Fiat punto 1.2 16v ECU swap.

[obdmaster]

Ok heres my problem which i hope one of you guys can help with. Had 2000 fiat punto 1.2 16V in . Problem only runs on 2 cylinders diagnosed ECU. Replaced coil pack new unit. Ecu was ?580+vat (more than cars worth) so found on EBAY a full ecu set (keys, BCU and ECU). Car now runs beautifully but the speedo is under reading alot. plugged into dash , driven speedometer diagnostically working fine. Driven car down road and both the ecu and instrument pannel on live data correspond to what speedometer says.Looked on drawing and the VSS goes to BCU. And All i can think of is ecu set must of come out of automatic, customers car is manual. And the BCU needs reconfiguring. On my tecnotest under chassis network there is "CAN SETUP". I pressume i must use that has anyone any other ideas? Or know how to use this "can setup". Car is back in morning for me to try and sort, just thought id ask you guys for your opinion. thanks in advance.:sheep:

If i have no joy with "CAN SETUP" was thinking of fitting old BCU and getting record playback module for immobiliser does anyone do them for this vehicle?

[obdmaster]

just thought when you get new ecu on 1.2 8v the engine management flashes till you rev over 5000 3 times. I know im able to get management light flashing again by reseting adaptives, so wonder if i reset adaptives then fit old bcu, and do reving procedure. Might work what you think?

[Meat-Head]

Sorry i'm still not firing on all cyclinders myself, still got 'Meat-Flu'

You seem to be getting the shit jobs on here this week.

Just try that earth point like on the last one, but DISCONNECT battrery first.

Just ring the fiat stealer, who if like Meat-Headshire are a waste of space and query (nice word) if an automatic sender is differant to an manual sender, could you get the 'automatic' sender off ebay geezer?

Also as it's a fiat the driver properbly won't notice if you remove the speedo needle and place it up at bit

[obdmaster]

Forgot to say car is a fiat punto sporting, sporting have 6 speed gearbox. phoned ebay man he said donor vehicle ecu was off was normal 5 speed. Got speedo sensor off 5 speed to try but i reckon, never going to work will have to get units off a sporting model. Will keep you posted on outcome.

[Meat-Head]

Forgot to say car is a fiat punto sporting, sporting have 6 speed gearbox. phoned ebay man he said donor vehicle ecu was off was normal 5 speed. Got speedo sensor off 5 speed to try but i reckon, never going to work will have to get units off a sporting model. Will keep you posted on outcome.

Sorry to be unhelpful, do you have a gearbox geezer in your town you can call to see what the gear ratios are.

Useless info in 30 mph zones the lamp posts are a set distance (THINK 200 yards) go you can 'test' if acurate.

or go down the bypass in another car, work out say from macdonalds exit to burger king is 2 miles say, then go in the punto at '60mph' and it should take you 2 mins!

[obdmaster]

meathead DONT NEED to test speed reading its that far out my friend thanks anyway though for a bit of input

[delambo]

I can repair your old ECU.

[rsibiza]

I can repair your old ECU.


Me too.

Dont open the ECU by screws. You will kill the ECU.

Drill with a 8mm Drill the 4 stouds you see in bottom of ECU,after open it slowly,will be glued,so pay attention and be carefull.

After you have only to solder a bridge in the ECU as shown in the picture below

[erikfrog]

Me too.

Dont open the ECU by screws. You will kill the ECU.

Drill with a 8mm Drill the 4 stouds you see in bottom of ECU,after open it slowly,will be glued,so pay attention and be carefull.

After you have only to solder a bridge in the ECU as shown in the picture below

Should I bridge two points as show the red line? Lato A means Ignition coil A?

[Jose19]

Should I bridge two points as show the red line? Lato A means Ignition coil A?
Hi

Take a loock on ;

Jose

[ivica]

Hi

Take a loock on ;

Jose
What is this for,on what interface does it work?

