ABRITES ..the untrustworthy company!

[rivalryan]

As many of you will have heard, ABRITES have blocked the device from anyone who bought licenses ect from the Russian distributor between 2014-2018, I purchased a license back in 2016 from the distributor and my AMS was direct from ABRITES though when I went to renew my AMS today I recieved the following Email:

This device has been banned as we have not received a payment for
some of the functions. Please contact your distributor - Mr. Andrey
Glinskiy in order to sort out the matter. As soon as we have received
the payment, we will remove the ban on this interface and you will be
able to use it as before.


​Its hard to believe they would take this route and try and use customers to pressure a distributor into payment. This means that ultimately nobody's software is safe from any distributor, what if a well know UK distributor owed money then all UK devices will be blocked until they pay so the customer suffers. Lost all belief in this company that holds no values or respect for its customers that spend thousands!!

[rapidlocksmiths]

maybe more will now buy their licences direct from abrites rather than from distributors to avoid this situation happening to them .

im sure if nobody purchased ams and new licences from the distributors anymore worldwide , and instead only bought from abrites direct , the worldwide distributors would all put so much pressure on abrites as not making money anymore , cant blame customers as just protecting their investments in future

[lush29]

So to you looks like is Abrites fault?
Stop bullshit around go back to your distributor and tell him to f... pay his bills to abrites and after this will not happen again.
To me looks like your distributor took your money and never payed abrites.
This distributor must be very rich...600devices by atleast couple hundred euros...
Yous do the mats ....$$$$$$$$

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[rivalryan]

So to you looks like is Abrites fault?
Stop bullshit around go back to your distributor and tell him to f... pay his bills to abrites and after this will not happen again.

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Its exactly my point that its not up to me to chase people for ABRITES that is there's, I have paid for my software, ABRITES are in breach of contract what ever way you look at it.

The last License I bought was in 2016 so he didn't pay anything for 2 1/2 years?? My AMS was direct with Abrites not him so that are using people like pawns to get there own way.

[vageric]

So to you looks like is Abrites fault?
Stop bullshit around go back to your distributor and tell him to f... pay his bills to abrites and after this will not happen again.
To me looks like your distributor took your money and never payed abrites.
This distributor must be very rich...600devices by atleast couple hundred euros...
Yous do the mats ....$$$$$$$$

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with respect think about what your a saying!
you can't blame the end user for a fault that the distributor made.
he have payed the distro so for him it's a done deal.
the distro is a legit distro from abritus so its supose to be trustwordy.
in this case it's abritus and the distro have to sort them issue, not abritus and the end user.
ex. if you pay in shop for a nike shoe and after 2 year nike come to your hous and take your shoes because
the shop did'nt payed nike, is that correct.
just somthing to tink about!

[dtip]

So to you looks like is Abrites fault?
Stop bullshit around go back to your distributor and tell him to f... pay his bills to abrites and after this will not happen again.
To me looks like your distributor took your money and never payed abrites.
This distributor must be very rich...600devices by atleast couple hundred euros...
Yous do the mats ....$$$$$$$$

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Jesus.....what a answer and what mindset. Why should hell customer chase seller to pay bill to a THIRD PARTY ? It's like buying a bread in local store and you need to chase local store owner to pay his monthly bills to bakery. IF IT IS OFFICIAL DISTRIBUTOR (AND IT IS) ABRITES COMPANY SHOULD DO THEIR OWN TO GET PAYED FOR THEIR PRODUCTS AND IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO IT THEY SHOULD SUFFER CONSEQUENCES FOR CHOOSING THEIR OFFICIAL DISTRIBUTERS BADLY.

[rapidlocksmiths]

theres more than one way to look at this ,

morally , if the case then morally it is wrong to punish the end user for a payment issue with an authorised distributor .

Legally is a whole different ball game and will depend on a number of things , the supply contract between manufacturer and distributor , and terms and conditions . as id imagine legally the customers contract is with the distributor and not with abrites , the distributor has a contract with abrites and an obligation and contract with the customer , abrites only have a contract and obligation to the distributor .

so legally i suspect the customer can only take action against the distributor as the customer has no contract with abrites and only has a contract with the distributor .

so whether morally right or not , i suspect your only option is to seek a refund from your distributor as i doubt you have any legal case against abrites .

[rivalryan]

The latest email from Abrites

We would first of all like to express our understanding for all inconveniences this situation has caused to all parties involved. We ourselves have been harmed to a great extent. Nevertheless, Abrites Ltd. is working extremely hard to solve these issues and to defend the interests of each and every user.
Please note, that Abrites Ltd. has exhausted all possible peaceful ways to settle its financial disputes with Mr. Andrey Glinsky. This was a long process which took many months.
We would like to also assure you that the contract agreement between Mr. Andrey Glinsky and Abrites Ltd. allows for a temporary block of functions until the full repayment of all amounts owed to Abrites by Mr. Glinsky. This is a condition, that Mr. Glinsky is completely aware of and therefore he knowingly acted in a way to leave his customers with disabled functions.

We hope that you agree with the information above and also agree that we can help each other to get out of this situation as soon as possible.

What a load of crap, we can help each other get out of this situation, this is the situation ABRITES put me and many others in regardless of who owes who what, if they had a contract whereby they could stop AMS why wasn't this made clear by them as it is their software as is stated in terms and conditions, how can third party have terms and conditions over software that is not theirs or are not in control of?

So I responded to the email and also asked what software on my device has not been paid for?

The response was;

Hello,
Please contact to Mr. Glinsky. Only he can help to solve this issue.
Regards,

So as I said trying to get customers to do their dirty work.

[jodge]

Accordig this post they ran out options with Mr Glinsky and the nex "logic" movment punish their customers who paying the annual fee. Maybe someone will punish Mr Glisky. What a great idea.
They have to change their company name to Obdstar-Flyobd-Abrites Ltd.

[rivalryan]

theres more than one way to look at this ,

morally , if the case then morally it is wrong to punish the end user for a payment issue with an authorised distributor .

Legally is a whole different ball game and will depend on a number of things , the supply contract between manufacturer and distributor , and terms and conditions . as id imagine legally the customers contract is with the distributor and not with abrites , the distributor has a contract with abrites and an obligation and contract with the customer , abrites only have a contract and obligation to the distributor .

so legally i suspect the customer can only take action against the distributor as the customer has no contract with abrites and only has a contract with the distributor .

so whether morally right or not , i suspect your only option is to seek a refund from your distributor as i doubt you have any legal case against abrites .

The Russian distributor was an official authorised seller of their products (their software/name), The last item purchased from him was over 2 years ago, you can't tell me he hasn't paid for over 2 years which means everything on my AVDI is paid for so the legal issue is with ABRITES and not the Russian distributor, they have not taken any licenses from me only stopped use on online service, my AMS has been with them direct the past couple of years and now they say I cannot renew it which I 100% have a case for. I heard there is a collective group pursuing legal action in Bulgaria at the moment so will be interesting to see the outcome.
The software is owned and distributed solely by ABRITES no-one else. No mention of this situation in terms and conditions and also you could not have a terms and condition set out where you could be at a loss like this as thats illegal under contract law.

[droidwayne65]

Some of you guys gotta be kidding. An authorized distributor reneges on his promise to pay, so the manufacturer holds his customers hostage? In what world is this ethical or even legal behavior? Would you also say that if a BMW dealer went bankrupt, owing money to BMW, BMW is fully justified in not honoring associated warranties? C'mon, think about what you're saying.

[sleepyrz]

cmon this is russia......

someone hasnt cut his legs off already???

didnt know russia was full of pussies.............

[rivalryan]

Distributor says he owes nothing and is currently taking legal action against them.

[qeso705]

They are unique scammers. First lifetime free update. Next AMS. Customer should pay for function which wasn't work with valid licenses as exist many bugs. Now they steal time and equipment from end customers. I wish them to meet angry Russian customers at Bulgaria eye to eye, maybe they learn something.

[lush29]

I will like to become an distributor and walk away with half million euro and not one guy blames me for something [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].
This must be an new way to do bussines ....

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[newone]

they have one of the best device but the way they treat customers is a joke,till now there were theads from people complaing about things that were revoked and now this,i wonder what will be their next big step...

[rivalryan]

I will like to become an distributor and walk away with half million euro and not one guy blames me for something [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23].
This must be an new way to do bussines ....

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I guess some people will never see the bigger picture, not everyone has common sense.

An idiot at ABRITES thinks the correct way to do business is to treat customers like shit to manipulate former partner into payment.

