of a working car and renewed it as per their pdf
this is the only one thats worked
others are all still dead
nothing at all from them, but can read via k line
when i write factor after rebuild it fails to lock the unit and im stuck here
can we fix them or is ST fluffing up the NEC ?

dave

[dave11674]

Not sure who the other locksmith was, all I know is the mechanic drove it to me later in the day and told me the other guy fixed it without even attending the car.
If he fitted a new NEC, i would assume it has to be coded before it would work so that rules that out.

I buy my motors of ebay, they work ok.

Here are a few more photo's of when this thing falls over after working for a few hours.
Program hangs and then multiple errors occur.
You can't just restart the program, you have to reboot the computer before it starts again...from the beginning.

If it doesn't crash, after approximately 12 hours, you get a "Timeout error" and the whole thing crashes and the NEC is fried.

Here are a few more screen shots of this piece of crap in action.
This is the front of the adapter, it looks like it was soldered by a special needs child.

thanks for the heads up
was looking at thsi too
im leaving it well alone from now on
have you tried AVDI new functions yet ??

dave

[Fallen]

thanks for the heads up was looking at thsi too im leaving it well alone from now on have you tried AVDI new functions yet ?? dave

The new AVDI functions are not very well documented, I'm at a loss to what they do or how you would use them'

[bali motor]

Buy nec mcu for emulator. Install in board . And no need motor.

[rideon]

The adapter that was supplied has been modified after the PCB was made with a loose bit of wire to join 2 points! (i'm not joking, this thing looks like a prototype).


Off topic here,still i've seen better pcbs in 3$ electronics from china ..:lollypop:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=364280&d=1458213926

:load:

[stickmuon]

This is the front of the adapter, it looks like it was soldered by a special needs child.


ST is special needs. He needs you to begging for help before he say NO.

[cqae]

fallen, I'm sorry to hear you're not happy & have wasted your money. But I wanted to say thank you for letting us know. I was looking at simon touches products & after what you have said would be very reluctant to buy from him. I only hope hge reads this & changes his mind about helping you when he sees it is directly costing him sales

[Fallen]

fallen, I'm sorry to hear you're not happy & have wasted your money. But I wanted to say thank you for letting us know. I was looking at simon touches products & after what you have said would be very reluctant to buy from him. I only hope hge reads this & changes his mind about helping you when he sees it is directly costing him sales

My unit was bought from Eli at thelegendweb.com
Simon touch and him reckon their tools are different but come on, just look at them!

[Frankcar]

Legend and Simon is same ,
if version nec mcu E You're lucky and if F You're unlucky.

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/452886-Please-feedback-esl-doctor?highlight=Legend
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/513025-W204-ESL-fault-can-they-be-fixed?highlight=Legend
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/452886-Please-feedback-esl-doctor?highlight=Legend

[Fallen]

Good news, Samic announced today that VVDI BGA tool will have NEC ESL repair in future update!

[didi_du_93000]

What can't do with Vvdi MB BGA tool than we can do with SIMON or Eli tool

With tapatalk

[Fallen]

What can't do with Vvdi MB BGA tool than we can do with SIMON or Eli tool

With tapatalk

1. I'm hoping the VVDI BGA tool will actually work.
2. Support. I know this is 1000 times batter already.
3. Trust. I trust the VVDI product. I don't trust Eli further than I could throw him.

When you take peoples money for products that don't work, offer no support and stop answering emails, threads like this appear.
My product is quite clearly defective and the NEC adapter is a prototype.

All he had to do was the right thing and fix the issues and I would be singing it's praises.
Instead he has 2 pages of proof of how bad his product is.

This thread will not die and I will link it to every other thread that when people ask about the tool.

[javierfichera]

Hello friends, I have the tool The ESL doctor makes about a year and a half, I can say that at first made me want to break everything, I'm now a little more practical, I work with a few ESL fatal error (0XAA) and was able to resolve all, some with the help of support of The Legend.
I'm here for any help that I can provide to you so that you find it easier suffering.

[javierfichera]

Hi Fallen, I think your problem is the USB cable or PC, try to change any of these things. And I had the same problem at the beginning and discovered that the port of the PC used to this, switch to a rear port of the laptop and resolved.I do not say that ESL Doctor is perfect, I myself have broken a couple of ESL trying to rebuild.
I tell you that the best result I got to run ESL was broken steps do exactly the video thelegendweb web page. http://thelegendweb.com/page.php?itemid=64 ESL W204 VIRGINIZE AND UNBLOCK ERROR 0xAA
A very important thing is to never try to virginized ESL, because no need, you can change ESL from one car to another with just 4 steps from the video. (Pay attention to the video when after 2 steps remove the chip and continues in the following steps with the assembly ESL)
NEVER click on the button virginized, only when the PT-Off function is not disables (read pdf manual)

[Fallen]

I have tried different USB cables, different laptops, it makes no difference.
Problem number 1 is obviously my adapter, its a prototype and it should never have been sent.
Problem number 2 is refusing to answer my emails about this.

