2002 Audi A4 key programming

[Jimmy07]

Hello All

Back to my nemesis 😬

Managed to lishi pick lock, decode and cut key, worked perfect then got Keydiy and generated key fob.

So far so good hooked up Supervag and programmed remote all good.

Here’s where it went funky.

Supervag wouldn’t do key learning on this car or read pin. Plugged in MVP it wouldn’t pull pin. Used vag reader got 4 digit pin ok. Back in with Supervag in menu went to key programming it asked how many keys to programme put in 2. Got them programmed but here it is !

One key immo light staying on solid other key immo light flashing. Car is starting and fobs working also.

This is twice this has happened now. Done everything to the letter and this again. MVP wouldn’t extinguish lights either.

Is there a fix for this?

Will battery disconnect sort this, if so do both the original and new key stay programmed or does it revert back to one key settings prior to me trying to programme spare ?

Is there a lockout after pin reading, if so why was I able to programme 2 keys ?

Ready to burn the van with everything in it 🤬

Any help would be greatly appreciated

[dyzio]

use vcds to program keys i got sameproblem with a4 and vcds solve problem

[Jimmy07]

Thanks Dyzio

Don’t have VCDS only Supervag and MVP. Pain in the ass twice this has happened. Will a reset do it or will the cheque book get another pasting ?

[qeso705]

Buy cloned vcds or borrow for a moment from someone.

[szengen]

rb8, transponder must be pre-prepared 7bytes, good sets (super vag + advanced evo), (dragon x can + key maker)

[Jimmy07]

Your right chip is pre-coded I missed this thinking car was 2002 wouldn’t need pre coding. Strange it started car though ?

[szengen]

read about the audi a4, seat exeo, rb8,rb4 counters

[Jimmy07]

Supervag and MVP both claim keys can be programmed through OBD. I’ll pre code chip and try again

[p1et]

Jimmy I also had such kind of problem after programming with AD100 (MVP), then took my SBB and everything was fine.




rb8, transponder must be pre-prepared 7bytes, good sets (super vag + advanced evo), (dragon x can + key maker)


read about the audi a4, seat exeo, rb8,rb4 counters

Please don't talk bullshit. Audi A4 2002 year is Audi A4 B6 and it will accept even standard ID48 transponder.

[comizelu]

Had a 2004 A4 with rb8
Supervag failed,vcds failed,iscancar failed...
Vvdi2 done in 2 sec's...
Also for beetle 2000-2004,Audi TT 2000-2004 buy vagtacho 5.0 the clone.its usefull,does these in 1min

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[szengen]

Jimmy I also had such kind of problem after programming with AD100 (MVP), then took my SBB and everything was fine.







Please don't talk bullshit. Audi A4 2002 year is Audi A4 B6 and it will accept even standard ID48 transponder.
I do not talk nonsense, in the dragon I have 2 items rb4 to 2002 alone pin, and after 2002 reading pin and reading block seciurity

[comizelu]

Btw supervag is poor in Audi.i don't touch any Audi can for programming or pin.for Kline only pin but many other tools can get it..it failed on programming a key on a VW Bora year 2000 ..sometimes it fails,many times is a jewel.
My advice "don't use supervag for Audi"..

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[Jimmy07]

I checked transponders I think may have used handy baby compatible ID 48 transponder. Will swap transponder to ID 48 and pre code to ID48-A2 as it says on IQ ?

Only have SBB clone vagtacho clone but always wary using clones on VAG 😬

Does this system require 2 keys to be programmed?

[qeso705]

I checked transponders I think may have used handy baby compatible ID 48 transponder. Will swap transponder to ID 48 and pre code to ID48-A2 as it says on IQ ?

Only have SBB clone vagtacho clone but always wary using clones on VAG 😬

Does this system require 2 keys to be programmed?

No, 1 is enough in vag cars always. Do it with SBB when you have PIN. Audi A4 B6 don't need precoding and RB8 when need then it is 12byte or 7byte but custom(not like on can cars).