[Jose19]

What is this for,on what interface does it work?
Hi

As i know for now ir for make virgin, works with KWP2000,but i?m watting for more details.

Jose

[ivica]

[QUOTE=Jose19;356830]Hi

As i know for now ir for make virgin, works with KWP2000,but i?m watting for more details.


O.k m8 if you find something interesting about it ,share please!

[Jose19]

[QUOTE=Jose19;356830]Hi

As i know for now ir for make virgin, works with KWP2000,but i?m watting for more details.


O.k m8 if you find something interesting about it ,share please!
Yes, of corse ... as sun as possible.

Jose

[obdmaster]

Some great posts here, and many thanks. But my problem is its 1.2 16v thus not running magnetti marrelli but bosch management. But thanks for info on 1.2 8v magnetti marrelli. Software looks good depending on interface needed. Any more info at that much appreciated as im sure will see the common magnetti setup again very soon. Thanks again guys

[rsibiza]

Should I bridge two points as show the red line? Lato A means Ignition coil A?


Yes you have to make the bridge as shown by red line.

If Lato A is ign coil 1 and B ign coil 2: this info i dont have....

Me mate the 2 bridges and was just great....

[chiper]

What is this for,on what interface does it work?

looks like kwp2000

[obdmaster]

Ok heres outcome, got ecu set off punto sporting and worked . Punto sporting has no vss, speedo is off abs thats why speedo was a mile out. So if anyone requires a punto 1.2 16v ecu set off 5 speed manual pm me thanks for everyones help and i like the 1.2 8 valve ecu repair thets been posted. In this game your always learning everyday.

I also have a sporting dash what i got with this ecu set, and ive been told they work on the 8 valve also. pm me if anyone requires that.

[gamernasko]

Hi
is this ecu motronik 7.3

[gamernasko]

I have same problem with custumer Punto
take "new" ecu without key and body computer
just change two cheksum with Galetto flasher
works 100%

[rsibiza]

Ok heres outcome, got ecu set off punto sporting and worked . Punto sporting has no vss, speedo is off abs thats why speedo was a mile out. So if anyone requires a punto 1.2 16v ecu set off 5 speed manual pm me thanks for everyones help and i like the 1.2 8 valve ecu repair thets been posted. In this game your always learning everyday.

I also have a sporting dash what i got with this ecu set, and ive been told they work on the 8 valve also. pm me if anyone requires that.


Here my friend,comes another pic how to open the IAW59F.

Do not drill too deep,like me the middle stud,this ecu is broke by me:vollkommenauf:

Normally drill the 4 studs for aprox. 3mm,it s enough.

After you drilled the studs(red in foto) carefully cut around between ecu and cover with an scalpell and you will open quickly the IAW59F.

Whatever you do...never unlock screws,you will kill ecu.

Regards and good luck

[solidol]

Please specify ECU 1.2 8V and 1.2 16v will be the same or different?
Thank you.

[Nike]

Please specify ECU 1.2 8V and 1.2 16v will be the same or different?
Thank you.
Yes, the difference is big

[rsibiza]

Hi

Take a loock on ;

Jose

Hi to all.

I think this soft is for IAW59F dcoder from Celeste in Italy (sicylia) ...elettronicaceleste com

and i think i wont work with an KKL interface

I worked 2-3 times with this tool,isnt so bad but expensive if you think you can just make the iaw59f decode...usefull for repair and tuning.

so you can make work the ecu on fiat,lancia,alfa and Ducati:devil:

[drivergabriel]

very good thread!!! congretulations!!! look what i discover on a mm iaw 5nf.t1. desolder the pins and turn around the circuit. you see in the picture what is hapend. this ecu doesn't see the throtle body! ,,open circuit''. i also atach an tested immo off dump (with pass) for this ecu!

[Meat-Head]

very good thread!!! congretulations!!! look what i discover on a mm iaw 5nf.t1. desolder the pins and turn around the circuit. you see in the picture what is hapend. this ecu doesn't see the throtle body! ,,open circuit''. i also atach an tested immo off dump (with pass) for this ecu!