The point is it's not my concern or anyone else who bought from the distributor that was an authorised partner of ABRITES, I paid and now ABRITES are using me to try and hunt this guy down for them, I am not a debt collector and will chase no-one for them.

Tell me why or how you can defend their actions? do you work for them or something? or are you that ignorant to the issue at hand? I don't think this is funny!

They say only Andrey can sort the issue of me being able to buy an AMS, even though its them who are stopping me doing so. Read previous comments a few more times until it sinks in.

What if they do not sort the issue out with distributor? I have about £15k of software on my device and 1 license from this distributor and now I couldn't even sell it if I wanted to!

[sleepyrz]

I bet if you took a rusty saw blade to his foot he'd comply real quick

People are all sorts of "it's not my problem" until they are about to lose a body part

Some even make it to the first stroke of the saw

Nobody makes it to the second

Come down to Miami

I'll show you how to get business done

Why do you think the alligators are so fat?

[eliasole]

That practise is common , i bought some stuff for my shop and because is for my work is tax free ,but before i must pay taxes and after a period of three months it returns to me. Because the supplier didnt pay his taxes on the state i cant get my returns two years now...

[yugo45]

This is BS.
So if I buy BMW form Local Dealer , and Local Dealer never pay to Factory, Do you think Factory will come and take BMW form me, Hell NOOOOOO.
They will go after Local dealer.

SO ABRITES, Let customers live them life and go after you TRUSTED DISTRIBUTOR, Customers has nothing to do with this, and you have no right to block them devices.
Where it says that you have right to block someone device if your DISTRIBUTOR not paying ?????

All Russian customers should make a big lawsuit agents ABRITES.

[PremierD]

Get Putin to invade Bulgaria ....... bet that would sort it :)

[gokart]

I can't imagine that the Russian distributor hasn't been paying for 4 years and Abrites has just realized it.

[avital]

They are unique scammers. First lifetime free update. Next AMS. Customer should pay for function which wasn't work with valid licenses as exist many bugs. Now they steal time and equipment from end customers. I wish them to meet angry Russian customers at Bulgaria eye to eye, maybe they learn something.

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[tkmotors]

I have talk about this problem about two weeks ago but people on this forum told me that I was saying b....it
Abrites block my online function for mercedes and some others functions but when I have ask them what licence havent been paid by Mr.GLINSKY they replay that FORD AND JAGUAR is outstanding payment which I have bought last December.I have email abrites again why you block my other functions which have been paid but there is no answer.Whoever bought from russian distributor wont be able to renew AMS.

[tkmotors]

AMS is complete joke at the moment every update comin out is new licence so we have to pay for it.

[rivalryan]

The latest response from them was an offer, do you think this is a good deal or what??!!

Hello,
We would like to express our understanding of all the inconveniences this situation has caused to all stakeholders. Be informed that we can generate links for the order that you have made, but you will not be able to use the interface . We hope the Glinsky problem will be solved and your device will be unblocked soon.
Regards,

So I you can take my money for AMS and send me links but it won't work hmm have to think about that one! WTF!

[newone]

Get Putin to invade Bulgaria ....... bet that would sort it :)
you are wrong,abrites is not in Bulgaria but in the Principality of Abrites,they have their own flag and of course their own rules and laws.
555508

[iozo]

I wish you success boys, hope to get away from the unpleasant situation! The bad thing is that knowing the Bulgarian law the chances are minimal and the law is on the side of the one who has more money if you pay nobody is interested in the law.

[rivalryan]

TO: ABRITES LTD
Bulgaria, Sofia,. « Cherni vryh » st,
№ 147
To General Director Elena Drumeva
From IE Glinski, A. A.
196158, RUSSIA, Saint-Petersburg,
Lensoveta st., building 85, 12




Letter №1 from 22.08.2018
To initial № 28/15.08.2018




On your № 28/15.08.2018 I explain the following.

1. You do not fulfill the obligations under the License Agreement of 08.08.2017 (according to paragraph 6.1 of the Contract), namely: 2.1.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.2, 3.3, 4.1, 7.1

2. Since the signing of the Contract, to your address were transferred funds in the amount of 396820 euros. For which Abrites has not provided in full and in due time closing financial documents in accordance with pp 2.3 and 3.3 of the Contract. Invoices that were provided for payment and paid by me, contain incorrect information.At the moment, I have no evidences of how Abrites managed these funds.

3. With Your hand, a campaign of misinformation of customers, causing damage to my business reputation is carrying out. According to item 1 of article 152 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation I ask or to confirm documentary, or to disprove the information discrediting me. A rebuttal and apology in the dissemination of discrediting information about me must be made in the same way that the information was distributed. Also, because of the fact that the information discrediting my honor, dignity and business reputation have become widely known, I demand the publication of apologies and refutation on the main page of Drumeva the website of Abrites according to paragraph 5 of article 152 of the civil code. Otherwise, I reserve the right to apply to the court.

4. Abrites has blocked customers ' devices. In the License agreement of the Abrites published at: http://abrites.com/support/licence-agreement and which regulates the legal relationship between the company Abrites end customer is specified, in which cases the company Abrites could be entitled to block the instruments or revoke the license of users:"The term of the licenses purchased by You is one year and begins on the date of purchase of the basic package or on the date of payment for the annual service subscription, with the acceptance of this license agreement and ends in one of the following cases: • when free service expires from the date of purchase; • when the annual service subscription expires; • if you are not ready to continue using the software; • when the current agreement is terminated at the initiative of Abrites Ltd. The license granted shall terminate immediately if it is determined that attempts have been made to disregard the technical security measures of the software, and if it is determined that the software was used in violation of the provisions of this license agreement.»An excerpt from the License agreement is given on the date of August 22, 2018. There were no violations on my part. I ask to specify numbers of devices on which it is established that users violated the license agreement.In case of not providing this information, Abrites customers will be informed of the violation by the company Abrites the license agreement with users. The liability of the company Abrites is governed by articles 148, 172 of the Tax code of the Russian Federation and article 401 of the Civil code of the Russian Federation.

5. In case of failure in providing documented information on the grounds of blocking users ' devices and continuing the campaign in order to misinform customers and damage my business reputation with inaccurate information by August 27, 2018, a copy of this letter and information on the content of the points of the Contract specified in this letter will be sent to all customers and published on the Internet in order to protect my business reputation, the right to which is guaranteed to me by articles 23 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and 152 of the Civil code of the Russian Federation.

6. I reserve the right to apply to the Arbitration court for recovery of all amounts and interest from Abrites (in accordance with p 4.2 of Contract), as well as interest for the use of other people's funds provided for in article. 395 OF THE CIVIL CODE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, in connection with numerous violations and improper performance of the Contract, as well as a claim for the protection of business reputation, the damage which is currently caused not only in the territory of the Russian Federation, but also in other countries, as well as compensation for financial losses and lost profits in accordance with article 15 of the Civil code of the Russian Federation, suffered by me as a result of illegal actions of Abrites.

7. In accordance with paragraph 8.8 of the Contract, I propose to Mrs. Emilia Tajer negotiations on pre-trial settlement of the conflict


IE Glinski A. A. _______________________«___»_________________2018 year

[rapidlocksmiths]

to someone looking in from the outside , this is a confusing situation , one says bills not paid other says bill is paid , one claims one thing the other claims different and so on . its impossible for anyone looking in to know who speaks the truth and who does not , i suspect abrites and the distributor need to meet and talk to resolve this , only by communicating will they resolve this .

this doesnt excuse the fact that those suffering the most in this situation are innocent customers who paid their money and did things correctly , it makes little sense to make the innocent parties suffer .

if the fault lies with either abrites or the distributor , its a dead end until the truth is revealed , at which time those customers affected should pursue compensation for lost earnings via the guilty party , communication and common sense normally resolves such disputes that or legal action , but until the guilty party is identified those affected are in limbo , which is an awful position .

i hope common sense prevails and this gets resolved

[qeso705]

Rapidlocksmith we know facts and they have end customers in very dark place. When you make AKL for car dealer or through company and at the end you have some troubles with them you go to end customer and put something into locks to make impossible to use your keys? I dont think so and truly i dont know why you try to make abritus guilty smaller.

[rapidlocksmiths]

im not trying to make any of the 2 partys guilt smaller . one of them is indeed guilty , but which one depends upon the truth once known .

both parties are wrong as they should be dealing with each other and not involving or hurting the innocent parties , i only know what i read here , so am not in a position to know whether abrites or the distributor is the guilty party , so wouldnt speculate either way .

so no i dont think its acceptable for so many customers to be in this position , and this does not seem right on any level based on what i have read , though unlike you i dont know the facts and the truths of this messy situation , what i can conclude is someones in the wrong and it isnt the customers.

