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m9g
1st January, 2010, 09:23 AM
Hi

Wifes 306 meridian 2001 key battery got replaced and remote locking doesnt work, I followed instructions in autodata but didnt work, is there something else i should be doing? do i need some sort of software? I have an OBDII elm 327 connector if this helps.

I also had to change the dash so would like to change the milage of the replacement one back to what the car should be, is there a way of doing this aswell?

What is servicebox and pps?

Many thanks

M9G

busaman
1st January, 2010, 04:55 PM
put the key in the ignition turn on and press a button repeatingly if it doesnt resync then there is a problem with the fob.

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 12:20 AM
hmmmm thats what autodata said, have tried 3 fobs and have tested them all with an RF reciever and all transmitting fine.

M9G

Meat-Head
2nd January, 2010, 02:56 AM
in that case ir would suggest that you need pps2000 to code the keys to the little box who lives under the radio, as yours is a later one.

oh what version of 'au**o d**ta' (not alloud on this site) do you use, please? (cos think it's outta date!)

not sure if you can use pre-enjoyed keys or not, dude.

busaman
2nd January, 2010, 09:36 AM
ok does the car start what does the led on the dash do.

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 09:53 AM
in that case ir would suggest that you need pps2000 to code the keys to the little box who lives under the radio, as yours is a later one.

oh what version of 'au**o d**ta' (not alloud on this site) do you use, please? (cos think it's outta date!)

not sure if you can use pre-enjoyed keys or not, dude.

Ok, can pps2000 connect via the odbII connector? I have a cable already. If not what do i need?

Au**o d**ta belongs to someone I know who has his own garage business and i believe its 3.18 he has.

busaman - yeah car starts fine never knew there was an led on the dash, i've never found one. This is a later model 306 with the RF remote locking rather than the IR. if that makes a difference?

Regards

M9G

lupu_sandu
2nd January, 2010, 11:36 AM
For me works OK all autodata information regarding remote control programming. Try this file:

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 11:43 AM
Is this pdf file for IR or RF? on a 2001 model where should the LED be as I've never seen one or cant find one.

M9G

lupu_sandu
2nd January, 2010, 12:09 PM
Without led

busaman
2nd January, 2010, 01:49 PM
lupu_sando has just answered the question some have led some dont.

have you tried both ways of programming if it stil does not work turn the sidelamps on disconnect the battery for an hour than reconnect. try again.

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 01:53 PM
lupu_sando has just answered the question some have led some dont.

have you tried both ways of programming if it stil does not work turn the sidelamps on disconnect the battery for an hour than reconnect. try again.

Thanks, will try, thats an odd one - turn the sidelights on and disconnect the battery - you mean turn them on and leave them on while battery is disconnected?

Regards

M9G

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 01:55 PM
Without led

Thanks, thats the way a**o d**a says and the way i've been trying, thanks anyway

Regards

M9G

Meat-Head
2nd January, 2010, 03:58 PM
Think we are pi**ing in the wind here.

1) you have 'second hand' keys, that are not from your vechile
2) you need a pps2000 (or other) to code the keys in (need security code card)
3) the instrctions are for resync not programming.

You need to get the car connected to diagnostic epoitpment (new spelling). I'm in Mead-Headshire (between London and Scotland) Where are you?

busaman
2nd January, 2010, 04:08 PM
Think we are pi**ing in the wind here.

1) you have 'second hand' keys, that are not from your vechile
2) you need a pps2000 (or other) to code the keys in (need security code card)
3) the instrctions are for resync not programming.

You need to get the car connected to diagnostic epoitpment (new spelling). I'm in Mead-Headshire (between London and Scotland) Where are you?

meat-head i think they must be the right keys cos it runs but its srange why they wont resync the keys should not need programming if they are the ones for the car (from what he says i guess they are).

busaman
2nd January, 2010, 04:09 PM
m9g did you do a hard reset as i said.

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 05:34 PM
m9g did you do a hard reset as i said.


Hi, yep just tried it, turned sidelights on and disconnected battery, just tried both ways for with and without led and still nothing.

I have pps2000 software and I have an odbII cable which i believe is not compatible, what cable would i need to be able to do this or is there software i can use with my odbII cable?

The transponer is the correct one as the car starts fine

Any more ideas would be gratefully appreciated

Many thanks for all your help anyway

Regards

M9G

busaman
2nd January, 2010, 07:54 PM
ok the transponder is the chip in the key is the circiut board still the original.

and you are sure there is a signal from the remote.

