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motorin
12th December, 2021, 12:32 PM
Hello.
I have im508.
Mazda cx5-2018 USA market AKL- all ok
Subaru Forester 2019 USA market AKL- all ok
Subaru Outback 2020 USA market, have only one key. When try to add the key, IM508 dont see how many keys in the car, when try add the key, read the first key then don't see connection with ECU. Failed
Need solutions how can add the key. Have SSM4.

gttuning
13th December, 2021, 09:41 PM
Ford Ranger 2016 AKL alarm active..
New remote all good.[emoji106]

Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk

motorin
14th December, 2021, 12:46 AM
Read information for Subaru Outback 2020-2022.
https://subaru.oemdtc.com/1443/new-immobilizer-registration-procedures-2020-subaru-legacy-outback
One key and SSM4 I have, to add the next needs "authorisation key" 854169

okuser1
11th January, 2022, 11:00 PM
Hi
IM508 not connect on bench AKL
instrument cluster immo 4 golf mk6.
Thank you

mikajna
11th January, 2022, 11:23 PM
Maybe it can, but need to make service mode in eeprom, did you make that?

Antonio266
11th January, 2022, 11:26 PM
Hi
IM508 not connect on bench AKL
instrument cluster immo 4 golf mk6.
Thank you
Are you using the right pinout? Connected also the Coil and a working key?
If it's AKL you need to put Eeprom in Service Mode in order to read Immo Data..

Manta1600
11th January, 2022, 11:27 PM
Hi
IM508 not connect on bench AKL
instrument cluster immo 4 golf mk6.
Thank you

I've done few

Open the dash read the eeprom do service mode and program the key

ray-ray
12th January, 2022, 04:07 AM
Mazda 3 smart 2021 online programming pass..
Subaru Outback Smart 2019 programm pass…

key4man
12th January, 2022, 07:22 AM
kia xceed 2020 akl, Be aware that the vehicle with a chip 8A and need only an original key,

okuser1
12th January, 2022, 01:47 PM
Thank you for reply
I have read eproom
enter service.mode
write back eproom
Solder to instrument
When connect im508 to add key not connect
Whith other device I can read info of instrument

fred77
12th January, 2022, 09:55 PM
Freelander slot in type - pre-coded 1 ok 2nd and 3rd keys junk

Disco 4 smart - eeprom method data corrupt

Manta1600
12th January, 2022, 11:08 PM
Freelander slot in type - pre-coded 1 ok 2nd and 3rd keys junk

Disco 4 smart - eeprom method data corrupt

AKL or add key?

Few days ago I had Sport 2016 and was afride to use eeprom metod and I took out the KVM

Weasel3
12th January, 2022, 11:25 PM
Freelander slot in type - pre-coded 1 ok 2nd and 3rd keys junk

Disco 4 smart - eeprom method data corrupt

I think some some of the DK members.
Talked about Freelander, slot key.

And if one key, was OEM.
Then everyting OK.

But if two keys where CN keys.
And no OEM.
There made some mess, and trouble.

I think I read something like this, about a year or two ago.
But maybe I remember wrong.

Manta1600
13th January, 2022, 12:24 AM
I think some some of the DK members.
Talked about Freelander, slot key.

And if one key, was OEM.
Then everyting OK.

But if two keys where CN.
Keys and no OEM.
There made some mess, and trouble.

I think I read something like this, about a year or two ago.
But maybe I remember wrong.

I also read this but the problrm was that long time ago all CN keys was with the same ID and when program one is not possible to program the next one

But now I checked that all my CN slot keys for Freelander are with different ID

fred77
13th January, 2022, 03:08 AM
Thanks guys basically do 1 freelander key n ok
more then no no

autel eeprom method on disco 4 was real disappointment as SDD had updated kvm but not progragrammed key.

fcuk now till gets sdd working

vialli
13th January, 2022, 08:18 AM
I programmed 2 chinese remote key on a Freelander 2 from 2007 in the AKL situation a few months ago and it worked perfectly, with OBDSTAR
I programmed on bench first one pcf 7936(xt27 vvdi chip) and after by OBD the 2 chinese key with rechargable battery model
I left in the memory car only 2 remote keys, I erased the first key with pcf 7936

lion0304
13th January, 2022, 08:22 AM
I programmed 2 chinese remote key on a Freelander 2 from 2007 in the AKL situation a few months ago and it worked perfectly, with OBDSTAR
I programmed on bench first one pcf 7936(xt27 vvdi chip) and after by OBD the 2 chinese key with rechargable battery model
I left in the memory car only 2 remote keys, I erased the first key with pcf 7936

So Freelander 2 can take 2 Chinese after market key? All work?

Because i read before someone said only ONE after market can be in system.

vialli
13th January, 2022, 08:53 AM
It definitely worked for me with OBDSTAR, chinese keys with rechargable battery model

SadCriss
18th January, 2022, 01:38 AM
Did 2006 Mercedes ML all key lost worked good.

fred77
19th January, 2022, 08:41 PM
On that freelander i went back with AD Smart and guess what the same.

Gave up and Programmed orignak back in after replacing battery

KEYTH
20th January, 2022, 03:33 PM
Have not had any problems with Mercedes with this tool. Subaru I have done 2021 push to start Forester and Outback akl no problem!

Weasel3
20th January, 2022, 06:51 PM
Have not had any problems with Mercedes with this tool. Subaru I have done 2021 push to start Forester and Outback akl no problem!

There might be some differences between the US market.
And the global versions. Of cars - not tool.

If it is the global versions tested.
Then its quite good.
But the US market have other regulations, which makes it easier to do this.
At least, it used to be like this.
On many models. Toyota etc.

Matronix
23rd January, 2022, 08:58 PM
just a little take out of the big list of cars done lately - must say most go well, some only after a few retries or doing stuff just a little different opposed to the on screen directions and sometimes directions are just full wrong.

all ADD KEY
-Ford Focus 2016 keyless - quick job, longest takes security access
-BMW - all kinds and sorts, from CAS2, 3, 3+, 4, FEM etc... all ok, some need the bench work and always, ALWAYS use professional power stabiliser (NOT CHARGER!)
-Mercedes - last week alone several W639 and W609, W203 (2001) and W211 ... password within a few minutes , W203 had bad key so no pass reading but with IR addition XP400 could still do it on the car. Taking out EIS still easy if needed bench works.
-Mini Countryman - same as BMW, make SURE you use good stabiliser if doing OBD and have backup plan if it goes wrong
-Peugeot 207 - normaly doing PSA with Abrites but hey, wanted to give it a go with Autel and went in fine
-VW Touran 2015 - already MQB48, reads immo till 99% it seems, gives error... no good reason ('server down for 999 hours'), VVDI tells the truth --- JCI dash, no show ofcourse with these tools
-Renault Captur 2019 keyless - takes a while reading and writing D-Flash but works ok
-Renault Captur 2016 keyless - reads and writes D-Flash, pincode ok but fails after need to insert new blank card ('no communication') ... tried everything I could think of, ended up with other tool to finish the job
-Chevrolet Spark - again some mis info in the tool on procedure but it does work
-Hyundai i30 - ok
-Opel Astra J - ok
-Mitsubishi Grandis - ok, good info on the manual remote procedure also
-Alfa MiTo - read immo data, make dealer key, programmed ok
-Nissan Qashqai - several of these, but always keep an eye out on the warning for BCM risk versions (Autel will tell you) - walk away of those!
-Range Rover Evoque 2012 - longest time needed was booting up the tool ... easy
-Nissan NV200 - failed on keyless key addition

Jaguar XK (earliest 2005/2006 model with keyless smart key) - still ongoing , it's the one with the emergency slot in the center console so not the knob for automatic trans but a selector lever - still no tool that has done it so far, looking for solution on this still

jodge
24th January, 2022, 09:30 PM
2019 Leaf with 4A key, 2-3 min job including booting :)

edit:
The immo fault in the dash not important it will disappear after you starting the car with both keys (only one at the time in the car!!!!)

qwojtus
25th January, 2022, 09:03 AM
Jaguar XK (earliest 2005/2006 model with keyless smart key) - still ongoing , it's the one with the emergency slot in the center console so not the knob for automatic trans but a selector lever - still no tool that has done it so far, looking for solution on this still


What fob are you using?