[qeso705]

I know abritus very well and scam should be part of company name. One from fact is what write tkmotor:
"Abrites block my online function for mercedes and some others functions but when I have ask them what licence havent been paid by Mr.GLINSKY they replay that FORD AND JAGUAR is outstanding payment which I have bought last December.I have email abrites again why you block my other functions which have been paid but there is no answer.Whoever bought from russian distributor wont be able to renew AMS."

It dosent look for threating customers like idiots? Better is that next step for tkmotor will probably banned by abritus for inconvinient questions.

Its even better you do AKL for customer through dealer/second company which dont pay you and after that you put something to locks to all cars which own customer to make it inoperable.

[kaToo]

abritus notice in theyr website

: >
Dear Abrites Users,
In light of the broken down trade partnership between Abrites Ltd. and our Russian partner Mr. Andrey Glinskiy, we would like to ask each one of you who has bought our products from him or feel in any way affected by the recent events to send us their contact details (together with AVDI IDs) to: russia@abrites.com. We will then be able to contact you individually.
Thank you in advance for the understanding!

[PremierD]

So as not to air their dirty linen in public... to late me thinks :)

[vageric]

So as not to air their dirty linen in public... to late me thinks :)

also for blocking the rest they mist before!

[tkmotors]

I have email abrites so many times but the answer is PLEASE CONTACT Mr.GLINSKY TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM so what is going to change if we sent the details to russia@abrites.com.Anyway I will email them to see the answear.

[rapidlocksmiths]

lets hope you have a positive outcome , at least they have announced a route to communicate with them and have asked those affected to contact them , it may lead nowhere but who knows it may lead to resolving this situation , so worth doing to know one way or another

[yellowstilo]

here is a huge market for good developers like Andrius from IO Terminal - when he would put some effort in developing some more special functions there would be plenty of customers who would be glad to buy elsewhere from a trusted seller…..
I am very reluctant spending more money on my AVDI as they can flip the switch any time - i rather buy some extra IO Terminal (offline !) functions which work much faster and more reliable than the AVDI.....

[tkmotors]

here is a huge market for good developers like Andrius from IO Terminal - when he would put some effort in developing some more special functions there would be plenty of customers who would be glad to buy elsewhere from a trusted seller…..
I am very reluctant spending more money on my AVDI as they can flip the switch any time - i rather buy some extra IO Terminal (offline !) functions which work much faster and more reliable than the AVDI.....

We are going to think as well so maybe is time to stop supporting Abrites and invest money in different company.We are locksmith company and now our interface is block so we loosing money every day.We can't trust any more Abrites.

[yellowstilo]

they already didn't have much credits from their customers but now they have gone too far - i don't think there are any happy Abritus customers left, those who still buy at their overrated prices only does this because there is no other alternative but that can change easily when companies like IO terminal start offering more options for more reasonable prices…..
I hope that day will come soon….

[rivalryan]

They started blocking people on the 12th August and only now they have put a notice up as they finally realised this will rubbish their name hurt them with future sales.

I wonder would they have put this notice up and start to back track if people on forums weren't talking about it.....doubt it much!

The owner of the company is Elena Drumeva who is also a board member for KRIB Confederation of employers and industrialists of Bulgaria that are suppose to promote good business ethics ect. what a joke she is part of this. She has even broken the KRIB code of conduct (signed) in her dealings.

The more people spread this message the more heat on them to reconsider treating the customer like shit. They have obviously gotten to big for their boots and need taking down a peg.

[Maartinj]

Vist Abritus in Karlowe Wary on Lockfest
https://www.lockfest.eu/index.php/en/

[sleepyrz]

TO: ABRITES LTD
Bulgaria, Sofia,. « Cherni vryh » st,
№ 147
To General Director Elena Drumeva
From IE Glinski, A. A.
196158, RUSSIA, Saint-Petersburg,
Lensoveta st., building 85, 12




Letter №1 from 22.08.2018
To initial № 28/15.08.2018




On your № 28/15.08.2018 I explain the following.

1. You do not fulfill the obligations under the License Agreement of 08.08.2017 (according to paragraph 6.1 of the Contract), namely: 2.1.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.2, 3.3, 4.1, 7.1

2. Since the signing of the Contract, to your address were transferred funds in the amount of 396820 euros. For which Abrites has not provided in full and in due time closing financial documents in accordance with pp 2.3 and 3.3 of the Contract. Invoices that were provided for payment and paid by me, contain incorrect information.At the moment, I have no evidences of how Abrites managed these funds.

3. With Your hand, a campaign of misinformation of customers, causing damage to my business reputation is carrying out. According to item 1 of article 152 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation I ask or to confirm documentary, or to disprove the information discrediting me. A rebuttal and apology in the dissemination of discrediting information about me must be made in the same way that the information was distributed. Also, because of the fact that the information discrediting my honor, dignity and business reputation have become widely known, I demand the publication of apologies and refutation on the main page of Drumeva the website of Abrites according to paragraph 5 of article 152 of the civil code. Otherwise, I reserve the right to apply to the court.

4. Abrites has blocked customers ' devices. In the License agreement of the Abrites published at: http://abrites.com/support/licence-agreement and which regulates the legal relationship between the company Abrites end customer is specified, in which cases the company Abrites could be entitled to block the instruments or revoke the license of users:"The term of the licenses purchased by You is one year and begins on the date of purchase of the basic package or on the date of payment for the annual service subscription, with the acceptance of this license agreement and ends in one of the following cases: • when free service expires from the date of purchase; • when the annual service subscription expires; • if you are not ready to continue using the software; • when the current agreement is terminated at the initiative of Abrites Ltd. The license granted shall terminate immediately if it is determined that attempts have been made to disregard the technical security measures of the software, and if it is determined that the software was used in violation of the provisions of this license agreement.»An excerpt from the License agreement is given on the date of August 22, 2018. There were no violations on my part. I ask to specify numbers of devices on which it is established that users violated the license agreement.In case of not providing this information, Abrites customers will be informed of the violation by the company Abrites the license agreement with users. The liability of the company Abrites is governed by articles 148, 172 of the Tax code of the Russian Federation and article 401 of the Civil code of the Russian Federation.

5. In case of failure in providing documented information on the grounds of blocking users ' devices and continuing the campaign in order to misinform customers and damage my business reputation with inaccurate information by August 27, 2018, a copy of this letter and information on the content of the points of the Contract specified in this letter will be sent to all customers and published on the Internet in order to protect my business reputation, the right to which is guaranteed to me by articles 23 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and 152 of the Civil code of the Russian Federation.

6. I reserve the right to apply to the Arbitration court for recovery of all amounts and interest from Abrites (in accordance with p 4.2 of Contract), as well as interest for the use of other people's funds provided for in article. 395 OF THE CIVIL CODE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION, in connection with numerous violations and improper performance of the Contract, as well as a claim for the protection of business reputation, the damage which is currently caused not only in the territory of the Russian Federation, but also in other countries, as well as compensation for financial losses and lost profits in accordance with article 15 of the Civil code of the Russian Federation, suffered by me as a result of illegal actions of Abrites.

7. In accordance with paragraph 8.8 of the Contract, I propose to Mrs. Emilia Tajer negotiations on pre-trial settlement of the conflict


IE Glinski A. A. _______________________«___»_________________2018 year




ok so basically i think hes saying i paid you and you did not fulfill your end of the contract by the term stated(or possibly never got fulfilled at all)

but i think hes also sort of saying "since you didnt fulfill your end of the contract i dont have to continue paying you"

notice he mentions an "amount paid" to abrites

but there is no mention of total amount due really.......



remember legalese is some of the trickiest language there is


anyone got a copy of the license agreement????

[rivalryan]

The posting of this letter was just give more of an insight as to the disagreement between the two parties, even if he does owe money ABRITES are at fault 100%. They say they had it in the contract with him that they could block devices if he didn't didn't keep a clear balance (even though I believe this to be lies to justify the behaviour somehow) so from the outset they didn't give a shit about the customer if this could be a reality. They are tying to ruin the distributors name by doing all this, though people have seen through it and see who is really in the wrong with their behaviour.

Why not do what any other company would do and take him to court, why go this route ask yourself!

[tkmotors]

What abrites done is unacceptable.Please spread this in every forum to worn people before they decide to purchase this product from abrites.

[gttuning]

I cant believe that abrites banned end users from using their tools.
Its abrites problem if they choose wrong dealer to represent them in russia.

Feel sorry for all these guys that have their tools banned.
Couse they done nothing wrong..all they done is went to spend their hard earned money to a official abrites dealer.
Very sad.