[keygargoil]

is the chip starting the car ok and what cluster is in it rb4 or older magnetti iv had a few odd ones where the keys needed erasing first then adding again that sorts the immo light out.
also if car runs with chip and light flashing if the battery dies it will stop working

[p1et]

I checked transponders I think may have used handy baby compatible ID 48 transponder. Will swap transponder to ID 48 and pre code to ID48-A2 as it says on IQ ?

Only have SBB clone vagtacho clone but always wary using clones on VAG 

Does this system require 2 keys to be programmed?

Yeah I know perfectly how you feel because I was in same situation. When I began my AD100 Pro one time couldnt even communicate with identical car immo programming (although read pin was OK). So then I decided to plug SBB and try... And this Audi was the first car I tried my SBB on... I was very uncertain but and it worked like a treat. For VAG cars with standard ID48 chip don't worry to different tools, even clones - especially if you have PIN and only need do programming, it's safe.

[Jimmy07]

Thanks everyone for input. Lots of different views on how to do this. P1et crazy when you think this car is over 16 years old and Supervag & MVP wouldn’t pull code. A £50 vag reader done it.

So what’s the procedure?

I’ll change chip in spare key and use SBB clone to programme both keys ?

Does this erase keys first ?

Cheek clencher this one 😬

[p1et]

Yes just put new ID48 (don't need make it CAN transponder) plug SBB and program both keys with PIN code from your reader. Must be good. Please report.

PS. And for lack of comms with my AD100pro with that Audi A4 back then was the software bug because later on I got to know to program this model need to choose older type for immo programming. But this was couple years ago, now it's fixed. But for PIN code you're right, it might struggle and cheap reader might work. That's the business... We need to have multiple tools and there is no rule that more expensive is always more reliable :>

[Jimmy07]

Thanks keygargoil

Yes car starts one key light on solid other key flashing. It’s the 8N vin so not 100% sure which system this is. Supervag went into auto detect so programmed remote perfect. Went to programming entered 2 keys run original and spare both working perfectly apart from bloody immo light.

[Jimmy07]

P1et thanks for reply.

I’ll do as suggested new I.D. virgin transponder in spare key and use SBB. Pin must be ok as both Supervag and MVP accepted it. Always frightened to use clones on VAG in case of corruption as have no back up files if goes belly up.

Supervag claim to do key learning on this model and year but never gave the option on home page only programming key and remote?

[rapidlocksmiths]

Thanks keygargoil

Yes car starts one key light on solid other key flashing. It’s the 8N vin so not 100% sure which system this is. Supervag went into auto detect so programmed remote perfect. Went to programming entered 2 keys run original and spare both working perfectly apart from bloody immo light.

Jimmy is this an Audi A4 or an Audi TT ? i ask as you say its an old " 8N " chassis , 8N chassis is an audi TT , a 2002 A4 would be an 8D , 8E or 8H chassis , 8N TT is a problematic beast on many machines.

as has been said , supervag is great on alot of applications but is sadly lacking on audi , so im not surprised supervag failed on an old audi , If an A4 then mvp is great on some and fails on others , so again not a complete surprise , but should code it fine with correct chips and good pin.

as has also been said , use correct chips , if you have accidently used cloning chips then this will be the issue , on a 2002 model you wont need canbus chips just standard T6 id48 will do the job as long as the pin code is good.

it is well worth having original vcds and for what it costs original vag tacho , both will pull you out of the brown stuff across the range on vag , especially vag tacho when dealing with beetles , one or other is advised and both if budget allows .

for all keys lost on precoded models you really need a vvdi2 or abrites.

[Jimmy07]

Thanks Rapid

Only looking at title now sorry everyone this is a 2002 Audi TT NOT an A4.

Are these a nightmare or will SBB still do it ?

Will I need to change chip on original key also Rapid ?

Will car start with clone chip if put into key by mistake?

