Opel NCDC 2015 Siemens "Display Safe"

[username0815]

Hi,

i got NCDC 2015
GM: 313203739
No.: 13138249
Type: NCDC2015
UR7

Customer said, it shows Display Safe
Car Security Code should be: 8734

I read out Dump 24LC16B, can someone help me?
Customer doesnt know if the Display or the NCDC is original from the car.

[Juliano31]

Read PM...

[shooting]

Hi,

i got NCDC 2015
GM: 313203739
No.: 13138249
Type: NCDC2015
UR7

Customer said, it shows Display Safe
Car Security Code should be: 8734

I read out Dump 24LC16B, can someone help me?
Customer doesnt know if the Display or the NCDC is original from the car.

No need for PM... lol … Read Display dump for pairing code and pair using Tech2

wbr

[username0815]

No need for PM... lol … Read Display dump for pairing code and pair using Tech2

wbr

Should the car owner own this code? I have only the NCDC2015 on Bench.
On some Codecard or similar ?

[bank]

Should the car owner own this code? I have only the NCDC2015 on Bench.
On some Codecard or similar ?
If 2015 is from another car and not divorced, you’ll need a code from radio to reset it before pairing

[username0815]

If 2015 is from another car and not divorced, you’ll need a code from radio to reset it before pairing

Can you get Code from Dump? (24LC16B)

[shooting]

Can you get Code from Dump? (24LC16B)

You only need the Display PIN for this model...

wbr

[username0815]

You only need the Display PIN for this model...

wbr

OK thx, customer will send me the Display.

[bank]

Nobody was trying to compare 2 dumps of ncdc?
Which way it stores info about activated anti-theft protection?

[shooting]

Nobody was trying to compare 2 dumps of ncdc?
Which way it stores info about activated anti-theft protection?

NCDC encryption is simple but not necessary, just display and tech2

wbr

[bank]

NCDC encryption is simple but not necessary, just display and tech2

wbr
Yes, but how to pair NCDC with CID if NCDC from another car, without pin and id I.D. OK state?
I have GM MDI with Tech2Win. Or SPS wia GD2S is needed?

[shooting]

Yes, but how to pair NCDC with CID if NCDC from another car, without pin and id I.D. OK state?
I have GM MDI with Tech2Win. Or SPS wia GD2S is needed?
Simple, NCDC can unregister unlike CD30 which needs help... a child can do this...

wbr

[bank]

NCDC can unregister unlike CD30 which needs help...

Nobody can know everything, I think.
I don't have OVC 2002-2004 (or another car of these MY) to investigate all features.
I'm asking about it because I had some cases when NCDC became "unmarried" after battery was disconnected for a long time.
NCDC can be divorced by power outage? o_O

Shit sometimes happens. Today's my case was resolved by changing eeprom 24c16 to another one (also it was no sound and programming of code index and configuration was endes with fault) and then activating anti-theft protection using code from display.

So, if you can help to divorce "foreign" NCDC simply, share the solution, e.g. in PM.
Thnx

[plasma533]

Simple, NCDC can unregister unlike CD30 which needs help... a child can do this...

wbr

Interested in this one, but no NCDC's to play with :(

[kadett90]

Similar problem here.
NCDC2015 Opel Omega and "display safe"
Is it possible to chance radio to delivery state and can anyone have dumb for omega cid which is on delivery state too.
Tech2 found.

[bank]

The only one solution I was found on this forum is “use tech2 or original opcom to pair ncdc with code from display”. But nothing about how to reset ncdc without code

[shooting]

The only one solution I was found on this forum is “use tech2 or original opcom to pair ncdc with code from display”. But nothing about how to reset ncdc without code

Because it is not nessecery, virgin or unregister is not for public

wbr

[kadett90]

You can not pair the display if is not in delivery state.
That's why I need a dumb for the display or can anyone edit it?

[shooting]

You can not pair the display if is not in delivery state.

Yes you can, you just need a Tech2 or Full Opcom… I do this daily

wbr

[kadett90]

What code you use?

[shooting]

What code you use?
PIN from Display... simple

wbr

[bank]

You can not pair the display if is not in delivery state.

Actually, you can pair any unmarried display with radio using code from display.
But radio should be in delivery state.

Post dump from display (93c56) and you'll receive code.

Found one solution to reset - press and hold CLEAR for 6+ secconds, but can' check if it works

[shooting]

Actually, you can pair any unmarried display with radio using code from display.
But radio should be in delivery state.