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[whiskeyman]

and its no wonder that vvdi are doing so well in this market now
my advise to abrities company
carry on what your doing
its a great way to end your company

[isma123]

when i got my vvdi and with other tools not use avdi any more

[rivalryan]

It's to big a risk to buy anymore software from them in the future now as they can just pull the plug, all software will be on a server in the future thats the route they are going, no AMS = absolutely no software and they don't give a damn about it!

[madman47]

Far out, what a drama! Im sorry to hear all you involved with this sh!t thing ABRITES have done. In way way im very pleased this has happened now, I was very seriously looking at purchasing a full package, but, now?? FORGET IT!
What ABRITES is doing, is pretty much blackmail

I will be taking my money elsewhere.

[pkeeney]

This is BS.
So if I buy BMW form Local Dealer , and Local Dealer never pay to Factory, Do you think Factory will come and take BMW form me, Hell NOOOOOO.
They will go after Local dealer.

SO ABRITES, Let customers live them life and go after you TRUSTED DISTRIBUTOR, Customers has nothing to do with this, and you have no right to block them devices.
Where it says that you have right to block someone device if your DISTRIBUTOR not paying ?????

All Russian customers should make a big lawsuit agents ABRITES.

Yes the banks will repo your vehicle! Seen it happen.

[ps80l]

Yes the banks will repo your vehicle! Seen it happen.

I've seen this if I the customer don't pay for vehicle. Never seen or heard of someone getting their car repo because the dealer is having issues with manufacturer.
Pkeeney...please point us to some articles showing this. I'm very curious.

[rivalryan]

Yes the banks will repo your vehicle! Seen it happen.

If PC world go bust will the bank come and raid my house for my PC and electrical items that I bought?

Stop trying to defend the Abrites, no excuse for their dirty behaviour!

[gttuning]

Yes the banks will repo your vehicle! Seen it happen.Is that in North Korea??..
Please think befor you post...
No company can act like this.no matter if its abrites...or not
If this is the policy they have then they done one thing....they got rid of all dealers couse cant see any body buying elsewhere only main office.

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[isma123]

RUssian MAFIA :2in1::beheaded::beheaded::beheaded:

[jodge]

they are bulgarians...

[pkeeney]

I've seen this if I the customer don't pay for vehicle. Never seen or heard of someone getting their car repo because the dealer is having issues with manufacturer.
Pkeeney...please point us to some articles showing this. I'm very curious.

I will, give me a few it happen in 2005 my brother and several hundred other cars got repo and dealer dipped with a few million


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[gttuning]

Better news for you guys in Russia [emoji108][emoji106]

Dear Abrites Users,
As we have proven time and again, Abrites always has your best interest at heart, which is why we would like to confirm that all previously blocked interfaces because of the unpaid invoices by Mr. Andrey Glinskiy (even though you have paid your functions to him) are now unblocked and you can use them as you have before. Unfortunately, we have exhausted all peaceful means in which to get our money from Mr. Glinskiy, which is why we will begin a legal battle with him in court, however once again, we DO NOT believe that our customers should suffer because of this dispute and we will take any possible financial losses in order to assure you, that we will always be there for you and we will continue to achieve the impossible together.
Please also excuse us for the delay in this process, however we have had to collect your emails through various channels as we did not have them previously. If you have not received your updates by Friday, 21 September, please write to


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[whiskeyman]

first positive thing i have see abrities do in a long time
credit where credit due

[rivalryan]

They haven't proven anything other than you can't trust them! trying to sound great now for unblocking devices that they should never have banned in the first place! you know what they say about self praise...

[PremierD]

Do you think maybe this thread has made a difference .. to their attitude then ? just curios :)

[drugowaz]

For sure. They do reseache too and see all reviews on them.

[topclef]

Do you think maybe this thread has made a difference .. to their attitude then ? just curios :)


i think yes , thank you digital-kaos :star:

[rivalryan]

I'm sure it made quite a difference...also to their pocket!

[whiskeyman]

think there pocket been getting hit hard this past while due to all the updates that are never free
just the take take take

wonder what vvdi turnover was last year?????

[sylver989]

Chineses abrites never block shame in original tool :rangers2:

[Locksmiths]

So glad this post exists,
it just saved me a few $1000's euro's.
because of what I wanted to buy.

So glad I logged on

[rapidlocksmiths]

it will depend on what licences you wish to buy , i find fiat , PSA , Vauxhall and Mitsubishi excellent , renault, nissan and hyundai/kia all good , vag is still excellent just expensive compared to alternative options , bmw ok if careful and mercedes same . so really depends what coverage you need.

[qeso705]

They don't treat customer serious rapid and i am almost sure that you can't proof that it isn't true. They never make deep test, always customer is beta tester. I don't use them since years but from latest scams Delphi PSA bsi killed units, Hyundai/Kia is ripped Londsor. It need online too which is danger beside client side. When you say on any big forum that something not work you are biggest problem not no working function.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i use abrites every day , yes its let me down , but its also made me a very good living , its just one of many tools i have , and despite the frustrations id rather have it than not . they all use us as beta testers , IEA and recently advanced diagnostics with smart pro , both released non fit for purpose machines full of bugs and used their paying customers to beta test and generate log files to fix issues , im not saying that this is right but it is normal with many manufacturers , theres no trade like this one where you can get away with this .

id be lying if i said abrites was perfect , but id also be lying if i said it was a poor investment , for me its paid back and earnt well , especially in past when it lead the field by a long way , id agree its not got the advantages it once had , but in the time ive had it it has been a solid investment .

there customer service has never been the best , though im told this can depend on distributor as some are better im told than others , they do invent ways to squeeze more out of you with licence jiggles which is not good , but on whole its served me well. whether id buy it today for the 1st time then im not sure , as it doesnt now offer the advantages it once did , but is still a useful machine .

i prefer truecode on what it covers , i prefer g-scan on what it covers , i prefer AD on some and zed on others , all have there place but as i have abrites i use it and i would miss it.

[qeso705]

i use abrites every day , yes its let me down , but its also made me a very good living , its just one of many tools i have , and despite the frustrations id rather have it than not . they all use us as beta testers , IEA and recently advanced diagnostics with smart pro , both released non fit for purpose machines full of bugs and used their paying customers to beta test and generate log files to fix issues , im not saying that this is right but it is normal with many manufacturers , theres no trade like this one where you can get away with this .

id be lying if i said abrites was perfect , but id also be lying if i said it was a poor investment , for me its paid back and earnt well , especially in past when it lead the field by a long way , id agree its not got the advantages it once had , but in the time ive had it it has been a solid investment .

there customer service has never been the best , though im told this can depend on distributor as some are better im told than others , they do invent ways to squeeze more out of you with licence jiggles which is not good , but on whole its served me well. whether id buy it today for the 1st time then im not sure , as it doesnt now offer the advantages it once did , but is still a useful machine .

i prefer truecode on what it covers , i prefer g-scan on what it covers , i prefer AD on some and zed on others , all have there place but as i have abrites i use it and i would miss it.

My problem with them is that Abritus is second on my list direct after Cryptoworks but Cryptoworks was few time cheaper. Locksmith industry no last to long, all cars manufacture will introduce phones as keys or smartwatches. Internet connectivity can blacklist keys not added by dealer in few seconds, additionally any access to unit is slowly nearly impossible(mcu locked, unique aes keys stored outside main memory(even you get one it gives you nothing at second unit)). In my opinion it is no worth to put 10k+ for device where developer don't care at all for end user and additional most of functions are overpriced.

[rapidlocksmiths]

in many ways i agree , this wasnt always the case , it had its hay day and those that made it pay back then did far better than those buying today i suspect .
sadly the attitude of manufacturers to there customers is the same throughout this area , none care to much about the end user , its all about the money and nothing else , there a a few exceptions , truecode being one that does give great value and looks after there customers well.

for some its paid well , for some its been a disaster , mines well into profit so for me its been a succesful investment , if i turned the clocks back id buy again without hesitation , but as i say if new and buying again today then thats another thing entirely.

[ahadi]

Ep001 is very good , If it continues in update , it is possible to compete with large companies.

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[mra999]

Abrites give lot of pain with money so if any one want to buy pain then buy abrites tool this is what i can understand

[borshch]

Heard bad stuff about this company before, good thing I stayed away from them. Now definitely will stay away. Thank you for this thread and posts.

[Meat-Head]

If one says paid one not, each party agrees on total amount spent (paid or not) then gets their banks to duplicate
statements

[weza247]

I've had my avdi for 11 months when I connect online like BMW and says check internet communication does this mean my AMS is up? And my internet is ok tested good

[i-vtec]

THIEF ALERT! BE CAREFUL!

