Smart fortwo 2003 all key lost

[sdnatlst]

Hi all

Does ym15 lishi unlock and decode the smart fortwo?

[super jumbe]

Hi all

Does ym15 lishi unlock and decode the smart fortwo?

Not done that car, get code from 3d....

[sdnatlst]

Thanks. But I don't think smart can cut to code.

Insta doesn't hold info on smart blades I believe

[rapidlocksmiths]

good luck getting the code , even better luck getting a machine or code software to list the cuts from a code for you .

YM23 pick and decoder , its an 8 cut lock , the ym15 is for the 10 cut lock with different depth and spacing , so you need correct ym23 pick and decoder , you wont get it with ym15

the lishi YM23 picks and decodes this spot on , door boot and ignition , you will only have 7 wafers in the lock , the 8th cut is always a generic number 1 cut a simple key rule , some machines like ninja laser know that position 8 is a generic number 1 cut so only ask you to enter the cuts in positions 1 to 7 and machine adds the generic 8th position on its own.

[sdnatlst]

Thanks rapid will order ym23 lishi!

[rapidlocksmiths]

dead straight forward with the correct tool

[super jumbe]

Thanks. But I don't think smart can cut to code.

Insta doesn't hold info on smart blades I believe

Just checked on Instacde database all you need is the code.
Vehicle: MCC ForTwo
(Gen1) 1998 to 2006
YM31
Series: HY6001 - HY8130

[rapidlocksmiths]

YM31 is an old alfa romeo key , smart fourtwo is ym23

ym23 keyblank does have a 10 cut version using series HY6001 to HY8130 , but this is a 10 cut key for old models of mercedes that uses very different spacing to smart fourtwo

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[newone]

remove tail gate lock barrel five minutes job

[rapidlocksmiths]

ym23 lishi 2 minute job with the added bonus of being able to pick and decode door , ignition and boot locks when you hit one working on 2 keys

[rusevi91kk]

Hi! In Xhorse Xc Mini software Ym23 Smart is 10 cut!!! No 8 cut? Why? How can we enter the code?

[rapidlocksmiths]

rusevi91kk ,

you cant as the spacing will all be wrong , there is a 10 cut version of ym23 used on mercedes models 1977 to 1985 on ic card 74 and using series HY6001 to HY8130 , this wont work for smart car as uses very different spaceing , smart car is an 8 cut key on different spacing using ic card 1896 and using series MCC0001 to 1000 .

both very different

i suspect you could make your own card if not listed on your machine if your machine supports making your own custom card , or you could cut connected to instacode if your machine supports this , the series codes are no good to you for smart .

[rapidlocksmiths]

Just checked on Instacde database all you need is the code.
Vehicle: MCC ForTwo
(Gen1) 1998 to 2006
YM31
Series: HY6001 - HY8130

if you look a little closer , HY6001 to HY8130 on ic card 74 is not for the 8 cut smart fourtwo , this series is for a much older 10 cut key used on mercedes models 1977 to 1985 , as a 10 cut key it use very different spacing , so you will not cut an accurate key using this series for smart fourtwo . smart fourtwo uses ic card 1896 , using different space info , so of no help on smart .

so having the code still wont help you , just getting the code wont help unless you are working on an old mercedes 1977 to 1985 !

if your instacode lists this as a valid series for smart fourtwo then its incorrect and will lead you wrong , which isnt uncommon as instacode for many years listed smart fourtwo 2006 on as VA2 ABCDEF series on ic card 1049 , fourtwo never used this series , its only recently that they changed this to the correct series.

if wanting to do all keys lost on these old smart fourtwo models then you will need the lishi YM23 8 cut pick and decoder , or remove and strip locks to read cuts , and of course a machine that can cut the 8 cut key using ic card 1896

[sdnatlst]

what a nightmare this was, got the YM23 8 cut lishi, tried boot lock for half hour, no go,, when trying to reach wafer 7 and 8 on tension the pick wouldnt enter these, or get jammed if it did,

if i started with pick on 7 and 8, then tensioned, i could pick them and move back to the rest but couldnt get back to them.



anyway, got airbag out and got in drivers door, started to pick ignition when customer found key in his garage, haha. i took access charge and also made spare key so never happens again.

terrible terrible lock to try and pick, or at least this one was.. luckily i still got full pay on this job.

ignition was picking a bit better i must admit, but didnt get to finish.

[rapidlocksmiths]

depends on condition of locks , ive had these fight but most sail through .

for your info you will not find a wafer in position 8 , there isnt one , you will only find wafers in positions 1 to 7 , the generic 1 cut in 8th position has no wafer to interact with.

[sdnatlst]

Thanks rapid, strange without tension i had a good strong bounce on wafer 8,, but your right it was a 1 cut on the last cut from customers key!

[rapidlocksmiths]

i always pick door and ignition before trunk , always better locks , less crap gets in them. position 8 is always a 1 cut

[sdnatlst]

Smart don't have any door locks Unfortuantly :(

[rapidlocksmiths]

of course on the old fourtwo this is the case , the boot lock when turned and held should unlock central locking , fourtwo,fourfour etc blend into 1 as so rarely seen .