Other members of Digital-Kaos didn't get where they are today, by posting immo off dumps with passwords, would you be kind enough to release the password, thanks.

[drivergabriel]

hey.... merry christmas to you and to your family! i think it's normaly to put this kind of info with pass... beacouse anyone ho create an acount, download the file, then stole a fiat! the intrestested members can ask me for password and i will give them!!!
be carefulwith immo file. let's help us each other! i agree that! but: what is safe is safe!

remember!!!!!!!!!! from now on any time when i will put a file with pass, i will give the pass to an ADMIN, not in pm for ,,new members''! the ADMIN decide ho will have the pass!


i will not ever put the pass for help file!!!!


viva Digital Kaos - Cable & Satellite Forum (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lokher]

Hi all

I test software withe KWP2000 + Interfaface, On IAW 59F M2 from 2001 PUNTO 1.2 8V
First i programmed it withe Mprog then i reinstal the driver and it will be OK.

But when i plug the ECU ( On table withe wire) i have message :

No Info frome ECU.

tomorow i try to solve problem

PS:

Withe KWP2000 Soft i have no broblem all informations are correct and i can read ECU, problem is juste withe 59F decoder soft

[Nike]

What is the number of HW? HW version below 100 can not flash with Galleto. (I think ...)

[rsibiza]

Hi all

I test software withe KWP2000 + Interfaface, On IAW 59F M2 from 2001 PUNTO 1.2 8V
First i programmed it withe Mprog then i reinstal the driver and it will be OK.

But when i plug the ECU ( On table withe wire) i have message :

No Info frome ECU.

tomorow i try to solve problem

PS:

Withe KWP2000 Soft i have no broblem all informations are correct and i can read ECU, problem is juste withe 59F decoder soft

Hi.

I think it s normal you have no connectivity with iaw59f decoder...it s not for use with KWP,it cames from Celeste in Italy,like i poste some posts before....

Regards

[obdmaster]

Here my friend,comes another pic how to open the IAW59F.

Do not drill too deep,like me the middle stud,this ecu is broke by me:vollkommenauf:

Normally drill the 4 studs for aprox. 3mm,it s enough.

After you drilled the studs(red in foto) carefully cut around between ecu and cover with an scalpell and you will open quickly the IAW59F.

Whatever you do...never unlock screws,you will kill ecu.

Regards and good luck




you dont drill the middle one its a locator, not a rivet. Im starting to think that you havent ever fixed one of these units m8.

:giveup: :giveup:

[Jose19]

you dont drill the middle one its a locator, not a rivet. Im starting to think that you havent ever fixed one of these units m8.

:giveup: :giveup:
Hi

Many guys talk aboat, but never see one working!!!!
Or who have solution for that, don?t tell to anyone...LOL

Jose

[cipibujor]

I have the same problem with engine ECU (running in 2c), I hope this info will help me.

[Jose19]

I have the same problem with engine ECU (running in 2c), I hope this info will help me.
Yes, we can help on, but start reading this ;
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f2/you-please-read-before-posting-1129/

That must be your first post.

Jose

[Meat-Head]

slightly off topic

Read in the local paper (The Daily Meat) that a 03 punto was stolen last week. (in side street) No other details, makes you wounder how they did it!

[Jose19]

slightly off topic

Read in the local paper (The Daily Meat) that a 03 punto was stolen last week. (in side street) No other details, makes you wounder how they did it!
Yes friend,i wounder....
If is like this Thread solution....maybe pushing,lol :thrasher:

Jose

[youssef70]

slightly off topic

Read in the local paper (The Daily Meat) that a 03 punto was stolen last week. (in side street) No other details, makes you wounder how they did it!

oh my god
may be they have pass for gabriel files !!!:listen:

[Meat-Head]

oh my god
may be they have pass for gabriel files !!!:listen:

unless it was gabrieal who removed the bsi, read the 93c46, then used gambit or zbull to make new key!