Matronix
25th January, 2022, 08:26 PM
this one


863629

Thing is ... Autel tells me to put a key near the selector knob, but it has none, it has selector lever and then 'press lock' (like newer versions) of the new key. However, it does not reckognise it. Pushing button on learned key autel tells me 'this is not a new key' .... Abrites asks me to put the key in the emergency lock (center console) and then locks it there after which it asks to push the close button for 5 seconds... while the key is locked in the slot so that's a 100% no go. X-Tool could not do it either and now my new Londsdor came in at least have another option but would love to know how to do it with autel

qwojtus
25th January, 2022, 08:39 PM
this one


863629

Thing is ... Autel tells me to put a key near the selector knob, but it has none, it has selector lever and then 'press lock' (like newer versions) of the new key. However, it does not reckognise it. Pushing button on learned key autel tells me 'this is not a new key' .... Abrites asks me to put the key in the emergency lock (center console) and then locks it there after which it asks to push the close button for 5 seconds... while the key is locked in the slot so that's a 100% no go. X-Tool could not do it either and now my new Londsdor came in at least have another option but would love to know how to do it with autel

I know it is this type :)
XF key has FSK and wont work - china or whatever.
You need to use genuine C2P17153 ASK and programme with anything.

motorin
25th January, 2022, 08:55 PM
sorry write to SRS

Matronix
25th January, 2022, 09:44 PM
Another 'questionable' mission just came up.... a Fiat Croma, with the key in center console (like the Saab)... It programs in both BCM and Trecker (spelling that right?... the 'EIS' or what Fiat is may call that is). Autel has a fancy automated menu for it but does it actually work... has anybody seen it work, worked with it him/her self? It's a bit of a pain if it turns out it won't since other options are a bit sketchy on the info side (my Abrites has option to learn in both modules separatetly but also never used it for this car/key so how that will end is a mystery as well and if needed to pull modules and figure out what to dump and how to program it will mess up any schedule heavily with a customer that comes from quite far).

863651

Antonio266
26th January, 2022, 09:07 AM
Another 'questionable' mission just came up.... a Fiat Croma, with the key in center console (like the Saab)... It programs in both BCM and Trecker (spelling that right?... the 'EIS' or what Fiat is may call that is). Autel has a fancy automated menu for it but does it actually work... has anybody seen it work, worked with it him/her self? It's a bit of a pain if it turns out it won't since other options are a bit sketchy on the info side (my Abrites has option to learn in both modules separatetly but also never used it for this car/key so how that will end is a mystery as well and if needed to pull modules and figure out what to dump and how to program it will mess up any schedule heavily with a customer that comes from quite far).

863651
It's called TEG key reader, it's the same system of Alfa 159 and Brera, it's paired with BCM, so the keys are programmed in both modules and are precoded like all others FCA keys.
If you need a spare key then clone the transponder and put it in a Fiat Croma shell, otherwise TEG won't recognize it.
For the remote key you can't do it with Autel, at the moment only TMpro with TEG license can correctly precode the Remote, dismantling the TEG and reading Eeprom.

Weasel3
26th January, 2022, 09:47 AM
It's called TEG key reader, it's the same system of Alfa 159 and Brera, it's paired with BCM, so the keys are programmed in both modules and are precoded like all others FCA keys.
If you need a spare key clone the transponder and put it in a Foat Croma shell, otherwise TEG won't recognize it.
For the remote key you can't do it with Autel, at the moment only TMpro with TEG license can correctly precode the Remote, dismantling the TEG and reading Eeprom.

I experience precode standard 7936, when AKL. Trying to add key by OBD.
Did not recognize, key in the TEG module. Prepare with the VVDI2. Did not work.

You can read TEG module, and program key directly with TMpro. But difficult to remove module.
Or remove BSI, (also a little bit difficult). Read out info. Prepare key with TMpro.
Add by OBD. K518 with PIN. Then remote key OK. Programming OK. Confirmed.

If spare, it should have worked by OBD. According to their menu. K518.
But did not work, when trying.
Would not read the key, in the slot on the K518. Did not recognize. (OEM key). Then not possible to prepare key.

And also it was originally AKL. It would not solved it anyway.

But key are expensive, and these cars are old.
So not always worth the money, for the customer.

The only model, which is gone benefit from this is the Brera.
Which is probably, gone be a future classic collectors car.

Sports coupe 3.2 JTS- 4x4 - 260hp - V6 engine.
With an awesome sound, when pushing the pedal.

And also the Alfa Romeo Spider Cabrio. Built on the Brera chassi.

Matronix
26th January, 2022, 12:32 PM
It's add key, but if it is for sure Autel cannot do it, the KS518 fails on it and Abrites/Avdi (official license) fails on it, i will pass since I don't have the TMPro license for this activated (my TMPro2 is sitting in a box and the software is not even installed). The keys I can get are OEM but customer comes from far... not a good idea to start experimenting too much while he is in the 'waiting room'


This is just what makes it a risk to do - Autel says it supports it and checking the function it looks like it's all there (reading immo data, making dealer key, programming it, etc). Would love to give it a try just for the sake of it but not on a car from a customer far off who wishes for 2 new keys and will be whining when it cannot be done, better to leave it alone then. Maybe sometimes if it's one closer to home or if I spot one at one of my cartrader customers.

PABLOPOLAND
27th January, 2022, 09:06 PM
hi autel im508 renault AKL 4A card??

metalik
1st February, 2022, 12:12 PM
Hello someone test autel on A6c7 akl, in menu show its posibble by obd?

Wysłane z mojego LYA-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka

KUCIN
1st February, 2022, 07:25 PM
I have trouble with Ducato 2013. New key magnetimarelli- Readed PIN, make dealer key and code new key. Car start but remote is silent. I try other Delphi PCB and situation looks similar but remote working with changed keys position (locking=unlocking trunk etc).
Original key working fine. New key sending 434MHz.
I dont have any idea what is wrong.

Manta1600
1st February, 2022, 07:31 PM
I have trouble with Ducato 2013. New key magnetimarelli- Readed PIN, make dealer key and code new key. Car start but remote is silent. I try other Delphi PCB and situation looks similar but remote working with changed keys position (locking=unlocking trunk etc).
Original key working fine. New key sending 434MHz.
I dont have any idea what is wrong.

Just must learn what key on what model to use

Usually big Vans use Marelli cars Delphi - small vans Delphi - some Alphas Marelli

I this case you must use Marelli

KUCIN
1st February, 2022, 07:53 PM
Yes im using Marelli but remote TOTALY dont work. As i think precode (dealer key) is done ok but key isnt working.
Second try is the wrong as i know DELPHI) but that remote is "working".