Post dump from display (93c56) and you'll receive code.

Found one solution to reset - press and hold CLEAR for 6+ secconds, but can' check if it works


You are confusing this with CD30/CD40 .. radio can be paired in any state using Full tools.

wbr

[bank]

You are confusing this with CD30/CD40 .. radio can be paired in any state using Full tools.

I have no reason not to beleive you but it looks strange - possibility to pair ncdc in state "I.D OK" with another unmarried display.

[kadett90]

PIN from Display... simple

wbr

I have tried many times….no luck.

[bank]

I have tried many times….no luck.
Check for DTC's. It can be incorrect settings in canbus (CDC, ECC, Navi etc)

[shooting]

I have tried many times….no luck.

What tool are you using?

wbr

[kadett90]

What tool are you using?

wbr
Original Tech2

[shooting]

Original Tech2

What software version on your card?

wbr

[kadett90]

What software version on your card?

wbr

168.001
and
184.000

[shooting]

168.001
and
184.000

What size card are you using?

wbr

[kadett90]

I use 32 Mb cards.

[shooting]

I use 32 Mb cards.

32meg is Chinese clone cards, should be at least 128meg by now, new are 256meg
maybe you are using a clone? or it hasn't been upgraded for MANY years..
I think the problem is your tool...

wbr

[kadett90]

Here is the dump from display.
I think the code is 4156.

[bank]

You are right

[KierAn20]

Here is the dump from display.
I think the code is 4156.

NCDC1500 needs to be reset before Tech2 will let you do anything with that display code mate. Pairing data and previous car's code are in 29f400 flash device on main pcb underside.

[shooting]

NCDC1500 needs to be reset before Tech2 will let you do anything with that display code mate. Pairing data and previous car's code are in 29f400 flash device on main pcb underside.

That's true for clone Tech2's but new updates on the full tool work without having to pull the chip now :D

wbr

[kadett90]

Is there any way to edit the bin file?

[kadett90]

What I have to write to 0DC-0E0 if I want to make the display to delivery state?

[username0815]

I have now the Display from customer, can someone give me the code from dump?
Can someone give me the pinout from Display, so that i can connect it to the Ncdc2015?

[shooting]

I have now the Display from customer, can someone give me the code from dump?
Can someone give me the pinout from Display, so that i can connect it to the Ncdc2015?

PIN is 7064

wbr

[username0815]

PIN is 7064

wbr

Thanks, so customer only have to use Tech2 or OPCom to pair NCDC2015 with Display unit and PIN 7064?

[shooting]

Thanks, so customer only have to use Tech2 or OPCom to pair NCDC2015 with Display unit and PIN 7064?

Correct, unless it's a cheap china clone.. then may not

wbr

[kadett90]

I give up.
There is no way to pair the radio and display if the radio is not in delivery state.

[bank]

I give up.
There is no way to pair the radio and display if the radio is not in delivery state.

Only if dis in delivery

[kadett90]

If you mean display tech says that its on delivery but who knows.

[kadett90]

Lets try once more.
What I must write between 0DC..0E0 if I want that pin code is 0217.

[shooting]

Lets try once more.
What I must write between 0DC..0E0 if I want that pin code is 0217.

Use this for 0217

"CB 02 02 CB 17 17 02 74 02 74"

wbr

[kadett90]

Got this.
Security Code:172

[KierAn20]

Got this.
Security Code:172

Did you get conformation on Tech2 that the display was in delivery state? If so, put it back to delivery state and use the CD code to pair on Tech2.

It is not possible to manufacture the code yourself in the display eeprom and try to use that code for pairing / unpairing because the unique pairing data in the radio flash wont match up.

[kadett90]

Tech2 says that display is in delivery state but radio is not.
Tech won't pair these.

[KierAn20]

Tech2 says that display is in delivery state but radio is not.
Tech won't pair these.

So when the display is in delivery mode, you've tried to pair them using the cd code and it refuses to accept it? Or you are using some other code?

[kadett90]

Have tried radio code and new ones.

[bank]

Tech2 says that display is in delivery state but radio is not.
Tech won't pair these.
Because you need disable protection in radio first. Using code from radio

[KierAn20]

Have tried radio code and new ones.

So Tech2 is showing wait timer active if you've tried more than 2 codes (confirming code was wrong)? And you've checked for sure that it is this code 0217 in the cd? If this is the code that is stored, I cant understand why Tech2 won't accept it :hmmmm:

[bank]

I cant understand why Tech2 won't accept it :hmmmm:
Because EHU is already activated.