[szengen]

Smart don't have any door locks Unfortuantly :(

but it has windows and soft seals

[ghostrider72]

Hi guys
Having a trouble with smart 2002 locks
Decoded ignition
1 4 1 3 2 4 4
On Instacode and on my Miracle A9 this code doesn’t exist. According to Insta wafers are 5 to 8. So Im not sure what correct code should be in this case
Car is non runner atm so i have few days

Regards

[newone]

strip ignition,1 minute to do and check wafers

[rapidlocksmiths]

try 58576885 , you wont find a valid code on instacode as instacode doesnt have the code series for this .

if you have used a lishi with values 1234 on the grid then instacode lists the cuts as 5678 , so convert using following table;

1 = 5
2 = 6
3 = 7
4 = 8

position 8 is always a 1 cut so on instacode a 5 .

so

14132441 should cut as 58576885 , hopefully this will give you your correct key

[ghostrider72]

Thanks mate. That worked. Unlucky me - key turns in ignition fine but... now it wont turn back lol

[rapidlocksmiths]

thats painfull , lock out time me thinks

[ghostrider72]

Not that mate. I have barrel in my hand now. Still wont turn back

[Meat-Head]

Try tapping on the desk line a chocolate orange nothing to loose, its knackered now

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive not had this on smart , had similar on hyundai when the machine i had at the time cut the tip angle too steep and wafer got jammed behind the cut stopping extraction , i used to hand file the angle on these to make it less harsh , the machines i have now dont suffer the same and cut a better key.

if all else fails torch the car , it would be viewed as a mercy killing

[newone]

drill the pin remove spring and safe and it will be apart

[ghostrider72]

drill the pin remove spring and safe and it will be apart

You mean this pin on the back mate?
There is only one on that lock

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Regards

[newone]

yes,drill that pin and lock will be at pieces
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pay attention to drill the pin good,after that you press the release safe up and there will be a spring under it,do not use strong pressure pulling the release safe as there is danger to crack,it will take some time as it is your first time but the next will be very quick,i repair a lot of these after steal attempts

[mr501]

how do you remove the ignition barrel without a key???

[Meat-Head]

how do you remove the ignition barrel without a key???

Dunno, one would guess starting with pick it, but not the same way Michael Jackson would pick his nose.

[szengen]

Dunno, one would guess starting with pick it, but not the same way Michael Jackson would pick his nose.

fiat 10 minut

[Buddy41]

Getting some information from this group & trial & error ive now been able to cut a Silca YM23 key for a smart car 2001

I have taken the ignition lock apart to find the wafers stamped as follows.
65 67 65 66 65 66 68

So forget the first digit of which you now get 5 7 5 6 5 6 8

The YM23 file in Codemaster 5.56 uses numbers 1-4 so subtract 4 from each number mentioned so 5 7 5 6 5 6 8 becomes 1 3 1 2 1 2 4

The ignition lock has 8 wafer spaces BUT only 7 wafers are used.

I cut the key on my Miracle A5 & the type of key "YM 23" is attached

Many of you know that YM23 profile isnt shown in Instacode so here is my file to share for you.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GWXhy5We3aBgKjU1CrovNVtrmiDBIl43/view?usp=sharing

Hope this helps.

Simply paste this file into the Smart Car folder within Automobiles.
Then open Codemaster to see the file is now shown as YM23 OLD TYPE

[carsandkeys]

I have here the a trunk lock from smart fortwo all keyst lost. I decode with lishi YM23 and give me this 7 cuts 3343431 i change the cut to 7787875 and try find bitting in instacode without success i cut key but not luck with this. Is possible dissable trunk barrel for read wafers? How can extract this?

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[rapidlocksmiths]

i would revisit your decode to see if decode is wrong which is likely as not working.

decode in same direction as picked , very gently push along line till you touch the wafer then gently push past the spring to the stop position to get your reading .

be sure your machine is cutting the generic number 5 cut in position 8

instacode has alot of missing codes so isnt always much help on these

[Buddy41]

I think the wafers are marked like so.
65 66 etc
Can you post that ?

[carsandkeys]

yes, i read in same direction as pick. trunk lock barrel can be extract for read wafer?

[newone]

yes, i read in same direction as pick. trunk lock barrel can be extract for read wafer?
press here pin inside and pull cylider out

[rob h]

What i do when i pull the core:

Before i slide out the shims,
Insert a new blank key, and measure the height they stick out first.

If for some reason, a shim gets launched, or more then one falls out. You will still have pretty good idea, what goes where.
And it could give you the code, without pulling the shims. If measured correct.


You could insert a lishi, lift the shim so it alignes with the core. And write down this code.

[carsandkeys]

i try without success. Solved after 2º decode. 2 wafers change hight from 3 to 2.

[rapidlocksmiths]

as stated , it was the initial decode . always worth decoding a few times to be certain of decode.

[Mjolinor]

If you are close to Burnley I have a gearlever you can have with two keys (no electronics unless I can find some).

No matching tailgate lock though.

[ray-ray]

Here I did one the other day.

[qwojtus]

I did one smart for two 2001 last week. I could not decode properly as lack of knowladge and took me two times coming back to car. After reading this thread especially posts of rapidlocksmith I made it in 30 min. No need remove anything.