Meat-Head
2nd January, 2010, 08:05 PM
meat-head i think they must be the right keys cos it runs but its srange why they wont resync the keys should not need programming if they are the ones for the car (from what he says i guess they are).

i'm not going to argue with you <nudge, nudge, wink wink, you know why>, but think you will find it was a transponder chip in the plastic housing, and i'm guessing the user is swapping circuit boards around, rather than undoing (and loosing) the TINY screw and yacking out the blade (which will be a non start).

Perhaps the user could do a youtube video of what you are doing
and somebody might spot your problem (pps 2000 or compatable programmer needed!)

m9g
2nd January, 2010, 11:54 PM
Hi

Yes transponder is in the key and is doing its job because the car starts, the car is 9 years old and has had previous owners so unsure if circuit board in the fob is original but I know it is transmitting a signal.

Regards

M9G

Meat-Head
3rd January, 2010, 12:36 AM
Hi

Yes transponder is in the key and is doing its job because the car starts, the car is 9 years old and has had previous owners so unsure if circuit board in the fob is original but I know it is transmitting a signal.


Going to have to say Rest my case, get the security code and take it so somebody with pps2000 or x431 etc to recode le clef (french for key)

http://www.blisstree.com/files/2009/04/pet-bed-suitcase.jpg

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 09:02 AM
Hi

Can I do this myself? I have pps2000, not sure what cable I would need, I have an elm327 cable which i use for diagnostics.

Is it quite easy to do with pps if i get the right cable? can you tell me a rough procedure for re-programming it?

Whats the security code? and where would i find it?

Regards

M9G

busaman
3rd January, 2010, 10:35 AM
ok so now we have the full story the circuit board could be a different frequency if you swapped it or for a different system alltogether you may have to order a new fob for the car then it will sync.

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 10:56 AM
Ok, even though i have tried three different fobs you think i might need to order another, why would that be?

M9G

busaman
3rd January, 2010, 11:17 AM
when you order a fob from pug is is matched to your vin. otherwise anyone could just go buy a plip and jump in someone elses car.

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 11:28 AM
ah right ok, any idea how much they cost? can i not programme with pps if i get the right cable? and what cable would i need?

Regards

M9G

Meat-Head
3rd January, 2010, 12:24 PM
start with upload your vin here http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f115/vin-pin-peugeot-59235/ then whilst you are waiting for a few days, a) ring your local locksmith, garages etc
and find somebody who has a diagnostic system that will talk to your car's alarm/immo box (under radio).

b) as asked before where are you? (i'm in Meat City, Mead-Headshire - between London and Scotland) Can do it for you if you are nearby.

c) If you have a local radio repair shop, ask them nicely if they could
(for a pig burger or chocolate etc) use their 'frequency counter'
and check the frequency of the remotes you have, check they are the same
OR

watch this and get the numbers of the crystal BEFORE this guy sands them off, (it might be round like a tetly teabag)

YouTube - Amazing Car Remote Mod!

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 01:10 PM
Hi

Here is a pic of the board in my fob, can i get any info from here to help?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q36/mattyninegrand/IMG_0132.jpg

M9G

Meat-Head
3rd January, 2010, 01:15 PM
Hi

Here is a pic of the board in my fob, can i get any info from here to help?



M9G

guessing the bit that is called epocs.... is a VCO - Voltage Controlled Osclator (new speling) or "VCO Block" check that all 3 remotes have this same number, dude.

Not in the mood for searching, data sheet just about to send a huge PM and lost it, bugger!

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 01:34 PM
Ok thanks

I actually only have the 1 fob, I bought 2 fobs a while back and non of them would work with my car so kept the original and sold the other 2 on.

Anyone have an idea of how much peugeot would charge to programme this?

To connect to the imobi*r does the cable need to be connected direct to the alarm box or does it connect via the odbII port on the car?

Regards

M9G

busaman
3rd January, 2010, 03:00 PM
the remote only does the locking part of your car not the immo. it all depends how you program it does the car have a bsi or comm2000 it could have either on that year. look at the fuseboard are there any relays(inside the car by your right knee.)

busaman
3rd January, 2010, 03:13 PM
Notes:

The Peugeot 306 had three phases:

1993 - Phase 1 - Identifiable by louvred front grille. Remote type is Infra red with an LED on the fob. Immobilser is via keypad inside vehicle (unless most basic model).