Weasel3
1st February, 2022, 08:42 PM
Yes im using Marelli but remote TOTALY dont work. As i think precode (dealer key) is done ok but key isnt working.
Second try is the wrong as i know DELPHI) but that remote is "working".

I also have some deliveries, which does not work.
Either that, or the seller mixed the pcb's.
Deliver MM when ordering Delphi.
Key start car - remote don't work. But send frequency OK.
So not funny, when ordering quite many.

Sergey77kld
2nd February, 2022, 09:07 AM
I also have some deliveries, which does not work.
Either that, or the seller mixed the pcb's.
Deliver MM when ordering Delphi.
Key start car - remote don't work. But send frequency OK.
So not funny, when ordering quite many.

You can take a keydiy or xhorse key and make a copy of the remote through these devices. Works great.

Leeetoyo
2nd February, 2022, 09:13 AM
You can take a keydiy or xhorse key and make a copy of the remote through these devices. Works great.

Have had trouble with the transponder with copying remote and tp.

It will stop working after a few starts..

I found making dealer key is best method with correct key.

KUCIN
2nd February, 2022, 05:35 PM
You can take a keydiy or xhorse key and make a copy of the remote through these devices. Works great.


I must try zedbull- see that it support hitag2 remote, maybe its better way than only dealer key on autel :(
Thanks for reply and important info :)

Manta1600
2nd February, 2022, 09:20 PM
Hello someone test autel on A6c7 akl, in menu show its posibble by obd?

Wysłane z mojego LYA-L29 przy użyciu Tapatalka

Not possible AKL

motorin
3rd February, 2022, 12:23 AM
Hello
Im508 VW passat 2015 USA. can't do by obd, can't read pin

jodge
3rd February, 2022, 12:39 AM
Hello
Im508 VW passat 2015 USA. can't do by obd, can't read pin


If it's JC or virtual dash then forget it

okuser1
3rd February, 2022, 02:29 PM
Im508 today server mercedes is down

Manta1600
3rd February, 2022, 09:24 PM
If it's JC or virtual dash then forget it

In the USA there is a different immo sistem with blade that is possible to be programmed AKL by OBD

camelgd
4th February, 2022, 12:54 AM
Do you need to be online? Have not tried one that new yet.

lion0304
4th February, 2022, 01:56 AM
AKL Subaru XV 2016 smartkey. Emulator and add used smartkey liek a cake.

There are 2 models smartkey with the same casing. 14AHB (4D) and 14AHK (8A)

This one use 14AHB PG1: F1. Lost 2H to try with the 8A before find out that there are another smartkey.

ray-ray
4th February, 2022, 04:03 AM
There is 3 type of smart key (Protocol) 40bit. 80bit. And 128bit. Toyota Shares the Smart key with Subaru.. The Subaru BRZ pg4. 91 00 F3 F3 Toyota GR86 Pg.4 91 00 F4 F4 Both share the same Virgin Pg.6 00 80 00 00 (tel:00 80 00 00) Lonsdor make a Subaru Board Pg4. 91 00 F3 F3 (Tested) works, I’m working on getting the Toyota produce next. The list price for Toyota GR86 is $380.00 my cost $190.00 I hope it helps.

lion0304
4th February, 2022, 09:09 AM
There is 3 type of smart key (Protocol) 40bit. 80bit. And 128bit. Toyota Shares the Smart key with Subaru.. The Subaru BRZ pg4. 91 00 F3 F3 Toyota GR86 Pg.4 91 00 F4 F4 Both share the same Virgin Pg.6 00 80 00 00 (tel:00 80 00 00) Lonsdor make a Subaru Board Pg4. 91 00 F3 F3 (Tested) works, I’m working on getting the Toyota produce next. The list price for Toyota GR86 is $380.00 my cost $190.00 I hope it helps.

Yes I know now 3 types key for Subaru. Just it's the first time need work with 80bit version.

40bit is the rectangle smart key.

Keyim
4th February, 2022, 02:41 PM
Isn't it so stupid!
The quest for the lost vehicle. This was not an AKL thing, it was AVL (All Vehicle Lost :-).

Part 1.
First time usage of the IM508 tool in a vehicle. So first time you don't know what to expect either.
The vehicle was listed as doable, and key + remote ok to do and suported.
But tool could not read VIN, I had to manually enter it.
Tool said it didnt recon the VIN and no support.
No contact, car was not accessible. Tried several times, no luck.
Thought to go the manual route, select model etc. But tool showed no cars to select from, not a single model or make - nothing.


Part 2.
Thought that since the programing section cried about no language support, Why not set it to English, and give it a try.
The final solution came when I changed the language to English. Why have the language selection, when it does not works?
Now all the cars was listed. This became a different tool suddenly. Now it was easy to track down the right model etc.

Part 3.
Now VIN was accepted. Default pin ok. Diagnosed ok, no faults and all info was perfectly listed. Time to do the job.
How to program remotes was quite straight forward (except to know which darn flashing light to look for - Press and hold, wait 5 blinks...)
It was a bit fiddly to get the remotes to work. Either I had the new one working, or the old one.
But finally both was learned, phu.

Vehicle: Mitsubishi ASX 2011. New key with remote added.
(Silcas Smart Remote app (SSR) saying that Smart Pro (SSP) can't add this remote, but SSR can do the remote. Lucky me I don't have that money and probaly a better tool)

Alpaholic
12th February, 2022, 08:54 PM
Got on monday two cars AKL. Audi S4 and Audi A4, Year 2010 and 2013. Know sombody if itts possible with im508? I know ZecFull dont work. FVDI?

Manta1600
12th February, 2022, 09:01 PM
Got on monday two cars AKL. Audi S4 and Audi A4, Year 2010 and 2013. Know sombody if itts possible with im508? I know ZecFull dont work. FVDI?

2010 for sure but you need force ignition

2013 if is not crypted

Alpaholic
13th February, 2022, 07:21 PM
Thanks Manta, do you know a good way how to force ignition?


edit: saw it in past posts here. Obd2 bridge 1 and 16. Hope that this works.

lion0304
13th February, 2022, 11:36 PM
Thanks Manta, do you know a good way how to force ignition?


edit: saw it in past posts here. Obd2 bridge 1 and 16. Hope that this works.

Connect the fuse see picture for A6

Alpaholic
14th February, 2022, 04:58 AM
Thanks Lion, is it same for a6 and a4/s4? Is there a way to find out if its 434 or 868 before programming?

Manta1600
14th February, 2022, 10:02 AM
Thanks Lion, is it same for a6 and a4/s4? Is there a way to find out if its 434 or 868 before programming?

A4 must be different than A6 - 1 to 16 on OBD is OK - You need this only when read the immo after that must disconect it - also you need access to the boot to disconect the power of the BCM

frequency depend on the market if is EU must be 868 - if is wrong frequency the car will start but the reote will not work

Alpaholic
14th February, 2022, 04:07 PM
Sadly, A4 2013 dont work. Not possible to get in programming mode, no full immo reading.

Alpaholic
14th February, 2022, 05:14 PM
The S4 was from 2009, Remote works. car started.

Manta1600
14th February, 2022, 06:31 PM
Sadly, A4 2013 dont work. Not possible to get in programming mode, no full immo reading.

VVDI2 has solution for this but but still not checked

motorin
16th February, 2022, 11:14 AM
Hello.
Subaru Outback 2021 USA AKL can't do it. This car have another procedure to lean a key. Haven't menu Reset smart box. ((
I need reset Smart Key ECU (SMT Main ECU 88801AN000) + Steering Lock ECU. Have any body idea how can do it, not for free)
May be some other device may reset this unit? If not possible, I may read MCU and eprom from it, and get dump for clear.