Everyone who is that stupid to update PSA software will be ROBBED for 1200 Euro!

[immoneard]

I've had my avdi for 11 months when I connect online like BMW and says check internet communication does this mean my AMS is up? And my internet is ok tested good

If you using winXP , it is not supported anymore by AVDI , need WIn7 and up.

[bonecrusher]

With abrites new stance on only assisting clients who must now pay for SUPPORT PLAN and AMS before any assistance and license scandals. they are definitely untrustworthy. Please guys consider other tools.

[whiskeyman]

With abrites new stance on only assisting clients who must now pay for SUPPORT PLAN and AMS before any assistance and license scandals. they are definitely untrustworthy. Please guys consider other tools.

I think most have
abrities are bound to have seen a massive decrease in profit this year and will only get worse for them

[datapage]

Equal to tm100, company kills interfaces. Clowns or kids on the board?
Some countries the company would be sued and closed.
Customers always have to have priorities and cannot afford mistakes from company representatives.
AVDI inso badly the worst.

[wd bau]

after last update Toyota commander software crush when using to dump tool , i contact them they tell me to pay this ticket to solve their problem , those people smoke new stuff :biggrin::canabis:

[i-vtec]

...but they have very small dick and this stuff is to strong for them

[immoneard]

after last update Toyota commander software crush when using to dump tool , i contact them they tell me to pay this ticket to solve their problem , those people smoke new stuff :biggrin::canabis:

They doing this to every one , I really do not know what is wrong with this people. They mess up Software and want you to pay for that to fix it . I think every single person had problem with last update from April and they did not do anything about that.

[pepi]

I have complay to them after fail to correct mileage on EDC17C46 with BOOT . Same to they told me that I have to pay assit plan to them , I answer them that I dont need ta assist me on my work just need to answer why their tool not work for that we have payd them.
Also their user manul is not updated for a long time , I really dont know if I am going to invest any more in this tool.
Time for another trusted tool.


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[lukac1337]

I have complay to them after fail to correct mileage on EDC17C46 with BOOT . Same to they told me that I have to pay assit plan to them , I answer them that I dont need ta assist me on my work just need to answer why their tool not work for that we have payd them.
Also their user manul is not updated for a long time , I really dont know if I am going to invest any more in this tool.
Time for another trusted tool.


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I think there isn't alternative for Abrites...

[datapage]

Imagine each user, paying 15 euros ... to complain.

[jmautoman]

I would say just one thing ...
Abrites is in Bulgeria but the prices are from Monaco... I will not invest more money in this company. The Abrites in full version I belive only thieves can afford....
That's only my opinion...

[fred77]

I would say just one thing ...
Abrites is in Bulgeria but the prices are from Monaco... I will not invest more money in this company. The Abrites in full version I belive only thieves can afford....
That's only my opinion...


Mine you there's alot of people who code keys for a fiver.
So when buying expensive kit, there's no money in the bank.

Saying that, if there is a cheaper alternative, then yeah great.

Prices are what they are, buy or don't buy. Free world
No need to stress

[rapidlocksmiths]

I would say just one thing ...
Abrites is in Bulgeria but the prices are from Monaco... I will not invest more money in this company. The Abrites in full version I belive only thieves can afford....
That's only my opinion...

back when abrites was number 1 , nobody could come close to their coverage on VAG , Fiat , BMW , Mercedes , PSA , Vauxhall , Mitsubishi , even nissan and renault held distinct advantages , ford sadly has never been more than adequate though , abrites were developing the new coverage a long while before anyone else giving its users a distinct advantage over their competition , in fact my abrites paid for itself on fiat alone in no time , as well as psa and vauxhall , there was a time the full deal was dearer , ie you got less for your money , but it was very easy to get payback on the tool as it was simply the best tool on the market with the best late model coverage giving users big advantages, it was mainly auto locksmiths buying it as it gave them advantages and made earning simple .

then it went sour , for some reason development slowed to a trickle then , to what we have now it has almost halted , bugs not being fixed , new bugs appearing after update and the licence jiggles on vag making previously working functions now not work unless a new licence is purchased, sqeezing long term customers for more money by paying again for what they used to own , then they removed bmw offline software alienating many more , their lack of new coverage development has allowed others to catch up including china offerings and some have surpassed abrites coverage which was once unheard of .

so at present it may not be the best option as cheaper options exist for same coverage , this wasnt always the case , when they lead the way and the advantages they gave us allowed us to get payback and profit fairly easily , so the full deal was once affordable and was guaranteed to pay back , sadly these days are gone , whether they ever come back depends on whether abrites get any more developers i suspect and if they can keep their long standing customers , sadly they seem intent on alienating and losing their existing customers as they struggle to find new ways to squeeze a little more money from them .

i certainly wouldnt advise abrites to new guys today , but there was a time id have advised them to buy as much as they can afford or borrow from the bank to buy as was great kit guaranteeing anyone who knew their stuff payback and profit , just another example of how no one stays number 1 for ever , and stay number 1 even less time if they alienate and lose the trust of their customers.

i cant say i regret buying abrites , as i dont , its been a fantastic tool and has made me a very very good living for many years , it owes me nothing , i still use it daily and it still makes money for me , despite the current issues it is still a very decent tool , and still has the potential to get back on top , so i have no issues with the tool , the issues seem now to be the company owners , the lack of development , the licence jiggling and the complete contempt they show to their customers , it is these owners/management that are letting down their tool and their investors and customers alike , the tool will only continue if they change their ways .

[Weasel3]

What is this ?

Release date 5th December 2019.


We would also like to introduce 2 BRAND NEW products:

(FMS) Full maintenance subscription - 1-year subscription that includes all of the special functions released during that year as well as AMS and SPS - 2 450 EUR

(KMS) Key maintenance subscription - 1-year subscription that includes all of the special functions related to key programming released during that year as well as
AMS and SPS - 1 600 EUR

Please note that in order for a customer to purchase a Full maintenance subscription (FMS), they need to have an AVDI Full v18 active and if they want to purchase a Key maintenance subscription (KMS), they need to have an AVDI Key v12 active


This means that if you only have one brand on your VCI from AVDI. Like Volvo or Nissan or something. For key programming.
You need to pay 1600EURO in one year, to get updates and AMS and SPS.

If this is true, it is totally crazy. I hope not.
Maybe someone can confirm the facts.

The tool could be alright to have in the basket.
Doing well on specific brands.
But if it is true what I am reading. It is a total turn off.


EDIT:
Wait I read this:
Please note that in order for a customer to purchase a Full maintenance subscription (FMS), they need to have an AVDI Full v18 active and if they want to purchase a Key maintenance subscription (KMS), they need to have an AVDI Key v12 active

So it is only for the customers who have every brand activated.


So how much is it.
One years AMS and SPS.
Having only a couple of licenses.

[rapidlocksmiths]

in uk ams is £199 plus tax , then gets more expensive if wanting a support package , extended warranty etc , its 200 euros for basic ams in europe if your current ams is under 31 days expired more if expired longer

[weza247]

What is this ?

Release date 5th December 2019.


We would also like to introduce 2 BRAND NEW products:

(FMS) Full maintenance subscription - 1-year subscription that includes all of the special functions released during that year as well as AMS and SPS - 2 450 EUR

(KMS) Key maintenance subscription - 1-year subscription that includes all of the special functions related to key programming released during that year as well as
AMS and SPS - 1 600 EUR

Please note that in order for a customer to purchase a Full maintenance subscription (FMS), they need to have an AVDI Full v18 active and if they want to purchase a Key maintenance subscription (KMS), they need to have an AVDI Key v12 active


This means that if you only have one brand on your VCI from AVDI. Like Volvo or Nissan or something. For key programming.
You need to pay 1600EURO in one year, to get updates and AMS and SPS.

If this is true, it is totally crazy. I hope not.
Maybe someone can confirm the facts.

The tool could be alright to have in the basket.
Doing well on specific brands.
But if it is true what I am reading. It is a total turn off.


EDIT:
Wait I read this:
Please note that in order for a customer to purchase a Full maintenance subscription (FMS), they need to have an AVDI Full v18 active and if they want to purchase a Key maintenance subscription (KMS), they need to have an AVDI Key v12 active

So it is only for the customers who have every brand activated.


So how much is it.
One years AMS and SPS.
Having only a couple of licenses.

If that's the case they can pay my money back what I've spent and take there tool back, this AMS is a bunch of bull crap.. ams should be free and only pay for what u want. There is so much competition in this world now with this kinda work it's not worth spending that type of money..

