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Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 01:28 AM
Just tried flashing polo SDI edc15 connected external power source good 13v ,
Write erased ECU now won't find ECU , flash failed at beginning I have no car help.
Tried pulling dash fuse tried recovery mode help

heteromies
6th February, 2017, 03:39 AM
Just tried flashing polo SDI edc15 connected external power source good 13v ,
Write erased ECU now won't find ECU , flash failed at beginning I have no car help.
Tried pulling dash fuse tried recovery mode help

Recover in boot mode(remove ecu and do in table) Google/search for more info

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 05:58 AM
What equipment do I need?

jakesman
6th February, 2017, 06:51 AM
your tools to remove and open the ecu from car , and same mpps tool u busted the ecu , just go to "generic menu" pinout mpps to ecu with power supply and use recovery option in boot mode
and then u read this and thank the dude for his nice explenation and u should be sorted
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/323867-EDC15P-bootmode-Recovery-with-MPPS

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 08:58 AM
Arrrghhh pin out what wires do I need ?
What's best way to supply power and what is the resistor all about

smirnoff_rules
6th February, 2017, 09:39 AM
the last few l have done l didnt use resistor but risk is yours , read that dpf file and power mpps with a battery or 12v adapter

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/547268-MPPS-v18-GOOD-OR-NOT?p=2888023&viewfull=1#post2888023

pulsar2000
6th February, 2017, 09:54 AM
look here someone already had this problem along time ago, or do as above, same thing,
here: in black and white not my work, http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=180006&d=1362572589

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 11:15 AM
Thank you all for the help but I'm unsure how to pin and connect the wires up , what do I need to buy, I'm in the UK so would maplins /halfords be a good place to buy parts.

12v could i use an old PC psu

morgano
6th February, 2017, 11:34 AM
You need to buy nothing, just a few wires and you are done with your actual equipment.

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 12:27 PM
Thank you , normal wires then from like audio cables and USB leads then have plenty of them.
Is the resistor essential ? Or just ground the pin to the car battery or earthing point
Is that what essentially the resistor is doing I may have a resistor in a broken multimeter somewhere which may work

pulsar2000
6th February, 2017, 04:21 PM
search on youtube for
Emergency Ghetto Bootmode Me7 Ecuwill show you what you need to do, simple if you break it you can make it,

jakkeviet
6th February, 2017, 04:42 PM
solder out chip 29f400bb and write org file in

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 05:45 PM
I'm terrible at soldering haha

smirnoff_rules
6th February, 2017, 05:47 PM
u dont need to solder just hold pin on then leg for afew seconds to put into boot

gzk
6th February, 2017, 06:57 PM
you don't have to solder anything
open the ecu plug it in the car put a wire from ground to boot pin of 29f400 . ask someone to turn on the car while you keep the ground wire on the eprom leg . now ecu is in boot mode and you can reflash with mpps boot mode option
that's all

jakesman
6th February, 2017, 08:04 PM
Mr gzk u have the easy way here to do it , it works nice i also use that option and works good
and not to be rude Mr Sutty86 we all learned the hard way and help we all here try to help as good as we can , better u read a bit more before atempting this things just see at the bottom of all posts there is a small button that say "Thanx"" just hit that also
enjoy and have fun with your quest in learning

jakkeviet
6th February, 2017, 09:42 PM
what is ecu model or bosch number?

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 10:10 PM
what is ecu model or bosch number?

Bosch EDC15V
Bosch EDC15V

jakkeviet
6th February, 2017, 10:15 PM
426654

red point is boot place

smirnoff_rules
6th February, 2017, 10:18 PM
isnt it here ?

https://i.gyazo.com/0b04d455df5090b633306d027b1c1613.png

pulsar2000
6th February, 2017, 10:30 PM
isnt it here ?

https://i.gyazo.com/0b04d455df5090b633306d027b1c1613.png
Thats what i would choose, and have done before, works for me !

pulsar2000
6th February, 2017, 10:33 PM
Lol if this isnt resolved Now, then Theres no Hope for O.P couldnt be simpler on how its done, waiting to hear that you got your car started and what a silly boy you were :chuncky:

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 10:56 PM
Hello I'm back not had chance to do it yet as it's chucking it down no risking removing ECU with this weather going to get car recovered to my garage .
Also just looked up my mpps info

File version 12.0.0.6
Hardware 12.01

Still be okay ?