KEYTH
18th February, 2022, 01:52 PM
I have done 3 push to start 21 outbacks here in US with 608. Yes you need internet and you will need to reset system 16mn.

motorin
22nd February, 2022, 11:00 AM
I haven't button reset smart box in menu for outback 20+

KEYTH
24th February, 2022, 02:05 PM
I hope you don't mean smart box programmer lol

key4man
24th February, 2022, 04:28 PM
Toyota corolla 2021 Europe 4a smart key fails to ad key by g box connecting to the Smart Key ECU

Manta1600
24th February, 2022, 11:37 PM
Toyota corolla 2021 Europe 4a smart key fails to ad key by g box connecting to the Smart Key ECU

You can't read the smart box or can't add the key?

key4man
25th February, 2022, 10:55 AM
I could not read using the autel cable, the sockets in the smart ecu are very delicate, and a small mistake in inserting the penis can do irreversible damage
I bought a new cable today with good connections, which will replace the autel cable

870988

KEYTH
25th February, 2022, 01:59 PM
Lol yeah if you stick that thing in wrong she might smack you lol. sorry had too!

golnikov
1st March, 2022, 01:33 AM
It's add key, but if it is for sure Autel cannot do it, the KS518 fails on it and Abrites/Avdi (official license) fails on it, i will pass since I don't have the TMPro license for this activated (my TMPro2 is sitting in a box and the software is not even installed). The keys I can get are OEM but customer comes from far... not a good idea to start experimenting too much while he is in the 'waiting room'


This is just what makes it a risk to do - Autel says it supports it and checking the function it looks like it's all there (reading immo data, making dealer key, programming it, etc). Would love to give it a try just for the sake of it but not on a car from a customer far off who wishes for 2 new keys and will be whining when it cannot be done, better to leave it alone then. Maybe sometimes if it's one closer to home or if I spot one at one of my cartrader customers.

Perhaps it is no longer relevant, I just saw the topic, but I did alfa romeo brera on such a key. Filmed TEG and wrote on dump 24С04 tango, only opened via fiat. After that, I turned on the ignition, then I started the key registration procedure using Multiecuscan, a pin code is not needed for this. The car started and the remote worked. The key was used, they made it new before I wrote it down my colleagues, with which tool I did not ask.

Manta1600
1st March, 2022, 01:41 AM
I could not read using the autel cable, the sockets in the smart ecu are very delicate, and a small mistake in inserting the penis can do irreversible damage
I bought a new cable today with good connections, which will replace the autel cable

870988

So finaly did you read the smart box?

Can you share the link for the cable

key4man
1st March, 2022, 07:25 AM
So finaly did you read the smart box?

Can you share the link for the cable
The cable works very well ,adding another key succeeded

Keyim
2nd March, 2022, 12:41 AM
@key4man


Can you share the link for the cable

Maybe he missed the ?

key4man
2nd March, 2022, 07:30 AM
@key4man



Maybe he missed the ?
https://www.keyshop.co.il/

KEYTH
4th March, 2022, 02:55 PM
15 VW Touareg add a key. everything goes fine. Key in slot will start the car, remote works fine except push to start is not working. Think it's the key? Thanks

KEYTH
5th March, 2022, 02:14 PM
twas the key.

darknezz19
20th March, 2022, 10:49 PM
Tried to read immo data obd on Maserati Granturismo 2008 spare key. There are two chip options, 3 ways to read in total, all failed unfortunately.

Anyone know of a tool besides londsor to just pull pin?

khalillm
30th March, 2022, 12:06 AM
im 608 pro on mercosur cars or psa cars, don´t work.. fiat toro only work diagnosis , pin code read on psa car example aircross c3 or other cars with delphi famar , don´t work for south america cars don´t work is a big swindle on psa, fiat , no code airbags new module.

motorin
30th March, 2022, 08:01 AM
I hope you don't mean smart box programmer lol
I mean that no menu reset smart box. For 2014-18 years it presents for 20+ year haven't

Matronix
30th March, 2022, 12:06 PM
Tried to read immo data obd on Maserati Granturismo 2008 spare key. There are two chip options, 3 ways to read in total, all failed unfortunately.

Anyone know of a tool besides londsor to just pull pin?

This is Fiat system? Just pin won't help you if you cannot make dealer key or not yet needed for this one? Have to do an AKL (waiting for a new BCM to arrive first) for a 2005 model

fred77
1st April, 2022, 12:18 AM
Skoda Octiva 2018 Johnson control dash no comms/not supported message

darknezz19
1st April, 2022, 01:09 AM
This is Fiat system? Just pin won't help you if you cannot make dealer key or not yet needed for this one? Have to do an AKL (waiting for a new BCM to arrive first) for a 2005 model

It was spare so was just going to clone original 48. Heard skp900 can read pin but didn't try when I was there.

fred77
27th April, 2022, 08:02 PM
Smart ForFour (aka Mit Colt) 2005 failed

AVDI under Mit works great on these

Matronix
29th April, 2022, 09:57 PM
Since my Abrites gave me the middle finger last few days on PSA group vehicles I tried IM608 again and have and behold - an older Peugeot 407 and a 2014 Citroen C3 worked faster then ever in pulling pin and programming with IM608. Previous frustrations always had me using Abrites but now that needs to be fixed to use it again (cannot even read modules, pull pin, anything) I took a shot again and very satisfied with the results.

kareszka
11th May, 2022, 06:05 PM
Hi
Opel Astra K 2018 , add Smart key Ok with IM508 .

fred77
11th May, 2022, 06:44 PM
Since my Abrites gave me the middle finger last few days on PSA group vehicles I tried IM608 again and have and behold - an older Peugeot 407 and a 2014 Citroen C3 worked faster then ever in pulling pin and programming with IM608. Previous frustrations always had me using Abrites but now that needs to be fixed to use it again (cannot even read modules, pull pin, anything) I took a shot again and very satisfied with the results.


abrites software update or faulty hardware?
Only ask cos won't update otherwise :)

I've got a new 2022 206 to do but not brave enough to try ... last f-up cost mega

darknezz19
12th May, 2022, 04:34 AM
Apparently Autel added the universal remote/key functions to 508/608 in latest update. That was pretty cool of them.

Matronix
12th May, 2022, 08:13 PM
abrites software update or faulty hardware?
Only ask cos won't update otherwise :)

I've got a new 2022 206 to do but not brave enough to try ... last f-up cost mega

They were worried K line might have gone rogue on my AVDI but tested afterwards on several cars and it works ok. Last week did a few other PSA and those went fine again... will send in reports but I don't know what happened (had several cars that failed, all PSA). Will test some more to see or it's ok now or that there is more obvious reason. Did update a while back but as I remember still did a few inc PSA afterwards

fred77
12th May, 2022, 11:42 PM
They were worried K line might have gone rogue on my AVDI but tested afterwards on several cars and it works ok. Last week did a few other PSA and those went fine again... will send in reports but I don't know what happened (had several cars that failed, all PSA). Will test some more to see or it's ok now or that there is more obvious reason. Did update a while back but as I remember still did a few inc PSA afterwards


Yeah always have couple fail on engine like 207 but just read via bcm.

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AVDI K-line CMOS multiplex chips works till round 15V
Kinda on the limit when engine running or battery backup. Other manufacturers use relays. So if was to go be one of those chips. VVDI and fly have same issue if you ever need to open the AVDI up

fred77
14th May, 2022, 05:08 AM
ANybody brave enough to test on lost keys new vararo/traffic !