Would a reset through battery help then start over with MVP ?

Sorry for all the questions but it’s a lonely place when issues arise 🤔

[comizelu]

Thanks Rapid

Only looking at title now sorry everyone this is a 2002 Audi TT NOT an A4.

Are these a nightmare or will SBB still do it ?

Will I need to change chip on original key also Rapid ?

Can you recommend a supplier for vag tachoYou can find the original one here http://maltchev.com/kiti/buy.htm

The clone you can find it on AliExpress and also on eBay for around £20.
I have the clone .I use it only for Audi TT 8N, beetles..

As rapid and all the others said for vag cars better if you have the vcds,the original one,not a clone.i had 3 clones and gave up.
£330 bought on eBay the original, from germany.saved me a few times..


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[Jimmy07]

Thanks for reply. I have a clone I bought way last year when I started researching all this. Not keen on plugging any clone into a VAG vehicle. Is vagtacho better than the Ross Tech or are they similar ?

Had a quick look there are a lot of different versions which is the best one to buy ?

[comizelu]

Thanks for reply. I have a clone I bought way last year when I started researching all this. Not keen on plugging any clone into a VAG vehicle. Is vagtacho better than the Ross Tech or are they similar ?

Had a quick look there are a lot of different versions which is the best one to buy ?Vagtacho retrieve pin code and program keys.

Vcds not able to give you pin code.
Can do everything else on car(diagnostic, programming keys,ECU,cluster ).

No need to worry using clones on these old cars.

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[Jimmy07]

Thanks for advice I’ll look into vagtacho to see what packages are available

[p1et]

Oh :D If Audi TT then with SBB you will have same issue. I use VAG Tacho 2.5 for pogramming them and work perfect. With MVP or SBB always immo light staying ON.

[Jimmy07]

Sorry P1et yes it’s a TT must have been auto spell on phone put this in title.

Will Ross Tech also do this ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

vast differences between TT and A4 systems .

TT has the capacity to be a proper pig with most programmers , its not uncommon for most to leave the light flashing and take a number of attempts to go in , though with good chips mvp will normally succeed . the best option is vag tacho , the clone should do this without issue but the genuine unit is far superior and worth the investment .

abrites has issues on these as often tries to add keys rather than delete and add which always leaves light flashing , though their are other ways with avdi to code key , on TT and beetle systems even avdi doesnt come close to vag tacho when coding these .

you shouldnt need battery reset , just use new T6 id48 chips and all should be good , if using mvp then it may take a few attempts to get it in and light off , if you have a late vag tacho clone although not ideal though this should put this one to bed once and for all . if one of the chips is an original chip that worked , then yes you should be able to code this one back without changing it . though if you had a working key you could have just cloned it and saved yourself the grief you are experiencing now, though treat it as a school day and learn from it.

you have kit that should put this to bed in mvp and vag tacho clone , you shouldnt need to mess around with battery reset , just good T6 id48 chips and good pin to complete job .

in addition to ensuring you have correct chips , when asking for help its crucial to get facts straight , as taking advice on things to try on the wrong system can cause more issues , the tt is a very different system to A4 and what you are experiencing is very common with most programmers , it was only the reference to 8N that made me question what exactly your working on .

yes ross tech will do these too but wont pull pin , thus vag tacho is a good tool to have in arsenal as will pull pin and code key

Hats off to supervag though if it managed to code in the remote control to an old TT , thats a feat in itself , most programmers fail on remote and you have to add remotes via the manual process , so if you managed to code remote via diag with supervag then thats a plus for supervag .

This does however pose another question , considering you think you may have accidently used a handy baby cloning chip rather than the correct T6 chip , which can cause such issues , is their a chance that you may have done the same thing with the skoda you left the light flashing on ?

welcome to our world , the life you have chosen , constant learning , constant headaches and head scratching and constant expense, i can assure you that your cheque book hasnt seen anything yet .