[whiskeyman]

welcome to the world of abrities..............

[rapidlocksmiths]

AMS itself is not that expensive , 200 euros for the year , this gives you updates , sometimes new licences , bug fixes and use of their online servers which is necessary for some licences , i pay a bit more than this as i have extended warranty as well , and of course im in uk so always dearer than europe.

the figures refered to in the post are not ams costs , these are for people that have full avdi already only , if they pay these new schemes it includes all new software and licences they release in the comming year rather than have to buy the new licences , so its a prebuy scheme.

[SadCriss]

Is there any othertool on the market that can cover option for the AVDI:
MN026-Key Programming, EIS/ESL/DAS Manager/7-Gear ETC/ISM/IR and password reader/Personalization/Activation/Coding
MN027-Abrites FBS4 Manager
BN012 - Advanced coding functionality (BMW Coding and vin change)
PO009-Module Adaptation (Porsche)
VN002 - Parts Adaptation Special Function (VAG)

I am really ready to get these tool but after reading these topic It made me realy think.
what I need is a tool that I can use to program used modules on these vehicles. For Mercedes Im intrested in the Transmision ecu,For BMW in sound sistem and transmission.VAG airbag modules mostly.
So I was thinking about these and having the AVDI copatible with ODIS and Xentry diagnosis would help a lot.
But right now I'm kinda confused and really not know what should I doo....

Any advice would be much apreciated

[Gavra]

If you were working up to 2020 without these licences, you do not need any tool for adaptation. Stay in your current trade and be happy.

[SadCriss]

If you were working up to 2020 without these licences, you do not need any tool for adaptation. Stay in your current trade and be happy.

The market is changing and need to adapt... otherwise customers move away and it will be difficult to get them back...
So I need to get something so I can keep my customers

[tagirdn]

I have been working with abrites for about 14 years. A lot has been done. Of course, I don't like the manufacturer's policy very much. Especially their support. After all, the device is expensive. But the device works out its investment. What it does well. Something bad. This can be said about all devices. I would buy it now. Probably not. But there is one. That's why I keep making money with it.

[fred77]

i always look at clones for reference
- this forum nocks Abrites yet can't b 2 bad otherwise clones wouldn't' exist (FVDI and yes VVDI)

people who don't make money are those who blame tool for their own failings :)




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joined tech support don't like it but hay - hopefully help

[rob h]

There is a universy deal. 799euro, interface and protag, and case.That is the starter package. Is ams included?I am still waiting for a appreciating old customer deal!

[flyfvdi]

Abrites avdi is the best , svci 2020 is a crap, only fvdi 2014 which is the best clone of abrites and the most stable.

[TERMINATOR1000]

There is a universy deal. 799euro, interface and protag, and case.That is the starter package. Is ams included?I am still waiting for a appreciating old customer deal!

it's too late , promo is ending , 1350€ today

[fytfh]

ii have buyed abrites universy starter pack and have tested some unlock function component protection online calculation and yes work good have unlocked some module on A4 generation 2 is not for free but for 40 euro is good function

[didi_du_93000]

i do it with odis online for half of your price. and NEVER let me down!!!

And for this price i can do anythink for 1 hour!!!!

[godfathertre]

Anybody can reccomend a uk
Dealer for avdi want to buy basic plus protag
Interface thank you.

[TERMINATOR1000]

:indecisiveness:

, 793533

Need to awaiting next summer discount ( 25/30%) , today 1280+20% VAT in Bulgaria , but no VAT on https://www.mk3.com ...

[Invisible]

hi

Never, ever, will recomend someone to purchase Abrites too.

I own from long and only troubles:

I purchased from kapdiag, at the begining ok guys, they ship fast and everyting ok.
I got banned once from kapdiag forum for asking a tecnical question...crazy..after some emails I get access back.

Then updates gets payed, ok, payed, then updates not working --> rising a ticket, after a lots of emails, record a video and then asked me to purchase a remote support session for 100€..????
they have a bug and I have to pay for it... :D :D

In the middle of this, lots of mails, both from kapdiag and abrites too, one day abrites says ok and next day another abrites guy/girl say the oppposite..wtf.
How a support employer from Abrites can oficialy say something and change his mind?, is this a serious company or some clowns playing games?

About kapdiag, well, what to say, does they think someone purchasing a big figure tool have spare time for nosenses?, they must,
asking for some technical question most of the times end on hard words...is that a support?...I doubt

My experience, very bad support, no trustable company, not for serious bussiness. No garage can afford a serious service with this backoffice.

My two cents, Abrites GTFY.

[fred77]

hi

Never, ever, will recomend someone to purchase Abrites too.

I own from long and only troubles:

I purchased from kapdiag, at the begining ok guys, they ship fast and everyting ok.
I got banned once from kapdiag forum for asking a tecnical question...crazy..after some emails I get access back.

Then updates gets payed, ok, payed, then updates not working --> rising a ticket, after a lots of emails, record a video and then asked me to purchase a remote support session for 100€..????
they have a bug and I have to pay for it... :D :D

In the middle of this, lots of mails, both from kapdiag and abrites too, one day abrites says ok and next day another abrites guy/girl say the oppposite..wtf.
How a support employer from Abrites can oficialy say something and change his mind?, is this a serious company or some clowns playing games?

About kapdiag, well, what to say, does they think someone purchasing a big figure tool have spare time for nosenses?, they must,
asking for some technical question most of the times end on hard words...is that a support?...I doubt

My experience, very bad support, no trustable company, not for serious bussiness. No garage can afford a serious service with this backoffice.

My two cents, Abrites GTFY.




Sadly KAP a UK distributor, does reflect on Abrites

Why on earth they use KAP. Remember my 1st experience when a middle-eastern accented guy from KAP phoned me back saying what's going on?
Expecting me to purchase from him hard-sell or else. And then their forum was indeed a joke u missed nothing -

Thankfully I went on to purchase direct from Abrites website. Alot of people haven't and recon worse for it.



As for bad support - least support. You try China lol

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The kit is good on certain makes - do research and look at list of tools i have. G-scan soon!

[fuzz1]

I have complay to them after fail to correct mileage on EDC17C46 with BOOT . Same to they told me that I have to pay assit plan to them , I answer them that I dont need ta assist me on my work just need to answer why their tool not work for that we have payd them.
Also their user manul is not updated for a long time , I really dont know if I am going to invest any more in this tool.
Time for another trusted tool.


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Hi what other tool have you found as replacement for abrites

[rapidlocksmiths]

plenty on some things , nothing on other applications . many tools have caught up on alot of functions , but abrites still the go to tool on alot.

[fuzz1]

What about the one from topdon? Or autel are they that far behind?

[fred77]

What about the one from topdon? Or autel are they that far behind?

Autel r more universal and less good on specifics like PSA pin extraction. And not that cheap when think of annual subscription vs Abrites AMS.
Actually trying to do EDC17 on VVDI and useless. Abrites always 1st choice on VAG unless MQB.


Payback on all these tools are getting tougher

[rapidlocksmiths]

payback harder due to the messers and price cutters , lower rates mean lower investment pots for many . it will be the messers and the pricecutters that stop future development as developers wont develop if the money falls out of it for them , so they utelise their skills in other industries instead .

[whiskeyman]

has avdi stick buggered up the landrover/jag function so you have too still use there own keys

[PixelsFixed]

has avdi stick buggered up the landrover/jag function so you have too still use there own keys

That's my understanding. If you're using AVDI for post 2015 JLR, you need to use their keys.

I think there are better solutions for 2015-2019/20.

[whiskeyman]

That's my understanding. If you're using AVDI for post 2015 JLR, you need to use their keys.

I think there are better solutions for 2015-2019/20.
i remember they changed for all years then turned it back then changed again
so we can still do before 2015 with aftermarket keys lads
ave not tested for a while so if anyone has done recently would like too hear

this tool goes back and forth so much, one day it work next it dont ........................

[PixelsFixed]

i remember they changed for all years then turned it back then changed again
so we can still do before 2015 with aftermarket keys lads
ave not tested for a while so if anyone has done recently would like too hear

this tool goes back and forth so much, one day it work next it dont ........................


I think so. I've a few decent options for pre 2019/20 models, so I only need JLR005. I don't use AVDI for earlier than 2019/20 JLR.

[Frankcar]

i tried for renew TCU C class 2006 on the bench , renew Done
But after write EIS dump for personalization , Hash data Is defective.
anyone can help me ? Is there a solution ?
Part number : 0034460310 Siemens
VGS72/73

[baddaren]

I am very happy I never ever bought albrites, thank you guys. Also for what are you using it, we are making 5-10 car keys every day and we do not have albrites. Is it something it can do that no other tool can??