smirnoff_rules
6th February, 2017, 11:09 PM
~~~~ me thats old , no wonder it cocked your ecu up

Sutty86
6th February, 2017, 11:59 PM
Would 13 sort it ? Or should I push the boat out and buy 18

smirnoff_rules
7th February, 2017, 12:09 AM
it hasnt worked well so far but should boot

morgano
7th February, 2017, 12:10 AM
mpps v12 will do fine to recover in bootmode. don't worry.

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 01:01 AM
https://s23.postimg.org/3rdh1mro7/20170207_000023.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/3rdh1mro7/)
Let me just get the hair dryer out

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 01:34 AM
https://s24.postimg.org/tdwlp59r5/20170207_002456.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/tdwlp59r5/)

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 02:37 AM
Failed to get into boot mode FML.
I was doing it the ghetto way going to try solder tomorrow as was all abit rushed.
Also couldn't earth the pin as there is no give in the connectors so I only connected the one connector (longer one with all the connections in the PDF) the other connector seems dormant maybe that's the reason
Need to really solder as there is no access down where ECU goes
Could I just use a small amount of glue instead , not very experienced soldering don't really trust my self.

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 08:15 AM
No dont glue !!
look go to car disconnect battey connnect your ecu to loom with lid off,
and get a wire from earth to touch on to that pin, 2nd one
get someone to get ready on ignition then you know what to do,
would either solder or touch on, if you solder make sure its just that pin, you only need a thin wire, and only hold on for a few seconds,

where are you from mate ? surely you know someone you could take to just to get a wire soldered on ? a work friend your grandmother LOL, if not go buy one cost little money,
then when you recover it cut wire off or insulate it and leave in there ready for the next time someone F^^ks it up :> maybe a post it note with haha heres your boot pin

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 09:49 AM
No dont glue !!
look go to car disconnect battey connnect your ecu to loom with lid off,
and get a wire from earth to touch on to that pin, 2nd one
get someone to get ready on ignition then you know what to do,
would either solder or touch on, if you solder make sure its just that pin, you only need a thin wire, and only hold on for a few seconds,

where are you from mate ? surely you know someone you could take to just to get a wire soldered on ? a work friend your grandmother LOL, if not go buy one cost little money,
then when you recover it cut wire off or insulate it and leave in there ready for the next time someone F^^ks it up :> maybe a post it note with haha heres your boot pin
Pulsar there's no space for me to touch the pin physically as there is no play in the loom , so only choice is to solder I will ask about today cheers

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 09:55 AM
Pulsar there's no space for me to touch the pin physically as there is no play in the loom , so only choice is to solder I will ask about today cheers

Yea i know what your saying but loom can normally be loosened if you trace back you will see clips that hold to bodywork, pull off to make room,

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 12:41 PM
Failed going to buy mpps16 constantly getting failed ECU mode , doesn't even attempt to try.
ECU is working as I can feel middle chip warm up also.
Did it with the wife in the front and pin earthed to negative , tried 25 times no luck

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 12:48 PM
sounds like your ecu broke then or deffective
time to look new ecu,

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 01:15 PM
sounds like your ecu broke then or deffective
time to look new ecu,
if
that is the case is it a matter of plugging in and doing the same , boot mode etc

jakkeviet
7th February, 2017, 02:21 PM
send ecu me.. i repair it FREE for you (if prosessor is ok)

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 02:22 PM
no think you need to get a read of eeprom or desolder eeprom and either flash to new ecu or solder in place, i might be wrong tho, as not 100% edc15 someone will confirm, or advise otherwise

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 02:23 PM
send ecu me.. i repair it FREE for you (if prosessor is ok)

Sutty - Look Good Guy there, dont forget to hit the thanks button, this guys prepared to sort your ecu for you

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 02:28 PM
[wow the generosity of this forum is brilliant wish people in real life were as decent.

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 03:48 PM
send ecu me.. i repair it FREE for you (if prosessor is ok)

Good Guy there, dont forget to hit the thanks button, this guys prepared to sort your ecu for you

All the good people of the world reside here.... Best people and forum ever,

morgano
7th February, 2017, 04:53 PM
Sure he put ecu in boot mode but used option for normal obd write.