Manta1600
14th May, 2022, 09:38 AM
ANybody brave enough to test on lost keys new vararo/traffic !

to do this someone no need to be brave just must be enough dumb

rapidlocksmiths
14th May, 2022, 11:57 AM
the fiat update was interesting , allowing you to unban a previously deleted key and reprogram it on fiat , alfa and abarth.

with regards akl on trafic and vivaro , i guess we will soon know via the groups as to how many succeed and how many dont , for now il stick to avdi and sp

p1et
14th May, 2022, 12:08 PM
with regards akl on trafic and vivaro , i guess we will soon know via the groups as to how many succeed and how many dont , for now il stick to avdi and sp

Smart Pro added a prompt screen about no resposibility of any software damage when doing those. Apparently there were some fails and it's not 100% safe as they claimed.

AVDI seems the best, it always saves backup. If I'd own SP and AVDI I would still choose avdi and 30 minutes wait.

Manta1600
14th May, 2022, 06:10 PM
the fiat update was interesting , allowing you to unban a previously deleted key and reprogram it on fiat , alfa and abarth.

with regards akl on trafic and vivaro , i guess we will soon know via the groups as to how many succeed and how many dont , for now il stick to avdi and sp

other day I saw in update this option to reprogram blacklisted keys on FIAT but on the menu I cant see any new option about this - so Im not sure that this work

fred77
14th May, 2022, 09:19 PM
Smart Pro added a prompt screen about no resposibility of any software damage when doing those. Apparently there were some fails and it's not 100% safe as they claimed.

AVDI seems the best, it always saves backup. If I'd own SP and AVDI I would still choose avdi and 30 minutes wait.


Interesting as i have AKL to do monday
Hopefully no SOS message posted by me later lol
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Used Autel on Mit L200 AKL today -no hassle. Found AVDI corrupted eeprom in past. no one tool is perfect

rapidlocksmiths
15th May, 2022, 12:11 AM
ive had the prompt screen once from SP, a few months back but im sure it said unknown software version on a late 2018 trafic , i hadnt seen this on any others , but ive used avdi on recent ones .

if this is now on every one of these then it suggests theres a potential issue

jodge
16th May, 2022, 09:06 PM
other day I saw in update this option to reprogram blacklisted keys on FIAT but on the menu I cant see any new option about this - so Im not sure that this work


if they are using the partial backup like in the 95640 marelli BSI then it's not too safe not just not working (4096 byte backup from a 8192 byte eeprom)

DenDroid
17th May, 2022, 12:04 PM
Until today can't be done Jeep Compass MP from 09/2020 (Can't read pin)

RFH PN 68494991AA

Antonio266
17th May, 2022, 12:41 PM
Until today can't be done Jeep Compass MP from 09/2020 (Can't read pin)

RFH PN 68494991AA
2020+ only AVDI

DenDroid
29th May, 2022, 09:10 PM
Today was tryed Renegade 07/2020 - fail :)

Brat
1st June, 2022, 07:36 PM
Someone know how i can re-download mercedes immo?
After last update im508 i thing i have corupted download and only mercedes not see xp400pro other menu xp400 work ok
Here video
https://youtu.be/RecsphA9LNI

madaxe
4th June, 2022, 12:45 AM
Someone know how i can re-download mercedes immo?
After last update im508 i thing i have corupted download and only mercedes not see xp400pro other menu xp400 work ok
Here video
https://youtu.be/RecsphA9LNI

Did you do backup like instructions say ?

trinicolin
4th June, 2022, 12:57 AM
I updated my IM508 and got the bidirectional function for the diagnostic.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

Brat
5th June, 2022, 12:50 PM
Did you do backup like instructions say ?

i make backup one month later,and i delete Scan folder,and paste old Scan folder from backup sd card,but i get again new update but not have mercedes for update,i thing only solution is erase complet tablet or waith new mercedes update from autel. I thing i have both mercedes corupted file in backap card and in im508.

electro10
17th June, 2022, 11:58 PM
About NISSAN Qasqhai and NISSAN Micra, IM608 can add keys?

Thank you

MBSERVICENORWAY
6th July, 2022, 11:25 PM
Hi.

Anyone know if its possible to do AKL by obd with apb112 on Toyots landcruiser lc150 13/14 with smartkey?

Or only write by dump?

fred77
7th July, 2022, 02:07 AM
Hi.

Anyone know if its possible to do AKL by obd with apb112 on Toyots landcruiser lc150 13/14 with smartkey?

Or only write by dump?

try n report

MBSERVICENORWAY
7th July, 2022, 11:46 AM
will go in 2 weeks to fix this. Will update how it goes :)

metallo
11th July, 2022, 09:13 AM
Hi! does anyone have problems with vw mqb? 3 cars i'm trying to make new keys and it's not working, this time a 2018 vw polo mqb...

mjoesen
11th July, 2022, 09:56 AM
Hi! does anyone have problems with vw mqb? 3 cars i'm trying to make new keys and it's not working, this time a 2018 vw polo mqb...

I have the same problem, Polo and Fabia MQB dont work with AVDI to. I have no sucess with those after VW server was closed.

p1et
11th July, 2022, 12:05 PM
Maybe you just had Johnson Controls cluster, so no tool can do it (maybe Barracuda but not sure)

askkey
11th July, 2022, 01:05 PM
Hi! does anyone have problems with vw mqb? 3 cars i'm trying to make new keys and it's not working, this time a 2018 vw polo mqb...

I had problems with MQB as well. 2018 Ateca, 2019 Crafter and 2018 Passat B8 as well. Defenitely VDD Continental cluster. Send files to autel, only got reply for Seat that the model is not supported.

metallo
11th July, 2022, 04:00 PM
even for me not Johnson control dash, i did 2 of the cars with zedfull succesfully reading pin and prog, not this vw polo though...

MBSERVICENORWAY
15th July, 2022, 07:55 AM
Did this one yesterday. 5 min job, read immo data. and use apb112 .

MBSERVICENORWAY
15th July, 2022, 07:55 AM
try n report
Did this one yesterday. 5 min job, read immo data. and use apb112 .

Matronix
17th July, 2022, 11:01 AM
Quite a few MQB lately and Autel most of the time says it's vdo and need to go into expert mode. If you do, it starts reading, or it's says waiting for security time ,e tc. If you connect VVDI it tells you it's Johnons so all time with the Autel was wasted ... they have to get their recognition of dash better I guess. Some others VDO but Autel still could not get it done and VVDI did so safe to say for MQB the Autel is not the best of choices right now... and ofcourse it's still not all peaches with the other tools but if it can be done, most of the time VVDI cuts it

Matronix
17th July, 2022, 11:09 AM
to do this someone no need to be brave just must be enough dumb

Think best would be to back up stuff first , can that be done by Avdi? And once the data is secured do a test wit Autel?

camelgd
17th July, 2022, 10:34 PM
...............

Fleshy1232
6th August, 2022, 10:27 PM
Someone use im 508 to add key (blade) on clio V 2020 ?

TERMINATOR1000
9th August, 2022, 06:41 PM
Someone use im 508 to add key (blade) on clio V 2020 ?