[TERMINATOR1000]

I am very happy I never ever bought albrites, thank you guys. Also for what are you using it, we are making 5-10 car keys every day and we do not have albrites. Is it something it can do that no other tool can??


All New Dacia , All new Renault , All New PSA Opel .... if you're not in France , if you're no need to do all job ... Buy AUTEL im , it's enough for work like all Beer Locksmiths !

[KEYTH]

beer locksmiths lol. Who the hell wants to live in france lol

[rapidlocksmiths]

It is true that other tools have caught up with abrites on many functions , its advantages are far less today than they were in the past , especially as some have copied it , vvdi wouldnt be the tool it is today without first copying abrites .

ive had abrites over 12 years , and it paid back very quickly as there was a point it did far more than any other tool on vag , fiat , psa , opel , bmw , mercedes etc , these were the times where users got payback quickly.

it may not have as many advantages as it once had , but it is still the best and my go to tool on psa , renault , opel , fiat etc , nothing else for me is as good on these .

it is harder today for new users to get quick payback as we did in the past , but if you see enough of the newer psa renault and fiat then payback is quicker.

it has its negatives and as a company they do alienate loyal customers , but as a tool its still at the top of the tree for now at least , as todays top tool is often next years dust catcher , but not yet.

[baddaren]

All New Dacia , All new Renault , All New PSA Opel .... if you're not in France , if you're no need to do all job ... Buy AUTEL im , it's enough for work like all Beer Locksmiths !
Thank you all, I will take a look at Dacia, Renault , PSA and opel. All thow I do not feel like a Beer Locksmith. By now I have invested 300 000 GRP in machines and stock. Car application list for albrites, I find in albrites homepage?

[baddaren]

Hello , All New Dacia , All new Renault , All New PSA Opel. Can you please give me an example where AVDI is the only way? Maybe I am stupid, but I can not find anything. How do you guys know what you can do for cars with AVDI? I have smart pro and TDB1000, both have sort of car application lists. My keys Pro and diagnostic box, great info.

[baddaren]

I do have lots of other programmers to. I work with OBD and e prom. So far I have tryed to avoid Londsdor K518, not honest, changing the rules all the time. Abrites, very very expensive. Better to avoid if you can. So far, no one of the people that says AVDI is great. But they could not say why . What is it it can do that no other kit can? I estimate I can do some 90% of all Cars, if stretching it I could probably do 95% of all existing car keys with remotes. But it is no idea, for example. making volvo remotes before 2007 I need volvo dice/vida, orginal key and abonement on volvo server. I would make very little money on that volvo key, or I am I wrong????

[askkey]

Hello , All New Dacia , All new Renault , All New PSA Opel. Can you please give me an example where AVDI is the only way? Maybe I am stupid, but I can not find anything. How do you guys know what you can do for cars with AVDI? I have smart pro and TDB1000, both have sort of car application lists. My keys Pro and diagnostic box, great info.

Now that you mention it I guess Abrites does not have a coverage list like the competition. Not that I know of.

I know that before they moved the site to the new domain (the one from the shop) they had some info on all manufacturers like the fuctions they offer or types of immo systems they cover but nothing like the list for example Autel offers. The closest thing was the table for Mercedes coverage by chasis model they put out once they released the OBD/IR key password reading for FBS3 but I can not find even that on the site aymore.

I am assuming they do not have such list since (at least from my experience) they often release function that do not cover 100% of the models they adverise and usualy they demand addition payment for new licenses for the remaining vehicles once they crack (or nowadays buy) the remaining systems.

Examples of this are the MeganeIII/Scenic Hitag 2 key card programing where there was the first license for models 2008-2014 but that did not cover the 2015 model year. Once they got the software working for the 2015 model year they requred a new license for it. Later they combined the licenses for those and both older and newer cars but if you still have the old 2008-2014 license you have to pay if you want to do a 2015 year Scenic for example.

Another example is MQB key programming that they advertised as "FIRST IN THE WORLD". They offered the Continetal 2014+ dash under one license and when they released the Continetal 2012-2013 dash they wanted an aditional payment. Not to mention the horrid 20 euro token price for JCI and Virtual cockpit CS calculation.

I think that they are keeping it vague intentionaly so that less knowlegeble / experienced people assume a greater coverage that what it accualy is.

I myself assumed several times that a model is covered and not working properly because the software is buggy only to be suprised with an aditional lisence a few years later for that exact model.
For exaple the Iveco van shares the same platform like the Fiat Ducato, Citroen Jumpe, Peugeot Boxer. They all have the same M. Marelli BCM and use the same Hitag2 7946 key. PCB and everything. Now a couple of times i got 2016+ Ivecos that i was not able to program via OBD with AVDI. I was still able to program keys via OBD for Ducato/Jumper/Boxer 2016+ without issues. Iveco 2016+ still has the same key and a M.Marelli BCM so I assumed, like any rational human would, that it must be a bug. Imagine my suprise when i saw a couple of years later the 2016+ Iveco software advertised as a new brekthrough and priced together with Gulia software as 1600 euro. Now I do not know the current price since I do not have any plans to buy it but I imagine it has only gone up it they combined the license with newer stuff.

About your question of how we know what AVDI covers, I am speaking only for myself here but I am assuming a lot of peaople do it like this. It is a combination of experience with the device and keeping up with the news on the site. Nothing much to it. Still if a 2000euro programer covers it , you can expect AVDI to cover it as well. But they are not as open with the shortcomings. Only to find the right license it will takes a little bit of time. (Except Honda. AVDI is bad with Honda. But i think the honda software is still free.)

Long story short, do not trust the adverites covered models without a transparent and easily confirmable coverage list.

[askkey]

I do have lots of other programmers to. I work with OBD and e prom. So far I have tryed to avoid Londsdor K518, not honest, changing the rules all the time. Abrites, very very expensive. Better to avoid if you can. So far, no one of the people that says AVDI is great. But they could not say why . What is it it can do that no other kit can? I estimate I can do some 90% of all Cars, if stretching it I could probably do 95% of all existing car keys with remotes. But it is no idea, for example. making volvo remotes before 2007 I need volvo dice/vida, orginal key and abonement on volvo server. I would make very little money on that volvo key, or I am I wrong????


You are right. To my knowledge nowhere on the abrites site says that Volvos below MY2007 are unsupported. It only says that 2008+ Hitag2 cars are supporter and from that you have to extrapolate that everything else in not supported. That is one of the more straightforward examples. More often you will find a situation where you can not guess what works and what does not work without a ton of knowlege and research and even then you can get caught offguard.

[Keyim]

beer locksmiths lol. Who the hell wants to live in france lol

I guess the French ppl :-)

[baddaren]

Thank You ASKKEY and RAPID, You are both great. Thank you for the help and support. I am now at a stage, when buying new tool I look at a specific car or sometimes car brand. Bought the Barracuda for johnsson dashboard (MQB). I am going to try to stay away from AVDI, the way it discriminates old customers and try squeeze money, it does not feel serious. Little crook company. After buying SKP1000 with free updates for life, Lonsdor K518 qualifies under crook company too.You can not trust them. I will try to avoid these. There are also bigger companies trying to do some money squeze, SILCA. Silca Futura Cost 12000GRP in sweden and 6000GRP in the USA, 50% cheaper. Price varies, depending what country you are in. I tried to sell Silca UNICODE 399 from sweden to the UK. The Locksmith that bought the machine in the UK tried to update silca key program in the UK, silca refused. Had to ship the machine back to sweden. Silca Have regions! Is that legal? I have both keyline and silca electronic key machines. With keyline it is no problem. Thanks

[KEYTH]

Lol but have you asked them... I would say 608, tdb1000, and vvdi's

[KEYTH]

Lol but have you asked them... I would say 608, zedfull, tdb1000, and vvdi's

[rapidlocksmiths]

you will find that many tool makers look for money squeezes these days , ilco has just upset their usa customers for trying to sell equipment into their customers customers , silca inventing new ways to sqeeze money out of their AD customers , many items previously free to use now need tokens , many new models require 2 tokens , abrites constantly taking offline functionality away from you , splitting licences etc , even the chinese are moving away from abandoning tools to an annual subs system .
The majority of diag suppliers will sell to anyone that pays , none have your interests in mind .

no matter where or what you buy they will all shaft you at some point down the line .

abrites is still a good buy on some makes and model , as is smart pro , as is autel as is tdb etc , but at some point each will frustrate you .