This ecus are bulletproof, if you put gnd to pin 24 of flash, then give contact, then remove the gnd from the pin and choose correct option for bootmode in mpps software it simply works.

So review all the procedure and do exactly as said. Choose generic in mpps and then edc15 bootmode. Not for your car brand and model.

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 05:25 PM
Yes I did exactly that generic then edc15v gives you a pop up window saying to ground pin24 which I did do.
Also tried recovery (slow option)
I've done everything ,
Going to wait for mpps16 coming tomorrow to make sure my v12 is not duff.
Then if so will send off to the generous forum member jakkeviet

pulsar2000
7th February, 2017, 11:13 PM
Yes I did exactly that generic then edc15v gives you a pop up window saying to ground pin24 which I did do.
Also tried recovery (slow option)
I've done everything ,
Going to wait for mpps16 coming tomorrow to make sure my v12 is not duff.
Then if so will send off to the generous forum member jakkeviet

Just a thought , You sure your battery good ?
you use booster on battery, maybe you make battery flat with your attempts to start, Just a thought, as other say, Robust ecu this,
Getting to boot bit hit n miss, make sure you have clean metal for earth, you cant of killed ecu, get that 2md pin soldered with a wire, then get some sandpaper and clean up negative bat terminal, then use Juice * Boost in case bat flat, then will work,
persevere, it will write !

Sutty86
7th February, 2017, 11:35 PM
Pulsar thank you for your help, yes have jump leads on my 4x4 running , earth is clean and is sparking when hit on positive to check it was working.
Wire is solid and help on ,
Pulsar I'm afraid of soldering never really done it

smirnoff_rules
7th February, 2017, 11:38 PM
you worry to much about solder , you dont need too , pin with a wire on is all you need your only booting for afew seconds

Sutty86
8th February, 2017, 01:02 AM
What can i say I'm a worrier.
Give me a poorly patient I can sort them out but with cars I can't do s*"?.(I'm a paramedic)

amcharge
8th February, 2017, 01:43 AM
forget everything does so:1? speed options: set to slow . 2? clic on write select file 3? clic checksum and select the same file 4? clic again checksum and select the same file. and wil be ok. i done this many times.
DO NOT CLICK ON ID

Sutty86
8th February, 2017, 02:16 AM
Done exactly that go strange to write

Sutty86
8th February, 2017, 05:23 PM
Pulsar are you proud of my attempt going to try later when I get two minutes to myself , got crocodile clip to the end of the wire to ground.

https://s30.postimg.org/cils6xdpp/20170208_161935.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/cils6xdpp/)

Sutty86
8th February, 2017, 05:57 PM
Failed with mpps 16 also ,
Not sure why it won't go into boot mode basically pops up straight away saying ECU boot mode failed

smirnoff_rules
9th February, 2017, 07:44 AM
send us pictures of the wiring you have done too

Sutty86
9th February, 2017, 08:43 AM
That's it really then wire connects to the negative terminal on the battery

smirnoff_rules
9th February, 2017, 09:04 AM
If your doing on car try this , unplug ecu put wire to earth , turn ignition on , now plug ecu connector back on and after 10 seconds remove boot wire , dont turn ignition off , leave on , now try mpps in boot mode in generic menu

jakkeviet
9th February, 2017, 09:49 AM
if you make it wrong you destry prosessor then game is over

jakesman
9th February, 2017, 08:03 PM
this is ironic how life goes , today i had a edc15 vm+ to do stage 1 map and as a rule i always remove the ecu and do it on the bench , but feeling not in the mood for all the work plug my Mpps 16 in the obd port and ecu identify correct and read the ecu file for a backup .no problems , load remaped file that is tested and have used a couple of times , Write file ,,,,,, flash is being erased ok that is good and wow error pops up and ecu have same symptoms as post number 1 , boot mode do not work nothing works ended up writing the file in a programmer with chip de-solderd and wow still nothing but after using another AM29F400BT chip it came alive so why did the first chip fail but lesson learned . do it like i am use to doing it on the bench or with a programmer , solder job is less than 10 minutes job

smirnoff_rules
9th February, 2017, 09:22 PM
small world isnt it lol . had a golf in today was just going to write to it but thought because of this thread l would just take it out and boot to show op the boot pin , glad l did now lol
had an audi a4 2.5 the other day with edc16v w and did over obd without a problem

https://i.gyazo.com/bac58d2777df00bd6375f952f14f43c1.jpg

https://i.gyazo.com/cd0550e1690eeab60e7441400ca598d5.png

Sutty86
9th February, 2017, 11:41 PM
Cheers buddy is that mpps v18 your using?

Where did you manage to get chip it's on its way to get fixed now , so hopefully get sorted.
What's the cheapest programmer also
Can see this being deadly expensive

Sutty86
9th February, 2017, 11:43 PM
Do you think maybe an update error some how clones are getting fried

smirnoff_rules
9th February, 2017, 11:46 PM
you cant update clones if you try you lose your clone

Sutty86
10th February, 2017, 12:11 AM
Yes I know just thinking out of the box

jakesman
10th February, 2017, 08:41 AM