[Jimmy07]

Thanks for reply Rapid

Yes sorry for typo on title auto spell on phone 😬

Well spotted with chassis code !!

Yes was going well managed to pick a very old lock, decode and cut key, generate Keydiy remote, program remote and key. Then the dreaded light 💡

The remote went straight in with Supervag and worked within 10 seconds I programmed this separately so good to know for future reference.

I will put new transponder in and try the dreaded clone. The pin must be ok as both MVP and Supervag said correct pin. Read this with a $50 vag reader as Supervag and MVP couldn’t pull code.

Will order Vagtacho ( out comes the not so flexible friend yet again )

Is there a particular package to get Rapid as I see it’s a diagnostic tool without much mention of key programming?

Is there a procedure to do this car and is there a security lock out timer ?

With Supervag I observed a15 second counter when programming but no prompt on screen to take key out and insert 2nd key. I done this after count down but reading up on this I probably should have had both keys done within the 15 second window.

Amateur mistakes and inexperience. Did do quite a bit of research on this before starting job and got 90% done just fell on last hurdle. Have done a few newer VAG without issue I thought a 16 year old wouldn’t have proved to be problematic but this is the key game.........

Regarding the Skoda no the transponder was changed 3 times and was definitely a virgin I.D 48 not a clone had a friend who is experienced he also tried with Abrites and new transponder.

Didn’t know a handy baby clone transponder would have started car after programming but there it is all be it with immo light flashing

[rapidlocksmiths]

if the little orange vag pin reader , then its a decent tool as it is a clone of an old abrites stand alone tool , if yours isnt just a pin reader and is also a programmer then it may have coded the chip as well , that little orange tool is good on old audi and has completed job when other more expensive tools wouldnt even get comms , lost count on how many old A3 models its saved day on.
all machines have their fails thus the need for multiple options .
far better tools than you have will also suffer on these TT and beetle , so somewhere we have all been on these .

with vag tacho you buy the package you need , the basic package will do the old beetle and TT , but the more you have the more you can do , thats your decision based upon budget and needs.

just code keys , when cycling cycle each key for 2 seconds each , being too quick can cause issues too . with good chips and right tool job will be resolved very quickly .

[Jimmy07]

Hi Rapid

Yes it’s the little orange tool that does codes and key learning. Seen a video on YouTube it pulled pin on 2003 TT but wouldn’t program keys

[Jimmy07]

Would CK-100 do a 2002 TT see it’s on their support list ?

[rapidlocksmiths]

Most machines claim to do these just as most tools leave the immo light flashing and dont complete job properly , you can sometimes get lucky when you keep on trying multiple times with most tools .

you have vag tacho clone that should do this .

but why continue looking at clones like ck100 etc when you know vag tacho and VCDS will both do this and isnt expensive.

so with ck100 like most other tools , some it will do and some it will not , some will have had success and some will have failed with it as with mvp , abrites , supervag etc . if its a spare key just clone the chip and you dont have any issues.

[Jimmy07]

Hi Rapid

Bought these clones ages ago when I foolishly thought they would do most jobs. Was just looking through van and it’s there. I did take your advice and am building a collection of original tools. Vag tacho is next on the list but with it being Xmas delivery will be the New Year so just looking at what’s at hand to put this one to bed. I was just checking to see if anyone had success with the CK-100 but will use VCDS clone as you suggested.

Curiosity question more than anything

You have been very kind responding to all my amateur questions, I’m sure at times pretty boring as very basic questions are asked. Thanks for all the support as starting up is a lonely place full of questions with few answers being revealed.

Have a great Christmas 🎄

Thanks again

J

[rapidlocksmiths]

you said you had the vag tacho clone ? if so then use this and all should be well, i have original and works well on these . failing that its try with mvp , ck100 a number of times , eventually it should go in and extinguish the light .

[Jimmy07]

Hi Rapid

Have VAG Com the RT clone

Will try this if no luck CK100 then the token eater as last resort 😬