Only available for IM608 , need token for gateway unlock , but an easy cars for all tools !
Clio 5 & Captur 2 , New Megane , Arkana , New Talisman , zoé use same algorithm ....
Or direct plug on CAN H & CAN L

p1et
9th August, 2022, 07:25 PM
Dacia Sandero 2018, keyless card, anyone done/bricked this with im608? I think it need reflash BCM

jodge
9th August, 2022, 10:10 PM
2019 Fiat 500x
4A keyless w/o SGW pin reading failed

p1et
17th August, 2022, 10:07 PM
Question about new Autel universal keys:

Is it possible to generate MQB flip and keyless and program to the car?

camelgd
18th August, 2022, 11:57 PM
IM508 seems to have edge over APP on Ford with alarm activated... had 2 F150's that could not connect after double beep with APP, both solved with IM508. No keypad entry on two different 2017 F150 flip key. Anybody else having problems with Ford alarms?

ray-ray
21st August, 2022, 03:05 PM
The APP is being work on by the iQ team.. things will be changing for the better. Javier from diagspeed is with at carmax 3 days out of week.

obd.tech
24th August, 2022, 12:13 PM
What are the limitations if/when subscriptions expire on the IM508/IM608 please?

Do these tools need Internet access for any/all operations?
I'm trying to learn, Thanks!

motorin
3rd September, 2022, 09:40 AM
Lexus CT200h 2015 akl, very good, read immo and reset immo.
perfect.

mjoesen
8th September, 2022, 03:00 PM
Dodge Ram 1500 fobik key no keyless year 2021, faild to read pin (solved it with AVDI).

p1et
8th September, 2022, 04:55 PM
Dodge Ram 1500 fobik key no keyless year 2021, faild to read pin (solved it with AVDI).

You sure about production date? I though 2020+ are only keyless (not fobik)

mjoesen
8th September, 2022, 05:20 PM
Yes, I was surpriced to. Never seen a fobik on a year like this. Vin: 1C6RR7LTXMS523829

milane
3rd November, 2022, 08:00 AM
Hi please tell me if bmw cas4 works fine via OBD with IM608 ?

Manta1600
3rd November, 2022, 09:32 AM
Question about new Autel universal keys:

Is it possible to generate MQB flip and keyless and program to the car?

They have MQB models and must work but on this price not worth

I bought one to have in stock but looks and feels low quality

gttuning
3rd November, 2022, 09:33 PM
Hi please tell me if bmw cas4 works fine via OBD with IM608 ?Always buck up Cas ..if I was you..
All.it take for one to go bad and you will have nightmare if you have no other tools to fix it.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

milane
4th November, 2022, 07:26 AM
Always buck up Cas ..if I was you..
All.it take for one to go bad and you will have nightmare if you have no other tools to fix it.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

OK Thanks will do it. So first I should read and save dflash and pflash to be safe ?

gttuning
4th November, 2022, 08:50 PM
OK Thanks will do it. So first I should read and save dflash and pflash to be safe ?Yes.
You will spent bit more time on the job..but you be pissed of if one goes bad ..as its not easy fix with out proper tools..
So if you don't have programer that can read and save CAS on bmw cars buy one..

And im608 on cas4 sofar workes ok for me ..no hassle..


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Termo11
17th December, 2022, 02:58 AM
2019 jetta smart key id 47 all keys lost doesnt work with im608...
error when its trying to connect to server

seys "server under repair try after 999 hours"

also wasnt able to read sc from immo or ecu (med17.1)

rapidlocksmiths
17th December, 2022, 10:30 AM
2019 jetta smart key id 47 all keys lost doesnt work with im608...
error when its trying to connect to server

seys "server under repair try after 999 hours"

also wasnt able to read sc from immo or ecu (med17.1)

that is because just like other tools it cannot do these mqb keys all keys lost any more , ever since vag secured and blocked there servers , thus why you get this message , no one has been doing these all keys lost by obd with any tools for a long time . the only way this can be done with aftermarket tools is to read data from vehicle and use a 3rd party paid for service to send you synch files , and these services are not cheap. look up mqb car on facebook he can sort it for vvdi2 users and sometimes for autel users.

the other way is odis and online access plus key from dealer , or key from dealer and a pay as you go tool like osca .

but with im608 by obd you wont be doing this , 18 months to 2 years ago it was possible , but today not.

Andreastech81
31st December, 2022, 08:21 AM
Hello everyone ... and happy new year
my IM608 was almost full and out of free space

I decide to increase some free space at my IM608,

i add a SD 32GB card correct, the tool is see the card,

I saw some videos from AUTEL on how to switch some manufactores from tool's memory to SD card memory throuth "DATA MANAGER - Vehicle manager" path

but in my "DATA MANAGER" section there is no Vehicle manager ...
if any1 has done it, can share the path ?? or infos "how to add SD card and switch manufactores from hard disk memory to SD card memory" ??
Thanks

Manta1600
31st December, 2022, 01:04 PM
Why need more space I have more than 20gb still free

Yesterday I saw that 2 screws on the back side are missing - I checked the others also was loose so check your screws before lost them

pepi
6th January, 2023, 10:29 AM
Autel has restricted many of functions on IM608. I have used many functions on MB for coding and programming before which are disabled now.
Cant do programming of modules ,coding of seat mat ....
Now I dont know even if it differs IM608 and IM508 . Anual subscription is still the same around 800 usd which is pritty high comparing to the IM508.

Weasel3
6th January, 2023, 02:15 PM
Autel has restricted many of functions on IM608. I have used many functions on MB for coding and programming before which are disabled now.
Cant do programming of modules ,coding of seat mat ....
Now I dont know even if it differs IM608 and IM508 . Anual subscription is still the same around 800 usd which is pritty high comparing to the IM508.

You have active subscription ?

pepi
6th January, 2023, 04:50 PM
Yes of course , does they work at you ?

Weasel3
6th January, 2023, 05:24 PM
Yes of course , does they work at you ?

Not tested yet.
But I am quite astonished, that they remover earlier options.

Must be, that they want users.
To also invest, in the new equipment, they have recently released.
Like the 3000-4000USD tools.

If you wait, at the right moment.
You can get the subscription, at a price.
Close to 670USD, some part of the year.
When there is a sale.

I think you are able to keep, what you have left of days.
On the old subscription.

And add 365 days, on top of that.
But not verified.
(Would have been nice, if someone can verify this).


Or maybe just purchase, when it is cheap.
And have it ready.
When the subscription is finished.
And then just add, the new code.
To verify the extra 365 days.

pepi
7th January, 2023, 12:36 PM
They are removing this function to the diag tools so we have to purchase more tools .
It is not matter of anual subscription , I always pay it before date of expire.
I feel cheated by the way when they represented their tool to me and now....

vialli
7th January, 2023, 02:47 PM
Very frustrating, it's not just Autel that does this, i.e. they sell you a contract after which they change the rules during the game.
We must be united and have a reaction, a response for them

rapidlocksmiths
7th January, 2023, 04:24 PM
its something every chinese supplier has done over the years , nothing new , i wonder if they will remove key programming from the diag tools that have some of this too.

baddaren
17th January, 2023, 05:38 PM
Hello XYZ789, about CAS4 by OBD. If you can remove CAS. Much safer. If by OBD you must know how to fix flash if goes wrong. I would not risk it. I have done CAS4 ,add key throw OBD. But would not do it again. About your link, it is for VW not BMW. Regards J

I tried to help XYZ789, he removed post and I received 0 thanks. Thats why this seames like answer to nothing.

DaBotta
17th January, 2023, 06:38 PM
After you make it on OBD you start asking everywhere for help becasue the car is dead. Don't be lazy , and remove CAS3+ ISTAP and CAS4 ... It's a 5 minute job to remove them on BMW , and you avoid any other headaches

TMM
17th February, 2023, 07:03 AM
Hello! Is any way to transfer dumps to/from im508 by Wi-Fi? WebDAV/cloud/ftp?