update and today i do the same car with mpps16 ,yes the very same car ,ecu fitted in the car like it should be and i just pulled fuse 11 and fuse 15 read write all good no problem , as for programmer i use cheap tl866 with the sop44 adapter the chips u can order from aliexpress
so PULL FUSE Number 11 and 15 then do it

##EDIT##
See your dash fuses so i gues not all is the same but for my car it was 11 and 15 the 2 dash fuses

Sutty86
10th February, 2017, 09:25 AM
Think my fuses are different when I pull fuse 11(dash)
I lose my voltage and mpps will not work...
Fuse 15 is headlight for myself

heteromies
10th February, 2017, 11:45 AM
Safest way do it is bench, table in boot- mode. There is .pdf how to. Check... BUT

Mate, if you can't do with these all info what got here, please leave it. Go som local tuner, he will do it for you. You safe car and no more grey hairs... ^^

Sutty86
10th February, 2017, 12:57 PM
I have done every thing correct not sure why it's not working obviously don't have a programmer that's the problem

heteromies
10th February, 2017, 01:35 PM
I have done every thing correct not sure why it's not working obviously don't have a programmer that's the problem

Hmmmmm...... sure? Show photos when do in table this? Show also connections etc.

wronapl
10th February, 2017, 05:22 PM
Maybe this help back to live Your edc15. Step by step.

http://blog.obdtool.co.uk/how-mpps-write-ecu-edc15-in-boot-mode-mpps-edc15-recovery-details/

Regards

Sutty86
11th February, 2017, 07:28 PM
Right report back
ECU is fried
Not sure how but what are my options

smirnoff_rules
11th February, 2017, 07:29 PM
easy get one off ebay and swap eeprom

under this progammer ,

Sutty86
11th February, 2017, 08:22 PM
Sounds like a stupid question
Does it have to be identical same numbers etc
I can find loads of polo SDI ECU's but not same number

kospoz
11th February, 2017, 10:59 PM
Sounds like a stupid question
Does it have to be identical same numbers etc
I can find loads of polo SDI ECU's but not same number
What is your number from ecu and what is the closer number that you find?

Sutty86
11th February, 2017, 11:01 PM
Mine is 038 906 012 AF
And I've found one local to me same numbers
038 906 012 BF
Same engine 1.9 SDI

pulsar2000
11th February, 2017, 11:19 PM
if same numbers yes go for it, but you have letter difference,
better to get exact match,
if you could read flash then should be able to reflash to similar as would overwrite,
You cant do this as you cook ecu so you say,

so look on ebay and post your ecu label number,,, you will find exact so will be 100% match

car still wont start tho, so your not out the woods yet,
now you need to deal with eeprom has inj codes, immo etc relevant to your car, so no good new one until you do the eeprom change,

you can read old eeprom and write to new as smirnoff says , but you need to buy expensive equipment,
Or lower cost take both ecu to electronic repair shop - Bribe and ask them to solder old eeprom from old, remove new eeprom, and replace from old, take back to car,
then start and drive and enjoy the thrill of the last week,,,
then next time you want to tune take to a PRO !! :02.47-tranquillity:

Sutty86
11th February, 2017, 11:48 PM
Hopefully my eeeprom is still good then.

Don't worry I will do,

Sutty86
16th February, 2017, 10:43 PM
Right update.

So I ordered an identical unit second hand for ?24.99
A guy from the forum whom wants to remain nameless helped and basically told me my original unit was fried and he couldn't copy any thing.
So he deleted the immobilizer from the new unit and now the car starts.

Not going to touch a map again

Thank you everyone , so kind

wronapl
17th February, 2017, 07:49 AM
So, so much mess about nothing? Dont be affraid, flash ecu with chceksumed file and will be fine.

Sutty86
17th February, 2017, 11:07 PM
Did this and it died

smirnoff_rules
17th February, 2017, 11:40 PM
mpps 16 does checksum so you will be ok , l would remove dash fuse or flash on bench . if you post tuned file someone will check it ,, put a backup battery or charger on it this time , on vw l unplug fan to

pulsar2000
18th February, 2017, 12:30 AM
Right update.

So I ordered an identical unit second hand for ?24.99
A guy from the forum whom wants to remain nameless helped and basically told me my original unit was fried and he couldn't copy any thing.
So he deleted the immobilizer from the new unit and now the car starts.

Not going to touch a map again

Thank you everyone , so kind


glad you got this sorted, And the good guy that helps you, Buy him a Beer. Great forum this !! all good people

2200
18th February, 2017, 01:16 AM
Or let a pro do the job...

Sutty86
18th February, 2017, 12:32 PM
Bought him a crate ,
I did chksum also

jakkeviet
18th February, 2017, 09:36 PM
can you now send ecu ?? i can read all files you and tell what you are make wrong :)

Sutty86
19th February, 2017, 08:03 PM
ECU was fried buddy had an expert local to me look at it whom is on the forum , couldn't recover anything

morgano
20th February, 2017, 09:11 AM
ECU was fried buddy had an expert local to me look at it whom is on the forum , couldn't recover anything

Then maybe not that expert. I doubt you fried ecu to the point chips cannot be read standalone.