1997 (late) - Phase 2 - Identifiable by one piece grill and lower bumpers now body coloured. The remote type is infra red with an LED on the fob. The remote, although similar in operation to the phase 1, now contains a transponder chip for the immobiliser. The casing of the remote fob is also slightly thicker than the phase 1.
1999 - Phase 3 - Identifiable by completely colour coded bumpers. The remote type is now Radio Frequency (RF). There is no LED on the remote fob.
306 PLIP PROGRAMMING (For Infra Red Model Only*)

1. Turn the Ignition switch to the accessory position using the key without the remote plip attached.

2. Hold the Plip key close to the central locking receiver mounted in the roof console.

3. Press the large plip button and then the small plip button on the remote.

4. Repeat for second Plip key if required.

5. Turn the ignition OFF.

6. After 5 seconds the Plip should now operate.



306 PLIP RE-SYNCHING (For RF models only)

For late RF model keys if your remote should stop working (due to changing the battery or pressing the remote too many times out of range) you can try re-synchronising it by doing the following:

1.Switch off the ignition

2. Switch on the ignition

3. Immediately after switching on the ignition, press the large remote button

4. The remote should now be working again.

* Peugeot used the Infra Red (IR) Key system on the 306 between 1993 and 1999 (Phase 1 & 2). On the phase 3 model of the Peugeot 306 (1999/2000), a wireless RF system was introduced where the key does not need to be pointed at the receiver in the car. These later wireless remotes need to be programmed by a specialist.

The Infra Red remote is easily recognisable by the clear bulb near the key blade. There are two types of casing one slightly thicker (phase 2) than the other. The thicker phase 2 key remote houses a transponder chip as well.

** Note that the above procedure only programs/reprograms the remote part of the key, it will not reprogram the transponder in the key to disable the immobiliser. Phase 2 Peugeot 306s onwards a transponder system was introduced into the key.

Meat-Head
3rd January, 2010, 07:39 PM
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306 PLIP RE-SYNCHING (For RF models only)


For late RF model keys if your remote should stop working (due to changing the battery or pressing the remote too many times out of range) you can try re-synchronising it by doing the following:


1.Switch off the ignition


2. Switch on the ignition


3. Immediately after switching on the ignition, press the large remote button


4. The remote should now be working again.



a wireless RF system was introduced where the key does not need to be pointed at the receiver in the car. These later wireless remotes need to be programmed by a specialist.


If this don't work then:

1) you have got rid of the wrong remote
2) TIME TO GET WWW.YELL.COM (http://www.yell.com/) OUT AND LOOK FOR SOMEBODY WITH THE RELEVANT TOOL!
3) receiver board faulty or rf locked (do above instructions at work)
4) it's REALLY dropped outta programme (flat battery in former life)
5) Post your vin on above mentioned thread (if you didn't already)
6) TIME TO GET WWW.YELL.COM (http://www.YELL.COM) OUT AND LOOK FOR SOMEBODY WITH THE RELEVANT TOOL!*

* SUCH A GOOD POINT, IT HAD TO BE MENTIONED TWICE.

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 07:46 PM
It is the phase 3 model with the RF system, tried the above and still nothing, the other 2 fobs that i sold are the ones that i bought, so have the one i was given with the car, maybe it was wrong in the first place.

Yes there are relays.

I still like this idea of doing it myself with pps2000 if I knew what cable I can use and roughly how much they cost.

Many thanks for all your help

Regards

M9G

Meat-Head
3rd January, 2010, 07:52 PM
It is the phase 3 model with the RF system, tried the above and still nothing, the other 2 fobs that i sold are the ones that i bought, so have the one i was given with the car, maybe it was wrong in the first place.

Yes there are relays.

I still like this idea of doing it myself with pps2000 if I knew what cable I can use and roughly how much they cost.

Many thanks for all your help

Regards

M9G

look on ebay for pps200/lexia3 expect to pay ?200+ if the tax man sees it and it's from China you have 17.5% vat and import duty (no idea how much).

Up to you, got places to go, people to see, insults and rude comments to post, windows to lick, flying pigs that need feeding, a fish named Wanda to feed and still waiting for Quinn the Eskimo to get here.

TTFN

m9g
3rd January, 2010, 10:35 PM
Thanks guys for all your help, i think now for definate that somewhere in my system it is fubar

Cheers

M9G