Spiritech
17th February, 2023, 07:31 AM
Hello! Is any way to transfer dumps to/from im508 by Wi-Fi? WebDAV/cloud/ftp?

I haven't tried it but I would imagine it's possible. im508/608 are just Android tablets, you could just log in to google drive in your browser and you should be able to upload stuff from the user folders without too much drama. I might see if I can do it this weekend if I'm not too busy.

Treeoflife
20th February, 2023, 09:43 AM
Install file explorer app, connect to wifi and access via browser.

TMM
21st February, 2023, 06:29 AM
In preinstalled ES file manager can't access any cloud service or ftp connection, browser don't save files, may be blocked in OS?

mjoesen
21st February, 2023, 11:25 AM
In preinstalled ES file manager can't access any cloud service or ftp connection, browser don't save files, may be blocked in OS?

You could e-mail the files to you, handy if it just a few files but maybe not so hand if you would like to make a complete backup.

fuzz1
22nd March, 2023, 09:07 AM
Hi
Saw an updated version im 608 pro ii.



Anyone tried im608 pro ii?

p1et
20th July, 2023, 01:13 PM
BDC by OBD will be added soon, seems like they just copied Abrites software.

Get ready for silly prices for BDC keys...

Spiritech
20th July, 2023, 01:25 PM
BDC by OBD will be added soon, seems like they just copied Abrites software.

Get ready for silly prices for BDC keys...

You get silly prices no matter what tool supplier people are using or what method. Unfortunately a lot of people don't value their investment, their time in both learning and doing, or in holding adequate stock of quality keys. Just today I saw 7 keys from various makes & models I'd consider really, really poorly cut, and of course they were all clone chips. Including cases where I'd consider it absolutely incorrect to clone keys where a car has been stolen before. Doing the job 'properly' includes locking out lost or stolen keys, especially in stolen recovery jobs.

That said these guys will use bad keys and get discouraged when they're burning their margin in warranty calls, or at least I hope so.

p1et
20th July, 2023, 01:32 PM
Yes but BDC was something many people avoid, remove module, reading eep, reflashing it, it's a complex job. Most of people who doing keys have Autel now so they will see oh I can do F series BDC over OBD by doing mouse clicks, that surely will cut the prices.

I believe many people wh already do BDC keys, will still do it old fashion method just to be more safe but there are people who got no clue what they are dealing with, I see this everyday on facebook groups, people asking stilly questions 'can this be done by obd' and now it possible :)

World goes on, technology goes on, I hope if they cracked this to be done that way, they will crack how to do Audi MLB key programming

rapidlocksmiths
20th July, 2023, 03:58 PM
You get silly prices no matter what tool supplier people are using or what method. Unfortunately a lot of people don't value their investment, their time in both learning and doing, or in holding adequate stock of quality keys. Just today I saw 7 keys from various makes & models I'd consider really, really poorly cut, and of course they were all clone chips. Including cases where I'd consider it absolutely incorrect to clone keys where a car has been stolen before. Doing the job 'properly' includes locking out lost or stolen keys, especially in stolen recovery jobs.

That said these guys will use bad keys and get discouraged when they're burning their margin in warranty calls, or at least I hope so.

i dont know if same where you are , but the messers here dont worrry about warranty calls , they advertise online and on facebook their silly cheap rates using cheapest kit and cheapest keys , when someone calls back with a problem they block the number or say they will return and dont , when enough start comming on top they take down their ads , throw away the pay as you go sim card in their phone , replace with a new pay as you go sim and new number , put up a new advert new name new number and the person that did your job no longer exists , they have been doing this for some time now.
trading standards and powers that be cant find them , most jobs are cash no reciepts so also no evidence the job took place , go cheap they deserve the outcome.

the good old public , look for the cheapest then look for cheaper again if they pay cash , pat themselves on the back for a good price negotiation till it goes wrong then cry about getting scammed , the price now being far greater to fix and woe is them.

no sympathy for them anymore.

p1et
20th July, 2023, 04:14 PM
Yes in Poland it's the same, I have a friend in big city who everyday got customers who done something cheap elsewhere which not working correctly or fail to work shortly after done and the person who did it does not answer phone calls, the customer at last tells he doesnt want to even hear about that guy. But that's people fault, they dig deep in the advertisment websites instead of google. Sometimes I even really wonder how come they found that particular guy because if you put dow his phone number on google, 0 results.

rapidlocksmiths
20th July, 2023, 04:51 PM
Yes in Poland it's the same, I have a friend in big city who everyday got customers who done something cheap elsewhere which not working correctly or fail to work shortly after done and the person who did it does not answer phone calls, the customer at last tells he doesnt want to even hear about that guy. But that's people fault, they dig deep in the advertisment websites instead of google. Sometimes I even really wonder how come they found that particular guy because if you put dow his phone number on google, 0 results.

there favourite advertising area is facebook market place , ads all follow similar format , Alis car keys , bobs car keys etc , only ever a mobile phone number listed , always silly low prices , no address on ad just mobile number , ads are rarely there for more than 2 to 3 months.
one changed his name 3 times in a month as killed 3 cars doing akl on vag with fvdi , same old car turned up to all 3 jobs , different business names and numbers .

no taxes , easy money , no comebacks unless they get caught out or a clever customer takes photo of their vehicle and reg or of them , but most are too happy to have got a better price than that rip off locksmith or garage gave them to let common sense creep in.

if a dealership is x price , a locksmith cheaper but a facebook person dirt cheap and fraction of the other 2 , alarm bells should ring but they dont , then when too late they cry at what it will now cost to fix.

if a fraction of the price then a corner is being cut , commonly cheap china kit , cheap china keys , no knowledge of what they are doing , no insurances if worst happens , all obvious after it goes wrong , but common sense goes out of the window in search of cheap.

darknezz19
20th July, 2023, 09:01 PM
Apprently ABrites BDC OBD work has been reversed and new update coming to Autel.

Spiritech
21st July, 2023, 09:59 AM
i dont know if same where you are , but the messers here dont worrry about warranty calls , they advertise online and on facebook their silly cheap rates using cheapest kit and cheapest keys , when someone calls back with a problem they block the number or say they will return and dont , when enough start comming on top they take down their ads , throw away the pay as you go sim card in their phone , replace with a new pay as you go sim and new number , put up a new advert new name new number and the person that did your job no longer exists , they have been doing this for some time now.
trading standards and powers that be cant find them , most jobs are cash no reciepts so also no evidence the job took place , go cheap they deserve the outcome.

the good old public , look for the cheapest then look for cheaper again if they pay cash , pat themselves on the back for a good price negotiation till it goes wrong then cry about getting scammed , the price now being far greater to fix and woe is them.

no sympathy for them anymore.

I see these dudes here too, and they're one of the reasons I don't maintain a Facebook presence despite my ad guys telling me to do it all the time. The class of person advertising on Facebook and hence the class of customer is not the kind I wish to attract. That said I can't believe someone would charge money to do work and then not warranty it. I might be naïve in this though.

That said I'm probably guilty of at least one of the things you mentioned in your follow up post, I don't advertise an address, just my mobile number as I don't run a retail facility but I advertise as a professional locksmith not as a 'car key guy'.

I've still not seen stupid pricing on immo5/MQB locally since the dashboard reading solutions turned up in xhorse, so perhaps the change from Autel won't encourage the idiots to move in to BDC?