[p1et]

For exaple the Iveco van shares the same platform like the Fiat Ducato, Citroen Jumpe, Peugeot Boxer. They all have the same M. Marelli BCM and use the same Hitag2 7946 key. PCB and everything. Now a couple of times i got 2016+ Ivecos that i was not able to program via OBD with AVDI. I was still able to program keys via OBD for Ducato/Jumper/Boxer 2016+ without issues. Iveco 2016+ still has the same key and a M.Marelli BCM so I assumed, like any rational human would, that it must be a bug. Imagine my suprise when i saw a couple of years later the 2016+ Iveco software advertised as a new brekthrough and priced together with Gulia software as 1600 euro. Now I do not know the current price since I do not have any plans to buy it but I imagine it has only gone up it they combined the license with newer stuff.


Iveco is not the same as Fiat, beside it use same remote type and same BCM type. I think no other tool can prepare dealer key and program Iveco 2016+ all by OBD.

[askkey]

Iveco is not the same as Fiat, beside it use same remote type and same BCM type. I think no other tool can prepare dealer key and program Iveco 2016+ all by OBD.
I remember my Lonsdor definitely had that option. But that was befor the device went up in smoke :D . I never tried it myself so I can not confirm how well it works.
But that is beside the point. I never said it is the same , I just said that I assumed it was covered by my current licenses because of the similarities in the vehicles and that the missunderstanding occured because of the untransparent coverage from AVDI.

[rapidlocksmiths]

abrites does do 2016 plus iveco

[KEYTH]

That is very true

[p1et]

I remember my Lonsdor definitely had that option. But that was befor the device went up in smoke :D . I never tried it myself so I can not confirm how well it works.
But that is beside the point. I never said it is the same , I just said that I assumed it was covered by my current licenses because of the similarities in the vehicles and that the missunderstanding occured because of the untransparent coverage from AVDI.

Lonsdor can program but can't read info from BCM to prepare dealer key so you must have other tool to prepare dealer key on table, ex. TMpro2

[baddaren]

About Iveco 2016+ , from what it looks like Autel can do it. Or I am I wrong??

[baddaren]

About Iveco 2016+ , from what it looks like Autel can do it. Or I am I wrong??

Looked some more at Iveco +2016, looks like you guys are right. That is one car that only abrites can do throw OBD, only 2500EURO. If you have AutelIM608 or IM508 with XP400PRO. You have to remove BCM located by pedals, very simple. Make remote key on bench.

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive just done another 2018 iveco daily with abrites , AKL , all by obd , pick decode cut keys and program in well under 30 minutes , the key programming part took well under 10 miutes .

[baddaren]

ive just done another 2018 iveco daily with abrites , AKL , all by obd , pick decode cut keys and program in well under 30 minutes , the key programming part took well under 10 miutes .

Hello Rapid, very good. Been looking in to that Iveco +2016. But is it worth buying abrites for Iveco, or is there something else?

[rapidlocksmiths]

abrites offers more than just iveco , newer mopar system models and has been flawless for me on FCA for a long time , it is expensive but for me well worth the investment as its paid back and some. the upside though is iveco and the later mopar system vehicles still command a decent rate as the price cutters cant do them and they dont charge enough to afford abrites , so until the cheap machines get it make hay while the sun shines.

as to what else does the later iveco , im not sure , maybe zedfull though id not pay iea or their distributor any money id rather retire .

[godfathertwo]

When do abrites promotion
I want to buy some modules plus protag etc .

[rapidlocksmiths]

next promotion is normally the christmas promotion i believe , though watch their news section as they also attend expos at this time of year and have promotions at these too

[rudoni]

Да попитам и тук, можLet me ask here too, someone may have missed my question at the beginning?е някой да е пропуснал въпроса ми в началото. След 2 години работа, FVDI 2018 v.4 спря да работи (чете) по CAN протокол. Може ли да се възстанови? Let me ask here too, someone may have missed my question at the beginning.

[rudoni]

Let me ask here too, someone may have missed my question at the beginning.

[rapidlocksmiths]

RUDONI

you have posted this question in a thread regarding original abrites , not a thread for the knock off FVDI , the fvdi has nothing at all to do with abrites , maybe posting in the knock off thread would get you answers

[godfathertre]

Recieved emai from avdi window seven no longer supported for updates what window to install window 10 32 bit or 64 bit
Any reccomandations from users as my laptop can run both thank you for trouble free using avdi .

[flyfvdi]

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[rapidlocksmiths]

Flyfvdi

its not really ethical to peddle your flyfvdi knock off on an abrites thread , after all you did steal their ip and work , so poor form to peddle this on an abrites thread , silly of me to expect you to be ethical though , trusting thieves is never a good idea , id never buy from you , i have too much respect for my customers and their cars.

[Johnner]

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Mate, give it over, please...

Thanks

J

[sanshao]

https://www.flyfvdi.com/collections/diagnostic-tools/products/original-multi-brands-vehicles-fvdi-2014-abrites-commander-for-volvo-benz-renault-cars-can-bus-ecu-diagnostic-tool?cfb=742272f0-d804-48ae-8fe7-c08a5b6f1144&scm=collection.v29.177.202.203.204&score=1.6166666666666665&ssp=-&spm=..collection_730996ce-06b8-4ee4-a20b-5580b0af2419.collection_1.4&spm_prev=..product_9b0c2fcf-0780-49fc-9a06-e5e34553e65e.header_1.1

[sanshao]

fvdi 2014 software mega link:
https://mega.nz/file/P6A1RCDT#rjMrZQztOB7GGzl6Oe-jHIb1Mxp6YtkQWwYJcZv_hIc

FT232 Driver CDM20814
https://mega.nz/file/LzBnyJxJ#dl5Nso20rwDBqfQ3QRWIHYkf2j5di3pc5rwTwMs3x JM
If your PC operation system is 64 bit , please run DPInstx64.exe
If your PC operation system is 32 bit , please run DPInstx86.exe

Visual-C-Runtimes-All-in-One-Jan-2021.zip
https://mega.nz/file/72hDRDpQ#_guZ1RuLDxrcbd3qYQphRJIeVG7Pt5SuPdF01Zr_Z g4


Note:
1. Login your PC with Administrator or Run as administrator
2. Before you download the fvdi 2014 software, please turn off anti-virus software and firewall first
3. Can not use VMWare

[autoTkey]

fvdi 2014 software mega link:
https://mega.nz/file/P6A1RCDT#rjMrZQztOB7GGzl6Oe-jHIb1Mxp6YtkQWwYJcZv_hIc

FT232 Driver CDM20814
https://mega.nz/file/LzBnyJxJ#dl5Nso20rwDBqfQ3QRWIHYkf2j5di3pc5rwTwMs3x JM
If your PC operation system is 64 bit , please run DPInstx64.exe
If your PC operation system is 32 bit , please run DPInstx86.exe

Visual-C-Runtimes-All-in-One-Jan-2021.zip
https://mega.nz/file/72hDRDpQ#_guZ1RuLDxrcbd3qYQphRJIeVG7Pt5SuPdF01Zr_Z g4


Note:
1. Login your PC with Administrator or Run as administrator
2. Before you download the fvdi 2014 software, please turn off anti-virus software and firewall first
3. Can not use VMWare

Zombie ... ?

[vageric]

Sanshao, this is a original avdi thread!
not a fvdi thread (what is a copy of the original avdi).
so stop spamming it with fvdi stuf!

[JIMMYQ]

Hi guys does anyone know if the ford FR00F includes FR008?

does FR010 do key programming?

I see the full ford license FR00F is €1k which mentions it includes FR010 and FR011no mention of FR008

So wheres FR008 gone ��

I paid 2k for FR008 few years back but dont have FR010 OR FR011

Am i right in thinking FR00F includes all of them now for €1k

As this is ridiculous and very confusing

[vageric]

Hi guys does anyone know if the ford FR00F includes FR008?

does FR010 do key programming?

I see the full ford license FR00F is €1k which mentions it includes FR010 and FR011no mention of FR008

So wheres FR008 gone ��

I paid 2k for FR008 few years back but dont have FR010 OR FR011

Am i right in thinking FR00F includes all of them now for €1k

As this is ridiculous and very confusing

yes FR00F is full, thus include FR008!

[JIMMYQ]

Good on the russian guy abrites are nothing but daylight robbery... they deserve it..

Selling licenses then later giving them free or half the price
Then charging ams fees..

Its ridiculous today you spend 10k on licenses later same licenses they offer free or half the price with newer licenses too... those who have paid twice as much before still have to pay more!!

You invest 10k in the device only to find outs its not worth 3k now as the company has decided to give the same packages for free or half the money...

Not a secure investment save your money guys