[Visconti]

Me too.

Dont open the ECU by screws. You will kill the ECU.

Drill with a 8mm Drill the 4 stouds you see in bottom of ECU,after open it slowly,will be glued,so pay attention and be carefull.

After you have only to solder a bridge in the ECU as shown in the picture below

Please, can you tell me why will unscrewing the screws kill the ecu? Maybe it will break something inside? Why do you have to drill the ecu?

[Jose19]

Please, can you tell me why will unscrewing the screws kill the ecu? Maybe it will break something inside? Why do you have to drill the ecu?
Guess....
Have you read all post aboat!?

[kevfield]

Nice web site nikinik7503 (http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/members/137052-nikinik7503/) i see you sell cracked soft, even tho most is available for free on this forum this forum is good for your business :))) thanks for the info on the fiat ecu

[zalmogedicos]

hi, I read with a lot of interest the thread, but I never saw a clear response to How to repair these IAW 59F ECUs!
I have a dead ECU from my 1.2 8v '02 punto and I tried to repair it. The problem is I opened the case, I put it under the microscope but I see nothing damaged. any Ideas?

[ROBO231]

hi there could you please send me the repair link for the punto ecu

[ROBO231]

THANKS JAMES THE ECU NO IS IAW 59F.M2

[boza]

obdmaster problem is body computer
the old one information about speed gets from ABS
new one, that you buy, get information from vehicle speed sensor placed on transmision
to solve the problem you need to put back old body computer and virginase engine ecu

[tomia123]

I have only two studs? (IAW 59F.M3) I removed the cooling plate and wondering now how to open case. Drill these two studs what I see back or am I looking wrong side?

My car has also burned water sensor wires, so I had to replace wireset. Is this also caused by coils? Last punto I had the coils blowed wires AND the powersteering electricmotor, but Ecu was ok... damn these coils!

EDIT: I have the 8v engine so this is diferent, any instructions to that?. But powersteering problem caused by coils was 16v elx...

[nice1111]

seams to be alot of hit and miss going here and must admit i dont think i would chance killing the pcm by following methods so far as nothing seams definative here, when we get these puntos in the workshop we send off the ecu for repair, it takes arounds 3 days to arrive back fixed and guarranteed for ?200 , then we fit 2 new coils as it is known that the coils cause the failure in the first place (dont assume everthing is good just by fixing pmc guys unless you want the problem to re occur later on, change the coils everytime)

[meanmick]

I have the same problem with engine ECU, I hope this info will help me.

[linu]

Hi.

I think it s normal you have no connectivity with iaw59f decoder...it s not for use with KWP,it cames from Celeste in Italy,like i poste some posts before....

Regards
you're wrong my friend! iaw59f decoder only works with standard KWP2000!
does not work with celeste in italy,I use this software for 4 years and works well with KWP2000 (not work with KWP2000 +)

[dun205]

[QUOTE=Jose19;356722]Hi

hi i have probs with ecu no spark on coil pack how do i repair it

[dun205]

how do you repair coil pack ecu on 1.2 8v punto

[yovany164]

Forgot to say car is a fiat punto sporting, sporting have 6 speed gearbox. phoned ebay man he said donor vehicle ecu was off was normal 5 speed. Got speedo sensor off 5 speed to try but i reckon, never going to work will have to get units off a sporting model. Will keep you posted on outcome

[ta2lt]

Hi I need Iaw59f ignition driver mosfets replacement name two mosfets corrupted thanks

[GusX]

Hi,
if I open the ECU by drilling studs then there is opposite question, how to close it? What do I use to replace drilled studs?

Thx Gus

[horvec]

DID ENYBODY NOW HOW MUCH COST DECODER 45 M FROM CELESTE?

[dimss89]

you're wrong my friend! iaw59f decoder only works with standard KWP2000!
does not work with celeste in italy,I use this software for 4 years and works well with KWP2000 (not work with KWP2000 +)

can you post a link where to buy old version kwp 2000?