Anyway, I'll probably still do them by the old method. It works and the work the customer sees you do pulling the BDC, reading and writing etc justifies part of the cost now doesn't it?

Matronix
21st July, 2023, 12:01 PM
I would also rather see them investing time in 'a solution' for the likes of FBS4 then this obd solution but I do understand. Abrites has it (even though you need to pay quite a few bucks to get it) and now Autel feels they need to have it too. This is also why it is hard to put down money for new innovative things... as soon as you pay, somebody else copies it and takes it in the 'standard updates' for their tool. Nice, now you have to struggle to get your investment back since others will indeed drop the ball on value of the job. Not bad that things are made easy, but it is too cheap to get started on such things. How many people you see 'I just got started in this business' and then turns out only to have an Autel machine... you just started a hobby, not a profession!

rapidlocksmiths
21st July, 2023, 12:40 PM
I see these dudes here too, and they're one of the reasons I don't maintain a Facebook presence despite my ad guys telling me to do it all the time. The class of person advertising on Facebook and hence the class of customer is not the kind I wish to attract. That said I can't believe someone would charge money to do work and then not warranty it. I might be naïve in this though.

That said I'm probably guilty of at least one of the things you mentioned in your follow up post, I don't advertise an address, just my mobile number as I don't run a retail facility but I advertise as a professional locksmith not as a 'car key guy'.

I've still not seen stupid pricing on immo5/MQB locally since the dashboard reading solutions turned up in xhorse, so perhaps the change from Autel won't encourage the idiots to move in to BDC?

Anyway, I'll probably still do them by the old method. It works and the work the customer sees you do pulling the BDC, reading and writing etc justifies part of the cost now doesn't it?

oh theres plenty of people with no morals that happily charge for work and give no warranty , just as theres plenty that cause alot of expensive damage with no insurance that run away and do not fix what they damage.

plenty of locksmiths didnt have addresses on their ads and only cell phone numbers , there was no problem with this after all being mobile it makes sense , the trouble is the messers and the scammers that have grown significantly in number advertise this way making it harder to weed out the cream from the crap , they are a parasitical cancer on the trade .

they all copy each other , of course it will lead to low ball rates on these , but i suspect it will also lead to some bricked vehicles too . im lucky in the fact that bmw and mercedes are just a small part of my work , so wont have much of an impact , as i have abrites and autel i guess its good to have another back up.

p1et
21st July, 2023, 02:46 PM
but i suspect it will also lead to some bricked vehicles too .

Yes that's the thing which will discourage some of these guys but generally speaking, bricking cars by whoever is not a good thing for all of us.

Look, the customer have no clue what we do, he just thinks we connect the tool to OBD port and click 'program new key' and it's 100% safe, no any risk.

If customer have situation where his car stopps working and the guy who screwed have no idea how to repair, doesn't want to repair or whatever, it's unbelievable for customer. There are different people, but most will be very very angry and after such unpleasant situation. Not a big deal if something mess up and same day or next day is fixed but cusotmer without a car for couple of days or even weeks is something a reputable person want to avoid at all cost and is learning constantly about risks taken, how to minimalize them and fix if needed. But my main point is, most of people decide to make spare key for the first time in their life. If he goes to somebody and car got bricked, he will be dissapoint and will tell everyone of his friends to avoid locksmiths.

At least that is my point of view. They really think it's easy business for us and we just connect the tool and make couple clicks. Well, that's how the BDC will be done soon by most but I mean they (customer) have no clue that there is a risk involved so if something goes wrong, the customers opinion of every locksmith is wtf is this sh1t.

Sometimes there is risk, sometimes 0 risk. But if customer's BMW got bricked, he will tell everyone around what happened and to avoid, so even a guy with simpliest job ever for us and risk free Peugeot spare key will not come because he wll think its risky and better go to dealer.

SAMDoctor
24th July, 2023, 11:04 PM
Same style of FB Marketplace "locksmiths" around here. Had to fix a Vito with 9.999.999 miles on EIS, maybe he thought mileage would roll back to 0 after?

K1nd3r
9th October, 2023, 05:20 PM
help me please figure it out, Subaru H bladed akl is not supported by autel + apb112 stated on info from autel.com vehicle coverage information bar, but in youtube i saw that it is, so what`s true, and if i own im508, do i need xp400 or not, because apb112 connects to autel direct to pad/head

motorin
10th October, 2023, 10:54 AM
What year subaru?

Spiritech
10th October, 2023, 11:50 AM
Subaru H/DST128 is 2018+ bladed Outback in the USA and EU, here in Aus we got the updated BCM but kept the DST80 key. Unfortunately I've not seen a DST128 bladed Subaru thanks to them not being here in Australia.

If Autel is capable of reading the immo data from the BCM, you won't need XP400 as APB112 connects directly to the tablet.

K1nd3r
10th October, 2023, 06:50 PM
current Crosstrek 2021, but need information about all 2018+ bladed

Marmaj
11th October, 2023, 11:05 PM
I am happy owner IM608 pro, it's the best thing for keys and everyday cars diagnostics (keys beer money). I bought my 8n mobilecotunning , UK in 2021. Last year I move to Poland and is work great, buying subscriptions in AliExpress and knock out still works, (my supplier give me nearly twice price including Vat, I decided to take chance and purchase in china. (Please use only CC card) it's great chance to recover money when things go wrong, no guarantee you find right seller. I have have issues with tablet ( get stuck even factory reset didn't help) Autel realised dodgy os upgrade last December. Finally it's get sorted, but I was worried (subscriptions from china) no warranty. Always keep full back up of scan folder, specially when Autel releasing OS Upgrades... I have done a lot of keys, but sometimes won't get the pin from some old Opel/ vauxhalls so always need" spare" tool

I see issues above with cutting key's, my dolphine has issues with some Peugeot blades... Hu



One more thing, sometimes I have gap without subscriptions , and I notice that apart from Autel claims AkL bwm, Merc and some vag bcm2 won't working, much more things -some adaptations, all online calculations, and most important won't connect and diagnose few years old cars, vans. Some programs downloaded on demand from Autel serwer and better to have spare grant for subscriptions..

Marmaj
11th October, 2023, 11:20 PM
Autel vehicle coverage is sometimes misleading, displaying two records with denying itself across supported or not bench/obd, specially vag cars .. on last step- key learning when adding a key Cooked.
I have had that situation with Porsche 9PA, finally get it sorted , but mind blowed next to the customer. All swet.

pepi
16th November, 2024, 11:01 AM
Did any one try Dacia Duster 2022 is it working on add key ? I have done 2020 but dont know is it the same ?

Andreastech81
16th April, 2025, 04:34 PM
Hello, if any1 could help me plz ...
somehow i forgot IM608 ON for about 2-3 days in it's case and battery went flat ...
Now ... the problem start, Autel software was running and it was says "1% battery life" i connect the power charger.
after 45 min pass it was still on 1% , and it was showing that is "battery charging".
The power charger got a little hot as always, and i thout it was normal cuz battery is charging.

I thout "meybe i should restart the tablet" ... i restart it after 2 hour on charge, as it was still on 1%

after that, tablet is almost dead ... i remove battery and give it a charge with 3.8 volts for about 6 hours, still nothing ...
when i try to open it it says "empty battery" and shut off ... or when i got it on power charger it says "empty battery" for 3 second and next says battery charging.

any1 got any idea ???

Should i just replace battery ??

Andreastech81
16th April, 2025, 05:05 PM
case closed ... 20 sec holding start button and unit power up ... at has 18% battery life :)

I will recharge it now