Eli's answer is always "clean legs, it will work".
No Eli, it won't work because my hardware is broken, look at the pictures FFS.

Once again, I am here to remind everybody to avoid this item like the plague.
Once VVDI BGA release the repair function for ESL, I will test it and report it's progress in this thread.

This thread has had over 1600 views and it will continue to grow until he either contacts me to sort this problem out or I get bored of updating it (I don't get bored easily).

I hope this thread has cost him a few sales which could have been easily avoided had he done the right thing.

VVDI BGA reports coming soon :)

[mercis]

i have same result,eli and thelegend for me chaeter,newer buy from lebanon

[geeroam]

I had same result with legend and Simon tools i have sent simon one back new one seems to work, I bought emulators from simon all worked bought some universal emulaors from legend tried 3 on w204 no go his response must work check file. Something else i had discovered with motors from both of them one in 10 you going to have problems with. Check the brushes some are poor quality and dont make proper contact. customer will be back in 2 to 3 months

[Fallen]

I see a few people asking about this tool so I thought I would update this thread.

Eli has still never answered my emails regarding this massive failure of a tool so I continue to warn people how truly bad it is.
Look at the photos, they don't lie!

A much better alternative is VVDI BGA.
I have used it to fix fatal flaw in ESL multiple times and it works flawlessly.
Max time to repair has been about 20 mins.
It also can personalize and renew the EIS to complete the job.

In short, ESL doctor is a piece of garbage and there is no reason anybody should buy it when there is a much better, proven options out there.

PS. I hope this thread continues to cause you lack of sales on your dodgy tool Eli, the price you pay for ignoring my emails.

[mercis]

newer again:bandit::bandit: lebanon

[vanya86]

Legendweb = Simon touch -> Fail in deblock

Latest legendweb works by last info.

Diagspeed -> Fail in deblock

MI -> cant do that

AVDI-> cand do that

[Mario3]

you forgot VVDI

and Necpro57 ;)

i thought that Diagspeed is working fine with 0xAA removal ?

[obdsystems]

I'm currently using ESL doctor from The legend web and it is the biggest piece of junk I have ever had the displeasure of using.
If has killed EVERY ESL that I have attempted to repair with the 0xAA error.
Support for this tool is a joke, all you get from their support is "Clean the legs of the NEC and it will work".

The adapter that was supplied has been modified after the PCB was made with a loose bit of wire to join 2 points! (i'm not joking, this thing looks like a prototype).

The legend web has now stopped answering my emails and denies my request to send the tool back for evaluation and repair.

$930 USD down the drain, don't waste your money on this piece of shiiite, it just does not work.

What other options are there out there? Simon Touch is the exact same tool so that's a non starter.
The only other tool I hear about is Mercedes Instrument and I only hear good things about it too.

ESL DOCTOR = FAIL


shame - his m8 update is crap too lost ?800 but partly cos M8 not meant to be opened .


but anyway shame hope it works out

[vanya86]

obdsystems it works. I had 32 blocked nec, sent to friend, he is deblocking 1 by 1. Legend and simon same crap tool, but at least he can deblock it now.

VVDI not sure if deblock works correctly, that tool is clone of first Diagspeed. They probably sniffed freq glitch and mabye their deblock works.

Necpro57 doesnt have deblock at all.

DEBLOCK TOOLS:

VVDI dont have it
DIAGSPEED have it, doesnt work
SIMON smashed with caterpilar
LEGEND Dont have it, but have good feedback now.

Those are only one.

I understand your dissapointment.

There is lot of diagspeed customers dissapointed, i know at least 40 of them (netherland, uk, france (tlmecen admin)) and so on...

If you ask me for opinion, all those tools are bad beta tools. Lot of bugs, bad design of hardware and so on.


You must take 1, chose less worst :D

[vanya86]

And if you want to make open project for deblock, give me 1 legendweb and i will replicate it, share it here. Then we can develope it and make it better.

I know how it works but i need correct algo.

And BTW soon ( i hope) i will have Kline deblock , one tool have it but only for selected users (5 or 6 of them)

[Mario3]

You are right about Necpro57, there is a video where the debloking is made over Kline in ca 3 sec. and its status is read before and after with necpro57 (wich got me belive necpro57 made the deblok) so i missed the part where the process is made with a totally different tool

[vanya86]

Yes but afraid of cloning and we will probably never see it. Not so soon

[lunchb0x]

Are there many people using VVDI for ESL fatal error repair? If so are you having a good strike rate with it working?

I purchased another tool for doing these which so far does not work, I will update on that later......