[dimss89]

you're wrong my friend! iaw59f decoder only works with standard KWP2000!
does not work with celeste in italy,I use this software for 4 years and works well with KWP2000 (not work with KWP2000 +)

can you post a link where to buy old version kwp 2000?

[cezargeorge87]

Ok heres my problem which i hope one of you guys can help with. Had 2000 fiat punto 1.2 16V in . Problem only runs on 2 cylinders diagnosed ECU. Replaced coil pack new unit. Ecu was ?580+vat (more than cars worth) so found on EBAY a full ecu set (keys, BCU and ECU). Car now runs beautifully but the speedo is under reading alot. plugged into dash , driven speedometer diagnostically working fine. Driven car down road and both the ecu and instrument pannel on live data correspond to what speedometer says.Looked on drawing and the VSS goes to BCU. And All i can think of is ecu set must of come out of automatic, customers car is manual. And the BCU needs reconfiguring. On my tecnotest under chassis network there is "CAN SETUP". I pressume i must use that has anyone any other ideas? Or know how to use this "can setup". Car is back in morning for me to try and sort, just thought id ask you guys for your opinion. thanks in advance.:sheep:

If i have no joy with "CAN SETUP" was thinking of fitting old BCU and getting record playback module for immobiliser does anyone do them for this vehicle?

Hy
I had the same problem whit an automatic fiat punto 1.2 16v, i changed the ecu and i canceld the immo and with litle adjustments on the dashbord now its ok butt i searached an other cars gear box the speed sensor and i replaceit and now its perfect you must lok because are diferent tips of speed sensor an fiat punto the same engine...

[cheester]

Lads,
There is a way how to fix IAW 59f.m3 hw003??
It's magneti Marelli, I opened but manual with make bridges on first posts doesn't match! My one looks bit different inside.
Someone know how to fix this version?

http://images6.fotosik.pl/595/069e4e665a6bdd28m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=069e4e665a6bdd28)

http://images6.fotosik.pl/595/cb87f6a630c2dbb0m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=cb87f6a630c2dbb0)

Car is punto 1.2 8v 2001

[yellowstilo]

DID ENYBODY NOW HOW MUCH COST DECODER 45 M FROM CELESTE?


Decoder 45M is no longer available, it is replaced by a new tool IDEC 59 , costs 950 euro plus shipping costs.

[rossoelab]

Lads,
There is a way how to fix IAW 59f.m3 hw003??
It's magneti Marelli, I opened but manual with make bridges on first posts doesn't match! My one looks bit different inside.
Someone know how to fix this version?

http://images6.fotosik.pl/595/069e4e665a6bdd28m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=069e4e665a6bdd28)

http://images6.fotosik.pl/595/cb87f6a630c2dbb0m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=cb87f6a630c2dbb0)

does not open in this way
See the instructions carefully
better to replace than repair these ECU, this is my opinion

Car is punto 1.2 8v 2001

does not open in this way
See the instructions carefully
better to replace than repair these ECU, this is my opinion

[cheester]

Rossoelab this is just foto example with the same HW003 number, I opened my one in proper way (cut around) but everything looks ok inside and in this model (HW003) is fitted Motorola proc and this is the problem.
Im looking now to buy spare one for swap. I heard hw303 can be used instead of hw003 and will be fine. Just do few high revs for adaptation and working well.
Is that truth?

Rossoelab did u take immo off when you swap this ECU?

[Puntic]

Hello, I have the same problem with my Punto 1.2 8V. Where can I get a repair manual for ECU computer?

[yellowstilo]

Hello, I have the same problem with my Punto 1.2 8V. Where can I get a repair manual for ECU computer?

Save yourself a lot of trouble, just replace it with a virginised used one....

[sunxemx]

Today you can get a cheap virginised ECU which is plug and play from ebay,not worth repairing or buying software.