[KierAn20]

Because EHU is already activated.

Yes but as long as he is using a proper Tech2 he can deactivate it using the code inside the radio - as long as either the display is in delivery mode (already reset) or the radio and display are already paired together (not in this case). I'm curious as to where the 0217 code has come from.

[bank]

he can deactivate it using the code inside the radio - as long as either the display is in delivery mode (already reset)

In case of correct radio code and inactive security wait time

[KierAn20]

In case of correct radio code and inactive security wait time

Yes exactly - so is this radio code correct / confirmed - or just on a piece of paper somewhere? I couldn't find a dump in this thread, only from display. Or maybe I missed it.

[bank]

can anyone have dumb for omega cid which is on delivery state too.
Post dump from display

[fricker]

Hi, got vectra 2002 with installed ncdc2015 radio from other car , and now its on display safe..
have china opcom works fine for me, is there some way to pair this two with opcom?

[bank]

Hi all!

Please help with code for NCDC2015 or make it virgin (or help with pair of virgin dumps).
Don't have display for this radio

[KierAn20]

Hi all!

Please help with code for NCDC2015 or make it virgin (or help with pair of virgin dumps).
Don't have display for this radio

This is very hard algo and difficult to keep resoldering flashes for experiments. I burned 2 similar units over the years - but they were scrap anyway.

Get code first from c64 - if it was logged (sometimes it is, sometimes not) then use Tech2 to make experiments and reread flash after each time to learn location in flash. It is tough work though..... :ambivalence:

[bank]

All I found iscode stores in one of 29x160, another one contains pairing data

[KierAn20]

All I found iscode stores in one of 29x160, another one contains pairing data

Yes this is true, just like NCDR1100 etc. But is there not a copy of the code logged in your 24c64 - or is the code location empty in your one?

[bank]

Yes this is true, just like NCDR1100 etc. But is there not a copy of the code logged in your 24c64 - or is the code location empty in your one?
I read 24c64
Is the code 4435?
Does cdc have some stored pairing data with radio?

[KierAn20]

I read 24c64
Is the code 4435?
Does cdc have some stored pairing data with radio?

Yes it contains pairing data same as display.

Code looks like 9369 or possibly 6993 - these use same method as CDC3 "TB" version seperate slave 4 disc cd changers

[shooting]

Yes it contains pairing data same as display.

Code looks like 9369 or possibly 6993 - these use same method as CDC3 "TB" version seperate slave 4 disc cd changers

Code is 4435 ;)

wbr

[bank]

Yes it contains pairing data same as display.

Code looks like 9369 or possibly 6993 - these use same method as CDC3 "TB" version seperate slave 4 disc cd changers
I have new case - virgin radio NCDC2013, virgin display and CDC from another NCDC2013 (original is damaged).
Diagnostics data says they all in delivery state.
I tried to pair using code 4435, then I received error "Activation wasn't successfull" and "Can Bus protected in another car".
Activation became successful only after I download dump from original CDC.

So, CDC has not only code but also some pairing data to work with radio, as I understand

[KierAn20]

I have new case - virgin radio NCDC2013, virgin display and CDC from another NCDC2013 (original is damaged).
Diagnostics data says they all in delivery state.
I tried to pair using code 4435, then I received error "Activation wasn't successfull" and "Can Bus protected in another car".
Activation became successful only after I download dump from original CDC.

So, CDC has not only code but also some pairing data to work with radio, as I understand

Yes the CDC does contain pairing data mate.

This is "TB" version of cd changer, so code is directly in front of the pairing data - not in usual place of "TA" version. You notice that there is no FF FF after usual code address and values A9 3A (4435)?

[bank]

Yes the CDC does contain pairing data mate.

This is "TB" version of cd changer, so code is directly in front of the pairing data - not in usual place of "TA" version. You notice that there is no FF FF after usual code address and values A9 3A (4435)?

Hmmm, interesting info! I’ll check second dump

[KierAn20]

Hmmm, interesting info! I’ll check second dump

Here is another example of a TB version cd changer:

https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/609015-CDC3-Decoding-Opel?highlight=cdc3

[bank]

Yes the CDC does contain pairing data mate.

You are right!
I checked another one dump, code stores in 77-76, xored by 7e 9c, then swapped
:applause:

[ramzyharb]

Did you find solution ncdc 2015 uknown code to pair with cid delivery state please tell me